Interesting Rakshasa Issue

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#1

mhacdebhandia

Apr 21, 2008 1:06:46
This may not be particularly meaningful. We have almost no information on creature types in Fourth Edition, so what I'm about to say might not really mean all that much in the grand scheme of things, but . . .

. . . the Rakshasa Baron in the Dungeons of Dread miniatures set is listed on its roleplaying stat card as a Natural Humanoid - not an Outsider.

Eberron's rakshasas are, of course, probably its most prominent fiends. As I say, being a Natural Humanoid might not interfere with this - but the other fiend listed, the Ascendant Hellsword, is considered an Immortal Humanoid, along with the Angel of Valour and the Spectral Magelord.

It'll be interesting to see how this works out in Eberron. I don't doubt that Keith and co. will handle it perfectly well, of course.
#2

Moribund

Apr 21, 2008 17:40:56
"Immortal" indicates a creature's origin. Creatures with the Immortal super-type hail from the Astral Sea and the Dominions within.

An Immortal type would be incompatible with a creature native to the world in the new edition.

What remains to be seen is how Eberron will handle this. Eberron's planar cosmology doesn't fit the new edition very well. There is no separation between the Elemental Planes and the Outer Planes for instance. Creatures with the Elemental super-type live right along side creatures with the Immortal super-type in Eberron's cosmology making the type distinctions meaningless.

That said, Rakshasa are apparently still very good candidates for the Lords of Dust due to their disguise self abilities. So the cast doesn't need to change. Depending on how the super-types are integrated into the ruleset, I can see Eberron changing around who has what super-type, what those super-types mean, or even altering the list of super-types.
#3

grafster

Apr 21, 2008 21:55:49
Rakshasa were always native to Eberron.

That's their shitck. That's why they're the most numerous members of the Lords of Dust.

The -other- fiends are interlopers from the outer planes.
#4

Hellcow

Apr 22, 2008 11:32:02
And native outsiders weren't immortal as a rule in traditional D&D; it was "Eternal Evil" that specifically called out the fact that Eberron's rakshasa are immortal. So I don't expect the fundamental nature of Eberron's rakshasa to change because of the new wording of the base creature.
#5

mhacdebhandia

Apr 23, 2008 3:48:21
And native outsiders weren't immortal as a rule in traditional D&D; it was "Eternal Evil" that specifically called out the fact that Eberron's rakshasa are immortal. So I don't expect the fundamental nature of Eberron's rakshasa to change because of the new wording of the base creature.

Cool! I'm glad it's not going to be a problem.
#6

wvrenwulf

May 07, 2008 9:22:49
Rakshasa are from Indonisian myth. They've been in d&d since 1st edition. Origionally quoted as 'evil spirits'. They've continued to evolve as villians through the differant editions. Lawful Evil. I'd like to see if the alignment is set the same in 4th. Yes, they're popular in Ebberron. But they're in the Realms, too. Netharune Rakshasa are awesome assassins. By the appearance of the Rakshasa Assassin pic., I'd say they used the Netharune as the physical model. It will be interesting to see if the assassins can reverse their wrists to appear like a humans, as the Netharune can. The Rakshasa Baron resembles the 1st and second edition Raskhasa.
Rakshasa are primarily loners. And when in groups they are one male and multiple females (1st edition description). I wonder if the Barons are male and assassins female. I hope not. I have an NPC Netharune (assassin for 4th) that's a male.
I am not particullarly familiar with Eberron. I was never very interested in it. Warforged and Shifters did little to excite me. I like Changelings. Anyhow, I picked up The Heirs of Ash book one: Voyage of the Mourning Dawn to try to get into the setting. If Rakshasa have a big part in Eberron, that may help win my interest.;)
#7

mhacdebhandia

May 07, 2008 18:55:00
Rakshasa are from Indonisian myth.

Originally Indian myth, actually. They spread to south-east Asia because of Indian influence in the region.

They've been in d&d since 1st edition. Origionally quoted as 'evil spirits'.

The Dungeons & Dragons version was inspired by "Horror in the Heights", an episode of Kolchak: The Night Stalker which featured a rakshasa. The reason they were originally vulnerable only to blessed crossbow bolts in D&D was that the rakshasa in Kolchak was killed this way.

I am not particullarly familiar with Eberron. I was never very interested in it. Warforged and Shifters did little to excite me. I like Changelings. Anyhow, I picked up The Heirs of Ash book one: Voyage of the Mourning Dawn to try to get into the setting. If Rakshasa have a big part in Eberron, that may help win my interest.;)

That's a pretty good novel.

Rakshasa are very important to Eberron. They're the most numerous and organised group of fiends; they make up the bulk of the villainous Lords of Dust. Most of the traditional fiends like demons and devils exist largely on the planes; rakshasa are native to Eberron, and can be found across the world, scheming towards their evil ends.