Also any mention about 4e Fey'ri?
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they also said that the 4e tief would only fit in in narfell.
I think they said no, the FR GH tieflings would stay the same as it states them in races of faerun.
they also said that the 4e tief would only fit in in narfell.
Sorry for the ignorance here but what does GH stand for?
I can't remember where, but I think I read that Eladrin are supposed to be spell plagued humans??? I hope not, better they are Sun and Moon elves that are more in touch with their Fey ancestors then their cousins, the Elves (wood, wild, etc...)
Before we blow this out of the water, I'm fairly certain they will all be called elves still (could be wrong though) and the biggest difference will be fluff instead of crunch (although I can see sub-race like racial feats to help make each distinct from the other... that seems kind of cool now that I think about it...).
I hope they cover Fey'ri as well, I think they are distanced from elves enough to make it possible. Not sure if winged elves will make the muster...
I can't remember where, but I think I read that Eladrin are supposed to be spell plagued humans??? I hope not, better they are Sun and Moon elves that are more in touch with their Fey ancestors then their cousins, the Elves (wood, wild, etc...)
-Eladrin are going to be, mechanically, Sun, Moon and Star Elves. To the people of Faerûn, however, the Sun, Moon and Star Elves are still going to be known as Sun, Moon and Star Elves, but are going to have the stats of the 4e Eladrin.
-In one of the articles, there was an apparent error somewhere, or something that will be further expanded upon in upcoming stories, presumably, as it mentioned a member of the Emerald Enclave, a Human, turning into an Eladrin.
In the old Realms one of the chief druids of the Emerald Enclave was a human turned elf.
I wonder if that's anything like the awkwardness of coming out to your parents for the first time?
"Mom, Dad. I'm a Elf."
I kinda dodged that bullet myself, for one, I'm only bi, and another, one of my Uncle's is Bi as well. :P
Anyone hear any new info on Tieflings or Fey'ri?
As far as I know, Tieflings are going to be very prominent in FR and probably have their own kingdom. This is due to the fact that, during the Spellplague (primarily), people turned to other denizens for power. They made pacts with demons, gave up seed or egg, and ended up with some very horny children--much like themselves.
As for the Eldarin: they are elves--but simply more like you would see in Lord of the Rings or something. Highly magical, illuminate with magic, and separated from the rest by a semi-plane or some such crap.
Dammit--whats it called?
Anyone hear any new info on Tieflings or Fey'ri?
-On Fey'ri, nothing. There aren't too many of them left, anyway. Concerning Tieflings, we know pretty much the same as we did months ago. Thematically, there will be two different types of Tieflings- the pre-4e ones, and the post-4e ones- that will probably be the same mechanically. Other than that, though...
-On Fey'ri, nothing. There aren't too many of them left, anyway. Concerning Tieflings, we know pretty much the same as we did months ago. Thematically, there will be two different types of Tieflings- the pre-4e ones, and the post-4e ones- that will probably be the same mechanically. Other than that, though...
-A 100 year time jump could give the remaining Fey'ri time to rebuild some strength.
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-In Swordmage there is A Tiefling Sorceror in it. He is from the near east. So I think it has something to do with ancient Narfell.
-A 100 year time jump could give the remaining Fey'ri time to rebuild some strength.
-Not really. Fey'ri are Elves, in the end. It takes about 100 years for an Elf to reach maturity in the first place. So, say, there are 100 Fey'ri left. Those 100 Fey'ri are all equally split male and female, and all have 1 kid. That's 50 new Fey'ri, in 100 years.
ShowIn Swordmage there is A Tiefling Sorceror in it. He is from the near east. So I think it has something to do with ancient Narfell.
-Not really. Fey'ri are Elves, in the end. It takes about 100 years for an Elf to reach maturity in the first place. So, say, there are 100 Fey'ri left. Those 100 Fey'ri are all equally split male and female, and all have 1 kid. That's 50 new Fey'ri, in 100 years.
-So that would mean there is half as many Fey'ri now right?:P
-Funny, becauseShowthe Fey'ri had nothing to do with Narfell. Nor did Elves.
