I'm a new Realms player so I have almost nothing invested in the "old realms" and that has a lot to do with it as well I admit.
I'm a 4E convert. Personally, one reason I'm on board with the "new" realms is because I'm a 4E player/DM now, and I'm not really interested in going back. That being said, the books are going to be written for the system I play, and using them will require less conversion than using the old books. The FR Players Guide will give me ready made 4E crunch from somebody who designs games better than I do.
I'm a new Realms player so I have almost nothing invested in the "old realms" and that has a lot to do with it as well I admit.
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE. :P
-RW
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE. :P
So, if constant reiteration of the same statement makes him a possible WotC spy, then what does that make the die-hard Realms fans that do the exact same thing in most threads, except laced with insults?
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE. :P
-RW
I begin a game tonight that I will be using FR as a setting for. I'm thinking I'm going to add this forum to my usual haunts on the WotC boards. I'm just stating my opinion, which if I continue here will continue and most likely be consistent.
So, if constant reiteration of the same statement makes him a possible WotC spy, then what does that make the die-hard Realms fans that do the exact same thing in most threads, except laced with insults?
It makes them broken records if they're not changing what they're saying to add to the thread. My point here was more that he created a thread, saying essentially this. and once it hit two pages, made a second one repeating himself. It was a joke regardless, but based on an observation of something silly IMO.
Feel free to take a crack at the OP of a thread that posts "I hate the 4e realms and will never play in it" and then make another thread that says "I will never play in the 4E Realms because i hate it". I don't think two threads are needed to say the exact same thing :P.
-RW
I begin a game tonight that I will be using FR as a setting for. I'm thinking I'm going to add this forum to my usual haunts on the WotC boards. I'm just stating my opinion, which if I continue here will continue and most likely be consistent.
Mix it up at least. We now all know you like it. Start threads on aspects and why, or ask questions of the other fans. Don't start a thread simply to make a statement.
-RW
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Mix it up at least. We now all know you like it. Start threads on aspects and why, or ask questions of the other fans. Don't start a thread simply to make a statement.
-RW
I don't have the books yet, and I haven't read the 3E books since I borrowed them years ago. I just wanted to say something now. I'll have different things to say when I get the books.
Mix it up at least. We now all know you like it. Start threads on aspects and why, or ask questions of the other fans. Don't start a thread simply to make a statement.
-RW
-Yes please we don't need any more flame wars. ;) To some people it seems like you are trying to rub it in.
We understand you like the 4E FR. 
I like parts of the 4E Realms.18DELTA
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE. :P
-RW
Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
-Yes please we don't need any more flame wars. ;) To some people it seems like you are trying to rub it in.
18DELTA
Is liking 4E and the 4E realms a sore spot?
Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
Well we could, but it wouldn't apply to me. My posts differ in their remarks, and their points. At times the undertone may be similar, but it you can read you'll note the example I gave. It's ok if you're easily confused though. ;)
-RW
I'm with thecasualoblivion that it does look decent and I too posted elsewhere I liked the 4E Realm book and stayed away from anything Realms related 3E or before. So while I can't compare it faults or merits in comparison to previous versions I can say I like the level of information given to me in this new book. It detailed enough that it let's me run with whatever I want and sparce enough I don't have to contend with fighting with player's over the history of the realms. All and all as a stand alone product it works for someone who had no interest in the Realms beforehand and I likely pickup that new module coming out and see what my group thinks of the setting.
This is how people should express their pro 4eRealms sentiment.
Have a
Wow, talk about the pot calling the kettle black...
Thats a bit of a misrepresentation, don'tcha think?
I personally liken 4E FR to Ron Moore's BSG, a reimagining. That doesn't necessarily make it any worse in my mind but gives me a new, but familiar story to enjoy and has me eager to run my second FR campaign.
So from my POV 4E FR is a big win, it has a long term DM returning to the Realms as his setting of choice
Is liking 4E and the 4E realms a sore spot?
-To me no like what ever you want to like. Heck you could like Hackmaster for all I care. We get the point you like the 4E Realms. I got no problem with that. I dont like alot of the changes, yet I am willing to give it a try. :P To some people it may be a sore spot. I don't know I am not them, and I really can't answer for then. Sorry but your posts and threads seem kinda "trollish" No offence meant, but it seems that you are rubbing it in to some people. (perspective). I look forward to seeing you post in this forum. I look forward to posting in your threads that are looking for usefull Realmslore. :D
18DELTA
-To me no like what ever you want to like. Heck you could like Hackmaster for all I care. We get the point you like the 4E Realms. I got no problem with that. I dont like alot of the changes, yet I am willing to give it a try. :P To some people it may be a sore spot. I don't know I am not them, and I really can't answer for then. Sorry but your posts and threads seem kinda "trollish" No offence meant, but it seems that you are rubbing it in to some people. (perspective). I look forward to seeing you post in this forum. I look forward to posting in your threads that are looking for usefull Realmslore. :D
18DELTA
Did you breath at all while saying that?
