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#1 greydin25 Nov 04, 2010 13:26:09	Ok now this may be a stupid question, but I have to ask. A friend of mine got me into Eberron almost two years ago and it has become my favorite. I have read both trilogies by Keith Baker (Awesome!), The Mark of Death series and The Blade of the Flame series. They were all extremely good in my opinion. I was going to start The Inquisitives next. What is the difference between The Inquisitives and The Lanternlight Files? And since I am here does anyone have a guess as to what Steel's powers are from the Thorn of Breland series? I figure he has detect magic, some kind of perception and vast knowledge.
#2 Ogiwan Nov 04, 2010 14:23:54	The Inquisitives series is a "series" of stand-alone books whose main characters are all inquisitives. The second book, Night of the Long Shadows, is also the first book in the Chronicals of Abraxis Wren. The Lanternlight Files is a series whose main character is widely hated, because he is very much an anti-hero, and an @$$hole. I plan on getting Death Comes Easy just to be a completest, but I'm far more interested in The Fading Dream, and I'll even give Waggoner another try with Lady Ruin.
#3 greydin25 Nov 04, 2010 18:35:33	Guess I'm glad I bought The Inquisitives first then. Actually I got Taint of the Black Brigade and when I found out it was the second book of the Chronicles of Abraxis Wren I figured I needed to read the first one. So i got the series thinking I needed to read them all. Thanks for the info.
#4 Hellcow Nov 04, 2010 22:38:43	@font-face { font-family: "Cambria"; }p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal { margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman"; }div.Section1 { page: Section1; } --> And since I am here does anyone have a guess as to what Steel's powers are from the Thorn of Breland series? I figure he has detect magic, some kind of perception and vast knowledge. Well, speaking to the powers he's displayed so far... Show - He can return after being thrown. - He can communicate telepathically with his holder. He's given no sign of being able to communicate verbally. - When unsheathed, he can see and hear his surroundings. If one goes by 3.5 intelligent magic item design, he likely has darkvision and blindsense. - He can read any language and read magic. - He can detect magic and is good at analyzing it (high Spellcraft/Arcana) - He can detect scrying. - He's generally got some good knowledge skills.
#5 greydin25 Nov 04, 2010 22:44:29	Basically a dagger that would be really handy. A rogue's dream weapon or at least it would be if I was playing a rogue.
#6 greydin25 Nov 04, 2010 22:49:05	I have to say I was in denial all the way until the last chapter of The Fading Dream about Thorn. I like how you did it though.
#7 Alas Nov 05, 2010 5:29:15	Are we allowed to discuss novels now? I had thought there was a forum-wide ban on that after past incidents. Granted, this thread is purely informative so far (and, as it happens, information I was curious about myself).
#8 Hellcow Nov 05, 2010 12:21:12	Are we allowed to discuss novels now? I had thought there was a forum-wide ban on that after past incidents. Granted, this thread is purely informative so far (and, as it happens, information I was curious about myself). My understanding is that the "no novels discussion" was started because some authors didn't like the criticism they were receiving. I've got no problem with criticism, so all I can say is that I won't complain, and personally I'd like to hear peoples' thoughts good or bad. So I'd say let's talk about them until someone says that ban is still in effect.
#9 Ashlock Nov 11, 2010 7:36:47	Authors have to be thick-skinned. So long as it's not rampant trolling going on, it works out. But yeah, people seem to pretty much speak their opinions about the novels here, and so far it's been pretty good. By the way, here's a comprehensive list of all the novels so far, for handy reference: worldsofdnd.wordpress.com/product-lists/...
#10 Madfox11 Nov 11, 2010 8:46:55	Also seems a bit odd since WotC created a Bookclub group and a forum with the express goal to discuss novels ;) Then again, they might prefer to have Eberron novel discussions over there instead of here.
#11 Hellcow Nov 11, 2010 21:35:42	Any Eberron-related posts? Post a link!
#12 Madfox11 Nov 12, 2010 6:22:06	Any Eberron-related posts? Post a link! community.wizards.com/bookclub No discussion going on currently about Eberron novels, but people can always start one ;)
#13 Magicstar1 Nov 12, 2010 6:25:06	community.wizards.com/bookclub
#14 accuser Nov 23, 2010 21:07:10	Just thought I'd say somewhere that I haven't read any D&D novels since the 90s, but in the last couple weeks have bought and read three Eberron novels. And I plan to get more. Just a heads up to WotC staff - this isn't something that will transfer to other settings. I'm invested in reading about Eberron. It's the kind of world that fosters stories that interest me now.
