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Using/Converting 4E Deities to Eberron ("PEACH")

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#1
Astos
Jun 25, 2008 10:41:05 I decided to convert/explain/use the 4E deities as part of Eberron. My reasoning is that, according to Keith Baker, there is unlikely to be an extensive line of Eberron published products in 4E (except perhaps on D&D Insider). Instead, most products will be "generic". So most of them will mention the 4E deities.

Rather than converting these deities each time, I thought I would throw up some "standard" explanations for names like the "Raven Queen" etc. to be used in a campaign. Also, some of the deities I just frankly like better than the Eberron gods.

This is what I came up with; I would appreciate any comments and suggestions from those of you more steeped in Eberron lore than I am.

A few qualifiers: I have read or skimmed most Eberron source material, but I did not go back and comb through it when I created this; its more like a rough draft. Also, for the Raven Queen, I frankly just like the idea of the RQ more than the Keeper so I am making her the "primary" in my campaign just as a matter of personal taste. I realize some purists won't like that!

Avandra (Good) --> Olladra (Good). The Sovereign Host claims that "Avandra" (stats per p. 21 of PHB) is simply a name given to Olladra by the halfling savages before they learned of the Sovereign Host from human immigrants. She is still worshiped as Avandra by many halfling tribes, while civilized halfings have mostly adopted the "proper" appellation.

Bahamut (LG) --> Dol Arrah (LG). Some dragons worship "Bahamut", the Platinum Dragon, a god of justice, protection, nobility, and honor. The Sovereign Host sees this as simply another face for Dol Arrah, the god of Honor and Sacrifice. Many creatures of draconic heritage worship him as Bahamut instead. (Stats per p. 21.)

Corellon (UA) --> Aureon (UA). "Corellon" is a god that the Sovereign Host claims is simply another guise for Aureon, God of Law and Knowledge. Corellon is worshiped in the Feywild and is the preferred form for various other fey creatures. Stats and philosophy per p. 21 of PHB.

Erathis (UA) --> Boldrei (LG). "Erathis" is an ancient name for Boldrei from the time before the Dark Six were cast from the pantheon, and is now rarely used. At that time, Erathis was not portrayed as "good"; when the Dark Six were cast out of the pantheon, Erathis was recast as a "good" deity. Some scholarly clerics or purists prefer to worship her in the old form, though it often does not earn them the love of their fellow priests of the Host.

Ioun (UA) --> Aureon (UA). Some dragons worship or follow the teachings of "Ioun", a powerful dragon of knowledge and prophecy. The Sovereign Host declares this too is simply another face for Aureon, though many creatures of draconic heritage prefer to worship Ioun instead.

Kord (UA) --> Dol Dorn (Good). Kord is an ancient name for Dol Dorn from before the time the Dark Six were cast from the pantheon, and is now rarely used. Much as "Erathis", the unaligned god of battle and storms was recast as a "good" deity to separate him from the god that became The Devourer.

Melora (UA) --> Balinor (UA). Melora is a "primitive" god sometimes worshiped by barbarians and others who have not been educated on the Sovereign Host. She is, of course, an aspect of Balinor.

Moradin (LG) --> Onatar (Good). The dwarves, a practical people, believe that Onatar and Moradin are one and the same, and worship him under either name (often as "Onatar, Moradin the Soulforger, hear my prayer..."). The dwarves influence clan and structure more than the average cleric of the Sovereign Host, which is reflected in the traditional dwarven concept of "Moradin."

Pelor (Good) --> Arawai (Good). Pelor is a more forceful, evil-smiting god that does not emphasize Arawai's place in agriculture. He is sometimes worshiped by more martial societies. (Not happy with this one.)

The Raven Queen (UA) --> The Keeper (Evil). The Raven Queen is actually the more common appelation for the Keeper, despite the Sovereign Host's official doctrine. The RQ, when she was "cast out" of the Pantheon, was given evil connotations with the Keeper. However, her name was so firmly entrenched in burial rituals that it has survived as the most common usage. The "Keeper" is often used as a curse, however, in a not entirely consistent fashion: "The Keeper take your soul!"

