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| #1CraggleRockJun 15, 2008 10:08:08 | When reading over the City of Towers sourcebook and coming to the section on the sewers a thought struck me: is Sharn intended to have indoor plumbing? Running water? Or do most people utilise a communal water pump, perhaps with a few private ones in the particularly more affluent residences? Or perhaps they have magical sources of water which they sluice out on to the streets when through with it? One thing I did notice was a seeming lack of bathrooms and toilets on any of the floorplans, narry even a guardarobe, suggesting either the usage of chamberpots or the usual oversight for such things in most RPG maps. :P No major reason, and I'm sure I can say that Sharn does have such facilities without drawing comment from my players should it become required, but I was interested as to whether or not the setting as written was intended to have such amenities. |
| #2octaviusiiiJun 15, 2008 10:25:45 | I think plumbing is intended, at least for the Skyway. As for the rest of it, I'd be willing to rule that there is plumbing of some kind, whether garderobes or actual running water. |
| #3naturaxJun 15, 2008 11:17:10 | In my games there is a network of tubes that runs down the towers and into the Lower City, the Cogs, or below, but no one on the upper levels really cares where it goes. |
| #4igotsmeakabobJun 15, 2008 11:30:19 | In my games there is a network of tubes that runs down the towers and into the Lower City, the Cogs, or below, but no one on the upper levels really cares where it goes. And somewhere a Golgothan is forming. |
| #5Arcane_GuyverJun 15, 2008 11:44:29 | I do believe plumbing is implied, as the intro adventure "The Forgotten Forge" takes place mostly in sewers beneath Sharn. |
| #6CraggleRockJun 15, 2008 11:54:56 | I do believe plumbing is implied, as the intro adventure "The Forgotten Forge" takes place mostly in sewers beneath Sharn. Yes, and there is a section in S:CoT that details the sewer system and its "inhabitants", but there could be a sewerage system that drains off all of the slops dumped on the roads through drains, rather than through any internal drains. That said, the sewer section does include how workers use purification stones to clean the water, which does suggest that it gets reused. Although that could just be used to re-feed communal water pumps and wells. |
| #7octaviusiiiJun 15, 2008 11:59:42 | In my games there is a network of tubes that runs down the towers and into the Lower City, the Cogs, or below, but no one on the upper levels really cares where it goes. [slashdotter] Well, let's hope that Ted ir'Stevens doesn't get it confused :D [/slashdotter] Seriously, though, if I had a game I think it'd be an interesting adventure hook for the Sharn Department of Public Works to have an ongoing project to map the sewers. The adventurers are hired to map out a particularly dangerous section. When complete, the whole thing will be modeled into a 3-D projection at City Hall. |
| #8NivedJun 15, 2008 12:19:22 | Remember that the presence of sewers does not equate to running water or indoor plumbing. While I'm certain that the higher more affluent districts have some sort of indoor plumbing (be it communal bath houses or actual private lavatories) I'd imagine that the lower districts subscribe to the "toss the bucket out the window let it wash drain down the gutter" approach. |
| #9tiwaztyrsfistJun 15, 2008 19:14:15 | [slashdotter] Beat me to it. I was going to make a comment about it being a series of tubes. Or possibly pondering Sharn having Internet... |
| #10GurvJun 15, 2008 19:43:46 | I recall this was brought up once before, and Keith answered. I don't remember exactly what he said, so don't quote me. I think he said that Sharn doesn't have a system of plumbing as you'd see in the real world. Instead, the rich and powerful inhabitants of the upper wards have things like magical fountains powered by magic akin to flasks of endless water. Imagine places where these fountains are allowed to run over, flowing like waterfalls down the sides of certain towers. At the highest points of the city, this would be carefully plotted to carry water where it is most useful. The further down you go, the less maintained the water course is, the dirtier the water becomes, and eventually it just becomes natural drainage to the sewers. Along the way, various methods are used to draw water off to be used by the inhabitants of the local towers. I imagine that the "purification stones" that have been mentioned are used simply because the water is unprotected for most of its journey. While it might be safe at first, who wants to drink from a free-flowing stream in a major city? |
| #11octaviusiiiJun 15, 2008 22:07:06 | Hmmm... constant springs of magically-created water sounds nice, but there is an issue with disposal, eventually. Hehe, I could imagine holes to other planes in some parts of the sewers. That would certainly be interesting... In one game we had a demi-plane called the Plane of Elemental Drinking Water. It functioned as a giant reservoir for a nearly-deceased race of Mist Elves, and the water elementals there have the power to slowly turn any impurity into fresh, clear drinking water. Perhaps the goblins discovered and linked into this plane as well. Any adventurers would need to watch their steps or risk drowning and being turned into drinking water. |
