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Prestige Class Conversion 4th edition rules

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#1
Berenmir
Feb 20, 2009 13:26:52 How do you think the authors of the new Eberron Players Guide will convert those prestige classes that started at level 4 into 4th edition rules?

Some of them like the Warforged Juggernaut seem suited to be created as Paragon Paths. But some prestige classes like the Extreme Explorer or the Dragonmark Heir will not make much sense to start using them at level 11.
#2
CraggleRock
Feb 20, 2009 14:18:03 I expect anything involving Dragonmarks to largely be handled with multiclassing or bloodlines (as with the Dhampyr article). Most of the "low level" prestige class features I expect will be available with feats, perhaps ones that serve as prerequesites to Paragon Paths later on.
#3
ellorin
Feb 20, 2009 14:23:36 The Warforged Juggernaut has already been converted.

As for the prestige classes you mention, I'm afraid I'll disagree . Even more so than in the case of a member of a usual prestige class , both the Extreme explorer and the Dragonmarked Heir are supposed to be experienced, powerful and influential. The paragon Tier is supposed to be the one were all these features are prevalent:player characters are supposed to be established, well set apart from the masses and their actions often have national or even global effect. Thus, I believe that they should become paragon paths.

There was a thread concerning national paragon paths, many of which were based on prestige classes. Here is a compilation in Trolls' Dragon Above website and here's a link to the original thread.
#4
nthdegree256
Feb 20, 2009 15:56:40 That's something I've been wondering about; will they make Dragonmark Heir a Paragon Path and Mark of Siberys an Epic Destiny, or Mark of Siberys a Paragon Path and Dragonmark Heir a feat at best? Their current level boundaries make it a little hard to say.
#5
ieattrollsforbreakfast
Feb 20, 2009 18:14:05
That's something I've been wondering about; will they make Dragonmark Heir a Paragon Path and Mark of Siberys an Epic Destiny, or Mark of Siberys a Paragon Path and Dragonmark Heir a feat at best? Their current level boundaries make it a little hard to say.

I think they'll both be Paragon Paths. Siberys Marks were pretty much paragon tier by 3E standards, so I don't think an epic destiny is appropriate. As for the Dragonmark Heir - I don't think feats are enough. Maybe the mechanical concept will survive (that is, a path to focus on one's dragonmark) but the story concept will shift from heroic to paragon. That is, instead of Dragonmark Heir, we get Dragonmark Paragon.
#6
AvonRekaes
Feb 26, 2009 12:53:20 Also, just to add to Troll's post, Siberys Marks and Dragonmarked Heirs are mutually exclusive. You can't be both because in order to get the Syberis mark you can't have any of the weaker Marks.

So the progression of Heroic>Dragonmarked feats, Paragon>Dragonmarked Heir, Epic>Mark of Siberys doesn't make sense. Instead there'll be two Paragon Paths, one for focusing on your already existing dragonmark, and one for manifesting the powerful Siberys mark.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Berenmir Feb 20, 2009 13:26:52	How do you think the authors of the new Eberron Players Guide will convert those prestige classes that started at level 4 into 4th edition rules? Some of them like the Warforged Juggernaut seem suited to be created as Paragon Paths. But some prestige classes like the Extreme Explorer or the Dragonmark Heir will not make much sense to start using them at level 11.
#2 CraggleRock Feb 20, 2009 14:18:03	I expect anything involving Dragonmarks to largely be handled with multiclassing or bloodlines (as with the Dhampyr article). Most of the "low level" prestige class features I expect will be available with feats, perhaps ones that serve as prerequesites to Paragon Paths later on.
#3 ellorin Feb 20, 2009 14:23:36	The Warforged Juggernaut has already been converted. As for the prestige classes you mention, I'm afraid I'll disagree . Even more so than in the case of a member of a usual prestige class , both the Extreme explorer and the Dragonmarked Heir are supposed to be experienced, powerful and influential. The paragon Tier is supposed to be the one were all these features are prevalent:player characters are supposed to be established, well set apart from the masses and their actions often have national or even global effect. Thus, I believe that they should become paragon paths. There was a thread concerning national paragon paths, many of which were based on prestige classes. Here is a compilation in Trolls' Dragon Above website and here's a link to the original thread.
#4 nthdegree256 Feb 20, 2009 15:56:40	That's something I've been wondering about; will they make Dragonmark Heir a Paragon Path and Mark of Siberys an Epic Destiny, or Mark of Siberys a Paragon Path and Dragonmark Heir a feat at best? Their current level boundaries make it a little hard to say.
#5 ieattrollsforbreakfast Feb 20, 2009 18:14:05	That's something I've been wondering about; will they make Dragonmark Heir a Paragon Path and Mark of Siberys an Epic Destiny, or Mark of Siberys a Paragon Path and Dragonmark Heir a feat at best? Their current level boundaries make it a little hard to say. I think they'll both be Paragon Paths. Siberys Marks were pretty much paragon tier by 3E standards, so I don't think an epic destiny is appropriate. As for the Dragonmark Heir - I don't think feats are enough. Maybe the mechanical concept will survive (that is, a path to focus on one's dragonmark) but the story concept will shift from heroic to paragon. That is, instead of Dragonmark Heir, we get Dragonmark Paragon.
#6 AvonRekaes Feb 26, 2009 12:53:20	Also, just to add to Troll's post, Siberys Marks and Dragonmarked Heirs are mutually exclusive. You can't be both because in order to get the Syberis mark you can't have any of the weaker Marks. So the progression of Heroic>Dragonmarked feats, Paragon>Dragonmarked Heir, Epic>Mark of Siberys doesn't make sense. Instead there'll be two Paragon Paths, one for focusing on your already existing dragonmark, and one for manifesting the powerful Siberys mark.