Sehanine (UA) --> The Traveler (UA). Sehanine is the more natural, primitive version of the Traveler, an ancient name and face for him before he was cast out of the pantheon. She is often still worshiped in this form by creatures linked with the moon and nature, such as shifters and fey creatures, and a good number of thieves and bards prefer to follow her over the more hard-hearted Kol Korran.

Tiamat (Evil) --> Kol Korran (UA). The dragon entity of greed, wealth, envy and corruption was given a face lift by the Sovereign Host and named Kol Korran, emphasizing merchants, trade, and thievery. Some creatures of draconic origin still worship her as Tiamat, though it is rumored that true dragons take umbrage to the appellation.
#2
elrodian
Jun 25, 2008 11:21:25 I think it is good but i do not know where you got the other gods from so that would help me. The only think i did not totaly like was the Raven Queen/Keep. I do not know any thing about the Raven Queen but what i would have said is that they are used equal then have the Raven Queen more common becaues the people who do not worship the Raven Queen/Keep will use the Keep more then the Raven Queen becaue they use it in curses, as you have said. But other then that i think it is real good i just want to know were you got the other names from.
#3
Astos
Jun 25, 2008 11:52:05 Thanks for the reply. I am not sure which the "other" names are, but here are the sources: P. 68 etc. of Eberron Campaign Setting; p. 21 etc. of PHB 4E.
#4
firimar_elerrino
Jun 25, 2008 13:00:11 They're calling Asmodeus a deity these days, I believe.
#5
elrodian
Jun 25, 2008 13:44:20
Thanks for the reply. I am not sure which the "other" names are, but here are the sources: P. 68 etc. of Eberron Campaign Setting; p. 21 etc. of PHB 4E.

well astos i real do not know what PHB ( i know i not that smart am i) so could you spell it out for me
#6
igotsmeakabob
Jun 25, 2008 13:45:22 The fourth edition player's handbook.
#7
elrodian
Jun 25, 2008 13:52:01 thank you

