"That Curious Sword" (Realms of Shadow), Promise of the Witch-King, Road of the Patriarch
-Entreri accidentally absorbs the essence of a Shade, and this changes his physiology in some way that hasn't been fully explained. Then, the two enter into the service of two Dragon sisters, move up to Vaasa, and so on and so on.
It includes Jarlaxle's stats, his demeanor, combat tactics and general information about how to run him.
The artwork is pretty cool, too.
Unfortunatley there's no mention of Artemis Entreri (that I could find), nor a summary of the intervening events of the last one hundred years.
They're saving that lore for a future Salvatore novel, methinks.
What's the matter, too dual-flail-explosive-wielding-rhyme-talking-batsh*t-insane-dwarf for you?
-As a minor character, I have no problem with him. Were it up to me, he would have been killed. But, as a major protagonist of a story, I want no part of it. R.A. Salvatore exaggerating Dwarves to the point of nonsensica yet again.
-As a minor character, I have no problem with him. Were it up to me, he would have been killed. But, as a major protagonist of a story, I want no part of it. R.A. Salvatore exaggerating Dwarves to the point of nonsensica yet again.
at least his name ain't Athrogate Fiddlesticks or sumthin'
What goes up is sure to come down
Satilites have gone into space and yet to come down.
-I wish they'd kill Athrogate...
And I wish they'd kill Drizzt, but what can I do?
At least Athrogate was willing to do "evil deeds" when working for the assasin place. Do you enjoy stupid dwarfs rhyming in Drizzt novels any better and working for the good of the realms like the other 80% of the world? Or do you like Mr.Do'Urdens diary letters, that for some reason appear in the sellswords series when I am contempt of reading soloey Jarlaxell and Artemis.
Besides, would have been cool to see party vs party battle:
Drizzt and the retard crew (usless half-ling)
vs Artemis,Jarlaxell,Athrogate
Athrogate would rock bruenor hardocre.
at least his name ain't Athrogate Fiddlesticks or sumthin'
-We don't know what his surname is. It could be 'Fiddlesticks'.
-We don't know what his surname is. It could be 'Fiddlesticks'.
shhhh...don't give him any ideas
shhhh...don't give him any ideas
-That's what I was going to tell you!
shhhh...don't give him any ideas
-That's what I was going to tell you!
Is that aimed twoards me? I don't get it. I demand an explantion. Tell me and I..might..consider letting you be my pet.
Is that aimed twoards me? I don't get it. I demand an explantion. Tell me and I..might..consider letting you be my pet.
are you RA Salvatore?
are you RA Salvatore?
My guess? If he actually has the initials R.A., then it involves some vulgarity.
I don't think Athrogate will be a factor unless R.A.'s books continue to sell well and he runs out of ideas for his stories.
As for Enteri, I find it ironic that right before all the 4e crap goes down, he absorbs some Shade and Catabrie decides to become a mage under Alustriel.
Sounds to me like he wants to expand the lifespans of both.
going to break yer knees!!!!
bwahahahahahaha
yeah okay Athrogate was what already in his 3rd century of life.
he is dead
One two three
going to break yer knees!!!!
bwahahahahahaha
yeah okay Athrogate was what already in his 3rd century of life.
he is dead
only if RAS says he is
As for Enteri, I find it ironic that right before all the 4e crap goes down, he absorbs some Shade and Catabrie decides to become a mage under Alustriel.
-The part with Entreri absorbing the essence of the Shade, that happened in...2002? 2003? That predates ruminations of 4e for a few years. The reason for that was most likely because of the Sellswords books that he would be writing. The part about Catti-Brie, though? That, I see pure 4e transition. Though, it is likely that she's going to be dying at some point.
yeah okay Athrogate was what already in his 3rd century of life.
he is dead
-Doesn't mean anything. I believe that either Jarlaxle or Athrogate himself mentioned some kind of magical enchantment/curse that was keeping him alive, and that this was what intrigued Jarlaxle.
-The part with Entreri absorbing the essence of the Shade, that happened in...2002? 2003? That predates ruminations of 4e for a few years. The reason for that was most likely because of the Sellswords books that he would be writing. The part about Catti-Brie, though? That, I see pure 4e transition. Though, it is likely that she's going to be dying at some point.
Wasn't aware of the timing--so I'll grant you the reasoning on that.
On the other hand, it does seem to me that R.A. has a problem with his two favorite human characters not being able to stick around with Drizzt.
I don't see Athrogate fighting Bruenor. He has a high respect for them and has no quarrel with them "Mithral Hall boys." Athrogate vs Pwent would be interesting, though.
Very interesting. Pwent would take him handily though. Athrogate would open his yap to rhyme something stupid and ol' Pwent would stick his helmet spike in it.
On the other hand, it does seem to me that R.A. has a problem with his two favorite human characters not being able to stick around with Drizzt.
