Now, my way more popular counterpart, Tiefling, is making it into the core books. Some might think it's unfair for me, but I figure it's alright since they look more like a distant cousin race to Luskans in Farscape!
Yet, I can't help but wonder, when am I going to show up? Will I be in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide? The FR Player's Guide? Dare I say it...a web enhancement? I mean, I know I can get all "holier than thou" sometimes, but seriously... There are at least some players out there who really enjoy letting me do my thing. I think they deserve some info or even a preview, eh?
Signed,
Aasimar
P.S. - Half-orc says "hey"!
Good luck! :D
...Yet, I can't help but wonder, when am I going to show up? (...)
Not until 2012, and it'll be in a web enhancement.
Actually, no one knows when the Aasimar will show up. Or half-orcs for that matter.
Um...here is the number to my shrink. 312-555-7843. Her name is Dr. Angel Phobiak. She can help you with the answers you are seeking.
Good luck! :D
Dude, is that really your shrink's number?
Is she hot?
Dude, is that really your shrink's number?
Is she hot?
Dude, its a 555 number. Everyone knows that the chicks in Hollywood are hot.
Duh!
Dude, its a 555 number. Everyone knows that the chicks in Hollywood are hot.
Duh!
That's right, I'm one of them. I'm one of the holy, righteous and uncool. Incredibly unpopular, yet I refuse to quit. Hell, I didn't even get a paragon class, but I still stick with it.
Now, my way more popular counterpart, Tiefling, is making it into the core books. Some might think it's unfair for me, but I figure it's alright since they look more like a distant cousin race to Luskans in Farscape!
Yet, I can't help but wonder, when am I going to show up? Will I be in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide? The FR Player's Guide? Dare I say it...a web enhancement? I mean, I know I can get all "holier than thou" sometimes, but seriously... There are at least some players out there who really enjoy letting me do my thing. I think they deserve some info or even a preview, eh?
Signed,
Aasimar
P.S. - Half-orc says "hey"!
-A good question...
-A good question...
Not so much, really. WotC wants to put (or states they do) the whole "heroism" thing back into the Realms. To do that, you are going to focus on the evil in the Realms--the things that PC's can go up against.
Asimar cannot have a focal point if that is the case. You can play them, but they will have no dominance in the current Realms. You simply have to wait for the new Races of Faerun to come out before you know the story and stats.
Not so much, really. WotC wants to put (or states they do) the whole "heroism" thing back into the Realms. To do that, you are going to focus on the evil in the Realms--the things that PC's can go up against.
So... because there are lame DMs out there who can't apparently run "heroic" campaigns without it being forcibly hammered into the rules, everyone has to suffer this "points of light" junk.
Not to mention... if "heroism" was really their goal, why make demonic half-breeds (aka tieflings) into a core race? These two are completely at odds.
No, it's more like a few designers wanted the "kewl!" stuff (tieflings, floating earthmotes, etc) and a few other designers wanted a more "heroic" environment. And since they are not all on the same page, we get a jumbled up concoction that is more like Mulligan Stew rather than a nice roast with potatoes and seasoned vegetables.
Asimar cannot have a focal point if that is the case. You can play them, but they will have no dominance in the current Realms. You simply have to wait for the new Races of Faerun to come out before you know the story and stats.
I don't know... I haven't heard whether or not Aasimar will be statted up in the rules or not. Do we really know we can play one for sure?
So... because there are lame DMs out there who can't apparently run "heroic" campaigns without it being forcibly hammered into the rules, everyone has to suffer this "points of light" junk.
I've been with you on this from the beginning. Doesn't mean others don't whine.
Not to mention... if "heroism" was really their goal, why make demonic half-breeds (aka tieflings) into a core race? These two are completely at odds.
Drizzt. The new drow.
I don't know... I haven't heard whether or not Aasimar will be statted up in the rules or not. Do we really know we can play one for sure?
The new FR Races of Faerun will stat them. I guarantee it.
The new FR Races of Faerun will stat them. I guarantee it.
Has that been announced? It's not on WotC's product list and amazon doesn't seem to come up with a 4th Edition book of that.
Probably not... boundless optimism is a more likely cause of JD's assertation.
Boundless business, light bulb. I'm not an optimist in any sense of the word.
If selling a sourcebook full of additional races that people can play will bring them money, then WotC will be doing it. They already have.
Whether they will do a whole book on it, I don't know--they've already done that. But I can easily see a supplement with that information available.
Seems like their taking a lot of risks with their customer base to guarantee any action on their part if it doesn't fit in with their overall 'plan' for D&D... at least it looks that way where I'm sitting.
Change is inevitable with anything.
My whole reason for starting this thread was because I can't recall one single thing I've heard about Aasimar for 4e. I really like the race. In fact, my favorite character (who has been replaced by my Star Wars character in my sig because of length) is an Aasimar, so my opinion may be biased. I just find it strange that the counterpart to Tieflings hasn't been mentioned...to the best of my knowledge. Yet, I do know what the front cover of the FRCG looks like, what new base class will be showing up (directly contradicts their DDXP layout), and a number of other things thanks to a podcast or two.
But, what I don't know is when these other races that people have invested in for the last [insert number] years will surface again. Gray Dwarves? Deep Gnomes? Hell, Avariel? I can stand to wait a couple of months after the release of 4th, but I don't think I like the idea of waiting for an unnanounced book.
-Well, we know this: Aasimar DO exist in the Forgotten Realms, and in some areas, are somewhat prominent. We haven't been informed of some cataclysm that wipes them all out, so, bar some new information, they WILL exist. Official stats might not be immediatley availible, but they WILL exist.
I had figured as much and am hoping to spur the devs into going, "Here's another really cool article, faithful Forgotten Realms followers!" Hey, a guy can dream, right?
Thanks, Lord Karsus
I had figured as much and am hoping to spur the devs into going, "Here's another really cool article, faithful Forgotten Realms followers!" Hey, a guy can dream, right?
-Be careful what you wish for, especially in these times...No news is good news, right? ;)
Aasimar are not unique to the Realms after all, they along with Tieflings are in the 3.5 MM under "Planetouched."
If you are hoping for special feats and paragon paths and such, that will probably be some other book down the line, possibly the PHB2 or "D&D Generic Races Book 2" etc.
I suspect Aasimar (or whatever they rename them to, as they mentioned they wanted to rename it for some reason) will show up in one of the Monster Manuals before a setting-specific book.
Where did you hear this? And why the hell would they "want" to rename them? That makes little sense. Three syllables too much for someone? Find the name too offensive? Think it too silly? Where is God? Why is Elvis dead? Why can't we find Osama? How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop? Where is Waldo!!!
ANSWER ME!!!
Uh...sorry, man...
Where did you hear this?
Somewhere on this forums, probably the "ask the authors thread"
And why the hell would they "want" to rename them?
"They" think that the two "a"s at the beginins is silly and cofusing
That makes little sense. Three syllables too much for someone?
Apprantly so...
Find the name too offensive?
probably not.
Think it too silly?
View answer #2
Where is God?
In Heaven.
Why is Elvis dead?
Overdose.
Why can't we find Osama?
Cuz we ain't really looking
How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?
it depends on the size of your tongue
maybe...Where is Waldo!!!
Somewhere around here ... :invasion::invasion::invasion::invasion::invasion::invasion::invasion::invasion:
]
ANSWER ME!!!
Uh...sorry, man...
Just this once!
But I still can't find Waldo.
Where did you hear this? And why the hell would they "want" to rename them? That makes little sense. Three syllables too much for someone? Find the name too offensive? Think it too silly?
-It was mentioned in one of those 4e preview books. Races and Classes, if that is the correct title, presumably.
-Apparently, the first syllable in 'Aasimar' sounds too much like 'ass', and thus, should be changed....Yeah...
