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#1 EnderXenocide0 Oct 09, 2014 20:42:20	The Faiths of Eberron map gallery has a map of Haka'torvhak:   http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20060925a   The Faiths of Eberron art gallery has an image of the Symbol of Rhashaak and an image of The Offering Circle, which appears to be related to Rhashaak.   http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ag/20060911a&page=3   I can't find any of these in the actual book. Please tell me I'm not just blind.
#2 Beoric Oct 10, 2014 16:41:22	I haven't seen it anywhere.  I notice that on p. 145 of the Explorer's Handbook there is a Haka'torvhak entry that looks like it should have a map, but there isn't one.  Maybe it was errata or a web enhancement.
#3 Tempest_Stormwind Oct 10, 2014 18:31:03	The art for many books gets commissioned early enough in the design process as to not hold up printing that much. Some elements are removed, be it through editing or development, and the art, while bought by WotC, doesn't make it in the book. These are examples of that.   The best example, I think, is the Tome of Battle, which provides at least one extra prestige class and an entire host of monsters in the art gallery that weren't in the book. The monsters also give away that entire disciplines were renamed (i.e. White Raven appears to have originally been White Tower).
#4 Hellcow Oct 11, 2014 8:05:02	Yes, this sort of thing happens. The Sharn sourcebook originally had a whole section on aberrant dragonmarks, which eventually showed up in Dragonmarked and in one of my Dragonshard articles.
#5 EnderXenocide0 Oct 11, 2014 8:54:09	Well that's unfortunate. The Explorer's Handbook and the Explore Q'barra articles had some nice information, but EH just teased me with interesting location names, but relatively little further information. I'd been hoping that stumbling across the map in the gallery meant I could turn to Faiths for some more info. Alas, it was not to be!
(Reply to #5) maceo00	I'm curious if you found a file of that image that was large enough that the map key could be read.   The 3.5 site image is so small when I zoom in it's distorted and I can't read the key.   Thanks
(Reply to #5) Amaril	maceo00 wrote:
(Reply to #4) Amaril	Hellcow wrote:
#9 maceo00 Oct 14, 2014 9:25:03	Thanks for the info Amaril. That's a shame.   This conversation though did interest me in going to Lee Moyer's website who did the Offering Circle art.   I found a map of Shivairn, a city in Valenar that I hadn't seen before but it clearly has Eberron organizations located in it.   http://www.leemoyer.com/games/h7285de01#h7285de01   As well as another location named Ankhorport that I wasn't able to remember.   http://www.leemoyer.com/games/h743bf720#h743bf720   Any idea where these were used?   Thanks
#10 EnderXenocide0 Oct 14, 2014 15:50:58	I'm wondering if Shivairn is a predecessor to Sharn, given the inclusion of Morgrave University on the map (where did you see Valenar, again?). Ankhorport also looks like something from early development, as Karrnath is spelled 'Karnath' and it has an embassy for Dar Jin, as opposed to Riedra (in which, Dar Jin is located).
(Reply to #10) maceo00	Ender.   Valenar isn't indicated on that map of Shivairn but there is a city in Valenar that has that name. It's on maps of Valenar (both the 3E and 4E campaign books) and is even mentioned in the Expeditionary Dispatch "Crossing Valenar".   "Most humans can trace their roots back to the fallen nation of Khunan in Sarlona, and they are proud of their ties to the soil of the east; along the old road, Shivairn, Keth, and Norinath are largely human communities".   I'm not sure if the Shivairn on the map is REALLY the Shivairn of Valenar but it does share the name.   Kinda interesting either way but it would be nice to get an answer.   Maybe I'll try and contact the artist.
#12 KhanSemus Oct 15, 2014 11:14:46	I agree with Ender. The City of Knives is another name for Sharn.   Plus, if that is a river port then the river in Valendar is huge.
#13 Beoric Oct 15, 2014 19:07:32	Not to mention that the 3.5 map marks Shivairn as a "small town", whereas the "City of Knives" map shows a population of 40,398.  It must be from an earlier iteration of Eberron.
#14 Hellcow Oct 17, 2014 22:13:53	That's correct. Both of these maps come from the original 100 page proposal, before it even was Eberron. Shivairn became Sharn, and the name was simply reused. Ankhorport doesn't really have an analogue. It's a city on a crysteel plateau; the glass plateau ended up in the Mournland, but without an active city.