-What do you mean?
-What do you mean?
I believe he is talking about the now dead Wulgar and Cattie-brie
Very interesting. Pwent would take him handily though. Athrogate would open his yap to rhyme something stupid and ol' Pwent would stick his helmet spike in it.
Once again, context is everything :D
-They're dead, as in confirmed dead, as in something explicitly says "Wulfgar and Cattie-Brie are dead" dead?
As dead as Wulfgar was the 1st time and fans threw a hissy fit and PMSed all over RAS forcing him to go agaisn't his own story writting and bringing him back? That kind of "dead" dead?
As dead as Wulfgar was the 1st time and fans threw a hissy fit and PMSed all over RAS forcing him to go agaisn't his own story writting and bringing him back? That kind of "dead" dead?
Like X-files, Heroes, Lost, and every comic book ever written, nobody ever really dies in the Realms, they just step out of the limelight for a while, letting everyone think they are gone.
Like X-files, Heroes, Lost, and every comic book ever written, nobody ever really dies in the Realms, they just step out of the limelight for a while, letting everyone think they are gone.
Yeah dude, Captain America died and they made this huge thing out of it...then 2 weeks later "CAPTAIN AMERICA LIVES AGAIN!" (milk us more money!). Steve Rogers is sucha dork. Frank Castle is whats up.
Yeah dude, Captain America died and they made this huge thing out of it...then 2 weeks later "CAPTAIN AMERICA LIVES AGAIN!" (milk us more money!). Steve Rogers is sucha dork. Frank Castle is whats up.
Cap is still dead.
Cap is still dead.
Did you not read my post? I went to Boarders, and the title was shown as: Captain America lives again!
Did you not read my post? I went to Boarders, and the title was shown as: Captain America lives again!
Yeah the original Captain America Steve Rogers is dead, his former partner Bucky Barnes has taken over the name and costume (albeit redesigned)
Did you not read my post? I went to Boarders, and the title was shown as: Captain America lives again!
Better to say "Steve Rodgers is still dead, this new Cap is not the true Captain America."
Better to say "Steve Rodgers is still dead, this new Cap is not the true Captain America."
Good riddance. Was I the only one who saw his flawed justice? He beat up the punisher because he shotdown 2 criminals trying to work with them in the civil war.
Cap: "You murderous piece of trash!" *Punches him*
Frank Castle: "They were killers and theives cap"
Cap: "Shut up!" *Kicks him the face*
Cap: "Fight me you coward"
Frank Castle: "No, not agaisn't you"
Cap: "Throw his guns in the incerater"
Well Captain-Over doing it....It is always good men who do the most harm in the world. -Henry Brooks Adam:
Good riddance. Was I the only one who saw his flawed justice? He beat up the punisher because he shotdown 2 criminals trying to work with them in the civil war.
Cap: "You murderous piece of trash!" *Punches him*
Frank Castle: "They were killers and theives cap"
Cap: "Shut up!" *Kicks him the face*
Cap: "Fight me you coward"
Frank Castle: "No, not agaisn't you"
Cap: "Throw his guns in the incerater"
Well Captain-Over doing it....It is always good men who do the most harm in the world. -Henry Brooks Adam:
Actually both those two were trying to turn them selves around and be good guys, same with Stilt Man (Who Punisher killed), they were feeding Cap info for awhile.
Actually both those two were trying to turn them selves around and be good guys, same with Stilt Man (Who Punisher killed), they were feeding Cap info for awhile.
I don't think Castle sees himself as a "bad guy". He just has a different style of dealing out justice. And he has always been the same, I don't think he was trying to turn himself around to be anything new..."good" if you will. Ever read about him with moonnight? He's still as hardcore as he use to be. Cap is a sad excuse for a hero. He could have won the civil war if he didn't let his emotions get the best of him. Also as I stated before, they took out the punisher during the final civil war battle, because bullets is gg. Lazers and fireballs are like a punch in fantasy worlds. They really don't do much damage for some illogical reason. Here's an idea! Let's have someone shoot a super sonic blast at another super hero and only a little bit of their costume is ripped!
No, the three guys Punisher killed (Plunder, Jack O Lantern, Stilt Man) were trying to be good guys and make up for the bad stuff they did.
No, they stated: "The villian community is more worried about S.H.I.E.L.D than anyone else, so if you need us, we're here"
And no, Steve would have lost the war no matter what, he realised that during the fight, the Anti side was hopelessy out numbered and even if they beat Tony and the others they would ahve the American Goverment fall on them.
No, Tony Stark was at his last death blow with Cap. When he surrendered because he had thought that they were just "fighting, not arguing anymore", spiderman than stated: "Cap, we were winning back there man!"
Cap: "Stand down, that's an order"
Besides, the goverment wouldn't know what to do without stark leading them.