-It was mentioned in one of those 4e preview books. Races and Classes, if that is the correct title, presumably.
-Apparently, the first syllable in 'Aasimar' sounds too much like 'ass', and thus, should be changed....Yeah...
See, Ody--you were wrong. They did find it offensive. :D
See, Ody--you were wrong. They did find it offensive. :D
I said "Probably" so :P
I said "Probably" so :P
You're such an Aasimar!
HEY KISS MY AASIMAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You dirty jackaaismar--how dare you!!!
.... you are such an aasimarhole....
Thats the most aasimarnine thing I have ever heard! Everyone knows I'm a gentleman, you aasimarwipe!
So... because there are lame DMs out there who can't apparently run "heroic" campaigns without it being forcibly hammered into the rules, everyone has to suffer this "points of light" junk.
Yes, that's right. If you don't like that, don't play the game.
-Apparently, the first syllable in 'Aasimar' sounds too much like 'ass', and thus, should be changed....Yeah...
Haven't you noticed how many times Assimar is misspelt Assimar? Even in WotC's own books?
Haven't you noticed how many times Assimar is misspelt Assimar? Even in WotC's own books?
-No, actually I haven't. They've actually written it incorrectly, as 'Assimar', in official books? That's quite funny.
-No reason to change things, but funny.
-Don't know if you misspelled it there, intentionally, but you did. And, if it was accidental: :P
You guys make me laughStop jacking my thread and go blow it out your aasimars!
Hey, now. Ody and me tend to get bored at work during the day. We can't help but jacking threads and being retarded. It's our duty to nation, God and man. Not particularly in any order.
Now, if there was only a race that started with a name, like, Fuc....
-No, actually I haven't. They've actually written it incorrectly, as 'Assimar', in official books? That's quite funny.P
I don't have the book at hand, but I think Player's Guide to Faerûn has that misspelling, in the caption for the planetouched races' pic.
I don't have the book at hand, but I think Player's Guide to Faerûn has that misspelling, in the caption for the planetouched races' pic.
So...I still don't know why this shoud be an issue? Nor do I see why it should be a worry. Oh, well. Assimar has ass in its name.
Warn the children?
Warn the children?
-Light the torches and get the pitchforks, as a preemptive measure. You know...Just in case...
So...I still don't know why this shoud be an issue? Nor do I see why it should be a worry. Oh, well. Assimar has ass in its name.
Warn the children?
I personally like the name aasimar (and aasimon) but I can definitely see why they'd change it. It's not a biggie.
If they end up being called Angelspawn or something similar, I quit.
Well, there is the possibility of just saying that they're the half-celestials. I always thought it was funny that there was a difference between planetouched, half-celestials, etc.
If they end up being called Angelspawn or something similar, I quit.
If Teiflings get a name, then half-celestials do to! Equal right for everyone, regardless of gender, race or creed!
If they end up being called Angelspawn or something similar, I quit.
-Hopefully, whatever it is, if it does change, it is not that corny.
Hey, now. Ody and me tend to get bored at work during the day. We can't help but jacking threads and being retarded. It's our duty to nation, God and man. Not particularly in any order.
Now, if there was only a race that started with a name, like, Fuc....
So true.... :D
Your Aasimar is mine Judge!
-Hopefully, whatever it is, if it does change, it is not that corny.
Perhaps people will start adopting unusual non-roleplaying names in 4E, much as people do on pvp realms in wow:
Angelchylde the Aasimar, racial description: "celestikid". hehe!
or designers will delve even more into diablo-2 appellations for paragon paths:
Fistopheles, the "Hand of Tyr"
So true.... :D
Your Aasimar is mine Judge!
Don't you threaten me, you little aasimarmunch! I'll club you with a troll leg and knock your aasimar into next week.
Perhaps people will start adopting unusual non-roleplaying names in 4E, much as people do on pvp realms in wow:
Angelchylde the Aasimar, racial description: "celestikid". hehe!
or designers will delve even more into diablo-2 appellations for paragon paths:
Fistopheles, the "Hand of Tyr"
-I'm not even going to be playing 4e, but, for those who do, I hope none of that is the case!
-I'm not even going to be playing 4e, but, for those who do, I hope none of that is the case!
Hasbro could make a fortune on the "CelestiKids" line. Little angelic warriors with swords and wings, and a detachable halo. And a cute little D&D logo on the package, hehe! ;)
I call BS there Cuz you just said in the other thread that your character doesn't have Troll Profiency :D What now Aasimarlicker ?
House rules. And the house IS MINE, aasimarsmack! :evillaugh
Sigh...
Yeah, I know. But there are only so many compound words that can fit, that I knew it had to die sooner or later.
Just thought it would be sooner.
Hasbro could make a fortune on the "CelestiKids" line. Little angelic warriors with swords and wings, and a detachable halo. And a cute little D&D logo on the package, hehe! ;)
-I have often wondered why there weren't any D&D toys. I mean, hell, I might have bought a couple.
-I have often wondered why there weren't any D&D toys. I mean, hell, I might have bought a couple.
The devil worship thing. It wouldn't fly in the earlier days and there isn't enough renewed hype these days to make it viable.
But, maybe 4e...?
The devil worship thing. It wouldn't fly in the earlier days and there isn't enough renewed hype these days to make it viable.
But, maybe 4e...?
-I'm talking about today; Recently. I mean, with Habro owning D&D and all, too...
-I'm talking about today; Recently. I mean, with Habro owning D&D and all, too...
Well, maybe they are just waiting for the whole revamp before launching their product line.
Hey, now. Ody and me tend to get bored at work during the day. We can't help but jacking threads and being retarded. It's our duty to nation, God and man. Not particularly in any order.
Now, if there was only a race that started with a name, like, Fuc....
Heh, that's putting it mildly. You jacked your own thread on #1 Like/#1 Hate. It's no wonder you can't keep your grimy paws of someone elses.
What an aasimar.
Hasbro could make a fortune on the "CelestiKids" line. Little angelic warriors with swords and wings, and a detachable halo. And a cute little D&D logo on the package, hehe! ;)
Nah, the detachable halo would be too much like the Heavenly Host from the Dr. Who episode Voyage of the Damned. No one would want to have to start every sentence with "Information:".
:P
Heh, that's putting it mildly. You jacked your own thread on #1 Like/#1 Hate. It's no wonder you can't keep your grimy paws of someone elses.
What an aasimar.
I'm not even going there with you.
-I have often wondered why there weren't any D&D toys. I mean, hell, I might have bought a couple.
They're called miniatures. ;)
-I have often wondered why there weren't any D&D toys. I mean, hell, I might have bought a couple.
"Now presenting the Nymph and Succubus action figures!"
"Cool! 'You can't resist me, paladin!'"
"Never has the action been this epic! These figures are super-posable with loads of movable parts! Just squeeze their legs and watch the Karate Make-Out Action!"
"Wow! Nymph takes a surprise win at the wet t-shirt contest!"
"Wizards of the Coast is not responsible for repressed childhood memories or devil worship. Prices may vary. Each figure sold separately at random."
Just squeeze their legs and watch the Karate Make-Out Action!"
Don't you mean just spread their legs?
Don't you mean just spread their legs?
:D Why this thread hasn't been locked yet is beyond me. But, I'll ride the wave.
:D Why this thread hasn't been locked yet is beyond me. But, I'll ride the wave.
Because we are having a highly "intellectual" conversation here. Duh.
You forgot the "sub-" in front of "intellectual"...
QFTYou forgot the "sub-" in front of "intellectual"...
Hey, Karsus said it. I'm just agreeing.
Yet you phrased that as a statement, with no attribution to LK, so one could only conclude that it was a sentiment you held yourself. Hence, my correction.
