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The noble ir' prefix

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#1
darkwarlock
Feb 15, 2012 13:30:00 Does the ir' prefix belong exclusively to the human nobility of Eberron, or may an elf or tiefling, for example, hold such an honorific? I haven't scoured the books, but my (admittedly often faulty) memory can only recall human instances of it. Obviously, I realize as the DM of my game I can bestow honorifics to whomever I desire, but I like sticking to canon except in the most interesting and extreme circumstances. Many thanks!
#2
charlemegne
Feb 15, 2012 13:39:38 Ibelieve that only scions of noble families have the ir' however most royal families in Khorvaire are human. By the way ir in spanish means to go.
#3
Hellcow
Feb 15, 2012 15:12:08 The 'ir prefix indicates a member of one of the noble families of Galifar. As such, it also indicates that the bearer has a noble title of some form and an ancestral claim to land within the Five Nations. Most are human, because the Five Nations are predominantly human. However, there's no reason that a dwarf, elf, or what-have-you who performed exceptional service to the crown couldn't be raised to the nobility. You might want to consider how they acquired their title, though - how far back does it go? Which ruler bestowed it upon them, and where are their lands?
#4
darkwarlock
Feb 15, 2012 17:53:28 Thanks, Keith. So by this logic it would be rather unusual to have King Boranel bestow such a title to a character (of, say, mid-paragon tier) as a reward for saving Sharn from some grand disaster (perhaps unless the title also came with lands in the Breland hinterland?).
#5
Hellcow
Feb 15, 2012 18:22:06
Thanks, Keith. So by this logic it would be rather unusual to have King Boranel bestow such a title to a character (of, say, mid-paragon tier) as a reward for saving Sharn from some grand disaster (perhaps unless the title also came with lands in the Breland hinterland?).

The title he bestows ISN'T "ir" alone; he bestows the title of Baron of Such-and-Such, Count of ThisVille, or what have you, to be held and protected by you and your heirs in perpetuity. Attaching "ir" to your name is simply a shorthand was of telling people that you are one of the nobles of the land.

So he could certainly grant it to a character who saved Sharn. It would just come with some land - most likely either a region Breland has never truly held (say, frontier territory on the Droaam border) or a region whose nobles were slain during the Last War. It could be very interesting to have the PC have to deal with the troubles of that region - though I'm sure he could hire/appoint someone to serve as his proxy in the day to day business.

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#1 darkwarlock Feb 15, 2012 13:30:00	Does the ir' prefix belong exclusively to the human nobility of Eberron, or may an elf or tiefling, for example, hold such an honorific? I haven't scoured the books, but my (admittedly often faulty) memory can only recall human instances of it. Obviously, I realize as the DM of my game I can bestow honorifics to whomever I desire, but I like sticking to canon except in the most interesting and extreme circumstances. Many thanks!
#2 charlemegne Feb 15, 2012 13:39:38	Ibelieve that only scions of noble families have the ir' however most royal families in Khorvaire are human. By the way ir in spanish means to go.
#3 Hellcow Feb 15, 2012 15:12:08	The 'ir prefix indicates a member of one of the noble families of Galifar. As such, it also indicates that the bearer has a noble title of some form and an ancestral claim to land within the Five Nations. Most are human, because the Five Nations are predominantly human. However, there's no reason that a dwarf, elf, or what-have-you who performed exceptional service to the crown couldn't be raised to the nobility. You might want to consider how they acquired their title, though - how far back does it go? Which ruler bestowed it upon them, and where are their lands?
#4 darkwarlock Feb 15, 2012 17:53:28	Thanks, Keith. So by this logic it would be rather unusual to have King Boranel bestow such a title to a character (of, say, mid-paragon tier) as a reward for saving Sharn from some grand disaster (perhaps unless the title also came with lands in the Breland hinterland?).
#5 Hellcow Feb 15, 2012 18:22:06	Thanks, Keith. So by this logic it would be rather unusual to have King Boranel bestow such a title to a character (of, say, mid-paragon tier) as a reward for saving Sharn from some grand disaster (perhaps unless the title also came with lands in the Breland hinterland?). The title he bestows ISN'T "ir" alone; he bestows the title of Baron of Such-and-Such, Count of ThisVille, or what have you, to be held and protected by you and your heirs in perpetuity. Attaching "ir" to your name is simply a shorthand was of telling people that you are one of the nobles of the land. So he could certainly grant it to a character who saved Sharn. It would just come with some land - most likely either a region Breland has never truly held (say, frontier territory on the Droaam border) or a region whose nobles were slain during the Last War. It could be very interesting to have the PC have to deal with the troubles of that region - though I'm sure he could hire/appoint someone to serve as his proxy in the day to day business.