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The Children of the Warforged

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#1
Webster
Jul 01, 2011 20:20:38 I'm currently working on an adventure where a pair of warforged have come to realize that without creation forges, there will never be any new warfoged "born". They're starting a movement to allow creation forges to be used again, stating the other races wouldn't stop having children.

#2
Gilo
Jul 02, 2011 6:10:05 I wonder what kind of approach will they take:

-Work with artificers such as Merrix d'Cannith to open secret Creation Forge clinics in Sharn,
-Instigate a second war so warforged creation will be resumed,
-Seek the Lord of Blades in the Mournland for his help in the matter.

Probably the best approach will be to go to Xen'drik and search for the old Quori warforged creation 'technology': it may allow to create a child warforged with a spirit-link to his warforged-parents, making it true warforged reproduction.
#3
CorrinAvatan
Jul 27, 2011 18:03:54 I'm going to ask this, because, if I was a player, especially a Warforged one, I'd ask. Best to have an idea (or be prepared for the questions):

Why do the Warforged care? For the most part, Warforged can't die, since they can replace worn out parts and can be "brought back" to life even after 'catastrophic' damage by being repaired. On top of that, they weren't created with the biological urge to reproduce (or urge to eat, or sleep, or anything really), and according to some 3.5 resources, only have a survival instinct because, well, being broken is not fun. Sure, there aren't going to be any NEW ones, but theoretically, all of the ones that are alive today will be alive 200 years from now.

What I'm getting at, is that you're framing it as "the Warforged want to have children." However, nothing in any source book speaks to a desire to reproduce in the first place (the Dragon article about them specifically talks about how their defining characteristic is that they DON'T have sexual/emotional/hunger urges).

So, you'd need a good explanation for why the warforged feel the need to boost their numbers. ESPECIALLY when quite a few Warforged are going through an identity crisis: they were created to wage war, and there isn't a war for them to fight. Why would they want have more created, when there isn't a war?
#4
Phobos
Aug 02, 2011 10:39:32 Got me thinking Corrin.

I agree with you. First warforged children are kind of creapy, as they don't grow. Like a child vampire, only bad things will happen when they grow wearly of being smaller.

However, any "cover" story will work to get permission to get a creation forge up and working again.

World domination will take more than the few thousand warforge there are today. They may not want children, but for the plan to work, they need more...

/smirk
#5
CorrinAvatan
Aug 03, 2011 0:10:38
Got me thinking Corrin.

I agree with you. First warforged children are kind of creapy, as they don't grow. Like a child vampire, only bad things will happen when they grow wearly of being smaller.

However, any "cover" story will work to get permission to get a creation forge up and working again.

World domination will take more than the few thousand warforge there are today. They may not want children, but for the plan to work, they need more...

/smirk

Actually, you got me thinking even more. Besides the "learn what the forge didn't teach you," Warforged aren't born as "children". They're adults, for all intents and purposes. Do the Warforged suddenly feel the need to "raise" one of their own?
#6
phoenixrevival00
Aug 09, 2011 7:28:50
Well you could very well relate them to Data from ST:TNG. It's not so much the concept of creating a "child" as it is the need for their "race" to survive. Despite warforged being able to repair themselves or have someone resurrect them that doesn’t guarantee that someone will resurrect them.

The warforged have both free will and self-awareness so it makes sense that they would eventually question their mortality (such as it is) and wish to ensure warforged go on, just as the other races do.

Could you imagine if a creation forge WAS set up to create a child warforged that grew and evolved like a biological humanoid? They are, after all, composed of organic materials that should be capable of growth. Could be that is their normal state but the process in which House Cannith used just created battle capable models from the get-go.
#7
Vestras
Aug 18, 2011 10:56:04 Ooo, good thought provoking idea there.

One thing I can offer for an explanation is to look to an old 90's series called Exo-squad. Typical sci-fi mecha series with a lot of deep political and wartime maturity to it. One of the key elements are a race of artificial lifeforms called Neo-Sapiens. Vat grown in their thousands to work as soldiers and workers for humans, much like the Warforged. As par for the course, they rebelled, a big war, peace, and another war (which the series follows).

At the end of the war an advocate for Neo-sapien rights makes a very profound speech asking for the creation of a new brood of Neos that has the ability to breed as natural humans do. He explains that humanity worries about their actions in a unique way because they have their children and posterity to judge them while the Neos do not. They share no attachment to any of their successors, and as such take a very harsh view of the world, and do not plan for the future in that sense. With "children" to look up to them and to leave the world to, the Neos/Warforged would have something to work towards rather than their own ambitions.

Plenty of room for character pieces, big RP speeches, and some attacks by anti-warforged forces. Sounds like a good start to me!