And I always that that using quotes suggested a source outside the statement immediately being made.
Well, geez--what's a sub-intellectual guy like myself to do?
Hey, Karsus said it. I'm just agreeing.
-And you're using it (slightly) out of context. ;)
-And you're using it (slightly) out of context. ;)
And that was (utterly) the point.
Must we all be as straight faced and emotionless as...uh...some of the others around here? :whatsthis
Can't we just get down with our bad selves now and then?
Yes, and no, to answer those questions in order.
Yet, this was phrased as a question—with all attention to LK—so one can only conclude that this is a sentiment you hold, yourself. Hence, my:
Delusional weirdo...
:evillaugh
-Yes, and no, to answer those questions in order.
The devil worship thing. It wouldn't fly in the earlier days and there isn't enough renewed hype these days to make it viable.
But, maybe 4e...?
There were D&D toys, actually. Check them out.
There were D&D toys, actually. Check them out.
Bullywugs! Bullywugs!
Must have hit the shelves when that horrible cartoon came out on Saturday mornings.
There were D&D toys, actually. Check them out.
-Real toys. Real toys...:P
That second guy is like the kindest looking blackguard EVER
-That's a Blackguard!?
-I guess the sixth guy down is a Paladin, then...
No. That's a Power Ranger. Duh!
-I guess the sixth guy down is a Paladin, then...
#1 Grifindor Knight LG
#2 Ravenclaw LE Blackguard Chosen of Loviatar (hence the Scrouge)
#3 Some Slyderin Barbarian CE(?)
#4 Bitter (I Think he miss his battle axe/warhammer) Dwarf Fighter
#5 Ranger with a animal companion under the Barkskinspell
#6 A Slyderin Death Knight (that one was obvious LK :nonono
#7Halaster Blackcloak (Duh)>
#8 Comyr Guardsman # 142
#9...
#10 Irish Orc Barbarian
#11 Juggernaut (WTF?!?!?)
#12 Papagayo (:cokkie: for anyone that get that)
#13 Tony Stark in Waterdeep
#14 Crossdressing Santa Wizard (I might be wrong)
#15 Juns' Leader (From The Beastmaster)
#16 Ninja Red/Bluecap
#17 Scared Giant
Easy right?
I feel foolish in light of your enlightenment. Or something. I think.
I used My Madness Domain power for the day on that one:P
There were D&D toys, actually. Check them out.
Ow. My soul.
Anyway, top to bottom...
#01 Bowmarc - Good Crusader
#02 Deeth - Good Fighter
#03 Drex - Evil Warrior
#04 Elkhorn - Good Dwarf Fighter
#05 Hawkler -Good Ranger
#06 Grimsword - Evil Knight
#07 Kelek - Evil Sorcerer
#08 Mandoom - Good Warrior
#09 Mercion - Good Female Cleric
#10 Mettaflame - Evil Fire Giant
#11 Northlord - Great Barbarian (Some kind of giant, as he's bigger than everyone else)
#12 Peralay - Good Fighter/Mage Elf
#13 Strongheart - Good Paladin
#14 Ringlerun - Good Wizard
#15 Warduke - Evil Fighter
#16 Zarak - Evil Half-Orc Assassin
#17 Zorgar - Evil Barbarian
Some of them look pretty cool. Next time I run a campaign, Grimsword, Warduke, and Zarak are definitely going to be villains in it. I'll probably also throw in Strongheart and maybe Northlord, too (I love that guys helmet).
And just for the hell of it...
-Crap...I gotta collect them all, now!
And I'm betting you have all the Star Wars action figures as well...?
And I'm betting you have all the Star Wars action figures as well...?
-Feh, I wish...
-Feh, I wish...
I would say this is good. Hot chicks tend to have an aversion to grown men who still play with toys. ;)
I would say this is good. Hot chicks tend to have an aversion to grown men who still play with toys. ;)
-Play with toys? No, no, no. I don't "play" with my toys. Hell, I don't even open them. That's sacraledge, and ruins their value.
-Play with toys? No, no, no. I don't "play" with my toys. Hell, I don't even open them. That's sacraledge, and ruins their value.
Good! Now, as long as you've discontinued wearing those Superman underroo's, I think we're OK. :D
Speaking of value, I wonder what those D&D figurines are actually worth still in the box. Obviously not as much as something from Star Wars, but it would be interesting to get a collectors pricing on them.
Good! Now, as long as you've discontinued wearing those Superman underroo's, I think we're OK. :D
Speaking of value, I wonder what those D&D figurines are actually worth still in the box. Obviously not as much as something from Star Wars, but it would be interesting to get a collectors pricing on them.
Girl that I know for 8 months: You play D&D?!?
Me: Yea..
Girl that I know for 8 months: As in Dungeons and Dragrons?
Me: Yea..
Girl that I know for 8 months: Rey(me), you just lost 5 cool points!
Me:
True story... :D
Girl that I know for 8 months: You play D&D?!?
Me: Yea..
Girl that I know for 8 months: As in Dungeons and Dragrons?
Me: Yea..
Girl that I know for 8 months: Rey(me), you just lost 5 cool points!
Me:
True story... :D
I've heard much worse than that (not to say that she was being insulting to you).
"You mean like...does that...do you really worship the devil?" - my mother
"Well, I've gotta go. Stuff to do!" - coworker
"Jesus, are you serious? You're a $*@%ing loser!" - ex-friend
"Funny. You don't look the type." - guy who ran my Star Wars games
"Hahaha! Next you're going to tell me that your fiancee plays as well!... She does? Really?" - my boss
Hell, I only read the novels these days and am still hesitant on telling people what I am reading when they ask. You can just see it in their eyes when you tell them its D&D. They look at you like your a dumb aasimar.
Tell them to stick it up their aasimar!
Why? So they can think I can't speak English properly, as well?
No. No.
We D&Der's are doomed to inequality.
They need to Aasimar to bring "balance to the force".
I really hope they reconsider. Aasimar have a place in 4th edition if Tiflings are being kept.
They need to Aasimar to bring "balance to the force".
So who the hell is this new dumb aasimar?
I make one little aasimar joke and it escalates to this. Next thing you know, Aasimar_Spank and Jack_Aasimar will be joining the board, too.
-You people have pizza that is inherently wrong, so I guess that makes sense.
Just because it insults your geometrical senses ain't my fault, bub. Deal with it and move on. ;)
Feh, Chicago are crap. Everywhere but where I am is crap, and you all really need to just wake up and realize that. :P :D
I'll remember that when I lie on my deathbed and think about how crappy my life in the city has turned out.
"Oh, how much better my life would have been had I spent it in the same place as The One True Light Bulb."
See you shortly.
Just because it insults your geometrical senses ain't my fault, bub. Deal with it and move on. ;)
-It doesn't necessarily insult my geometrical sense, but it violates one of the many maxims that I live my life by: "Pizza should not be eaten with a knife and fork".
-Hey, and look! A Dumb_Aasimar!
-It doesn't necessarily insult my geometrical sense, but it violates one of the many maxims that I live my life by: "Pizza should not be eaten with a knife and fork".
Ok, smartaasimar, let me see you eat deep dish pizza without a fork and a knife. Gets a bit messy, yuh know?
Other than that, the only people that use utensils are professionals who don't want to, uh, you know, look unprofessional when gorging. And stuff.
-Hey, and look! A Dumb_Aasimar!
Pretty quick on the uptake there, aren't we, Beavis? ;)
Ok, smartaasimar, let me see you eat deep dish pizza without a fork and a knife. Gets a bit messy, yuh know?
-That's the thing. Since pizza shouldn't be eaten with a fork and knife, deep dish pizza should not exist. But, what really gets me is when people then say that deep dish pizza is superior to normal pizza.