#15 hanzo187 Dec 01, 2010 14:46:07	So far, I've read Blade of the Flame (twice), Legacy of Dhakaan (twice), and am currently on The Fading Dream. Of the three, Legacy of Dhakaan is my fave by a gogoplex. On the other hand, Mr. Baker, I will say Thorn of Breland is interesting. Queen of Stone was the best so far, but I think your biggest flaw was the fact you wrapped up this one and Son of Khyber way too fast. The last 50 or 60 pages of each book felt kind of rushed, but the books in themselves are far from bad. It just seems you have trouble with the third act, is all, but I'm finding this mystery between Thorn and Sarmondelaryx interesting, and I've heard that aspect gets some closure, so I'm looking forward to the end of The fading Dream.
#16 Ogiwan Dec 01, 2010 16:59:50	Read Heirs of Ash. Its my personal favorite, and while the Binding Stone and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies are both fantastic....Heirs of Ash is one of my favorite trilogies ever.
#17 Hellcow Dec 01, 2010 17:42:26	Queen of Stone was the best so far, but I think your biggest flaw was the fact you wrapped up this one and Son of Khyber way too fast. The last 50 or 60 pages of each book felt kind of rushed, but the books in themselves are far from bad. It just seems you have trouble with the third act, is all... I agree, and it's something I'll be working to improve in the future. Thanks for the thoughts.
#18 Dargurd Dec 01, 2010 23:15:46	Read Heirs of Ash. Its my personal favorite, and while the Binding Stone and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies are both fantastic....Heirs of Ash is one of my favorite trilogies ever. Legacy of Dhakaan is quite possibly the best series of novels ive read in the 30 years ive been gaming. It is simply awesome. Incredible storyline, beautifully detailed culture (in terms of goblinoids), great characters and a roller coaster of a storyline.
#19 Madfox11 Dec 02, 2010 3:55:06	For me The Dragon Below is my favorite series of Eberron novels. I am not sure why, probably a sucker for more classical fantasy story. As a DM and fan of Eberron I like the Legacy of Dhakaan, but storywise it did not draw me in as much as The Dragon Below.
#20 AvonRekaes Dec 05, 2010 12:08:42	I've read, lets see.... The Dreaming Dark Trilogy (Great fun. I thought it was an incredible first-showing for a beginning novelist, Keith. The cliffhangers were a needling point, but I understand why you did them. And as bad as the one at the end of book 2 was, it was okay because we at least got a book 3 to see the resolution of it.) The Thorn of Breland series (I really like Thorn and I like how she is developing as a character. I'm liking the episodic nature of the series. I do think the later two books could benefit from fifty or so more pages. So yeah, my only complaint about this series is I WISH THERE WAS MORE OF IT. hint, hint, WotC) The Dragon Below (Most likely my favorite DnD series ever. Probably because Kalashtar and Daelkyr are my two favorite parts of the setting, so this trilogy seemed tailor-made for me.) Legacy of Dhakaan (Another excellent showing by Don. The subject matter wasn't one of immediate interest to me like his first trilogy, but the level and depth into which he painted Darguun culture was amazing. I feel like this trilogy has lifted the veil from Darguun to me as a Dungeon Master, and now I have all sorts of adventure hooks and campaign ideas about the region.) Heirs of Ash (A really enjoyable read.) The Inquisitives (Out of the four, Night of Long Shadows and Darkwood Mask were my favorites. I liked Legacy of Wolves and Bound by Iron, but not nearly as much.) Taint of the Black Brigade (I cannot get enough of Abraxis Wren. Probably my favorite Eberron novel character. I want more! MORE!) The Orb of Xoriat (Didn't really enjoy this one, although I read it all the way through because of my interest in the Realm of Madness.) Chronicles of the Last War (Neat collection of short stories, though I didn't like the direction some of them went.) The Draconic Prophecies (in hardcover) (This was a funny trilogy for me. I didn't like Gavin too much. For me the draw was the side-arc of the changeling's development. It was an enjoyable read, though I'm not sure it warranted being the first hardcover series for Eberron. I really rather think they should go back and make The Dragon Below and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies in hardcover editions, and promote them as the "flagship" novels of Eberron. They get all the details right and go into great depth about the setting, and are extremely well-written.) The Blade of the Flame (Uhg. This series. Low point of Eberron novels for me. I only completely read the first book, and it seemed to me like it fell face-first into every terrible, overused writing trope. I only read the first couple of chapters of the second book before stopping and have yet to pick it up since. Of all the people to let write the diminishing number of new Eberron books, I honestly can't figure why Mr. Wagoner is one of them. Apologies to Mr. Wagoner, but when you introduce someone as a badass, try to actually remember they are a badass, okay? I don't need your Faux Action Girls hamming up my Eberron reading.)