OR I sick Athrogate at you
bwahahahahahahahahahahaha
I am going to suggest you guys take that elswhere, to PM or to another part of the forum.
-Yes.
-Yes.
Actually, I was hoping you could at least end the debate since you also read the civil war comics. Just uh, throw in a little bit of facts here and there. Because it will be bothering me all day until the other dude conceeds. (I'm not wrong ;) )
-What do you mean?
I mean the two suddenly have these life changing experiences right before the world flips. Both of which, can expand their lifetimes into the new realms.
I believe he is talking about the now dead Wulgar and Cattie-brie
Nope. Talking about animated twinkies smoking dope, then robbing Robert Downey Jr.
-They're dead, as in confirmed dead, as in something explicitly says "Wulfgar and Cattie-Brie are dead" dead?
What? What?!!!
As dead as Wulfgar was the 1st time and fans threw a hissy fit and PMSed all over RAS forcing him to go agaisn't his own story writting and bringing him back? That kind of "dead" dead?
No. Dead, dead now.
Once again, context is everything :D
No. Pwent just kicks his ass—plain and simple.
What? What?!!!
-Well, so much for the "[expanding] their lifetimes into the new realms". That's cheap, though. At least that didn't happen.
-Well, so much for the "[expanding] their lifetimes into the new realms". That's cheap, though. At least that didn't happen.
Huh?
As far as we know, I think only Cadderly is confirmed Dead Dead given what's happened to the Spirit Soaring.
-Like anything else, he could have not been present. Does the FRCG say he's outright dead? I know it says that the Spirit Soaring is deserted now, and haunted.
He also shattered Cattie-Brie's hip, making a Half Drizzt/half Cattie-Brie child impossible. This much was said in "The Orc King" when the clerics told Bruenor that she likely couldn't have children and that she was near the end of her child having years anyways.
Still, in a world were people are brought back from the dead and dragons fly the skies, never say never.
RA is actullay coming to a bookstore in Orlando about 5 minutes from my house next month for a book signing, maybe I'll ask him
BTW- I really like the Drizzt books, but really really really HATE his little manifestos at the beginning of every chapter. Skip those and you'll enjoy the books alot more and be done in half the time.
Wulfgar and Cattie-Brie's deaths seemed very implied in 'The Orc King' as he did bring their stories to a close.
He also shattered Cattie-Brie's hip, making a Half Drizzt/half Cattie-Brie child impossible. This much was said in "The Orc King" when the clerics told Bruenor that she likely couldn't have children and that she was near the end of her child having years anyways.
What? What!
Pretend you're of higher ejumacashun and explain.
Wulfgar and Cattie-Brie's deaths seemed very implied in 'The Orc King' as he did bring their stories to a close.
He also shattered Cattie-Brie's hip, making a Half Drizzt/half Cattie-Brie child impossible. This much was said in "The Orc King" when the clerics told Bruenor that she likely couldn't have children and that she was near the end of her child having years anyways.
Still, in a world were people are brought back from the dead and dragons fly the skies, never say never.
RA is actullay coming to a bookstore in Orlando about 5 minutes from my house next month for a book signing, maybe I'll ask him
BTW- I really like the Drizzt books, but really really really HATE his little manifestos at the beginning of every chapter. Skip those and you'll enjoy the books alot more and be done in half the time.
two thought... Potion of Longetivity (I hope they come back now that potions don't need spells), and C-section.
He also shattered Cattie-Brie's hip, making a Half Drizzt/half Cattie-Brie child impossible.
-What? Really? Breaking a hip makes one unable to birth a child? Did not know that.
-What? Really? Breaking a hip makes one unable to birth a child? Did not know that.
No she got hit by a big rock thrown by a giant which break her hips and acording to the dwarf priests made her unable to get childs....but what do dwarf cleriks know? ;)
...but what do dwarf cleriks know? ;)
-Exactly.
I have a noob question? Why do authors wait a year in between releases? Do they not have all the novels written?
I have a noob question? Why do authors wait a year in between releases? Do they not have all the novels written?
-A bunch of possible reasons. They stagger releases because:
- The actual next novel is not written yet.
- The author/editor wants to incorporate the events of the latest sourcebooks/novels in their novel, and as such, needs to be current of events going on. As such, novels can't be written a long time in advance.
- Book releases are staggered as to maximize profits. Selling things as hardcover individual releases, and then as softcover individual releases is going to net you more profit than releasing everything at once, with compilations and gift packs and such.
I understand about the other projects. I was just curious about this triology. Thanks you both for your input.
You're welcome.
-Right. Jarlaxle is the leader of the organization. Kimmuriel (and others, in the past) check in with him when doing things, even after when Jarlaxle has left him (them) in charge.
So glad. Just bought the Pirate King today and look forward to it's boredom.
So glad. Just bought the Pirate King today and look forward to it's boredom.