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#1 Webster Jul 01, 2011 20:20:38	I'm currently working on an adventure where a pair of warforged have come to realize that without creation forges, there will never be any new warfoged "born". They're starting a movement to allow creation forges to be used again, stating the other races wouldn't stop having children.
#2 Gilo Jul 02, 2011 6:10:05	I wonder what kind of approach will they take: -Work with artificers such as Merrix d'Cannith to open secret Creation Forge clinics in Sharn, -Instigate a second war so warforged creation will be resumed, -Seek the Lord of Blades in the Mournland for his help in the matter. Probably the best approach will be to go to Xen'drik and search for the old Quori warforged creation 'technology': it may allow to create a child warforged with a spirit-link to his warforged-parents, making it true warforged reproduction.
#3 CorrinAvatan Jul 27, 2011 18:03:54	I'm going to ask this, because, if I was a player, especially a Warforged one, I'd ask. Best to have an idea (or be prepared for the questions): Why do the Warforged care? For the most part, Warforged can't die, since they can replace worn out parts and can be "brought back" to life even after 'catastrophic' damage by being repaired. On top of that, they weren't created with the biological urge to reproduce (or urge to eat, or sleep, or anything really), and according to some 3.5 resources, only have a survival instinct because, well, being broken is not fun. Sure, there aren't going to be any NEW ones, but theoretically, all of the ones that are alive today will be alive 200 years from now. What I'm getting at, is that you're framing it as "the Warforged want to have children." However, nothing in any source book speaks to a desire to reproduce in the first place (the Dragon article about them specifically talks about how their defining characteristic is that they DON'T have sexual/emotional/hunger urges). So, you'd need a good explanation for why the warforged feel the need to boost their numbers. ESPECIALLY when quite a few Warforged are going through an identity crisis: they were created to wage war, and there isn't a war for them to fight. Why would they want have more created, when there isn't a war?
#4 Phobos Aug 02, 2011 10:39:32	Got me thinking Corrin. I agree with you. First warforged children are kind of creapy, as they don't grow. Like a child vampire, only bad things will happen when they grow wearly of being smaller. However, any "cover" story will work to get permission to get a creation forge up and working again. World domination will take more than the few thousand warforge there are today. They may not want children, but for the plan to work, they need more... /smirk
#5 CorrinAvatan Aug 03, 2011 0:10:38	Got me thinking Corrin. I agree with you. First warforged children are kind of creapy, as they don't grow. Like a child vampire, only bad things will happen when they grow wearly of being smaller. However, any "cover" story will work to get permission to get a creation forge up and working again. World domination will take more than the few thousand warforge there are today. They may not want children, but for the plan to work, they need more... /smirk Actually, you got me thinking even more. Besides the "learn what the forge didn't teach you," Warforged aren't born as "children". They're adults, for all intents and purposes. Do the Warforged suddenly feel the need to "raise" one of their own?
#6 phoenixrevival00 Aug 09, 2011 7:28:50	Well you could very well relate them to Data from ST:TNG. It's not so much the concept of creating a "child" as it is the need for their "race" to survive. Despite warforged being able to repair themselves or have someone resurrect them that doesn’t guarantee that someone will resurrect them. The warforged have both free will and self-awareness so it makes sense that they would eventually question their mortality (such as it is) and wish to ensure warforged go on, just as the other races do. Could you imagine if a creation forge WAS set up to create a child warforged that grew and evolved like a biological humanoid? They are, after all, composed of organic materials that should be capable of growth. Could be that is their normal state but the process in which House Cannith used just created battle capable models from the get-go.
#7 Vestras Aug 18, 2011 10:56:04	Ooo, good thought provoking idea there. One thing I can offer for an explanation is to look to an old 90's series called Exo-squad. Typical sci-fi mecha series with a lot of deep political and wartime maturity to it. One of the key elements are a race of artificial lifeforms called Neo-Sapiens. Vat grown in their thousands to work as soldiers and workers for humans, much like the Warforged. As par for the course, they rebelled, a big war, peace, and another war (which the series follows). At the end of the war an advocate for Neo-sapien rights makes a very profound speech asking for the creation of a new brood of Neos that has the ability to breed as natural humans do. He explains that humanity worries about their actions in a unique way because they have their children and posterity to judge them while the Neos do not. They share no attachment to any of their successors, and as such take a very harsh view of the world, and do not plan for the future in that sense. With "children" to look up to them and to leave the world to, the Neos/Warforged would have something to work towards rather than their own ambitions. Plenty of room for character pieces, big RP speeches, and some attacks by anti-warforged forces. Sounds like a good start to me!