Names of the Dragon Sovereigns

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#1

jedi123

Sep 09, 2009 14:03:53

I have a player who is  playing a Dragonborn Ranger, a bounty hunter from Q'barra, and wants to worship the dragon sovereigns. I can only find the name for Aureon's equivalent Oreolnix or however it goes. Have any others been released? Hes mostly interested in Balinor, Dol Arrah, and Dol Dorn. Any help would be great.

#2

haplo81

Sep 12, 2009 13:20:51


The draconic gods don't really necessarily line up precisely to the Host/Six.  Here's a list of the gods of Thir from the Grand History of Eberron.  You can decide which correspond to which Sovereign.


 


Aasterinian Invention and trade


Astilabor Wealth


Bahamut Protection and good fortune


Chronepsis Fate and prophecy


Falazure Death and decay


Garyx Chaos and destruction


Hlal Humor


Io Magic and knowledge


Lendys Justice and law


Tamara Life


Tiamat Greed and power

#3

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 12, 2009 13:30:49

I think Jedi's asking about the "bottom tier" of the Thir deities (i.e. Eberron/Khyber/Siberys > Bahamut & co > Dragon Sovereigns).


The only ones that have been named canonically (if I recall) are Aureon and The Mockery's analogs Ourelonastrix and Dulazurak (respectively), both named in Dragons of Eberron...

#4

jedi123

Sep 12, 2009 14:29:27

Veltharis is correct I'm not looking  for the dragon's gods but the ascendant dragons. ANd Vel thanks anyway, I was afraid of that. I guess I'll come up with some of my own then.

#5

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 12, 2009 14:54:42

I spotted the name "Dularanahk" dropped by Hellcow in this thread (second page), which, unless I'm mistaken, is meant to be Dol Arrah's contemporary...


It's not much, but one less to create whole cloth, and one of the names you were specifically looking for to boot.


It seems faily obvious that the modern Sovereigns' names are evolutions of the Draconic Sovereigns' names, so with a bit of tweaking one should be able to alter Balinor or Dol Dorn into something suitably draconic.


The Traveler and The Shadow present a problem though (as does The Overthrown), as their true names are unknown.

#6

jedi123

Sep 12, 2009 16:46:54

Still it's a great place to start, and one less I need right off the bat.

#7

ellorin

Sep 13, 2009 8:53:34

IIRC Dulazorak is the draconic name for Dol Azur a.k.a. the Mockery.

#8

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 13, 2009 13:48:36


IIRC Dulazorak is the draconic name for Dol Azur a.k.a. the Mockery.




Ehem...



I think Jedi's asking about the "bottom tier" of the Thir deities (i.e. Eberron/Khyber/Siberys > Bahamut & co > Dragon Sovereigns).


The only ones that have been named canonically (if I recall) are Aureon and The Mockery's analogs Ourelonastrix and Dulazurak (respectively), both named in Dragons of Eberron...




What do you know, I AM a ninja after all. Tongue out

#9

khift

Sep 13, 2009 19:19:20

I, too, would be very interested in a full list of the Dragon Sovereign names. Especially with Dragonborn traditionally worshipping them, right?


Would make for a decent Dragon article imo.

#10

ellorin

Sep 14, 2009 3:21:12



IIRC Dulazorak is the draconic name for Dol Azur a.k.a. the Mockery.




Ehem...



I think Jedi's asking about the "bottom tier" of the Thir deities (i.e. Eberron/Khyber/Siberys > Bahamut & co > Dragon Sovereigns).


The only ones that have been named canonically (if I recall) are Aureon and The Mockery's analogs Ourelonastrix and Dulazurak (respectively), both named in Dragons of Eberron...




What do you know, I AM a ninja after all.




Woe is me, for I have been ninja'd!
#11

Madfox11

Sep 14, 2009 4:20:13
I doubt there is such a list. Remember, the dragons belief that any dragon can replace* whatever dragon is currently fullfilling the position as one of the Sovereign Host deities. So there are more then likely more dragon names associated with the same Sovereign Host deities. A dragon would likely just use the human name when talking about the position in general, and only use the dragon names when talking about a specific individual, assuming they even have such a list.

* Assuming the dragon achieves certain goals.
#12

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 14, 2009 8:02:31

I doubt there is such a list. Remember, the dragons belief that any dragon can replace* whatever dragon is currently fullfilling the position as one of the Sovereign Host deities. So there are more then likely more dragon names associated with the same Sovereign Host deities. A dragon would likely just use the human name when talking about the position in general, and only use the dragon names when talking about a specific individual, assuming they even have such a list. * Assuming the dragon achieves certain goals.