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#1 Astos Jun 25, 2008 10:41:05	I decided to convert/explain/use the 4E deities as part of Eberron. My reasoning is that, according to Keith Baker, there is unlikely to be an extensive line of Eberron published products in 4E (except perhaps on D&D Insider). Instead, most products will be "generic". So most of them will mention the 4E deities. Rather than converting these deities each time, I thought I would throw up some "standard" explanations for names like the "Raven Queen" etc. to be used in a campaign. Also, some of the deities I just frankly like better than the Eberron gods. This is what I came up with; I would appreciate any comments and suggestions from those of you more steeped in Eberron lore than I am. A few qualifiers: I have read or skimmed most Eberron source material, but I did not go back and comb through it when I created this; its more like a rough draft. Also, for the Raven Queen, I frankly just like the idea of the RQ more than the Keeper so I am making her the "primary" in my campaign just as a matter of personal taste. I realize some purists won't like that! Avandra (Good) --> Olladra (Good). The Sovereign Host claims that "Avandra" (stats per p. 21 of PHB) is simply a name given to Olladra by the halfling savages before they learned of the Sovereign Host from human immigrants. She is still worshiped as Avandra by many halfling tribes, while civilized halfings have mostly adopted the "proper" appellation. Bahamut (LG) --> Dol Arrah (LG). Some dragons worship "Bahamut", the Platinum Dragon, a god of justice, protection, nobility, and honor. The Sovereign Host sees this as simply another face for Dol Arrah, the god of Honor and Sacrifice. Many creatures of draconic heritage worship him as Bahamut instead. (Stats per p. 21.) Corellon (UA) --> Aureon (UA). "Corellon" is a god that the Sovereign Host claims is simply another guise for Aureon, God of Law and Knowledge. Corellon is worshiped in the Feywild and is the preferred form for various other fey creatures. Stats and philosophy per p. 21 of PHB. Erathis (UA) --> Boldrei (LG). "Erathis" is an ancient name for Boldrei from the time before the Dark Six were cast from the pantheon, and is now rarely used. At that time, Erathis was not portrayed as "good"; when the Dark Six were cast out of the pantheon, Erathis was recast as a "good" deity. Some scholarly clerics or purists prefer to worship her in the old form, though it often does not earn them the love of their fellow priests of the Host. Ioun (UA) --> Aureon (UA). Some dragons worship or follow the teachings of "Ioun", a powerful dragon of knowledge and prophecy. The Sovereign Host declares this too is simply another face for Aureon, though many creatures of draconic heritage prefer to worship Ioun instead. Kord (UA) --> Dol Dorn (Good). Kord is an ancient name for Dol Dorn from before the time the Dark Six were cast from the pantheon, and is now rarely used. Much as "Erathis", the unaligned god of battle and storms was recast as a "good" deity to separate him from the god that became The Devourer. Melora (UA) --> Balinor (UA). Melora is a "primitive" god sometimes worshiped by barbarians and others who have not been educated on the Sovereign Host. She is, of course, an aspect of Balinor. Moradin (LG) --> Onatar (Good). The dwarves, a practical people, believe that Onatar and Moradin are one and the same, and worship him under either name (often as "Onatar, Moradin the Soulforger, hear my prayer..."). The dwarves influence clan and structure more than the average cleric of the Sovereign Host, which is reflected in the traditional dwarven concept of "Moradin." Pelor (Good) --> Arawai (Good). Pelor is a more forceful, evil-smiting god that does not emphasize Arawai's place in agriculture. He is sometimes worshiped by more martial societies. (Not happy with this one.) The Raven Queen (UA) --> The Keeper (Evil). The Raven Queen is actually the more common appelation for the Keeper, despite the Sovereign Host's official doctrine. The RQ, when she was "cast out" of the Pantheon, was given evil connotations with the Keeper. However, her name was so firmly entrenched in burial rituals that it has survived as the most common usage. The "Keeper" is often used as a curse, however, in a not entirely consistent fashion: "The Keeper take your soul!" Sehanine (UA) --> The Traveler (UA). Sehanine is the more natural, primitive version of the Traveler, an ancient name and face for him before he was cast out of the pantheon. She is often still worshiped in this form by creatures linked with the moon and nature, such as shifters and fey creatures, and a good number of thieves and bards prefer to follow her over the more hard-hearted Kol Korran. Tiamat (Evil) --> Kol Korran (UA). The dragon entity of greed, wealth, envy and corruption was given a face lift by the Sovereign Host and named Kol Korran, emphasizing merchants, trade, and thievery. Some creatures of draconic origin still worship her as Tiamat, though it is rumored that true dragons take umbrage to the appellation.
#2 elrodian Jun 25, 2008 11:21:25	I think it is good but i do not know where you got the other gods from so that would help me. The only think i did not totaly like was the Raven Queen/Keep. I do not know any thing about the Raven Queen but what i would have said is that they are used equal then have the Raven Queen more common becaues the people who do not worship the Raven Queen/Keep will use the Keep more then the Raven Queen becaue they use it in curses, as you have said. But other then that i think it is real good i just want to know were you got the other names from.
#3 Astos Jun 25, 2008 11:52:05	Thanks for the reply. I am not sure which the "other" names are, but here are the sources: P. 68 etc. of Eberron Campaign Setting; p. 21 etc. of PHB 4E.
#4 firimar_elerrino Jun 25, 2008 13:00:11	They're calling Asmodeus a deity these days, I believe.
#5 elrodian Jun 25, 2008 13:44:20	Thanks for the reply. I am not sure which the "other" names are, but here are the sources: P. 68 etc. of Eberron Campaign Setting; p. 21 etc. of PHB 4E. well astos i real do not know what PHB ( i know i not that smart am i) so could you spell it out for me
#6 igotsmeakabob Jun 25, 2008 13:45:22	The fourth edition player's handbook.
#7 elrodian Jun 25, 2008 13:52:01	thank you