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Warforged + Resurrection = Memory Wipe?

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#1
cleoneh
Jan 04, 2009 13:13:37 There are some information floating around the web talking about the life span of a warforged and how they go inert instead of dying. Then after being inert for a long period of time (I believe the post said as long as the warforged was "alive") that he becomes active with his memory wiped.

When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory?
#2
eldritch_lord
Jan 04, 2009 14:37:48
When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory?

Flavor-wise, that depends how long a "long period of time" is. You can probably save the memory if you get to it quickly enough, but if you leave it too long it will decay.

Mechanically speaking, it's the same as any other character with the time limits on resurrection as to what the spells can bring back--the difference is that with an organic it's "Sorry, he's been dead too long, the soul can't use the body anymore" where with a warforged it's "Sorry, the soul can get in just fine but he's been mindwiped down to factory conditions."
#3
salla
Jan 04, 2009 14:54:51
There are some information floating around the web talking about the life span of a warforged and how they go inert instead of dying. Then after being inert for a long period of time (I believe the post said as long as the warforged was "alive") that he becomes active with his memory wiped.

When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory?

No. The warforged comes back exactly as the ritual that returned him to life says he does. If it wouldn't happen to a human, it doesn't happen to a warforged.
#4
Gilo
Jan 04, 2009 16:34:48 In the novel Hyperion there is a nice story about a Warfoged (or a cybrid - as they are called in the book) that hire a private detective to investigate the murder of his self. tho his memory was loaded from backup - hes missing the five days of memory.

should make an interesting adventure hook.
#5
salla
Jan 05, 2009 12:37:13
In the novel Hyperion there is a nice story about a Warfoged (or a cybrid - as they are called in the book) that hire a private detective to investigate the murder of his self. tho his memory was loaded from backup - hes missing the five days of memory.

should make an interesting adventure hook.

Warforged are not robots. They do not have 'backups'.
#6
Gilo
Jan 05, 2009 13:04:50
Warforged are not robots. They do not have 'backups'.

The book is a science-fiction novel and not a fantasy Eberron novel but you can still make an Eberron analogy - flavor something like the Final Messenger component.
#7
Talae
Jan 05, 2009 15:03:17 Makes me think "Blade Runner" and I have used similar concepts in the past with Final Messengers.
#8
goblin_pride
Jan 05, 2009 15:24:26
When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory?

Warforged don't die, they go inert. You can only resurrect a creature that has died. Inert warforged just need a quick bit of repair and they're not inert anymore.
#9
Talae
Jan 05, 2009 16:16:46 The way that I ran the memory loss thing, was when a particular warforged went inert for an extended amount of time (think decades) the most recent memories left the body via a Final Messenger.

The party came across the Warforged and repaired it only to find out that the Warforged didn't remember what happened to cause him to go inert. The party then gained an NPC companion and were on an adventure hook.
#10
famoth83
Jan 10, 2009 15:46:47 Warforged can die, they just don't treat the state of dying like other people.

In 3.5 they couldn't bleed to death. That means they could take one standard actions without penalty at zero hit points, and were effectively stabilized when in the dying range of negative hit points. Without natural healing, they were effectively inert in this "dying" stage unless healed. They still die when they meet or exceed the right value of negative hit points.

In 4.0, similar mechanics still apply. When in the state of "dying" they can never roll less 10 on the die, meaning without some penalty to saving throws being applied, they can't die. They are not necessarily inert forever without assistance if they still have healing surges since statically they will eventually roll a twenty. NPC warforged only have a handful of healing surges though (one per tier) and since you can't regain healing surges when dying they can remain inert in the "dying" condition indefinitely. They still die when they meet or exceed the right value of negative hit points.
#11
imurrx
Sep 30, 2009 23:06:35
My Fighter(5)/Warforged Jugernaut(4) died in in combat the other night. We are trying to figure out how to bring him back. Unfortunatly the WFJ gains at 3rd level becomes immune to the effects from the healting sub school. Since resurrection is part of that school, is the warforged juggernaut still subject to that when he is dead (-11 hp)?

If so, what other options do we have to save this guy.
#12
AvonRekaes
Oct 01, 2009 12:00:12
Imurrx, I believe there was some specific errata spelling out that Warforged Juggernaughts could be raised or ressurected. Try looking through the 3.5 errata updates for it.

