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Skycoaches outside of Sharn?

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#1
opskt
Apr 18, 2010 11:26:50 I assumed, based on the fluff and v3.5 rules, that the Skycoach listed on page 281 of the Eberron Campaign Guide could nto be used outside the Sharn manifest zone.

Then I realized, they specifically call that out in that section for the Soarsleds, but not the Skycoach.

Does that mean it works outside of Sharn? That any party with a Dragonmarked Lyrandar memeber and 2000 gold to spare can get a small flying vehicle for themselves?
#2
Dargurd
Apr 19, 2010 0:31:58 No Skycoaches will not work outside of Sharn. Skycoaches rely on being within the manifest zone which is Sharn.

If you wanted a flying coach outside of sharn it would need to be built in similair way to an airship with elementals and appropriate materials etc.
#3
opskt
Apr 19, 2010 7:18:16 That is what I thought, but it does nto say so in the item description, and it is not spelled out in the sidebar like the Soarsleds, so it was somehwat ambiguious. I thoguht maybe it was a change for 4th.

Fluff wise, they need the manifest zone to work, and that is what I planned on going with, but I was looking to make sure there was no loop hole to exploit.
#4
Madfox11
Apr 20, 2010 3:34:08 Well, the rules between 3E and 4E in regards to transportation has changed somewhat. In 3E the price of flying objects was based on creating items with a permanent fly spell. In 4E the price of an item is based on its functionality in regards to adventuring. A result is that some of the transportation objects have become much cheaper. I don't have my books at hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if the price is based on the price for a hippogriff.
#5
SpacyRicochet
Apr 21, 2010 9:06:53 I don't see why sky coaches wouldn't work outside of Sharn. I don't have my books near me either, but if only the Soar Sleds are specifically mentioned to work only in Sharn, nothing is stopping from using sky coaches elsewhere. Especially since soar sleds are the result of a specific ritual and sky coaches can just be a miniature version of sky ships. Just have a tiny elemental bound to a nice coach and yes, any PC with the connections and 2000 gold to spare can buy flying transportation.

On that count, if you're actually concerned about them getting flying transportation, nothing is preventing you from just stating that sky coaches don't work outside of sharn. You're the DM, if you don't want something reasonable, players will follow.
#6
RedRider
Apr 26, 2010 8:47:07 Possibly skycoaches which function anywhere could exist outside of Sharn, but making them might be a bit more expensive (since they aren't boyed up by Sharn's manifest zone) and keep them mainly confined to the wealthy districts or chartered flights. (Arrive to the Ball in style!)

Similarly, you may want justifications for why the PCs don't bring one with them on adventures (Short circuits a lot of walled ruins for instance) or why criminals aren't hijacking them for nefarious deeds.

If you really want to keep them confined to specific areas, you could suggest they're fuelled by an energy field maintained by House Lyrandar/mages in certain city quarters which only covers city quarters where flight is going to be important. (Arcanix and Korth both have floating magical research labs, while Stormhome might want one for maintaining airships in mid-air. And just because they can.)
#7
Kensan_Oni
Apr 27, 2010 2:04:20
Possibly skycoaches which function anywhere could exist outside of Sharn, but making them might be a bit more expensive (since they aren't boyed up by Sharn's manifest zone) and keep them mainly confined to the wealthy districts or chartered flights. (Arrive to the Ball in style!)

Similarly, you may want justifications for why the PCs don't bring one with them on adventures (Short circuits a lot of walled ruins for instance) or why criminals aren't hijacking them for nefarious deeds.

If you really want to keep them confined to specific areas, you could suggest they're fuelled by an energy field maintained by House Lyrandar/mages in certain city quarters which only covers city quarters where flight is going to be important. (Arcanix and Korth both have floating magical research labs, while Stormhome might want one for maintaining airships in mid-air. And just because they can.)

As far as I can tell, all you need to have Skycoaches is to have a Manfest Zone to Syrania. That would be rare, but that means they could exist elsewhere.

The big thing in my mind is that if you don't keep them unique to Sharn, it makes Sharn less memorable. Not that I care much about Sharn, but it's something to keep in mind.
#8
durskut
May 10, 2010 16:16:29
"As far as I can tell, all you need to have Skycoaches is to have a Manfest Zone to Syrania. That would be rare, but that means they could exist elsewhere."

This. They can function anywhere there is the correct manifest zone, and the only permanent one I know of is Sharn.