Did you breath at all while saying that?
-Yes! :P
18DELTA :D
I'm a longtime FR fan and I have to say the 4e Realms is a breath of fresh air. Getting people to play in the Realms when they weren't already fans was nigh impossible for me until 4e came out. Win/win and kudos to WotC from me.
You lie, I started in the FR in 2002, decades after the setting first appeared and I NEVER EVER had any problems with it. 4e is like diet food, and I don't like diet food.
To be fair, it may have been so for him. However, that doesn't mean it was the case for everyone - I certainly never had any problems with it.
His premise was that it is difficult to enter the realms as a new player, just one counterexample invalidates his theory, which was what I did, using me as an example.
His premise was that it is difficult to enter the realms as a new player, just one counterexample invalidates his theory, which was what I did, using me as an example.
You are treating a casual observation and personal experience as a logical premise to be argued.
-It's all about having fun with friends at a table rolling dice, worshipping fictious Gods, slaying magical beasts, and freeing the village from the Evil Warlord :D
18DELTA
You lie, I started in the FR in 2002, decades after the setting first appeared and I NEVER EVER had any problems with it. 4e is like diet food, and I don't like diet food.
...Did I say everyone? Foolish to assume...
His premise was that it is difficult to enter the realms as a new player, just one counterexample invalidates his theory, which was what I did, using me as an example.
You assume to know what I was trying to say? Try reading it again. I said it was hard for me to find players and that it is for me a good change.
Again.
-Thats a good personal example. To Some people the Realms have been a stumbling block to them. It's all a matter of perspective. I started playing D&D in the Realms in 1996 when I was stationed in Korea. I never had a problem with the lore, Gilbert who was the DM of that crazy little group had a good grasp on the setting and started me on my way. I personally think that we as Realms Fans should be better teacher's of the setting, yet accept that not everybody will love or like the Realms as we like them. And accept the fact that people will want to change things as they see fit in their games.
18DELTA
Behold truth. This is what I'm saying. Also, still in the Service?
Edit; I love FR an it has never been a problem for me. Finding players and others who are as vested or wanting to be is my problem. 4e has fixed this for me, and for that I'm thankful.
I'm a 4E convert. Personally, one reason I'm on board with the "new" realms is because I'm a 4E player/DM now, and I'm not really interested in going back. That being said, the books are going to be written for the system I play, and using them will require less conversion than using the old books. The FR Players Guide will give me ready made 4E crunch from somebody who designs games better than I do.
I'm a new Realms player so I have almost nothing invested in the "old realms" and that has a lot to do with it as well I admit.
This I call pragmatism. In a good way. You seem to see the setting in the same way as I do. Just as an usable and not overblown aid for your roleplaying games. The adventure and the PCs are the center. The FR setting is just an useful and fluffy add-on, nothing more.
His premise was that it is difficult to enter the realms as a new player, just one counterexample invalidates his theory, which was what I did, using me as an example.
I realize what you were getting at - however, the right way to say it is "That is incorrect" or "That is a fallacy." Saying "That is a lie" carries the indication that the poster knows otherwise, but is saying so anyway.
I realize what you were getting at - however, the right way to say it is "That is incorrect" or "That is a fallacy." Saying "That is a lie" carries the indication that the poster knows otherwise, but is saying so anyway.
Because the poster indeed knows otherwise is that I said lie instead of the other options you mentioned.
Now, what are the issues again?
Thank Bejebuz this thread is still alive. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to find a "I love 4e/I hate 4e" thread to take part in.
Now, what are the issues again?
Complete recap: Some people hate the stinky 4E Realms, and some people love the stinky 4E Realms. ;)
Complete recap: Some people hate the stinky 4E Realms, and some people love the stinky 4E Realms. ;)
What?!!! How is that possible?!
Reviled and loved at the same time? I don't understand.
What?!!! How is that possible?!
Reviled and loved at the same time? I don't understand.
Well, it's a secret, but the ones who love the new Realms were all bribed with large portions of delicious caramel custard.
Well, it's a secret, but the ones who love the new Realms were all bribed with large portions of delicious caramel custard.
Caramel and custard at the same time?
I don't understand!