If you're reading it to gain some knowledge on certain things then you wont be bored because it goes into detail about a certain event pre4e and who was involved. However if you are looking for a fun story and are not a Drizzt fan then it will be displeasing for you sir.
If you're reading it to gain some knowledge on certain things then you wont be bored because it goes into detail about a certain event pre4e and who was involved. However if you are looking for a fun story and are not a Drizzt fan then it will be displeasing for you sir.
Lil' or less of both. Thanks for some confirmation, Drizztmanthing. ;)
So glad. Just bought the Pirate King today and look forward to it's boredom.
-Does he, at any point, "check in" with Kimmuriel?
-Does he, at any point, "check in" with Kimmuriel?
At this point in my reading, said character doesn't even apply.
Also (slightly OT but) What rules apply in regards to Artifacts/relics- Is simply touching them enough to activate them, or do you have to actually USE them, so far I've been unable to unearth rulings either way, he has said that due to the sword of kas (another relic found in the room we're in...again, see above about the load of bull part) being sheathed, and us picking it up by its scabbard, we didnt activate it, however, my character (supposedly) picked both of these up (only semi-logical way) would have been picking them up by the shaft. do any edition (we play a modified second edition (yes, old, I know but)) rules state "activation" of artifacts/relics?
I figure Jar just uses a sending spell, sedning scroll, or sending stone to keep tabs on Kim. I figure he also has spies within the organization which sends reports to him and Jar probably scries on Kim alot. These are drow we're talking about after all ;).
Very valid point.
Taco? :D
You did finish the "the pirate king " by now right? If not and I gave you spoilers my bad
You did finish the "the pirate king " by now right? If not and I gave you spoilers my bad
No, you turkey basting buttpooch!! I save it for my ride on the 'El!!
Besides the Scrying Crystal/Orb has been known since "Silent Blade" about 7 ors so books back.;)
Which you probably read within the last couple years. I was actually alive and able to read when the Crystal Shard came out. That makes a 20 year span I have to deal with unless I get off my assimar and reread them.
Which isn't the plan right now, you coochie tickle!
I would change my name to that but there's too many letters maybe if I hyphenated. Stop drinking that whiskey and you might remember a few things
-I wish they'd kill Athrogate...
Yes, he is R A Salvatore's Jar Jar Binks.
Turkey Basting Buttpooch.
And Drizztmanchild holds too many nouns.
Stop drinking that whiskey and you might remember a few things
I'm on scotch now. Catch up in your posts.
Still can't find Mrtyl though. Lil' tramp.
Yes, he is R A Salvatore's Jar Jar Binks.
Let's make it a point that Athrogate became a product of a forced novel and story. I doubt RAS ever thought he'd write an Enteri and Jarlaxle novel to begin with. There has to be some fillers.
Disclaimer: I'm me. Ignore the powerful acorn until I get my neuron back.
Yes, he is R A Salvatore's Jar Jar Binks.
-That's too bad. In theory, the character has promise. You'd have to scrape the...'stupidity' off of it, though.
Now Entreri I believe is Evil. Prob NE. Because he didn't care who he went after just that he finished the kill. He would be the guy who fits LK's Anakin theme.
Apt and indeed.
He is quickly moving into the neutral category though.
Now Entreri I believe is Evil. Prob NE.
He's always been statted as LE, actually.
Armageddon has begun.
Better, thank you. So, how is me correcting LK going to cause Armageddon?
Cause, like Helm, The Vigilant, he was caught unawares and got buttjacked.
I occasionally have something to say that's helpful and constructive, you know.
Indeed. Unfortunately, you have a larger tendency to simply be a rabid, instigating goldfish.
Dangerous, those goldfishies. Dangerous.
I wonder how long it will take RAS to close up these plotlines?On a side note Can anyone point me to a thread where it might have the author's reeaction to the changes in 4e? I would be interested to here what they think. (I saw the threads on the General forum but they tend to have a single author or designer responding for the whole)
What makes you think he's NE? It kinda seems like he has a "code" that he follows at times. I personally think he's NE leaning toward LE, but I'd like to hear your opinion.
SPOILER AHEAD DON'T READ FURTHER IF YOU HAVEN'T READ "ROAD OF THE PATRIARCH" or "PROMISE OF THE WITCH KING".
When Artemis was first introduced I do believe he was LE simply because of his "code" and because of his nature(evil) and his profession (assassin). He followed that code to the letter of his law and never detered from it for any reason. LE to a T in my book.
However since Silent Blade his code has started to break a little to where he's thinking more about who he is and is his "code" truely the right way to live his life.(His trip to Menzo open his eyes a great deal because he saw himself and his code multiplied by 20,000 and he was disgusted by that). Throughout the next 3 novels that included him and Jarlaxle i've sseen him go from a passionless killer to actually caring about who he kills and developing friendships and even a relationship. In the end of the last book he's in after the effects oof Idalia's flute has taken him to his home IMO he renounces his "code" which made him LE and simply became "indifferent" albiet still evil and thus became NE.