Pretty quick on the uptake there, aren't we, Beavis? ;)
-You know I don't pay any attention to other posters, except you. :D :P
-That's the thing. Since pizza shouldn't be eaten with a fork and knife, deep dish pizza should not exist. But, what really gets me is when people then say that deep dish pizza is superior to normal pizza.
I think deep dish sucks, personally. Too much sauce.
That said, how many other stupid foods exist? It is what it is. Chicago ain't at fault. We just happen to be the innovators of the free world. :D
-You know I don't pay any attention to other posters, except you. :D :P
And even then you don't know who the hell is talkin' to you. Friggin' muffinhead! Wake up!
-What's up with those crazy reactions? I've never had anyone do that when I've mentioned that I play D&D. The most I've had was, "D&D...?".
People back home don't even know what D&D is!!! My DM played like in early 90 90's and we were talking about it one day and I thought it was interesting then one day I was at Borders and found a 3.0 PHB soI got it, so my DM came out of "retirement" to While I hook up some friends.
Then my DM had some serious work and had to travel so It was "forced" upon me the mantle of DM ....
So other than my players and a a cat here and there no one in pr know what's D&D
So other than my players and a a cat here and there no one in pr know what's D&D
I can easily see this. D&D isn't a mainstream thing to begin with--not like they promote it through commercial advertising. People learn about it through word of mouth and novels they pick up without knowing what it really is. With Puerto Rico being as isolated as it is from the mainland, I wouldn't doubt that 99.9% of the population is in the dark about it.
Feeding Grounds! Get to work Ody! By 2012 I want 331.5 coverts! Puerto Rico will be ours! :evillaugh
I can easily see this. D&D isn't a mainstream thing to begin with--not like they promote it through commercial advertising. People learn about it through word of mouth and novels they pick up without knowing what it really is. With Puerto Rico being as isolated as it is from the mainland, I wouldn't doubt that 99.9% of the population is in the dark about it.
Feeding Grounds! Get to work Ody! By 2012 I want 331.5 coverts! Puerto Rico will be ours! :evillaugh
That's cool 50-50 then....
I take the females
That's cool 50-50 then....
I take the females
In proper English, it is pronounced shemales.
And, yes, I'll let you have all of them. Let me handle those other ones for you.
So other than my players and a a cat here and there no one in pr know what's D&D
-Teach the cat the rules. Maybe it'll work.
-Teach the cat the rules. Maybe it'll work.
Well, that certainly puts new meaning to having some...uh...well, you know...that around that table.
:D
Well, that certainly puts new meaning to having some...uh...well, you know...that around that table.
:D
-Indeed, it does.
I can not be the only guy out there playing them. A friend of mine has an aasimar sorcerer.
Aasimar's don't get the love because people have this screwed up thought process that evil must be cool, and that good guys are pansies.
Personally, I'd pit any of my aasimar's against anyone's tieflings, and it'll be the shiny good one that comes out on top.
Well for what it is worth I play three aasimar's. (grant it two of them have minor celestial bloodlines too and one major... but that's neither here nor there.).
Please tell me that this isn't in the same campaign.
Aasimar's don't get the love because people have this screwed up thought process that evil must be cool, and that good guys are pansies.
Welcome to humanity!! :D
Why do you think the drow have stuck around for so long?
"Hahaha! Next you're going to tell me that your fiancee plays as well!... She does? Really?" - my boss
FTW! Course, I met my wife over a game of Star Wars (WEG not WoTC). We started our relationship at the first session of a D&D game that ended up never getting off the ground.
So who the hell is this new dumb aasimar?
I make one little aasimar joke and it escalates to this. Next thing you know, Aasimar_Spank and Jack_Aasimar will be joining the board, too.
:lightbulb :evillaugh Feh, Chicago are crap. Everywhere but where I am is crap, and you all really need to just wake up and realize that. :P :D
What's that line from the West Wing?
Leo - He's a good man, sir. He's from Chicago.
President Bartlet - Why is it all the people I know from Chicago are proud to be from there, but none of them live there?
Leo - It's a right of passage, sir.
-Teach the cat the rules. Maybe it'll work.
Heh, I've been unable to teach my cat that it doesn't get to climb on my chest and lick my face. We've stopped just shy of practices frowned upon by the Geneva Convention to reinforce this little lesson and the cat still hasn't figured it out. Now there is either a difficiency in I or the cat. Sadly, day after day, I'm beginning to suspect I'm the one coming up short. :embarrass
Well for what it is worth I play three aasimar's. (grant it two of them have minor celestial bloodlines too and one major... but that's neither here nor there.)
I can not be the only guy out there playing them. A friend of mine has an aasimar sorcerer.
Aasimar's don't get the love because people have this screwed up thought process that evil must be cool, and that good guys are pansies.
Personally, I'd pit any of my aasimar's against anyone's tieflings, and it'll be the shiny good one that comes out on top.
I play an aasimar Sorcerer in LG. Had to sacrifice a 12th level Wild Mage to get the privilege, but he's been fun to play.
Well for what it is worth I play three aasimar's. (grant it two of them have minor celestial bloodlines too and one major... but that's neither here nor there.)
I can not be the only guy out there playing them. A friend of mine has an aasimar sorcerer.
Aasimar's don't get the love because people have this screwed up thought process that evil must be cool, and that good guys are pansies.
Personally, I'd pit any of my aasimar's against anyone's tieflings, and it'll be the shiny good one that comes out on top.
Your point holds merit. People love the anti-hero. I think all of my characters have at least a small element of darkness to them as do many other people's.
However, I don't think the fault lies in the players, but in the designers. Hear me out. The Aasimar seem very pidgeon-holed in terms of fluff when you read their race description.
Aasimars are usually tall, good-looking, and generally pleasant. Some have a minor physical trait suggesting their heritage, such as silver hair, golden eyes, or an unnaturally intense stare.
Those lines are in every book that described Aasimar, period. Every picture of them (all two or three) features heavy, shining armor and a holy-esque weapon of some kind. So, when people think of Aasimar, they generally tend to imagine a Cleric or a Paladin right out of the box. The race seems almost custom-tailored for this.
Even if that was not the intent, the fact still remains that flexibility for Tieflings was supported to a larger degree throughout a number of different books (if not for the fact that I have seen a number of Tiefling NPC stat blocks, but never an Aasimar). When I saw this thread, my face exploded (it was really gross and I was almost fired)! This is what Aasimar should be like! It's flexible, it's cool, it has lots of backstory for any setting. Artists could have a field day and give us something different than a golden, glowy, holy person.
In closing, the designers need to help players think of Aasimar outside of the box before they become popular.
Heh, I've been unable to teach my cat that it doesn't get to climb on my chest and lick my face. We've stopped just shy of practices frowned upon by the Geneva Convention to reinforce this little lesson and the cat still hasn't figured it out. Now there is either a difficiency in I or the cat. Sadly, day after day, I'm beginning to suspect I'm the one coming up short. :embarrass
-Keep it up. One of you will cave.
-Keep it up. One of you will cave.
Man she's kickin' my butt. Just last night she woke me up so many times I started halucinating. That's one evil cat! Tonight I'm kickin' her out and locking the door. :surrender
Well for what it is worth I play three aasimar's. (grant it two of them have minor celestial bloodlines too and one major... but that's neither here nor there.)
I can not be the only guy out there playing them. A friend of mine has an aasimar sorcerer.
Aasimar's don't get the love because people have this screwed up thought process that evil must be cool, and that good guys are pansies.
Personally, I'd pit any of my aasimar's against anyone's tieflings, and it'll be the shiny good one that comes out on top.