I doubt they'd use the human names for the Sovereigns... More likely they'd either use the name of the Sovereign Archetype in question (Loredrake, Lightkeeper, Wyrm of War) or the name of the dragon(s) "ascended" to become the first Sovereign of that archetype.

After all, as with any Eberron religion, Thir is based on faith. While they certainly believe it can be done, there is no way to know which of those dragons who aspired to replace a Sovereign in life actually succeeded in the end.


 

#13

ChrisTheS

Sep 14, 2009 11:33:53

The Prophecy refers to the overthrown god as 'the First of Sixteen,' and if anyone reveres it that would probably be the name it goes by.


Also, by many accounts the Traveler was a changeling rather than a dragon, so whether it even had a name to begin with is debatable...

#14

jedi123

Sep 14, 2009 13:34:11

I hope some of this can be addressed somewhere

#15

bobiago

Sep 14, 2009 20:25:41

What's the source for the Overthrown?

#16

ChrisTheS

Sep 14, 2009 20:55:15

The Storm Dragon by James Wyatt - the dragon Vaskar believes that by fulfilling a particular instance of Prophecy he can ascend to the place formerly held by the First of Sixteen.

#17

jedi123

Sep 14, 2009 21:25:39

Yeah but I've never heard any other mention of him.

#18

ChrisTheS

Sep 14, 2009 22:39:47

That's because he (she? it? they?) didn't exist prior to that


I believe there's a brief mention in the Argonessen section of the ECG, but since I've only made a cursory examination of that book so far, I can't say for sure exactly where or what it says.

#19

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 14, 2009 22:43:20

Actually, the Overthrown is mentioned in a number of places, the 3.5e Player's Guide to Eberron in particular.

#20

JohnLynch

Sep 15, 2009 23:54:40

the ascendant dragons.

What do you mean by the ascendant dragons? Do you mean dragons who have gone on to become gods (at least, according to Draconic mythology)?
#21

jedi123

Sep 16, 2009 7:33:31


the ascendant dragons.

What do you mean by the ascendant dragons? Do you mean dragons who have gone on to become gods (at least, according to Draconic mythology)?



Yes. The dragon believe the gods of the Soveriegn Host are ascended dragon, or more acurately very powerful/successful dragons. They don't think their gods, IIRC, but more exemplars to live up to. But the dragonborn worship this version of the host as actual gods.

#22

JohnLynch

Sep 16, 2009 21:12:17

Yes. The dragon believe the gods of the Soveriegn Host are ascended dragon, or more acurately very powerful/successful dragons. They don't think their gods, IIRC, but more exemplars to live up to. But the dragonborn worship this version of the host as actual gods.

Aaah okay. Thanks. I was thinking they were more godlike (actual gods instead of ascended dragons) in the eye of the dragons.
#23

veltharis_ap_rylix

Sep 16, 2009 22:38:18


Yes. The dragon believe the gods of the Soveriegn Host are ascended dragon, or more acurately very powerful/successful dragons. They don't think their gods, IIRC, but more exemplars to live up to. But the dragonborn worship this version of the host as actual gods.

Aaah okay. Thanks. I was thinking they were more godlike (actual gods instead of ascended dragons) in the eye of the dragons.



They're more like saints for the dragons... Unquestionably divine in nature and beings that serve as gods for the lesser races (humans, dragonborn, elves, goblinoids, etc), as well as positions/roles some dragons might aspire to fill, but they are not the gods of the dragons.

Basically, the dragons believe their gods to be on an entirely different "level" than the gods of lesser races, in the same way the dragons consider themselves on an entirely different "level" than humans.

#24

jedi123

Sep 16, 2009 22:52:21


They're more like saints for the dragons... Unquestionably divine in nature and beings that serve as gods for the lesser races (humans, dragonborn, elves, goblinoids, etc), as well as positions/roles some dragons might aspire to fill, but they are not the gods of the dragons.


Basically, the dragons believe their gods to be on an entirely different "level" than the gods of lesser races, in the same way the dragons consider themselves on an entirely different "level" than humans.




Said much better than mine.

#25

ChrisTheS

Sep 17, 2009 17:41:42

The simile I always use is the Ascended from Stargate - formerly corporeal beings who now exist on a plane of pure thought, but now that they have phenomenal cosmic power the idea of actually using it within the material realm seems kind of pointless (except for the Six, who are more like the Ori, minus most of the tendencies for starting galaxy-spanning crusades).