Just my
I wonder how long it will take RAS to close up these plotlines?
-Given that in 20 years +/- Drizzt's timeline has moved up about 20 years or so, we might have to give R.A. Salvatore another 100 years for that 104 year jump to be crossed.
-Given that in 20 years +/- Drizzt's timeline has moved up about 20 years or so, we might have to give R.A. Salvatore another 100 years for that 104 year jump to be crossed.
I think that after the "Ghost King" that RAS should have 1 book that wraps up all the plotliones still open in 3.5e. He should have it sealed in some type of cover so that you have to buy it. When you buy it and get home and open it and settle down to read it on the firat page it should read in bold letters filling the entire page "everyone dies but Drizzt and his cat" and then leave the 300 or so other pages blank.
Now that would be funny
Now that would be funny
-Only in a theoretical way, because we both know we'd probably buy said product unknowingly...
Sorry for the improper grammar and the misspelling. I've been drinking this bottle of scotch that I "found" in some Judge's chambers
As stated, you remind me of another poster--one I don't care too much for. So I'll ask politely at this point that you quit your pursuit. Should you not, we will not find each other on good terms.
Understood and noted. Never my intention to get on anyone's bad side. My apologies . I was completely unaware of my friendly banter being taken personally.
Nothing personal, but certain people love to target me for baiting, using different accounts to "hide" their identity. Unfortunately, what you intend to come off as "friendly" happens to be baiting by another. And, as a previous poster used 10+ user accounts to afflict his stupidity, I find any new poster suspect.
Be real and we're cool. Be on my ass about any subject and we're not.
I've already stated that I "almost" like you. There's a reason for that.
and to be honest(my last post on this topic and I will get back on thread topic sorry for the deviation) I thought the "banter" between us began when I posted that ridiculous theory about what happened to Helm when you called me a "drizztmanthing" and I just continued from the but no I am an original account and this is my only one. Hopefully my subsequent actions/posts will convince you of that. Thanks for the patience.
Back to topic for me.
Thread: Probably get a role in another RAS novel, but nothing more.
Thread: Probably get a role in another RAS novel, but nothing more.
-As villains, probably, as well. With the entire "novel protagonists overshadow our PCs while villains don't" thing going on, they're probably safer as villains. Jarlaxle and Entreri are better as villains, anyway.
-As villains, probably, as well. With the entire "novel protagonists overshadow our PCs while villains don't" thing going on, they're probably safer as villains. Jarlaxle and Entreri are better as villains, anyway.
As things go, I wouldn't doubt that Drizzt, Jarlaxle and Entreri all end up on the same side of a conflict, fighting side-by-side to thwart off some catastrophe caused by the SpellPlague.
As things go, I wouldn't doubt that Drizzt, Jarlaxle and Entreri all end up on the same side of a conflict, fighting side-by-side to thwart off some catastrophe caused by the SpellPlague.
God I hope not. Though IMHO Jarlaxle has always been on Drizzt's side. But Entreri? I've seen enough of them side by side. But RAS loves his Reclaimation theme so you're prob right.
God I hope not. Though IMHO Jarlaxle has always been on Drizzt's side.
If so, it's probably only because it works for him.
As things go, I wouldn't doubt that Drizzt, Jarlaxle and Entreri all end up on the same side of a conflict, fighting side-by-side to thwart off some catastrophe caused by the SpellPlague.
-Temporarily, I wouldn't mind that. I mean, in comics, video games, and books and stuff, it's always a little fun to see archenemies team up for a short while for mutual benefit. If it was more long term, or permanent, I'd have to conclude that R.A. Salvatore had hit a rut, and was just looking to cash in on anything.
If so, it's probably only because it works for him.
IMO. I think its more than that. I(again this is my opinion) believe that Jarlaxle is starting to see Drizzt as the sone he can never have as to the danger of his profession.
God I hope not. Though IMHO Jarlaxle has always been on Drizzt's side. But Entreri? I've seen enough of them side by side. But RAS loves his Reclaimation theme so you're prob right.
-Temporarily, I wouldn't mind that. I mean, in comics, video games, and books and stuff, it's always a little fun to see archenemies team up for a short while for mutual benefit. If it was more long term, or permanent, I'd have to conclude that R.A. Salvatore had hit a rut, and was just looking to cash in on anything.
Hey!
Yeah, you boobs. Got a secret.
Come...
...
Entreri has been besaved by Bejebuz!! Now that he believes he has killed the D'rizzt, he now has accepted his place in life.
Bringing the D'rizzt back will make him find closure and some badass swordplay. He'll love the D'rizzit like a brother and all will be well.