| #12CraggleRockJun 16, 2008 2:54:34 | In one game we had a demi-plane called the Plane of Elemental Drinking Water. It functioned as a giant reservoir for a nearly-deceased race of Mist Elves, and the water elementals there have the power to slowly turn any impurity into fresh, clear drinking water. Perhaps the goblins discovered and linked into this plane as well. Any adventurers would need to watch their steps or risk drowning and being turned into drinking water. Water way to go! :D I'll get my cloak... |
| #13sigma34561Jun 16, 2008 10:23:05 | In one game we had a demi-plane called the Plane of Elemental Drinking Water. It functioned as a giant reservoir for a nearly-deceased race of Mist Elves, and the water elementals there have the power to slowly turn any impurity into fresh, clear drinking water. Perhaps the goblins discovered and linked into this plane as well. Any adventurers would need to watch their steps or risk drowning and being turned into drinking water. The Potable Plane of Plumbing Potential |
| #14madhouseJun 16, 2008 15:30:11 | I never really thought that much about it, but its an interesting exercise, so here's what I came up with: I break it down into the three tiers of Sharn and how each handles the three types of water (clean , grey , and black ). Upper Sharn: Clean Water is produced from magical vessels integrated into the architecture (much like faucets). Grey Water drains to the sewers, where the aforementioned cleansing stones clean the water, which is used to replenish wells. Black Water is collected in personal receptacles (commodes) and drains to the sewers, where it eventually empties to the Dagger River. Some especially affluent denizens enjoy magical receptacles that destroy the waste entirely (similar to the old Bag of Devouring). Middle Sharn: Clean Water is produced from pumps that draw water from communal wells; however, unlike Lower Sharn, these pumps are integrated into the architecture of the dwellings (again, much like faucets) rather than being in a central location that one must walk to. Grey Water drains to the sewers, where the aforementioned cleansing stones clean the water, which is used to replenish Middle Sharn wells. Black Water is collected in personal receptacles (commodes) and drains to the sewers, where it eventually empties to the Dagger River. Less affluent inhabitants of Middle Sharn may not have access to a personal commode in their dwelling and must therefore use either chamber pots or communal latrines. Chamber pots are enchanted to reduce the smell and can be sealed to allow the pot to be transported to the nearest latrine for dumping. Lower Sharn: Clean Water is produced from centrally located pumps that draw water from communal wells. To get water, Lower Sharn inhabitants must walk to the pump and supply their own vessel to collect and carry the water they pump back to their dwelling. Grey Water is collected in vessels that are often emptied into the streets. Gutters carry the grey water to drains that empty into the sewers, where the cleansing stones do their work and return the water to the Lower Sharn wells. Black Water is collected in chamber pots or communal latrines. Chamber pots are not enchanted and although they are usually emptied into the latrines on a regular basis, some thoughtless folk often dump them into the gutters. :P This is just off the top of my head, of course. ![]() Cheers! |
| #15skyodinJun 16, 2008 16:25:56 | I would imagine that Sharn's water supply comes from massive public works projects that bring in water from miles away outside the city, then distribute it throughout the city, much like how ancient Rome got its water. The trick is that Sharn is tall, so it is necessary for there to be some kind of pumping to get water up into the higher levels. This is probably done with either magic or some kind of pumping system down in the Cogs. I imagine that each tower in Sharn has a water main of sorts that pumps water up to the top to be stored in a water tower, or feeds into private water lines and public fountains that can be found on many levels of the tower. Towers probably also have public latrines that feed into a central sewer line that goes back down the core of the tower. Obviously, if the tower's water main breaks, the entire tower loses its water supply. I looked at an essay on ancient Rome's water system to get some ideas, and I learned that people often stole water from the aqueducts and public lines for private use by siphoning it off with illegal pipes. Water officials had to keep busy to prevent this theft from shutting down the whole water supply. I can see this being a big problem in Sharn too. For that matter, I can see a group of PCs playing the parts of the underpaid, overworked officers who keep the water flowing in Sharn. |