-So that would mean there is half as many Fey'ri now right?:P
-I was using an extremely easy example to aid in my math idiocy. The ratio of males to females isn't 50/50. There may be more or less than 100 Fey'ri left (it was implied that there are less). Because of familial relations and such, not every male Fey'ri is going to pair with every female Fey'ri, and so on...
-Well, didnt the Drow before, they became the Drow build a city where the city of Dun-Tharos IIRC eventually came to be. Didn't the evil of the place draw those that created ancient Narfell?
-The Elven presence on Faerûn was mostly relegated to the Hearlands, parts of the north, and parts of the south.
-I was using an extremely easy example to aid in my math idiocy. The ratio of males to females isn't 50/50. There may be more or less than 100 Fey'ri left (it was implied that there are less). Because of familial relations and such, not every male Fey'ri is going to pair with every female Fey'ri, and so on...
-Unless they got really, really bored, and they needed something to do.:D
-The Elven presence on Faerûn was mostly relegated to the Hearlands, parts of the north, and parts of the south.
-Didnt AGHotR mention something about the Ilthriy(sp) buliding a city where Dun-Tharos eventually came to be?
-Anyway I brought up Narfell with the Tieflings to say that there could be a Narfell conection in the 4E Realms.;) I didn't mean in conection with the Fey'ri. I posted my thoughts together, instead of seperating them.:P
-So LK do you think that the Fey'ri are finished in the 4E Realms?
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Also, I could be wrong here, but I thought that it was said that if a Fey'ri and a Sun Elf mated the resulting child was a Fey'ri (or maybe possibly Fey'ri). I can't remember where I saw it but I though a WotC product mentioned them capturing Sun Elf females for breeding stock.
Overall not enough for another army but possibly enough for a settlement/small city; and certainly enough for the odd adventurer or two.
-Unless they got really, really bored, and they needed something to do.:D
-I don't even think a pair of Fey'ri are vile enough to sink that far into depravity.
-Didnt AGHotR mention something about the Ilthriy(sp) buliding a city where Dun-Tharos eventually came to be?
-Anyway I brought up Narfell with the Tieflings to say that there could be a Narfell conection in the 4E Realms.;) I didn't mean in conection with the Fey'ri. I posted my thoughts together, instead of seperating them.:P
-Oh, okay. Clean up your thoughts! :P
-So LK do you think that the Fey'ri are finished in the 4E Realms?
-More or less, they were finished years ago, when the lot of them were banished and sealed away. The current blow against them brought down their already low numbers. The prospects aren't looking good, with the exception of the random Fey'ri here and there.
Also, I could be wrong here, but I thought that it was said that if a Fey'ri and a Sun Elf mated the resulting child was a Fey'ri (or maybe possibly Fey'ri). I can't remember where I saw it but I though a WotC product mentioned them capturing Sun Elf females for breeding stock.
-Correct. That said, of course, Sun Elves don't like mating with Fey'ri.
-Correct. That said, of course, Sun Elves don't like mating with Fey'ri.
Yep, hence the capturing part. Not a pretty thought but...
Yep, hence the capturing part. Not a pretty thought but...
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-What does that even mean!? The evil Fey'ri began plotting on how to make a baby, he seduced a Sun Elf maiden, got laid, and then...everything worked out?
Perhaps its 18DELTA's smiley addiction?
-What does that even mean!? The evil Fey'ri began plotting on how to make a baby, he seduced a Sun Elf maiden, got laid, and then...everything worked out?
Want me to hit 'em? Or should I be a nice Paladin of Hoar, and wait for him to do something evil?
-What does that even mean!? The evil Fey'ri began plotting on how to make a baby, he seduced a Sun Elf maiden, got laid, and then...everything worked out?
-DING, DING, DING! We have a winner here!:P You and MarkusTay63 should know how to understand my smilie language.
-Speaking of Markus where has he been with his chipper self lately? Did you send him on a top secret LK mission? Or did he get really ****** off and not coming around for awhile. Or is he working on one of his pet map projects.
-I still think that he should have signed on the dotted line and became the Kartographer of Karsus!!!:D
-Come out come out where ever you are MarkusTay63.:P
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Want me to hit 'em? Or should I be a nice Paladin of Hoar, and wait for him to do something evil?