Bel
What Therise, my esteemed colleague is trying to say is there are those with a modicum of imagination that see the potential of the new Realms and then there are those who don't.
Bel
Naw. That's too intelligent of a statement for me. I'm just a Dookie.
Naw. That's too intelligent of a statement for me. I'm just a Dookie.
Then how did you get to be a Judge?
Bel
Then how did you get to be a Judge?
Bel
Because I new someone in the Chicago correctional system.
Now shut the hell up before I hold you in contempt of this board!
Well, it's a secret, but the ones who love the new Realms were all bribed with large portions of delicious caramel custard.
Wait wait wait. I was promised punch and pie.
What is going to be truly interesting is to see what effect the RPGA has on the FR community.
-Check out the Living Forgotten Realms section.
Naw. That's too intelligent of a statement for me. I'm just a Dookie.
Because I new someone in the Chicago correctional system.
Now shut the hell up before I hold you in contempt of this board!
-See. He 'new' someone.
Caramel and custard at the same time?
I don't understand!
Well, this, with a nice cup of coffee.
What Therise, my esteemed colleague is trying to say is there are those with a modicum of imagination that see the potential of the new Realms and then there are those who don't.
Bel
I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.
Wait wait wait. I was promised punch and pie.
That was round one. If you didn't get it then, your pie voucher is no longer valid. Sorry.
What Therise, my esteemed colleague is trying to say is there are those with a modicum of imagination that see the potential of the new Realms and then there are those who don't.
Bel
And fortunately a modicum of imagination is all that's needed to run the 4E Realms. Imagine what would happen if they asked for more. Dare I say 3.x? :P ;)
-RW
I'm pretty sure that wasn't it.
Really? Wow!
And fortunately a modicum of imagination is all that's needed to run the 4E Realms. Imagine what would happen if they asked for more. Dare I say 3.x?
:P ;)
No imagination needed for 3.x, it was all laid out for you.
Bel
No imagination needed for 3.x, it was all laid out for you.
Wait... I thought 3.x was too complex and confusing, and needed to be simplified in order to be playable. Now it's that it was too simple because everything was taken care of for us?
-See. He 'new' someone.
Watch it, bub. I don’t point out every typo you make.
…well, I do when it applies to the point like this one did.
Damn.
Well, this, with a nice cup of coffee.
That’s just gross, woman.
I’d rather see Kermit the Frog frolicking in a damn wheat field than eat that.
Wait... I thought 3.x was too complex and confusing, and needed to be simplified in order to be playable. Now it's that it was too simple because everything was taken care of for us?
I surely hope this is sarcasm. But, if not, I wouldn’t say it was too complex or confusing as simply too vast for some. You’d have to visit Karsus’s library just to obtain all the info you needed to run it.
Or some would say.
No imagination needed for 3.x, it was all laid out for you.
Bel
Wait... I thought 3.x was too complex and confusing, and needed to be simplified in order to be playable. Now it's that it was too simple because everything was taken care of for us?
Let me put it another way, the editions are a test and 4E is an essay question and 3.x is multiple choice.
Bel
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE.
I'm fairly certain that ALL the new posters around here evangelizing the glory of 4e are WotC employees who don't want to be looking for work next year. ;)
I think they even hired 'ringers' to buy up 4e books from them at GenCon, just so they wouldn't be embarrassed. I heard from someone they saw lots of people walking around with stacks of the 4e books at the con.
I used to know a lot of Carnies, and they used to have their kids (10-14) walk around with HUGE stuffed animals, and telling everyone how easy it was for them to win it.
Its an old gimmick. :D
No imagination needed for 3.x, it was all laid out for you.
Bel
You needed imagination for 3.x, and for 4e, you only need it because the Fluff for skills and such are so horrible. Don't believe me? Look at "Bloody Path".
I surely hope this is sarcasm. But, if not, I wouldn’t say it was too complex or confusing as simply too vast for some. You’d have to visit Karsus’s library just to obtain all the info you needed to run it.
-I'm pretty sure it was. ;)
-My library isn't as impressive as some would think, though. Only two bookshelves (though, I do have all of my novels crammed in there, lying flat instead of side by side, to increase maximum capacity).
That’s just gross, woman.
I’d rather see Kermit the Frog frolicking in a damn wheat field than eat that.
Huh, well... okay. Unfortunately I can't find one with Kermie in a wheat field, but I can provide one where Kermit's in a bear's natural habitat (a Studebaker). So here ya go: Kermieeee!
:D
-I'm pretty sure it was. ;)
-My library isn't as impressive as some would think, though. Only two bookshelves (though, I do have all of my novels crammed in there, lying flat instead of side by side, to increase maximum capacity).