IMO. I think its more than that. I(again this is my opinion) believe that Jarlaxle is starting to see Drizzt as the sone he can never have as to the danger of his profession.
DMManthing, we need to have a talk...
Finish the "PK" will you before we have that talk.
Fine!! But you CENSORED pressuring me makes it that much harder!! How the hell am I supposed to read the CENSORED thing with any CENSORED enjoyment when you reveal the CENSORED plot line before I get to it?!!!
And, if you continue yelling at me, like a CENSORED, then:
A.We know Luskan is destroyed in 4e(FRCG,Aghotr)
B. We know Drizzt is alive in 4e (The Orc King)
C. We know Jarlaxle is alive in 4e(He was statted somewhere on these forums)
How am I ruining the plotlines for you?
IMO. I think its more than that. I(again this is my opinion) believe that Jarlaxle is starting to see Drizzt as the sone he can never have as to the danger of his profession.
I haven't seen any evidence of that.
You're allowed your own interpretation, though.
Since:
A.We know Luskan is destroyed in 4e(FRCG,Aghotr)
B. We know Drizzt is alive in 4e (The Orc King)
C. We know Jarlaxle is alive in 4e(He was statted somewhere on these forums)
How am I ruining the plotlines for you?
Luskan? Destroyed?!!
Drizzt? Jarlaxle? Alive?!!
I've got, like, 10 pages to read on the train tomorrow morning. Then I'll beat you with my wiffle ball bat or buy you a twinkie.
Now stop spoiling things for others reading this post.
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And to think...I fed you my taco's.
The reader of these posts should pay attention to the
title before reading should he not?
Thanks for the tacos and chocolate milk
Sorry Judge but the disclaimer in the thread title gives me carte blanche when describing these characters and everything they are involved in
The reader of these posts should pay attention to the
You CENSORED CENSORED flopcock CENSORED pubic-haired-reject-nutjob!!
It's called respect!
Get some.
No more taco's for you. Definitely no more chocolate milk.
Bunny bumpin' CENSORED.
You CENSORED CENSORED flopcock CENSORED pubic-haired-reject-nutjob!!
It's called respect!
Get some.
No more taco's for you. Definitely no more chocolate milk.
Bunny bumpin' CENSORED.
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Spelled out for those literacy challenged individuals.
HTTBIROFLLMAO.
You've got an extra "L" in there. :P
What about Calihye? I heard she's split up with Entreri - is it true?
True they did break(namely when Entreri threw her out the window). But the last i heard Braegen D'earthe healed her and is using her in their schemes(Road of the Patriarch) no new word as of yet.
Finish the "PK" will you before we have that talk.
Done.
-I was originally thinking that Jarlaxle was going to use her as a "weapon" of sorts against Entreri, because of his relations with her, but since the Jarlaxle and Entreri parted ways, it appears that that hypothesis isn't going to pan out as I figured.
He did to a degree. He presented the flute and she was part of the result.
As Jarlaxle never intended to go to battle with Entreri, both she and the flute were weapons of cognizance.
Ok then. Do you see where I'm coming from as far as the way Jarlaxle is viewing Drizzt then. With everything you know about Jarlaxle and Zaknafien? I'm not saying it's actually what's happening but just seeing if you understand how I got to that point?
Yes, I can see it to a point.
I would like to bring up the fact of Jarlaxle and Zaknafien's soft rivalry.
Drizzt may not so much be the "son" he wanted, as he would be the repentance.
Just another reason he's neutral not evil.
Huh?
Sorry should have said "In my opinion its another reason I believe Jarlaxle is neutral not evil as WoTc has him statted". My bad for the confusion.
or 
I understood that you were stating an opinion, I was confused about what you were arguing. How does caring for someone rule someone out from being evil? Evil characters can care for certain people too.
He did to a degree. He presented the flute and she was part of the result.
As Jarlaxle never intended to go to battle with Entreri, both she and the flute were weapons of cognizance.
-I meant after the fact, after he played the flute, and had his relation with her. I was thinking that, with Jarlaxle taking her into Bregan D'aerthe, he would be using her position as having been intimate with him to his advantage in some way, if the need ever came up. Be it with her telling him information, him using her to blackmail Entreri, whatever form it takes. Since the two parted ways, that seems less likely to me now.
I understood that you were stating an opinion, I was confused about what you were arguing. How does caring for someone rule someone out from being evil? Evil characters can care for certain people too.
It wasn't just the fact that he "cared" about someone it is a combination of things I gathered from reading about him and what "my" view of evil is. It's mostly stated in Jarlaxle alignment thread.
Just another reason he's neutral not evil.
As you know, we agree on this.
So Judge, What did you think of "TPK"
Surprisingly, I thought it was one of the better novels RAS has written in some time—minus the last 20 – 30 pages or so.
I’m sure LK has a book review around here that I’ll need to look into.