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#1 cleoneh Jan 04, 2009 13:13:37	There are some information floating around the web talking about the life span of a warforged and how they go inert instead of dying. Then after being inert for a long period of time (I believe the post said as long as the warforged was "alive") that he becomes active with his memory wiped. When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory?
#2 eldritch_lord Jan 04, 2009 14:37:48	When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory? Flavor-wise, that depends how long a "long period of time" is. You can probably save the memory if you get to it quickly enough, but if you leave it too long it will decay. Mechanically speaking, it's the same as any other character with the time limits on resurrection as to what the spells can bring back--the difference is that with an organic it's "Sorry, he's been dead too long, the soul can't use the body anymore" where with a warforged it's "Sorry, the soul can get in just fine but he's been mindwiped down to factory conditions."
#3 salla Jan 04, 2009 14:54:51	There are some information floating around the web talking about the life span of a warforged and how they go inert instead of dying. Then after being inert for a long period of time (I believe the post said as long as the warforged was "alive") that he becomes active with his memory wiped. When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory? No. The warforged comes back exactly as the ritual that returned him to life says he does. If it wouldn't happen to a human, it doesn't happen to a warforged.
#4 Gilo Jan 04, 2009 16:34:48	In the novel Hyperion there is a nice story about a Warfoged (or a cybrid - as they are called in the book) that hire a private detective to investigate the murder of his self. tho his memory was loaded from backup - hes missing the five days of memory. should make an interesting adventure hook.
#5 salla Jan 05, 2009 12:37:13	In the novel Hyperion there is a nice story about a Warfoged (or a cybrid - as they are called in the book) that hire a private detective to investigate the murder of his self. tho his memory was loaded from backup - hes missing the five days of memory. should make an interesting adventure hook. Warforged are not robots. They do not have 'backups'.
#6 Gilo Jan 05, 2009 13:04:50	Warforged are not robots. They do not have 'backups'. The book is a science-fiction novel and not a fantasy Eberron novel but you can still make an Eberron analogy - flavor something like the Final Messenger component.
#7 Talae Jan 05, 2009 15:03:17	Makes me think "Blade Runner" and I have used similar concepts in the past with Final Messengers.
#8 goblin_pride Jan 05, 2009 15:24:26	When a warforged dies from taking damage it says he goes inert, so does that mean that when a warforged is resurrected that he comes back at lvl 1 with no memory? Warforged don't die, they go inert. You can only resurrect a creature that has died. Inert warforged just need a quick bit of repair and they're not inert anymore.
#9 Talae Jan 05, 2009 16:16:46	The way that I ran the memory loss thing, was when a particular warforged went inert for an extended amount of time (think decades) the most recent memories left the body via a Final Messenger. The party came across the Warforged and repaired it only to find out that the Warforged didn't remember what happened to cause him to go inert. The party then gained an NPC companion and were on an adventure hook.
#10 famoth83 Jan 10, 2009 15:46:47	Warforged can die, they just don't treat the state of dying like other people. In 3.5 they couldn't bleed to death. That means they could take one standard actions without penalty at zero hit points, and were effectively stabilized when in the dying range of negative hit points. Without natural healing, they were effectively inert in this "dying" stage unless healed. They still die when they meet or exceed the right value of negative hit points. In 4.0, similar mechanics still apply. When in the state of "dying" they can never roll less 10 on the die, meaning without some penalty to saving throws being applied, they can't die. They are not necessarily inert forever without assistance if they still have healing surges since statically they will eventually roll a twenty. NPC warforged only have a handful of healing surges though (one per tier) and since you can't regain healing surges when dying they can remain inert in the "dying" condition indefinitely. They still die when they meet or exceed the right value of negative hit points.
#11 imurrx Sep 30, 2009 23:06:35	My Fighter(5)/Warforged Jugernaut(4) died in in combat the other night. We are trying to figure out how to bring him back. Unfortunatly the WFJ gains at 3rd level becomes immune to the effects from the healting sub school. Since resurrection is part of that school, is the warforged juggernaut still subject to that when he is dead (-11 hp)? If so, what other options do we have to save this guy.
#12 AvonRekaes Oct 01, 2009 12:00:12	Imurrx, I believe there was some specific errata spelling out that Warforged Juggernaughts could be raised or ressurected. Try looking through the 3.5 errata updates for it.