-Wait until he does somethiong bad. And, even still, if you do feel compelled to hit him, not so hard.
-DING, DING, DING! We have a winner here!:P You and MarkusTay63 should know how to understand my smilie language.
-Speaking of Markus where has he been with his chipper self lately? Did you send him on a top secret LK mission? Or did he get really ****** off and not coming around for awhile. Or is he working on one of his pet map projects.
-I still think that he should have signed on the dotted line and became the Kartographer of Karsus!!!:D
-Come out come out where ever you are MarkusTay63.:P
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-I agree, he should have signed the line and become the Kartographer of Karsus. That said, he didn't. Oh well. He mentioned that he wasn't going to be coming back anymore, so, I can only assume he went good on his word.
Wouldn't the Seduction be enough for a Paladin of Hoar to go out and lay the Smackdown on that Fey'ri?
But, what if said Sun Elf, liked the seduction? I'm a born hopeless romantic at heart... Granted, the evil Hoarite in me says "Force 'em to marry, place a geas on them so they cannot harm/kill one another, and laugh like a mad man. There's Poetic Justice for you! Ya knocked her up, now you must reap what you sow!" :evillaugh
-Wait until he does somethiong bad. And, even still, if you do feel compelled to hit him, not so hard.
I'll just thump his nose, my lord.
But, what if said Sun Elf, liked the seduction? I'm a born hopeless romantic at heart... Granted, the evil Hoarite in me says "Force 'em to marry, place a geas on them so they cannot harm/kill one another, and laugh like a mad man. There's Poetic Justice for you! Ya knocked her up, now you must reap what you sow!" :evillaugh
-Sun Elves dispise Fey'ri almost as much, if not more, than Drow. That's gotta be one sick, seriously F-ed up Sun Elf...
I'll just thump his nose, my lord.
-You sure you don't want to be a Hand of Karsus. I'll schmooz with Ao, and see if I can have some of the entry requirements waived, just for you. That bit about the first-born didn't particularly enthuse you, I know...
-Sun Elves dispise Fey'ri almost as much, if not more, than Drow. That's gotta be one sick, seriously F-ed up Sun Elf...
Well, I've seen a Surface Elf and a Drow fall in love... I think... So stranger things have happened. Besides, if there's floating landmasses now, then a Fey'ri/Sun Elf love story can't be that far fetched.
-You sure you don't want to be a Hand of Karsus. I'll schmooz with Ao, and see if I can have some of the entry requirements waived, just for you. That bit about the first-born didn't particularly enthuse you, I know...
No, no. I'm having more fun being the Hand of Hoar. :P
Well, I've seen a Surface Elf and a Drow fall in love... I think... So stranger things have happened. Besides, if there's floating landmasses now, then a Fey'ri/Sun Elf love story can't be that far fetched.
-A Drow falling in love with a Surface Elf. Well, it does happens, provided the Drow is an Eilistraeean. That said, a proper Sun Elf would not fall in love with a Fey'ri. Sun Elves dispise Drow because they fell from the Seldarine. Sun Elves hate Fey'ri, because they fell from the Seldarine, and they used to be Sun Elves, so they should have known better, and give Sun Elves a bad name.
No, no. I'm having more fun being the Hand of Hoar. :P
-Well, keep this in mind: If Hoar disappears in 4e, I will still be here. ;)
-A Drow falling in love with a Surface Elf. Well, it does happens, provided the Drow is an Eilistraeean. That said, a proper Sun Elf would not fall in love with a Fey'ri. Sun Elves dispise Drow because they fell from the Seldarine. Sun Elves hate Fey'ri, because they fell from the Seldarine, and they used to be Sun Elves, so they should have known better, and give Sun Elves a bad name.
Most Sun Elves give Sun Elves a bad name... But then, I have issues with arrogance.
-Well, keep this in mind: If Hoar disappears in 4e, I will still be here. ;)
Like I wouldn't make a character named Hoar, have him follow a Deity who serves Justice, while seeking to become a Deity as well and restore the glory that is Hoar/Assuran, and all seekers of Poetic Justice. Did I mention I was crazy?