-I meant after the fact, after he played the flute, and had his relation with her. I was thinking that, with Jarlaxle taking her into Bregan D'aerthe, he would be using her position as having been intimate with him to his advantage in some way, if the need ever came up. Be it with her telling him information, him using her to blackmail Entreri, whatever form it takes. Since the two parted ways, that seems less likely to me now.
I believe that we both know that Jarlaxle can learn anything he really wants from Entreri easily enough, should he choose to do so.
As for blackmail? That would be a last resort wildcard for Jarlaxle to play, so I doubt he would even consider or pursue such a thing.
Consider possibilities for it, yes. Actively keep it in his plans? No.
As you know, we agree on this.
Surprisingly, I thought it was one of the better novels RAS has written in some time—minus the last 20 – 30 pages or so.
I’m sure LK has a book review around here that I’ll need to look into.
I thought so too.
No LK hasn't read it yet
No LK hasn't read it yet
-No, haven't read it, and I have no interest in reading it, either. Isn't that horrible, that I have no interest, at all? Geeze...
-No, haven't read it, and I have no interest in reading it, either. Isn't that horrible, that I have no interest, at all? Geeze...
No interest or are you desensitized to RAS?
No interest or are you desensitized to RAS?
-No interest. Usually, in the past, I've picked up his books because they're relevant to the setting and all, but with the newer books not being relevant to any setting that I am interested in, I haven't even had the slightest tingle of wanting to pick it up.
I understood that you were stating an opinion, I was confused about what you were arguing. How does caring for someone rule someone out from being evil? Evil characters can care for certain people too.
I agree, and in any case there's very little information about Zak and Jarlaxle's relationship to go on. We have no idea to what extent they "cared" for each other.
By setting do you mean timeframe or area in which the novels take place?
-Timeframe.
-No, haven't read it, and I have no interest in reading it, either. Isn't that horrible, that I have no interest, at all? Geeze...
-Timeframe.
Well, time frame shouldn't be a deterrent. It's 3e, but definitely RAS's RSE to a degree.
I enjoyed it far more than The Orc King.
I agree, and in any case there's very little information about Zak and Jarlaxle's relationship to go on. We have no idea to what extent they "cared" for each other.
They were "friends" by proclamation. And shared the same views of drow culture.
They were "friends" by proclamation. And shared the same views of drow culture.
I get the feeling I'm missing a lot of information because I haven't been able to grit my way through Road of the Patriarch.
I get the feeling I'm missing a lot of information because I haven't been able to grit my way through Road of the Patriarch.
Statements by Jarlaxle in previous novels.
I'm almost tempted to go back and read all the CENSORED just so I can jot down interesting points like this.
Jarlaxle: Perhaps I saved you as a favor to your dead father
Drizzt stares at Jarlaxle
Jarlaxle: We were freinds, If any of us could have been friends, We both were survivng in a world we both hated but couldnt leave.
the above is paraphrasing but the gist is there. Plus there's a passage near the end of Servant of the Shard where Jarlaxle is speaking with Entreri again this is paraphrasing:
Jarlaxle: Once a long time ago after sparring with a friend in Menzoberrazen(though it was more through luck than skill that i won) he mentioned that his son was shaping up to be the greatest warrior of Menzo perhaps even Faerun. His name was Drizzt.
Entreri: And is he?(referring to Drizzt)
Jarlaxle:Smiles enigmatically(as far as Entreri knows Drizzt is dead)
Again both sections are paraphased but in both Jarlaxle clearly mentions Zak as a friend. and both these novels take place Before the book CW is currently reading so no
from you Judge about spoiling plotlines
I guess I just don't remember it that well then. The first and only time I read it was when it first came out in 2000, so I was 10. It also wasn't one of my favorites. I thought it was a little funny when RAS chose to expand off of that book for the Sellswords trilogy, because Servant of the Shard was my least favorite book (at least until I got to The Orc King, but then again I liked PotWK less than TOK...). Basically I haven't liked any of them since the last book of The Hunter's Blades Trilogy.
;)Well, time frame shouldn't be a deterrent. It's 3e, but definitely RAS's RSE to a degree.
I enjoyed it far more than The Orc King.
-I don't consider it 3e. While it is physically set in 1374 DR (I think), it was written with the 4e Forgotten Realms design philosophy and mantra in mind. I'm not particularly interested.
Like Dookie my memory is a little hazy but one passage from Jarlaxle in the Silent Blade pretty much sums it up
Jarlaxle: Perhaps I saved you as a favor to your dead father
Drizzt stares at Jarlaxle
Jarlaxle: We were freinds, If any of us could have been friends, We both were survivng in a world we both hated but couldnt leave.
the above is paraphrasing but the gist is there. Plus there's a passage near the end of Servant of the Shard where Jarlaxle is speaking with Entreri again this is paraphrasing:
Jarlaxle: Once a long time ago after sparring with a friend in Menzoberrazen(though it was more through luck than skill that i won) he mentioned that his son was shaping up to be the greatest warrior of Menzo perhaps even Faerun. His name was Drizzt.
