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#1 darkrue Feb 25, 2011 14:59:58	So I'm returning to D&D after a very long time of not playing. The last time I played D&D was the year 3E came out. So, my friends who have never played decided they wanted to start playing now, and the ones that did play already wanted to do 4E. So, they all went out and got their 4E goodies, I brushed up on the new rules from PHB and DMG, and did a couple of sessions to teach them the game. Now that they've got the basic system down, they've decided they want to run campaigns in Eberron. From what I've been reading though, a lot of people aren't happy with the 4E changes to Eberron and suggest just using the 3.5E books and translating over to 4E rules. My question is: If we've never played Eberron before, should we just go with the new 4E campaign books? Or should we also get the older ones for story and what not? My old D&D group loves the Eberron world and it comes highly suggested to me to run campaigns in it, so I want to get whatever is needed to run the best Eberron campaign possible. Thanks :D
#2 D-Mar Feb 25, 2011 16:26:59	Since you are new you the world and it's a new campaign, why not just pick up seekers of the ashen crown?  That way you can learn the world as you go and not have to worry about trying to create an eberron campaign without knowing everything about the world.
#3 Ogiwan Feb 26, 2011 8:55:28	Wait, what? Honestly, I have never heard anyone not liking the 4e changes to Eberron (People were HATING on the changes to 4e Forgotten Realms; is that what you're thinking of?). Primairly because they didn't change much for 4e Eberron. The reason you hear us telling people to get the 3e Eberron books is because not everything made it into the 4e ECS, and there's an increadible amount of material in the 3e books that you can pick from. You'll do fine with just the 4e ECS, but if you get the 3e books, sure, you can't directly use the material, but by God, it'll give you a load of stuff to work with. Any idea what kind of campaign you want to run?
#4 phoenixrevival00 Feb 26, 2011 13:49:34	Well I'll be one to say that I didnt like the changes from 3.5 to 4e. It took some great material and ran it thru a bleach load. By the time it was over, 4e Eberron was left with little of the mechanical feats, prestiges and such it had before. Not to mention all the lore they left out, which you mentioned before. To Darkrue, The 3.5 books are great for lore/quest/adventure ideas but if your party wants to run in 4e you'll end up buying the books for that purpose alone. Nothing else will translate over unless you make them up yourself... then you'll deal with balancing.
#5 darkrue Feb 26, 2011 13:49:37	I'll most likely end up writing a campaign that focuses on the "noir" aspect of Eberron. I like political schemes and what not. As of right now though, we've all gone through the Eberron Player Guide, I've gone through the Campaign Guide, and I think we're going to dip our feet in by doing the short adventure at the back of the CG. Other things I was looking at as a start was Seekers of the Ashen Crown, and then using the Eberron conversion for Keep on the Shadowfell. Haven't looked at either in-depth, so I don't know if they would fit in with my plans.
#6 darkrue Feb 26, 2011 22:37:37	I was also thinking of doing the Forgotten Forge conversion, but every link I find is broken. How difficult is it to convert that adventure?
#7 Ogiwan Feb 28, 2011 8:32:59	Not especially. I did it, more or less, on the fly. Granted, its a short adventure, probably only 2-3 sessions worth, so I did the first encounter around the bridge, then ad-libbed in an encounter when they decided to go to the library rather than the goblin market. Then, I prepped; only thing I had to stat out was Sabre or whatever his name was.
#8 Javagamer Apr 10, 2011 12:37:05	I have a friend who gave me a bunch of 3E books about Eberron. I have the PG and ECG for 4e.  All I did was start using the some premade adventures from Wizards such as the Khyber Harvest and now we are doing Pyramid of Shadows. I add plot twists and secret meetings etc to it. Recently I added the spellplague to our world. My core group is jazzed up about it.
#9 jhanzur Apr 11, 2011 6:00:56	While the 4E books are definatly short on lore, they are more than enough to run the setting. If you can get your hands on 3/3.5 books, they're definatly worth the investment. Specifically, imo, Faiths of Eberron, Dragonmarked, and Forge of War. Those 3 are the ones I got the most use of, but Five Nations and Sharn, City of Towers are excellent as well.
#10 night_falcon_02 Apr 16, 2011 12:43:36	The 4E books are only short as per WoTC's 3 books per setting idea.  In 3.5 there are I think 1 dozen books for Eberron.  It's a ton of fluff and really pulls the setting together.  All of the fluff is still usable for ideas and setting up Ebberon as the setting didn't advance any except to add in the inclusions of the new 4E races. I am always curious about peoples own spins on the setting so keep us updated on how it goes.
#11 philipsnowman Jun 09, 2011 14:08:22	I would 100% recommend using the 4E Eberron books as your basis, and maybe  checking the Eberron Wiki if you need to expand the basic lore at all (it's pretty much all info from 3.5 but it doesn't hurt). If you need more lore, certainly check out the 3.5 books, but mainly I think you should concentrate on making stuff up to fit the campaign. Remember that the main question you should ask yourself when creating an Eberron campaign is "How am I going to destroy Eberron?"