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1. Illusionist Wizard 2. ??? 3. Harper of Legend

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#1
jefgodesky
Oct 25, 2008 17:46:16 My campaign is reaching the end of the heroic tier, and I have a wizard character with a lot of the illusion powers from the "Class Acts" article in Dragon #364. She wants to get the Harper of Legend epic destiny ("Epic Faerun, Dragon #367), but isn't sure about a paragon path yet. I don't feel up to designing a fully balanced, home-brewed Harper Mage paragone path, and of course, no Harper paragon paths have come out yet. I don't mind making her Harper affiliation something that happens outside of the class definition, and neither does she, but she wants a good paragon path that will bridge those two parts of her character arc, and I don't know what to tell her. Any suggestions?
#2
kainhighwind
Oct 25, 2008 17:51:14 First things I came across are the Silverstar, Simbarch of Aglarond, and the Spellguard Wizard. Also, that wizard paragon path from the PH that dealt with fey, it's names escape me
#3
Diffan
Oct 26, 2008 3:33:48 Maybe I could help you out. I considered converting the Harper Agent prestige class (from Player's Guide to Faerun) to a paragon path, but I'm not sure if it would convert well, seeing as many of it's class features dealt with deities and such. Of course, there are other nice prestige classes in 3e that can be converted, just list a few and I'll see if it's possible. If you can't, then i'll try my hand at the Harper Agent conversion or something similiar (weren't there various PrCs dealing with Harpers?).
#4
jefgodesky
Oct 26, 2008 9:10:41 The Harper Mage prestige class from Magic of Faerun would be the most helpful for me, personally, if that's something you feel motivated to undertake. There were several Harper-affiliated prestige classes throughout the 3.x books, and I'd say the Harper Agent (which became the Harper Scout in 3.5) would probably be the most widely-applicable, so I could hardly blame you for taking on that one instead of the mage.

Do you have any principles or guidelines you use when converting a prestige class to a paragon path? Maybe just some tips might be enough that I could do the Harper Mage myself.
#5
Diffan
Oct 26, 2008 10:37:21
The Harper Mage prestige class from Magic of Faerun would be the most helpful for me, personally, if that's something you feel motivated to undertake. There were several Harper-affiliated prestige classes throughout the 3.x books, and I'd say the Harper Agent (which became the Harper Scout in 3.5) would probably be the most widely-applicable, so I could hardly blame you for taking on that one instead of the mage.

Ah yes, now I remember the Harper Mage. I also believe there was an exalted Harper class and the Harper Mage as well. I'll look into them.

Do you have any principles or guidelines you use when converting a prestige class to a paragon path? Maybe just some tips might be enough that I could do the Harper Mage myself.

Well, I've mostly been going with two things;

First- Take into account what the original Prestige class did and
Second- Use the Player's Handbook and FR Player's Guide as a template

Most paragon paths will have a Path Feature that deals with spending an action point and also, if the path feature deals with gaining bonuses to your skills, then you might want to incorporate 3 11th level features. As far as Attack and Utility Powers go, some conversions have "built-in" ideas that will practically speak for themselves but other sources to find ideas from can be from 3.x Feats and Spells. For ideas and examples, you can find a bunch of my conversions at the Homebrew Paragon Paths and Epic Destinies thread.
#6
jefgodesky
Oct 26, 2008 13:33:15 I took a stab at implementing a Harper Mage, combining some of (what I felt to be) the appropriate elements from the Simbarch, Spellguard Wizard, Wizard of the Spiral Tower, and even a feature from the Wandering Swordmage paragon paths. I think this will do for my own needs. If anyone else finds it useful, I'm happy to share it. Feel free to copy, post, change, fold, spindle or mutilate as you will.
#7
Diffan
Oct 26, 2008 15:02:12
I took a stab at implementing a Harper Mage, combining some of (what I felt to be) the appropriate elements from the Simbarch, Spellguard Wizard, Wizard of the Spiral Tower, and even a feature from the Wandering Swordmage paragon paths. I think this will do for my own needs. If anyone else finds it useful, I'm happy to share it. Feel free to copy, post, change, fold, spindle or mutilate as you will.

Well, first I'd have to say that i'm impressed by it's presentation. Just...wow. For the path features, they're all pretty good though I might add the following to the end of Harper Knowledge: "...but you must use the second roll, even if it is lower than the first."