Much like my closet. And if all the Playboy's weren't crammed in there, I might have things organized.
Huh, well... okay. Unfortunately I can't find one with Kermie in a wheat field, but I can provide one where Kermit's in a bear's natural habitat (a Studebaker). So here ya go: Kermieeee!
:D
Honey, you're like Dex--except for searching YouTube. I'm just gonna put your pretty ass on a shelf and forego Google for a few months.
No offense, but you're starting to sound like an undercover WoTC member. You've made two threads to tell everyone how you love the new Realms, didn't like the old Realms, and will now be playing the 4e Version. No questions attached, just a constant reiteration of the same facts. EVERYWHERE. :P
-RW
I want to be excited about running a game in the forgotten realms. When I pop on this forum, it feels like 80% of the posts are how 4e has killed the Realms and is now violating the rotting corpse.
Seriously, don’t discourage the man. Without him, I’d likely avoid the forum entirely.
I want to be excited about running a game in the forgotten realms. When I pop on this forum, it feels like 80% of the posts are how 4e has killed the Realms and is now violating the rotting corpse.
Seriously, don’t discourage the man. Without him, I’d likely avoid the forum entirely.
Please be thorough before pointing fingers. If you had read further, you would see that RW encouraged him to talk about what he likes. He was just pointing out a breach in forum etiquette.
What Therise, my esteemed colleague is trying to say is there are those with a modicum of imagination that see the potential of the new Realms and then there are those who don't.
Seeing potential in the new Realms isn't the same as liking it. What setting doesn't have any potential at all?
I want to be excited about running a game in the forgotten realms. When I pop on this forum, it feels like 80% of the posts are how 4e has killed the Realms and is now violating the rotting corpse.
Seriously, don’t discourage the man. Without him, I’d likely avoid the forum entirely.
You say that like it's a bad thing!
:P
Admit it, you had that coming.
OP; It is, contrary to minority belief here on the boards, okay to like the 4e version of the Realms. Please feel free to ask, comment and address the people on these boards. Not all of us are here to ***** and whine.
It's nice to see so much hijacking in this thread... can we get back to the subject at hand and forgo the hating please, thanks.
OP; It is, contrary to minority belief here on the boards, okay to like the 4e version of the Realms. Please feel free to ask, comment and address the people on these boards. Not all of us are here to ***** and whine.
Yeesh, don't be all poopy about Kermit the Frog. Have a little community fun, and I get accused of "***** and whine".
Yeesh, don't be all poopy about Kermit the Frog. Have a little community fun, and I get accused of "***** and whine".
Kermit. Wheat field = Tranquility.
krownhunter07. Thread = discontentment.
-Both of you stop, or I'll arrange to have everyone beaten.
Just in case, my safe word is "Spellplague". ;)
-Both of you stop, or I'll arrange to have everyone beaten.
Punk.
Just in case, my safe word is "Spellplague". ;)
And I told you to shut up with that!
And I told you to shut up with that!
:P
-Both of you stop, or I'll arrange to have everyone beaten.
Actually i would appreciate it if you did that, 4th edition lured me back to the game and my love of the Realms lured me to these forums but I am starting to get tired of the pettiness and immature attitude and consider it a distraction. Fine I understand some are upset but this garbage is going on in just about every thread and it makes me question whether or not this is a community i wish to be a part of.
While i understand and respect their right express there dislike in the new product they have no right to overide darn near every thread like they are.
Can anyone recommend some good forums where the disgruntled are at least mature enough not hihjack every damn thread?
To the original poster:
Is there any location in particular that screams at you: "Oh yeah! I have to start them here." ?
Can anyone recommend some good forums where the disgruntled are at least mature enough not hihjack every damn thread?
Hm... the Eberron boards?
-ANYWAY...[Hint Hint]
:P
Actually i would appreciate it if you did that, 4th edition lured me back to the game and my love of the Realms lured me to these forums but I am starting to get tired of the pettiness and immature attitude and consider it a distraction. Fine I understand some are upset but this garbage is going on in just about every thread and it makes me question whether or not this is a community i wish to be a part of.
While i understand and respect their right express there dislike in the new product they have no right to overide darn near every thread like they are.
Can anyone recommend some good forums where the disgruntled are at least mature enough not hihjack every damn thread?
To the original poster:
Is there any location in particular that screams at you: "Oh yeah! I have to start them here." ?
Um...we a bunch of 'tards. Want intelligence? Visit another forum. I mean, we love intelligence around here, but it is simply second priority.
Either way--welcome. Hope you stick. :D