Most Sun Elves give Sun Elves a bad name... But then, I have issues with arrogance.
Did I mention I was crazy?
-I believe you may have mentioned it once or twice in passing, yes.
Thank you, I'll be here all week. Or until something better comes up...
-I believe you may have mentioned it once or twice in passing, yes.
Just making sure. You are a Old man after all Lord Karsus... And I'm sure going toe to toe with the first Mystra may have done things to your brain.
Though just between you and me, I keep waiting to see my name show up on your list of "Hands of Karsus" with the caption "Doesn't know it yet."
Just making sure. You are a Old man after all Lord Karsus...
-Ironic, since I am currently the youngest person here, at the Forgotten Realms boards.
And I'm sure going toe to toe with the first Mystra may have done things to your brain.
-First misconception: I never actually fought with Mystra. The spell was cast, that was that, and magic was mine. That said, this aspect did not retain any of Karsus' madness. That all went to KtM, hence his monkier, "the Mad".
Though just between you and me, I keep waiting to see my name show up on your list of "Hands of Karsus" with the caption "Doesn't know it yet."
-While it would be nice, I am contractually bound to not be able to do that. Unlike normal deities, where they can recieve the calling to become a priest/priestess without realizing, being a Hand of Karsus is akin to being a Chosen, and thus, it's a bit more complicated.
-Ironic, since I am currently the youngest person here, at the Forgotten Realms boards.
You'll get over it. :P
-First misconception: I never actually fought with Mystra. The spell was cast, that was that, and magic was mine. That said, this aspect did not retain any of Karsus' madness. That all went to KtM, hence his monkier, "the Mad".
I wouldn't call Alzheimer's insanity... :P
-While it would be nice, I am contractually bound to not be able to do that. Unlike normal deities, where they can recieve the calling to become a priest/priestess without realizing, being a Hand of Karsus is akin to being a Chosen, and thus, it's a bit more complicated.
Ah, well, that explains alot.
Heh, we're just back and froth aren't we? :P
-Ironic, since I am currently the youngest person here, at the Forgotten Realms boards..
When do I start giggling? Hmmm...?
I wouldn't call Alzheimer's insanity... :P
-It legally is.
When do I start giggling? Hmmm...?
-After you tell me why that's worth giggling over, because I don't get it.
-After you tell me why that's worth giggling over, because I don't get it.
Perhaps by filling me in on how old you are. Or, how old you are supposed to be.
Perhaps by filling me in on how old you are. Or, how old you are supposed to be.
-21.
-It legally is.
I'll bite, how is it "crazy"? All you have is people who can't remember alot of their lives.
I'll bite, how is it "crazy"? All you have is people who can't remember alot of their lives.
-In a court of law (American), having Alzheimer's is a situation when a person can claim insanity.
-In a court of law (American), having Alzheimer's is a situation when a person can claim insanity.
Wonder if they can claim insanity if they're bipolar...?
Wonder if they can claim insanity if they're bipolar...?
-They can try, but there isn't much to work with, there. Most cases in which insanity is claimed proceed as normal, after the insanity is disproven.
-They can try, but there isn't much to work with, there. Most cases in which insanity is claimed proceed as normal, after the insanity is disproven.
This is true.
-In a court of law (American), having Alzheimer's is a situation when a person can claim insanity.
Just to clarify -
This is true, but only to a point. Not all cases of Alzheimer's disease progress in the same way behaviorally, or have exactly the same biological or temporal progression. Early-stage Alzheimer's, when most faculties and moral reasoning are intact, would likely -not- qualify for the legal definition of insanity. In all such cases, legal insanity must be proven (and proven for the time during the criminal act in question). Some cases of Alzheimer's (early stage, or if moral reasoning are largely intact based on tests by professional witnesses) would not meet the legal criteria.
Late stage Alzheimer's would almost certainly meet criteria for an insanity defense, but even then there are some canny lawyers who could find a competing expert witness to argue against it.
For those interested: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Definition+of+Insanity
Just to clarify -
This is true, but only to a point.
-Yes, and being as the insanity defense is one of the most convoluted things in common law, notice how I didn't even attempt to go into much detail? ;) :P