As for the powers, I don't know if there would be a balance issue with the 20th level power being a Utility. I'd probably try to make it an attack but maybe include many creatures within it's range, like a Burst or Blast because Silver Fire only attacks 1 creature.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jefgodesky Oct 25, 2008 17:46:16	My campaign is reaching the end of the heroic tier, and I have a wizard character with a lot of the illusion powers from the "Class Acts" article in Dragon #364. She wants to get the Harper of Legend epic destiny ("Epic Faerun, Dragon #367), but isn't sure about a paragon path yet. I don't feel up to designing a fully balanced, home-brewed Harper Mage paragone path, and of course, no Harper paragon paths have come out yet. I don't mind making her Harper affiliation something that happens outside of the class definition, and neither does she, but she wants a good paragon path that will bridge those two parts of her character arc, and I don't know what to tell her. Any suggestions?
#2 kainhighwind Oct 25, 2008 17:51:14	First things I came across are the Silverstar, Simbarch of Aglarond, and the Spellguard Wizard. Also, that wizard paragon path from the PH that dealt with fey, it's names escape me
#3 Diffan Oct 26, 2008 3:33:48	Maybe I could help you out. I considered converting the Harper Agent prestige class (from Player's Guide to Faerun) to a paragon path, but I'm not sure if it would convert well, seeing as many of it's class features dealt with deities and such. Of course, there are other nice prestige classes in 3e that can be converted, just list a few and I'll see if it's possible. If you can't, then i'll try my hand at the Harper Agent conversion or something similiar (weren't there various PrCs dealing with Harpers?).
#4 jefgodesky Oct 26, 2008 9:10:41	The Harper Mage prestige class from Magic of Faerun would be the most helpful for me, personally, if that's something you feel motivated to undertake. There were several Harper-affiliated prestige classes throughout the 3.x books, and I'd say the Harper Agent (which became the Harper Scout in 3.5) would probably be the most widely-applicable, so I could hardly blame you for taking on that one instead of the mage. Do you have any principles or guidelines you use when converting a prestige class to a paragon path? Maybe just some tips might be enough that I could do the Harper Mage myself.
#5 Diffan Oct 26, 2008 10:37:21	The Harper Mage prestige class from Magic of Faerun would be the most helpful for me, personally, if that's something you feel motivated to undertake. There were several Harper-affiliated prestige classes throughout the 3.x books, and I'd say the Harper Agent (which became the Harper Scout in 3.5) would probably be the most widely-applicable, so I could hardly blame you for taking on that one instead of the mage. Ah yes, now I remember the Harper Mage. I also believe there was an exalted Harper class and the Harper Mage as well. I'll look into them. Do you have any principles or guidelines you use when converting a prestige class to a paragon path? Maybe just some tips might be enough that I could do the Harper Mage myself. Well, I've mostly been going with two things; First- Take into account what the original Prestige class did and Second- Use the Player's Handbook and FR Player's Guide as a template Most paragon paths will have a Path Feature that deals with spending an action point and also, if the path feature deals with gaining bonuses to your skills, then you might want to incorporate 3 11th level features. As far as Attack and Utility Powers go, some conversions have "built-in" ideas that will practically speak for themselves but other sources to find ideas from can be from 3.x Feats and Spells. For ideas and examples, you can find a bunch of my conversions at the Homebrew Paragon Paths and Epic Destinies thread.
#6 jefgodesky Oct 26, 2008 13:33:15	I took a stab at implementing a Harper Mage, combining some of (what I felt to be) the appropriate elements from the Simbarch, Spellguard Wizard, Wizard of the Spiral Tower, and even a feature from the Wandering Swordmage paragon paths. I think this will do for my own needs. If anyone else finds it useful, I'm happy to share it. Feel free to copy, post, change, fold, spindle or mutilate as you will.
#7 Diffan Oct 26, 2008 15:02:12	I took a stab at implementing a Harper Mage, combining some of (what I felt to be) the appropriate elements from the Simbarch, Spellguard Wizard, Wizard of the Spiral Tower, and even a feature from the Wandering Swordmage paragon paths. I think this will do for my own needs. If anyone else finds it useful, I'm happy to share it. Feel free to copy, post, change, fold, spindle or mutilate as you will. Well, first I'd have to say that i'm impressed by it's presentation. Just...wow. For the path features, they're all pretty good though I might add the following to the end of Harper Knowledge: "...but you must use the second roll, even if it is lower than the first." As for the powers, I don't know if there would be a balance issue with the 20th level power being a Utility. I'd probably try to make it an attack but maybe include many creatures within it's range, like a Burst or Blast because Silver Fire only attacks 1 creature.