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| #1connortheconman93Jul 22, 2010 7:50:13 | I have been thinking about this for a while, and I want to know what you guys think: what are the moons of Eberron made of? I thought that they may be massive dragonshards, on the order of hundreds of times bigger than the Heart of Siberys, or they may be simple rock. I had an idea for a campaign awhile ago that the moons were actually inhabited, and that before they were destroyed the giants were exploring the moons. What do you think the moons are made of? |
| #2AvonRekaesJul 22, 2010 10:02:56 | In my one campaign, I had the moons actually be constructed by Dragons. They were spherical shells with a powersource inside them that helped dragons monitor and control various planar energies. Think something like the Death Star, but actually as big as a real moon. I populated them with some of the more powerful Inevitables from 3rd edition (The ones that governed the universal law of time, and the ones that governed the universal law of "the gods are sacred", though I ignored that flavor and just casted them as governing planar boundries. Also they were created by Dragons.) Here's what they look like: ![]() |
| #3grizrazJul 29, 2010 10:42:31 | im my opinion the moons are the representation of the 13 planes of eberron, 12 moons and one hidden, 12 planes and 1 (xoriat) banished looks like more than a coincidence =) |
| #4connortheconman93Jul 29, 2010 13:09:22 | Actually Grizraz Crya, the 13th moon, was connected to Dal Quor. Xoriat is connected to one of the other moons. Xoriat isn't really banished, it will come back eventually, but being the embodiment of madness nobody knows when. One cycle could last a million years, while the next a couple of weeks. |
| #5AvonRekaesJul 31, 2010 19:13:27 | Furthermore, in 4e, Xoriat isn't even considered one of the 13 planes. It is now considered completely alien to Eberron's cosmology. The Nine Hells of Baator took Xoriat's place as one of the 13 planes. |
| #6connortheconman93Aug 02, 2010 20:11:29 | Yet another reason why I hate the 4th edition Eberron cosmology. They tried to bolt on the 4th edition cosmology without thinking about how it all fits, and the result, to be frank, sucks. I wouldn't mind having an established place for the new planes if it didn't change the original cosmology. Places like the Feywild and Shadowfell were in place already (sort of), while all it takes is a little creativity to fit in the others. |
| #7AvonRekaesAug 07, 2010 23:20:57 | Connor: If it makes you feel any better, the only part I have trouble reconciling about the 4th edition cosmology is Baator. They dropped the ball on explaining what the hell a plane of devils with a ruler that claims he's a god has done to influence the setting at all. What other places are you referring to, though? The Astral Sea is the same as the Astral Plane used to be, with the exception that the more elemental of the old Outer Planes no longer reside in them. However this doesn't need to change the "orbit" of the planes, as you can consider that the "orbit" is just a metaphor for the approaching and receding influence of the plane, regardless of its actual metaphysical position. The Elemental Chaos and the Abyss are both new to Eberron, but I actually like their new place. I believe their current 4e position was even based upon Keith Baker's conversion notes of Paizo's Savage Coast Adventure Path, where he placed the Abyss at the "bottom" of Khyber. I always liked the idea that the deeper into Khyber you went, the less like a "normal" Underdark it was and the more alien/strange it became. Now it's cannon. The deepest tunnels and cave networks gradually give way until you're in the Elemental Chaos (which now houses the elemental planes like Fernia and Risa), and as you keep going further into the Chaos, you eventually reach the Abyss. Essentially, "Khyber" no longer just refers to the Underdark, but also the Elemental Chaos and the Abyss, all reachable in theory by descending into the depths below Eberron. |
| #8connortheconman93Aug 08, 2010 0:13:44 | To be honest, I sort of liked the idea of an 'orbiting' plane, because it justs makes sense when you are talking about remote/coterminous planes. The idea of Khyber leading into other planes is a little wacky, but doable. I already used the Abyss when playing games, but I set it as a sort of fourteenth plane with physical layers. The Elemental Chaos, however, I just don't get. What is it? I read the 4th edition Dungeon Master's Guide when it came out, but haven't messed with it since. I also dislike Khyber being a whole range of areas. I always thought of it s a physical area, but now it has become a magical one as well. |
| #9OgiwanAug 08, 2010 14:57:54 | Truth be told, I never bothered with the 4e cosmology. Granted, I never had to worry about it in any of my games, but I still doubt I would actually use the 4e cosmology. |