Additionally, it seems obvious to us why adventurers would want one to work outside of Sharn. However, no other city is terribly vertical enough to really need skycoaches to get around. This leads me to believe even if they worked outside of Sharn you would rarely if ever see them outside the City of Towers.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 opskt Apr 18, 2010 11:26:50	I assumed, based on the fluff and v3.5 rules, that the Skycoach listed on page 281 of the Eberron Campaign Guide could nto be used outside the Sharn manifest zone. Then I realized, they specifically call that out in that section for the Soarsleds, but not the Skycoach. Does that mean it works outside of Sharn? That any party with a Dragonmarked Lyrandar memeber and 2000 gold to spare can get a small flying vehicle for themselves?
#2 Dargurd Apr 19, 2010 0:31:58	No Skycoaches will not work outside of Sharn. Skycoaches rely on being within the manifest zone which is Sharn. If you wanted a flying coach outside of sharn it would need to be built in similair way to an airship with elementals and appropriate materials etc.
#3 opskt Apr 19, 2010 7:18:16	That is what I thought, but it does nto say so in the item description, and it is not spelled out in the sidebar like the Soarsleds, so it was somehwat ambiguious. I thoguht maybe it was a change for 4th. Fluff wise, they need the manifest zone to work, and that is what I planned on going with, but I was looking to make sure there was no loop hole to exploit.
#4 Madfox11 Apr 20, 2010 3:34:08	Well, the rules between 3E and 4E in regards to transportation has changed somewhat. In 3E the price of flying objects was based on creating items with a permanent fly spell. In 4E the price of an item is based on its functionality in regards to adventuring. A result is that some of the transportation objects have become much cheaper. I don't have my books at hand, but it wouldn't surprise me if the price is based on the price for a hippogriff.
#5 SpacyRicochet Apr 21, 2010 9:06:53	I don't see why sky coaches wouldn't work outside of Sharn. I don't have my books near me either, but if only the Soar Sleds are specifically mentioned to work only in Sharn, nothing is stopping from using sky coaches elsewhere. Especially since soar sleds are the result of a specific ritual and sky coaches can just be a miniature version of sky ships. Just have a tiny elemental bound to a nice coach and yes, any PC with the connections and 2000 gold to spare can buy flying transportation. On that count, if you're actually concerned about them getting flying transportation, nothing is preventing you from just stating that sky coaches don't work outside of sharn. You're the DM, if you don't want something reasonable, players will follow.
#6 RedRider Apr 26, 2010 8:47:07	Possibly skycoaches which function anywhere could exist outside of Sharn, but making them might be a bit more expensive (since they aren't boyed up by Sharn's manifest zone) and keep them mainly confined to the wealthy districts or chartered flights. (Arrive to the Ball in style!) Similarly, you may want justifications for why the PCs don't bring one with them on adventures (Short circuits a lot of walled ruins for instance) or why criminals aren't hijacking them for nefarious deeds. If you really want to keep them confined to specific areas, you could suggest they're fuelled by an energy field maintained by House Lyrandar/mages in certain city quarters which only covers city quarters where flight is going to be important. (Arcanix and Korth both have floating magical research labs, while Stormhome might want one for maintaining airships in mid-air. And just because they can.)
#7 Kensan_Oni Apr 27, 2010 2:04:20	Possibly skycoaches which function anywhere could exist outside of Sharn, but making them might be a bit more expensive (since they aren't boyed up by Sharn's manifest zone) and keep them mainly confined to the wealthy districts or chartered flights. (Arrive to the Ball in style!) Similarly, you may want justifications for why the PCs don't bring one with them on adventures (Short circuits a lot of walled ruins for instance) or why criminals aren't hijacking them for nefarious deeds. If you really want to keep them confined to specific areas, you could suggest they're fuelled by an energy field maintained by House Lyrandar/mages in certain city quarters which only covers city quarters where flight is going to be important. (Arcanix and Korth both have floating magical research labs, while Stormhome might want one for maintaining airships in mid-air. And just because they can.) As far as I can tell, all you need to have Skycoaches is to have a Manfest Zone to Syrania. That would be rare, but that means they could exist elsewhere. The big thing in my mind is that if you don't keep them unique to Sharn, it makes Sharn less memorable. Not that I care much about Sharn, but it's something to keep in mind.
#8 durskut May 10, 2010 16:16:29	"As far as I can tell, all you need to have Skycoaches is to have a Manfest Zone to Syrania. That would be rare, but that means they could exist elsewhere." This. They can function anywhere there is the correct manifest zone, and the only permanent one I know of is Sharn. Additionally, it seems obvious to us why adventurers would want one to work outside of Sharn. However, no other city is terribly vertical enough to really need skycoaches to get around. This leads me to believe even if they worked outside of Sharn you would rarely if ever see them outside the City of Towers.