I got a Chaotic Neutral Aasimar Warlock, who hunts demons/devils... And everytime I play him, I get flashes of Dante from Devil May Cry. Which is just down right wired. Though his name is kinda funny... "Grim Greycastle". :P
Man she's kickin' my butt. Just last night she woke me up so many times I started halucinating. That's one evil cat! Tonight I'm kickin' her out and locking the door. :surrender
-Make sure the cat doesn't reverse it, and lock you out. It happens...
-Make sure the cat doesn't reverse it, and lock you out. It happens...
I think I've had that cat... I miss her. She was fun. :P
Those lines are in every book that described Aasimar, period. Every picture of them (all two or three) features heavy, shining armor and a holy-esque weapon of some kind. So, when people think of Aasimar, they generally tend to imagine a Cleric or a Paladin right out of the box. The race seems almost custom-tailored for this.
They are, not almost, custom-tailored to paladins as per their favored class-Paladin. That being said, I tend to favor Aasimars with a flaw over a human for the paladin class. The +2 to Wis and Cha are just too good to give up and the 3.5 rule of daylight 1/day, nice! I do wish they had more flavor in FR other than mostly hanging out in the Mulhorand/Impiltur areas though.
I do wish they had more flavor in FR other than mostly hanging out in the Mulhorand/Impiltur areas though.
-Aasimar are like Tieflings, or Half-Elves. There aren't enough of them in one place at the same time to have any real "impact" on anything, really.
Is there a god of sex yet? I imagine that would solve the issue.
Is there a god of sex yet? I imagine that would solve the issue.
-For Humans, the closest there is would be an orgy where Lathander, Sune and Sharess are involved. Looks' like Lathander is scoring big time.
Perhaps we need a god of "human lust." You know, that cool kind of god that just chills in the mortal bars and scores on women.
Well, if it aint producing Aasimar, then it doesn't matter.
Perhaps we need a god of "human lust." You know, that cool kind of god that just chills in the mortal bars and scores on women.
Isn't that still Sharess?
Seriously, it's alot harder to get to Aasimar then your thinking. See, first there's Half-Celestials, then there's what ever comes after that, so we'll have to wait a copy generations until we get to Aasimar. And ya know? I'm not that patient.
Isn't that still Sharess?
Was it ever?
Sharess's portfolio doesn't come close to that.
Seriously, it's alot harder to get to Aasimar then your thinking. See, first there's Half-Celestials, then there's what ever comes after that, so we'll have to wait a copy generations until we get to Aasimar. And ya know? I'm not that patient.
This, I do not understand, my man. Lathander gets Porky Pig on a chick, impregnates her, then, bada-bing! bada-boom! Aasimar child waiting to get spit.
I am scared.
Somewhere, someone is drawing that picture in his mind, and then on paper.
Ooh! Ooh! Can I see?!!
This, I do not understand, my man. Lathander gets Porky Pig on a chick, impregnates her, then, bada-bing! bada-boom! Aasimar child waiting to get spit.
No... I think you, just like many other people, are confusing Aasimar with Half-Celestials. Aasimar are like Tieflings, note that I am speaking of 3.x Tieflings here. Aasimar are descended from a celestial bloodline. To be the child of a good-aligned divine being and a mortal, would make one a Half-Celestial, not a Aasimar. Best I can figure, Aasimar are, at most, 1/4 celestial. That would mean they are the grandchild of whatever celestial being did the horizontal tango with their mortal grandparent.
No... I think you, just like many other people, are confusing Aasimar with Half-Celestials. Aasimar are like Tieflings, note that I am speaking of 3.x Tieflings here. Aasimar are descended from a celestial bloodline. To be the child of a good-aligned divine being and a mortal, would make one a Half-Celestial, not a Aasimar. Best I can figure, Aasimar are, at most, 1/4 celestial. That would mean they are the grandchild of whatever celestial being did the horizontal tango with their mortal grandparent.
Damn, dude--you right!!
You should have written Races of Faerun. Although it says exactly what you just said in the book, I didn't get it until you just explained it.
I always thought the two were one in the same.
Damn shame, too. A horny god producing paladins would have been sweet.
Thanks for ruining everything!!!
Damn, dude--you right!!
And being right almost all of the time annoys me so...
You should have written Races of Faerun. Although it says exactly what you just said in the book, I didn't get it until you just explained it.
Nah, I'd rather right a Paladin novel. :P
I always thought the two were one in the same.
You and everyone else... Though my Tiefling has it the worse. Everyone thinks and calls his a Half-Demon. Drives me crazy.
Damn shame, too. A horny god producing paladins would have been sweet.
Oh like there can't be a army of Half-Celestial Paladin's running around.
Thanks for ruining everything!!!
No charge.
And being right almost all of the time annoys me so...
Watch it, butch. If I find that aura around you is hubris, I'll be quite disappointed.
Nah, I'd rather right a Paladin novel. :P
Dude, you can't even spell write "right." How the hell do expect that to happen? ;)
You and everyone else... Though my Tiefling has it the worse. Everyone thinks and calls his a Half-Demon. Drives me crazy.
OK, this is the biggin' for me. Is Paul Kemp under the same assumption? 'Cause, Magadon--in the Cale books--is a tiefling. Yet, his father is Mephistopheles.
So, is he half-demon or tiefling?
OK, this is the biggin' for me. Is Paul Kemp under the same assumption? 'Cause, Magadon--in the Cale books--is a tiefling. Yet, his father is Mephistopheles.
So, is he half-demon or tiefling?
-Half Fiend.
-Half Fiend.
Half-retarded?
Watch it, butch. If I find that aura around you is hubris, I'll be quite disappointed.
Life is full of disappointments.
Dude, you can't even spell write "right." How the hell do expect that to happen? ;)
Editors. :P 'sides, not my fault my mind moves faster then my fingers.
OK, this is the biggin' for me. Is Paul Kemp under the same assumption? 'Cause, Magadon--in the Cale books--is a tiefling. Yet, his father is Mephistopheles.
So, is he half-demon or tiefling?
Aye, Half-Fiend.
Half-retarded?
-The other half might be.
Got the half-fiend thing. But my concern is why he is called a tiefling.
That's easy. To many people can't tell the difference between races such as Aasimar/Tiefling, which are again, at most, 1/4 celestial/fiend, and Half-Celestial/Half-Fiend, which are, as the name implies 1/2 celestial/fiend.
That's easy. To many people can't tell the difference between races such as Aasimar/Tiefling, which are again, at most, 1/4 celestial/fiend, and Half-Celestial/Half-Fiend, which are, as the name implies 1/2 celestial/fiend.
And again, my question was in question with Paul Kemp. As the narrator of a story, why not call Magadon a "half-fiend," rather than a tiefling?
Also, is there stats on these half-fiends and half-celestials?
And again, my question was in question with Paul Kemp. As the narrator of a story, why not call Magadon a "half-fiend," rather than a tiefling?
Also, is there stats on these half-fiends and half-celestials?
Probably because he confused Half-Fiend with Tiefling. It's not uncommon.
There are, I don't know them off the top of my head...
And again, my question was in question with Paul Kemp. As the narrator of a story, why not call Magadon a "half-fiend," rather than a tiefling?
-Ask him yourself, then. That said, was Magadon referred to as a Tiefling? and, in what context? Was the omniscient narrator voice doing it? In that case, sure, it would be an error. But, if Cale, Riven, or anyone else were doing it, they aren't omniscient, and thus, could be simply using the wrong word, and not knowing it.
Also, is there stats on these half-fiends and half-celestials?
-I believe they were in the Monster Manual. In the back, by the Templates.
-Ask him yourself, then. That said, was Magadon referred to as a Tiefling? and, in what context? Was the omniscient narrator voice doing it? In that case, sure, it would be an error. But, if Cale, Riven, or anyone else were doing it, they aren't omniscient, and thus, could be simply using the wrong word, and not knowing it.