Entreri: And is he?(referring to Drizzt)
Jarlaxle:Smiles enigmatically(as far as Entreri knows Drizzt is dead)
Again both sections are paraphased but in both Jarlaxle clearly mentions Zak as a friend. and both these novels take place Before the book CW is currently reading so no
No CENSORED from me, my man—that was perfect. And exactly what I was talking about. Thank you for the follow up. ;)
-I don't consider it 3e. While it is physically set in 1374 DR (I think), it was written with the 4e Forgotten Realms design philosophy and mantra in mind. I'm not particularly interested.
Don’t give me that CENSORED. You read Plague of Spells, did you not?
Such an excuse is, therefore, weak.
He also read TOK. Which takes place pretty close to TPK. So for once in many tendays his logic may seem flawed.;)
His logic is CENSORED everyday. The problem is having enough people catch it and point it out in the proper timeframe.
Swordboy is aware and confident, I assure you. ;)
Love ya, LK...but that hole...oh my.
Don’t give me that CENSORED. You read Plague of Spells, did you not?
-Yup. I was interested in seeing where the story went. Having read it, and not really having enjoyed where the story went, I'm not going to be getting the second book in the trilogy.
He also read TOK. Which takes place pretty close to TPK. So for once in many tendays his logic may seem flawed.;)
-Again, same thing. I wanted to see where the story went. Having read it (and having had that story ended), I have no further interest.
-Yup. I was interested in seeing where the story went. Having read it, and not really having enjoyed where the story went, I'm not going to be getting the second book in the trilogy.
-Again, same thing. I wanted to see where the story went. Having read it (and having had that story ended), I have no further interest.
No hope!
None!!
Sweet Bejebuz, forgive this CENSORED! I beg! He's just a CENSORED CENSORED with a CENSORED.
Thank you, Bejebuz. Thank you!
So LK, I have a Question? If Amazon's description of "TGK" is true will you read that? Maybe get a different author's viewpoint on how the Spellplague went down(Even if it's not a timeframe you play in or an author you're not that into?)
No. Because to a mind as meticulous as his own, it would require him to read the previous two novels.
Therefore, all three are considered null in the equation.
Well he already read "TOK" and through my inane and non repectful babbling and posting on "TPK in here he has a explanation of what happened in that book, and since everyone in here is looking for info on the spellplague I just figured it would be logical to read "TGK" for the sake of gathering info from a book that takes place during The Spellplague even if it's only a small part of the spellplague
"Logical" assumption is your downfall.
I heard the rumor that Calihye was pregnant in RotP 'cause she had those weird moodswings, cried over Parissus's picture and almost stabbed Entreri and then cried again. Is it true? What do you think?
-I wish they'd kill Athrogate...
Hey, Athrogate is one of my favorite characters, and could have ALLOT of interesting story behind him...
On topic... Jarlaxle has already been spoken fore, being alive & fully statted...
Athrogate was nearly 360 years old during the events of The Ghost King - and still in his prime... Dwarves live to about three centuries, and Athrogate was cursed with long life by some wizard.. So he could still be around.
Artemis... His encounter with the shade has been very vauge & non-specific.. So, RAS could find some way to give him long life.. But I dought it. He was already in his 40's in "Road of the Patriarch"...
Mm... Back to the topic.
I heard the rumor that Calihye was pregnant in RotP 'cause she had those weird moodswings, cried over Parissus's picture and almost stabbed Entreri and then cried again. Is it true? What do you think?
To my knowledge, Calihye was definitly not pregnant, and she DID try to kill Entreri, but was stopped by Kimmuriels psionic powers. Artemis then throws her out the window a dozen feet to the street below..
Her reasoning behind this was that, Entreri killed Parissus -unintntionally, and then she fell in love with him afterwards... Entreri is then leaving the Bloodstone lands, and since she's torn between reveng and "loving him".. She opts for the former... and instead of dying on the street Kimmuriel has her "rescued" to be some sort of contact with the cidatel of assasins.
When did Entreri come in contact with a shade? I have read all of Salvatore's books except for the latest one and I don't remember this at all.
Like Delta said, this occurred in a short story released in one of the various Realms anthologies - That Curious Sword, which was featured in the Realms of Shadow anthology. The story was fairly straightforward as I recall -
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Entreri runs afoul of a Shade who seeks Charon's Claw, a fight ensues, and Entreri learns a neat trick - using his life-absorbing dagger on a Shade draws out some of the Shade's shadow essence - and he finds himself revitalized, not only in terms of regaining spent stamina, but regaining some of the vigor he had lost with age.