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greydin25

Nov 04, 2010 13:26:09

Ok now this may be a stupid question, but I have to ask. A friend of mine got me into Eberron almost two years ago and it has become my favorite. I have read both trilogies by Keith Baker (Awesome!), The Mark of Death series and The Blade of the Flame series. They were all extremely good in my opinion. I was going to start The Inquisitives next. What is the difference between The Inquisitives and The Lanternlight Files?

And since I am here does anyone have a guess as to what Steel's powers are from the Thorn of Breland series? I figure he has detect magic, some kind of perception and vast knowledge.

Ogiwan

Nov 04, 2010 14:23:54

The Inquisitives series is a "series" of stand-alone books whose main characters are all inquisitives. The second book, Night of the Long Shadows, is also the first book in the Chronicals of Abraxis Wren.

The Lanternlight Files is a series whose main character is widely hated, because he is very much an anti-hero, and an @$$hole. I plan on getting Death Comes Easy just to be a completest, but I'm far more interested in The Fading Dream, and I'll even give Waggoner another try with Lady Ruin.

greydin25

Nov 04, 2010 18:35:33

Guess I'm glad I bought The Inquisitives first then. Actually I got Taint of the Black Brigade and when I found out it was the second book of the Chronicles of Abraxis Wren I figured I needed to read the first one. So i got the series thinking I needed to read them all.

Thanks for the info.

Hellcow

Nov 04, 2010 22:38:43

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And since I am here does anyone have a guess as to what Steel's powers are from the Thorn of Breland series? I figure he has detect magic, some kind of perception and vast knowledge.

Well, speaking to the powers he's displayed so far...

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- He can return after being thrown.
- He can communicate telepathically with his holder. He's given no sign of being able to communicate verbally.
- When unsheathed, he can see and hear his surroundings. If one goes by 3.5 intelligent magic item design, he likely has darkvision and blindsense.
- He can read any language and read magic.
- He can detect magic and is good at analyzing it (high Spellcraft/Arcana)
- He can detect scrying.
- He's generally got some good knowledge skills.

greydin25

Nov 04, 2010 22:44:29

Basically a dagger that would be really handy. A rogue's dream weapon or at least it would be if I was playing a rogue.

greydin25

Nov 04, 2010 22:49:05

I have to say I was in denial all the way until the last chapter of The Fading Dream about Thorn. I like how you did it though.

Alas

Nov 05, 2010 5:29:15

Are we allowed to discuss novels now? I had thought there was a forum-wide ban on that after past incidents. Granted, this thread is purely informative so far (and, as it happens, information I was curious about myself).

Hellcow

Nov 05, 2010 12:21:12

Are we allowed to discuss novels now? I had thought there was a forum-wide ban on that after past incidents. Granted, this thread is purely informative so far (and, as it happens, information I was curious about myself).

My understanding is that the "no novels discussion" was started because some authors didn't like the criticism they were receiving. I've got no problem with criticism, so all I can say is that *I* won't complain, and personally I'd like to hear peoples' thoughts good or bad. So I'd say let's talk about them until someone says that ban is still in effect.

Ashlock

Nov 11, 2010 7:36:47

Authors have to be thick-skinned. So long as it's not rampant trolling going on, it works out. But yeah, people seem to pretty much speak their opinions about the novels here, and so far it's been pretty good.

By the way, here's a comprehensive list of all the novels so far, for handy reference:

worldsofdnd.wordpress.com/product-lists/...

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Madfox11

Nov 11, 2010 8:46:55

Also seems a bit odd since WotC created a Bookclub group and a forum with the express goal to discuss novels ;) Then again, they might prefer to have Eberron novel discussions over there instead of here.

#11

Hellcow

Nov 11, 2010 21:35:42

Any Eberron-related posts? Post a link!

#12

Madfox11

Nov 12, 2010 6:22:06

Any Eberron-related posts? Post a link!

community.wizards.com/bookclub

No discussion going on currently about Eberron novels, but people can always start one ;)

#13

Magicstar1

Nov 12, 2010 6:25:06

community.wizards.com/bookclub

#14

accuser

Nov 23, 2010 21:07:10

Just thought I'd say somewhere that I haven't read any D&D novels since the 90s, but in the last couple weeks have bought and read three Eberron novels. And I plan to get more.

Just a heads up to WotC staff - this isn't something that will transfer to other settings. I'm invested in reading about Eberron. It's the kind of world that fosters stories that interest me now.

#15

hanzo187

Dec 01, 2010 14:46:07

So far, I've read Blade of the Flame (twice), Legacy of Dhakaan (twice), and am currently on The Fading Dream. Of the three, Legacy of Dhakaan is my fave by a gogoplex.