Always making everyone ask him. Why can't answer it for him, Karsus--huh?
And I'm aware about the perception thing. That's why I asked why he as a "narrator" would term him a tiefling.
(sigh)
I'll ask him at some point....
Always making everyone ask him. Why can't answer it for him, Karsus--huh?
-Why can't I not answer it for him? Maybe there's a method to his madness, that we can only begin to grasp at?
-Why can't I not answer it for him? Maybe there's a method to his madness, that we can only begin to grasp at?
Or that maybe you don't have him handy at the moment? I.E. in your pocket?
Or that maybe you don't have him handy at the moment? I.E. in your pocket?
-He's part of the machine. It says as much in his novels.
So if half-celestials are 1/2 celestial and aasimars are 1/4 celestial, what would people with the celestial bloodline be, 1/8?
Aasimar, with fewer sings of their heritage.
Aasimar, with fewer sings of their heritage.
Maybe, but i'm looking at the Celestial bloodline traits and they're.....impressive. Going with the highest bloodline strength you gain +1 to Wis, Cha, and Con by lvl 20, smite evil 1/day, resistance to acid, cold, electricity 5, Alertness, Improved Init., +1 natural armor bonus, protection from evil 1/day, +2 to sense movie, concentration, saves vs. poison, listen, spot, and DR 5/evil. Now granted you do lose 3 effective character levels with the Major bloodline, but still not a horrible trade off and more 'celestial' than an aasimar.
I've read the preview material, and there it was stated that 4E "aasimar" would no longer go by the name "aasimar."
This may have been said before, but just in case...
I've read the preview material, and there it was stated that 4E "aasimar" would no longer go by the name "aasimar."
Yeah, it was discussed. "Aasimar" is too offensive apparently.
So if half-celestials are 1/2 celestial and aasimars are 1/4 celestial, what would people with the celestial bloodline be, 1/8?
-At that point, they're just Humans (or whatever the base race is) with a strong sense of morals.
Yeah, it was discussed. "Aasimar" is too offensive apparently.
-What a bunch of dumb Aasimars.
-What a bunch of dumb Aasimars.
I wasn't going to go there, but if you are, then I'll not hesitate next time.
Too bad Ody is gone for the next four months. He was a good one to call silly names.
That's stupid, now what will we call them by, Angel-Touched?
It's likely they will just be called "celestials" (remember, names are changing around for 4E).
It's likely they will just be called "celestials" (remember, names are changing around for 4E).
Then what happens to the "celestials?"
I just say we bring in some censorship and call them Bootymar's or Buttmar's. That'll fix it!
Then what happens to the "celestials?"
-They get new names, like everyone else, apparently.
"Boy, back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy-schmancy stuff. We had Aasimar and..."
I just say we bring in some censorship and call them Bootymar's or Buttmar's. That'll fix it!
-Donkeymar. Gluteomar.
-They get new names, like everyone else, apparently.
Yes. And whole categories of creatures have changed in nature, as well. For example, eladrins are now a type of elven creature, and are no longer celestials.
Yes. And whole categories of creatures have changed in nature, as well. For example, eladrins are now a type of elven creature, and are no longer celestials.
-Well, with that, certain archetypes of Elves are now called Eladrins. Sun/Moon/Star Elves in the Forgotten Realms. I haven't heard that what we knew as Eladrin are no longer celestial creatures, anymore. Elves got moved into the name, so presumably (at least, I think), what were once Eldadrin got bumped somewhere else.
I haven't heard that what we knew as Eladrin are no longer celestial creatures, anymore.
I have.
It's all part of the desire not to be repetitive and not to have too many goodly creatures (remember the rationale that PCs rarely fight good creatures, so they are pointless to have, as per WotC). Now the former eladrins are just fey creatures rather than heavenly representations of the Chaotic Good alignment.I have.
-Oh. Hmm...Well, I guess it could be worse. I've always seen Eladrin as "Celestial Fey" anyway, so...Thanks for sharing.
-Oh. Hmm...Well, I guess it could be worse. I've always seen Eladrin as "Celestial Fey" anyway, so...Thanks for sharing.
You're welcome.
I think I saw what I did in the preview material, but I can't quite remember (could have been a comment from a designer somewhere).Wonder who will fill the lawful good divine servitor role now. They mentioned angels and Exarchs in the corner of the immortals vs the archons of the elementals. Perhaps the exarchs are the new planetars and astral devas.
They are chaotic evil to boot.
Wonder who will fill the lawful good divine servitor role now.
Angels, I guess.
They can be lawful good (though not only LG).-Yes, from what I remember, 'angel' is now just a generic term for an extraplanar creature that serves a deity. Their alignments run the entire gamut.
Cool. Finally, we can really face the Angel of Death. It'll be like in the movie The Prophecy.
Cool. Finally, we can really face the Angel of Death. It'll be like in the movie The Prophecy.
-Well, nothing was stopping anyone from "facing" an/the Angel of Death (Malach HaMavet ;))to begin with.
That's stupid, now what will we call them by, Angel-Touched?
No. They would be called:
Touched By An Angel!:D
Wonder where the touching is happening... :D
Wouldn't YOU like to know!:P
:D
Yes, with photos and illustrations, along with at least 20 minutes of YouTube documentation to enjoy at my leisure... :P :D
You may have all this and more IF you offer the proper sacrifices!
Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Tieflings! Still my tieflings are pale skinned, dark haired, light eyed (green, blue, grey, hazel, etc), gorgeous, and wear tight leather outfits...errr ummm....sorry about that I mean they dress like responsible adults (pfffft whatever that means). Not those hideous freaks of 4e.
Some of my half-devil humans look a bit like those tieflings. Those from 4e not my tieflings above with their hot tight leather outfits.....mmmmmm...female tiefling. What!? Oh, right. Anyways. While others look like what devil "influenced" their human parent. Of course I have little flying imps mixed with halflings......I call them SHRWImps (Short. Hafling. Remade. With. Imps).
I like em very useful, SHRWImps that is, not pigeons. Far more reliable then pigeons. Tried a giant sized messanger launcher once upon a time. Seemed to work fine too.....though there was that problem with landings. Dragons seemed to work as well, yet the occasional misunderstandings did happen. Sparked a few wars and whatnot, what with the occasional "important" individual being eaten or a town or two burnt down. What are you looking like that at me for. Sigh younguns these days! Still it had merit and I personally liked the idea since I am partial to dragons. The way they flutter about or something....seems nearly magical. Hmmm, whats that youngun?
Oh right that is a magical image of me devestating some orc horde. Did it a couple of times. Though that was the biggest horde I singlehandendly destroyed. What!? Ioulaum! Where is that scoundrel?! Whats that? No, no, no younguns I am not the "great" Ioulaum....became an elder brain or something. I doubt that. Seems kinda silly to me. Let the empire crumble he did or something though personally I think it was that foolish youth Karsus. I think ultimate blame resides with the goddess of magic however. Never trust a deity young ones. Why you ask. Why, their mistakes usually end up causing great havoc.....something along the fall of Netheril, I would say. I mean what kind of simple minded idjit lets a mortal have unfettered access to the Art. Someone along the likes of me can use it wisely......though there was that time.....hmmm. Oh yes! Sorry. Now I have mostly used it wisely yet I never did something as silly as disrupt the goddess of magic at a critical time.
Enough stories today younguns! Time to study the Art my favorite subject actually. Did I ever tell you about that wind gust spell and women.........
-Well, nothing was stopping anyone from "facing" an/the Angel of Death (Malach HaMavet ;))to begin with.
How so? Barring Jehova from the discussion.
Either way, I'd get into that if they worked it properly. The gods sending their angels down as messengers and task managers would be a sweet deal. It helps remove the god/mortal intermingling, while keeping the god/mortal intermingling.