| #10PJammaGodAug 08, 2010 22:17:51 | I sense a segue, mayhap we should return to the OP's question at hand (What do you think the 13 moons of Eberron are made of if you need a refresher). Personally I like them to be as literal as they are, lumps of rock orbiting the sky. They might be various kinds of rock or have something special about them (great gouts cut into them, larger or smaller than normal etc etc), but they're still rock. What's important (at least in my setting) is that they are a physical manifestation of the orrery format of Eberron's planes. For a seer or Planeswalker, knowing where the planes are is as simple as looking up to the sky. Where is Risia or Fernia today, what's Shavarath doing right now? You can look up and see where they are in correlation. The moons are also tied to the seasons and dragonmarks. In my campaign powerful eldritch device and potent Dragonmark keyed magical items can only be constructed in the month that corresponds to that mark. And since every Month is denoted by which Moon is in ascendance (brighter and more powerful) in the sky, people have another reason to chart and note the orbits of Eberron's 12 and 1 moons. It adds a certain sense of urgency and impetus when you've only got one full month (28 days) to piece together and complete a ritual to craft something truly powerful. Just my two cents worth. |
| #11connortheconman93Aug 09, 2010 11:15:14 | Thanks for your opinion, PJammaGod. I have one question though: why would an eldritch device be tied to a dragonmark? I may be thinking of the wrong type of machine, but a doomsday machine would be tied more to a plane or something else than a dragonmark, unless the connection made sense. For example, a machine built to trigger worldwide earthquakes would make more sense tied to Kythri, the plane of chaos than, say, the Mark of Detection. Some things, like a healing eldritch machine, make sense tied to a dragonmark, but the doomsday machines wouldn't, short of a hurricane one. |
| #12AvonRekaesAug 09, 2010 15:54:02 | If I may presume to answer on PJammaGod's behalf... I don't think he was talking about tying an eldritch device to a dragonmark. I think he was saying that, in his games, he ties the construction of 1) eldritch devices and 2) potent Dragonmark keyed magical items to the Moons, because each Moon has an associated plane (For interacting with eldritch devices) and an associated dragonmark (for dragonmark focus items). But there's not any actual correlation beween eldritch devices and dragonmarks. That being said, "eldritch devices" are not all doomsday machines. The Creation Forges that House Cannith used to create the Warforged are classified as "eldritch devices", and they were all dragonmark focus items, enhancing and empowering the Mark of Making of Cannith dragonmarked heirs. So while I don't think PJammaGod meant to imply there was a connection, by cannon there is support for the idea. Also, while an Eldritch Device that enhances dragonmarked powers to create Earthquakes wouldn't make sense for the Mark of Detection, I'm already getting ideas about Aberrant Marks empowering such machines. |
| #13PJammaGodAug 10, 2010 9:45:32 | *finishes his glass of water and see's that Avon has already posted a response* Yikes, well we know where you sunk all your psychic skill points into Avon :P . Speaking of Aberrant marks, an odd thought occurs to me. While the Aberrant marks themselves have no traditional connecion to the moons unlike say the normal marks, there is a thought about how they could tie in thematicaly with their powers. For example an aberrant theme tied to fire or frost obviously links in with Risia and Fernia. Your element Eldritch Device for earthquakes doesn't really tie with the Mark of Detection. But mayhap it could have an eldritch connection to Zarantyr, which is often associated with unbridled and wild energy. And more importantly you'd want Vult (the moon which ties in with stability) to be waning. Now just find someone whom might just be the reincarntion of Halas Tarkanan (btw I such a fanboy of this guy) and bammo, revenge for all those centuries of persecution. |
| #14AvonRekaesAug 10, 2010 14:34:17 | *smacks forehead* D'oh! Right! Tarkanan! I knew there was a reason why Earthquakes immediately made me think of Aberrant Marks. |
| #15connortheconman93Sep 06, 2010 18:52:58 | That was a big glass of water PJammaGod. Yes AvonRekaes, that was why the War of the Mark was started, to take out the aberrants who had immensely powerful marks like Lord Tarkanan, who could start earthquakes, and the Lady of the Plague, whose powers were never mentioned, but its pretty obvious what the general theme of her powers were. |
| #16GurvSep 07, 2010 3:00:33 | I'm running a game in 3.5 and I was wondering what skill people think should be used to answer questions about the moons. To know what phase they're in at a given time, or where they might be in the night sky? |
| #17AvonRekaesSep 07, 2010 13:01:52 | Gurv: I'd say Arcana and Nature could both be used. Maybe the Nature one would be an easier DC because Arcana is a much broader subject and requires more learnin' to get to specifics about moon phases. The connection with the orbiting planes is too loose for me to really see how studying the Planes would give knowledge about the Moon's natural phases. It's not as if the moons only become Full on the same interval that planes become Coterminus, for example. Connor: Yes I know about the War of the Mark and how abberant marks used to be more dangerous. I just forgot that Tarkanan's was tied to seismic activity. It's not as if his name is as helpful in indicating his power's theme as his consort's. |