On the other hand, Mr. Baker, I will say Thorn of Breland is interesting. Queen of Stone was the best so far, but I think your biggest flaw was the fact you wrapped up this one and Son of Khyber way too fast. The last 50 or 60 pages of each book felt kind of rushed, but the books in themselves are far from bad. It just seems you have trouble with the third act, is all, but I'm finding this mystery between Thorn and Sarmondelaryx interesting, and I've heard that aspect gets some closure, so I'm looking forward to the end of The fading Dream.

#16

Ogiwan

Dec 01, 2010 16:59:50

Read Heirs of Ash. Its my personal favorite, and while the Binding Stone and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies are both fantastic....Heirs of Ash is one of my favorite trilogies ever.

#17

Hellcow

Dec 01, 2010 17:42:26

Queen of Stone was the best so far, but I think your biggest flaw was the fact you wrapped up this one and Son of Khyber way too fast. The last 50 or 60 pages of each book felt kind of rushed, but the books in themselves are far from bad. It just seems you have trouble with the third act, is all...

I agree, and it's something I'll be working to improve in the future. Thanks for the thoughts.

#18

Dargurd

Dec 01, 2010 23:15:46

Read Heirs of Ash. Its my personal favorite, and while the Binding Stone and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies are both fantastic....Heirs of Ash is one of my favorite trilogies ever.

Legacy of Dhakaan is quite possibly the best series of novels ive read in the 30 years ive been gaming. It is simply awesome. Incredible storyline, beautifully detailed culture (in terms of goblinoids), great characters and a roller coaster of a storyline.

#19

Madfox11

Dec 02, 2010 3:55:06

For me The Dragon Below is my favorite series of Eberron novels. I am not sure why, probably a sucker for more classical fantasy story. As a DM and fan of Eberron I like the Legacy of Dhakaan, but storywise it did not draw me in as much as The Dragon Below.

#20

AvonRekaes

Dec 05, 2010 12:08:42

I've read, lets see....

The Dreaming Dark Trilogy (Great fun. I thought it was an incredible first-showing for a beginning novelist, Keith. The cliffhangers were a needling point, but I understand why you did them. And as bad as the one at the end of book 2 was, it was okay because we at least got a book 3 to see the resolution of it.)

The Thorn of Breland series (I really like Thorn and I like how she is developing as a character. I'm liking the episodic nature of the series. I do think the later two books could benefit from fifty or so more pages. So yeah, my only complaint about this series is I WISH THERE WAS MORE OF IT. *hint, hint, WotC*)

The Dragon Below (Most likely my favorite DnD series ever. Probably because Kalashtar and Daelkyr are my two favorite parts of the setting, so this trilogy seemed tailor-made for me.)

Legacy of Dhakaan (Another excellent showing by Don. The subject matter wasn't one of immediate interest to me like his first trilogy, but the level and depth into which he painted Darguun culture was amazing. I feel like this trilogy has lifted the veil from Darguun to me as a Dungeon Master, and now I have all sorts of adventure hooks and campaign ideas about the region.)

Heirs of Ash (A really enjoyable read.)

The Inquisitives (Out of the four, Night of Long Shadows and Darkwood Mask were my favorites. I liked Legacy of Wolves and Bound by Iron, but not nearly as much.)

Taint of the Black Brigade (I cannot get enough of Abraxis Wren. Probably my favorite Eberron novel character. I want more! MORE!)

The Orb of Xoriat (Didn't really enjoy this one, although I read it all the way through because of my interest in the Realm of Madness.)

Chronicles of the Last War (Neat collection of short stories, though I didn't like the direction some of them went.)

The Draconic Prophecies (in hardcover) (This was a funny trilogy for me. I didn't like Gavin too much. For me the draw was the side-arc of the changeling's development. It was an enjoyable read, though I'm not sure it warranted being the first hardcover series for Eberron. I really rather think they should go back and make The Dragon Below and Legacy of Dhakaan trilogies in hardcover editions, and promote them as the "flagship" novels of Eberron. They get all the details right and go into great depth about the setting, and are extremely well-written.)

The Blade of the Flame (Uhg. This series. Low point of Eberron novels for me. I only completely read the first book, and it seemed to me like it fell face-first into every terrible, overused writing trope. I only read the first couple of chapters of the second book before stopping and have yet to pick it up since. Of all the people to let write the diminishing number of new Eberron books, I honestly can't figure why Mr. Wagoner is one of them. Apologies to Mr. Wagoner, but when you introduce someone as a badass, try to actually remember they are a badass, okay? I don't need your Faux Action Girls hamming up my Eberron reading.)