You may have all this and more IF you offer the proper sacrifices!
I've got three pennies, a gum wrapper, a receipt from Taco Bell and a dead mouse. Is that enough for the goods?
Of course angels can be evil.
Thanks a lot, lady!!! Now I'm gonna have to sleep with my damn teddy bear all night!!!
Please tell me I wasn't on an acid trip there. Somebody? Please?!!
Thanks a lot, lady!!! Now I'm gonna have to sleep with my damn teddy bear all night!!!
Sorry, sorry.
:D
Sorry, sorry.
It's ok. Me and Snuggles forgive you.
Just no more trippy-clay-Satan-Saturday-morning-cartoons, okay?
It's ok. Me and Snuggles forgive you.
Just no more trippy-clay-Satan-Saturday-morning-cartoons, okay?
Well, I can't promise that...
Thanks a lot, lady!!! Now I'm gonna have to sleep with my damn teddy bear all night!!!
Please tell me I wasn't on an acid trip there. Somebody? Please?!!
I'm just glad I'm not clicking on the link then.
I'm just glad I'm not clicking on the link then.
You don't know what you're missing.
Well, I can't promise that...
A bit twisted, are we?
I'm just glad I'm not clicking on the link then.
Oh, for
sake!! Man up and grab a teddy bear! You can do this!!How so? Barring Jehova from the discussion.
Either way, I'd get into that if they worked it properly. The gods sending their angels down as messengers and task managers would be a sweet deal. It helps remove the god/mortal intermingling, while keeping the god/mortal intermingling.
-PCs do something. X deity sends an Angel to "deal" with them. For example, PCs enter into a crypt, as they want to recover one of the Vecna items. Angels monitoring the crypt have been told to not allow anyone to recover said item(s). Thus, the PCs fight LG Angels. Just like it's possible for two LE people/entities to come to blows, so too is it possible for two LG people/entities to come to blows.
Of course angels can be evil.
-I am having Deja Vu.
-PCs do something. X deity sends an Angel to "deal" with them. For example, PCs enter into a crypt, as they want to recover one of the Vecna items. Angels monitoring the crypt have been told to not allow anyone to recover said item(s). Thus, the PCs fight LG Angels. Just like it's possible for two LE people/entities to come to blows, so too is it possible for two LG people/entities to come to blows.
Oh, indeed. Point taken.
Just, when I was gaming, "angels" didn't exist. When a god wanted you not to do something, he simply sent an army after you or came down themselves.
Had Tempus do both to me. Turd.
Just, when I was gaming, "angels" didn't exist. When a god wanted you not to do something, he simply sent an army after you or came down themselves.
-Haven't they been in the game since it's beginnings?
-Haven't they been in the game since it's beginnings?
I spent most of my time in FR as a PC and not a DM. Out of respect for the DM running things, I didn't read sourcebooks.
So, while I know they existed, the manner in which they served is lost on me.
...
And BTW--want to make sure you got my PM.
I spent most of my time in FR as a PC and not a DM. Out of respect for the DM running things, I didn't read sourcebooks.
So, while I know they existed, the manner in which they served is lost on me.
-Ah, I see. Now, that's respect.
And BTW--want to make sure you got my PM.
-I believe I did, yes.
-Ah, I see. Now, that's respect.
I respected the person. Had I not, I would have dived right in just to subjugate his stupidity.
-I believe I did, yes.
Well, that's reassuring.
Either way, I bounced my head off the desk when I realized what I had actually sent. So my apologies again.
Besides...I'm sure Stigger and Ody didn't mean for those pictures to surface....
I respected the person. Had I not, I would have dived right in just to subjugate his stupidity.
-As it should be.
Either way, I bounced my head off the desk when I realized what I had actually sent. So my apologies again.
-No offense taken. I was slightly confused, at first, but all was cleared up.
-No offense taken. I was slightly confused, at first, but all was cleared up.
Good. Can I have those pics back? I'm not thinkin' I was to share them.
I've got three pennies, a gum wrapper, a receipt from Taco Bell and a dead mouse. Is that enough for the goods?
I'll take your 3 pennies, gum wrapper, receipt from Taco Bell and your dead mouse. Now I will require your First Born, your Ancestral Sword and YOUR SOUL for starters. Once this has been offered, negotiations may begin!
:D
I wasn't going to go there, but if you are, then I'll not hesitate next time.
Too bad Ody is gone for the next four months. He was a good one to call silly names.
Hey! Kiss my Aasimar! Ah good times....
-I am having Deja Vu.
Did you watch the whole thing?;)
I'll take your 3 pennies, gum wrapper, receipt from Taco Bell and your dead mouse. Now I will require your First Born, your Ancestral Sword and YOUR SOUL for starters. Once this has been offered, negotiations may begin!
:D
Hmm...? Well, first, I'm sterile. So I can't give you my first born, as I have not and will not be having one. But I'll be happy to steal somebody else's and give it to you.
Second, my blade is stuck in the head of the great red dragon, Filitosilkanitz. Unfortunately, I'm too weak to pull it out. I can give you a map though....
Third, my soul belongs to BEJEBUZ!! PRAISE BEJEBUZ!!!
Now, do we have a deal or what?
Hey! Kiss my Aasimar! Ah good times....
Aasimarwipe. :D
Did you watch the whole thing?;)
-No, I didn't even watch it, but I knew instinctivley what it was.
-I promise I will watch it, though.
-No, I didn't even watch it, but I knew instinctivley what it was.
-I promise I will watch it, though.
Here. Take Snuggles. He'll help you through it.
-No, I didn't even watch it, but I knew instinctivley what it was.
-I promise I will watch it, though.
You'd better watch it, or else!
Just kidding.;) :P
You'd better watch it, or else!
Just kidding.;) :P
-I will, I will. I have Snuggles now.
-Something that I have wondered is, since Tieflings are being introduced as a new "Core" race, why isn't the same happening to the Race Formerly Known as Aasimar? An "Evil is Cool!" type of thing, you think?
-Something that I have wondered is, since Tieflings are being introduced as a new "Core" race, why isn't the same happening to the Race Formerly Known as Aasimar? An "Evil is Cool!" type of thing, you think?
As per the preview material, you are sorta right. According to WotC, the origin of tieflings gives them a compelling hook, whereas aasimar weren't seen as quite so compelling or fantastic. The article about this in Races and Classes called it the "Ave Maria" problem, based on two segments in Fantasia ("A Night on Bald Mountain" with the giant, scary demon leaves more of an impression on the viewer than the goodly nuns walking with lights walking across the scene when dawn breaks).
As per the preview material, you are sorta right. According to WotC, the origin of tieflings gives them a compelling hook, whereas aasimar weren't seen as quite so compelling or fantastic.
-Would I be overstepping my bounds by going, "Oh my G-d, you've gotta be kidding..."
?-Would I be overstepping my bounds by going, "Oh my G-d, you've gotta be kidding..."
*laughs* No, no. I'm not kidding, though.
*laughs* No, no. I'm not kidding, though.
-I know...That's the problem...
-I don't know...Is it me, or isn't the "hook" that a character is born from the divine "compelling" enough for the billions of Christians out there in the world? Well, whatever.
-I don't know...Is it me, or isn't the "hook" that a character is born from the divine "compelling" enough for the billions of Christians out there in the world? Well, whatever.
*shrug* I guess aasimar weren't seen as having that "special something", that "oomph" (although, it wasn't uncommon for me to read about aasimar PCs, either, so...).
-I know...That's the problem...
-I don't know...Is it me, or isn't the "hook" that a character is born from the divine "compelling" enough for the billions of Christians out there in the world? Well, whatever.
Dude, the Christians that would really get into such a hook are far too holy rollin' to play D&D. It's considered Satanic--yes, even today.
Then you have "Christians" themselves, who, despite whatever they are supposed to represent, are just like everyone else. As with the masses, they will choose the the teifling that allows them to be a bit wicked, rather than an aasimar where they have to uphold moral values that most can't achieve in everyday life.
Then you have "Christians" themselves, who, despite whatever they are supposed to represent, are just like everyone else. As with the masses, they will choose the the teifling that allows them to be a bit wicked, rather than an aasimar where they have to uphold moral values that most can't achieve in everyday life.
-That's not exactly what I meant. I meant it as it's funny that that sort of origin is not seen as interesting enough, when it is really the basis for one of (if not the largest, I'm not sure) religions in the world.
-That's not exactly what I meant. I meant it as it's funny that that sort of origin is not seen as interesting enough, when it is really the basis for one of (if not the largest, I'm not sure) religions in the world.
"The basis?" That needs some explaining.
"The basis?" That needs some explaining.
-One of the core tenets of Christianity is that Jesus is a divine being made flesh, born of a mortal woman.
-One of the core tenets of Christianity is that Jesus is a divine being made flesh, born of a mortal woman.
Well, that's part of it....
Either way, how many Christians do you know think the bible is "cool"? Christians are Christians because they believe its their salvation, not because they're into the story. And, as I stated, they are just like everyone else. Just because they are labeled something doesn't mean that they are different from the masses. A vast majority would still be so even if Jesus was Satan's child--and they'd probably see that as cooler, to boot.
Hmm...? Well, first, I'm sterile. So I can't give you my first born, as I have not and will not be having one. But I'll be happy to steal somebody else's and give it to you.
Second, my blade is stuck in the head of the great red dragon, Filitosilkanitz. Unfortunately, I'm too weak to pull it out. I can give you a map though....
Third, my soul belongs to BEJEBUZ!! PRAISE BEJEBUZ!!!
Now, do we have a deal or what?
1st point: I suppose I can accept that as I did not specify, Natural Born.
2nd point: How about a nice Silver Longsword instead, hunh?
3rd point: I do have HALF-OFF days, so half a Soul will do, for this week only, for only the price of: YOUR TOTAL ACCUMULATED WEALTH FROM THIS POINT ONWARD, whereas you promiss to accumulate as much (earthly, not spirtual) wealth as possible.
If this is accepted, we may start negotiations for said information.
:D
Well, that's part of it....
-I said 'one'...
Either way, how many Christians do you know think the bible is "cool"? Christians are Christians because they believe its their salvation, not because they're into the story. And, as I stated, they are just like everyone else. Just because they are labeled something doesn't mean that they are different from the masses. A vast majority would still be so even if Jesus was Satan's child--and they'd probably see that as cooler, to boot.
-All of which taken in stride, I still find it ironic.
1st point: I suppose I can accept that as I did not specify, Natural Born.
2nd point: How about a nice Silver Longsword instead, hunh?
3rd point: I do have HALF-OFF days, so half a Soul will do, for this week only, for only the price of: YOUR TOTAL ACCUMULATED WEALTH FROM THIS POINT ONWARD, whereas you promiss to accumulate as much (earthly, not spirtual) wealth as possible.
If this is accepted, we may start negotiations for said information.
:D
Man, you just suck at negotiations.
Forget it. I'll just get what I need off Limewire or something. They don't ask for my first born, now do they?
-I said 'one'...
How'd I know you would reply with that? ;)
-All of which taken in stride, I still find it ironic.
Indeed, but it is what it is. For the most part, people want to get as far away from the "norm" as they can with these things.
EDIT:
What LK said about Aasimar... getting really sick of this 'evil as cool' attitude going around of late. Sooooo damned boring by now.
Agreed, but its here to stay.
What LK said about Aasimar... getting really sick of this 'evil as cool' attitude going around of late. Sooooo damned boring by now.
Well, it's not just "evil is cool", but also, "good just doesn't seem as fascinating as evil".
Of course, all that's aside from the fact that neither tieflings or aasimar are forced to be any particular alignment.
Man, you just suck at negotiations.
Forget it. I'll just get what I need off Limewire or something. They don't ask for my first born, now do they?
I don't suck at negotiating. You just haven't offered enough for the information. I am just providing some examples of worthy sacrifices for the Secret Information you desire so strongly.
If you are not willing to pay the price, then you are not worthy of the information.;)
:P
:D
I don't suck at negotiating. You just haven't offered enough for the information. I am just providing some examples of worthy sacrifices for the Secret Information you desire so strongly.
If you are not willing to pay the price, then you are not worthy of the information.;)
:P
:D
Damn. I hate self-loathing....
Well, it's not just "evil is cool", but also, "good just doesn't seem as fascinating as evil".
Of course, all that's aside from the fact that neither tieflings or aasimar are forced to be any particular alignment.
I'd go into my thoughts on good not being as fascinating, but I don't really want to give you the impression I'm directing the ire in your direction... not right now anyway.
As to that last bit, its not like that wasn't the case in 3e (or even 2e for that matter) to begin with.
I'd go into my thoughts on good not being as fascinating, but I don't really want to give you the impression I'm directing the ire in your direction... not right now anyway.
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As always, I blame this on the drow.
I'd go into my thoughts on good not being as fascinating, but I don't really want to give you the impression I'm directing the ire in your direction... not right now anyway.
"Not right now?" What does that mean?
I had no intention of starting any kind of argument.Just to clarify, I'm not expressing my own opinion that good can't be fascinating, just reporting what the preview material says about the topic.
Heh, no, wasn't directed at you in the slightest, I followed that it was from the previews. It was more directed at what I consider a certain lack of creativity on the part of writers and designers who'd rather take an easy way out with a 'tried and true' horribly bland anti-hero type rather than delve into a compelling goodly character who has believable humanity rather than falling back on stereotypes and tired cliches of what a goodly type should be. Its a rarity in most genres of fiction, not just the Realms mind you.
Ah, OK, thanks for clarifying.
For the record, I've decided that if I get to play a 4E tiefling, he will be good, and not an anti-hero.
Tieflings and half-devils make wonderful servants as they rarely reject my tantalizing orders to deal with troublemakers. My favorite are my SHRWImps (Short Halfings Remade With Imps) who make excellent little spies and assassins.
Humanity shmanity! Give me my little evil blasphemers anyday! Heretics! Pagans! Infidels! Tell of the propaganda of the doodoo gooders! I am one with the dieing of the light! Welcome the darkness! Mother Darkness! Mother Darkness! Mother Darkness! For she captivates us and gives us our righteousness to tell the truth of existence!!
Awww maaaan the doodoo gooders gotta win! The whole ******** butterflys and ******* rainbows, puppy dogs and kittens coalition has got to go.
Well, I'd be in favor of curb-stomping every kitten and puppy in the US if it makes you feel any better...
(...) I am one with the dieing of the light! Welcome the darkness! Mother Darkness! Mother Darkness! Mother Darkness! For she captivates us and gives us our righteousness to tell the truth of existence!! (...)
Shar is -so- 3.5E. And we know that's over. Welcome to Amaunator's bright new 4E! :D
I'm not too keen on Lathander being replaced. Why did WotC like Amaunator better?
This is just my speculation from my own gaming experiences on both sides (DM and player), but Lathander has an odd "feel" to many people in that he is a greater deity but he seems "young" in maturity and goals. He's fairly straightforward, and perhaps a little "simplistic" in the sense of working toward a "dawn cataclysm" (although people argue about this, so...). The other (odd, imo) thing about Lathander is that they never explored his interaction with female deities - and he is essentially the male "ideal" in terms of physical form and activities. *ahem* Read into that what you will, but I think it would've been interesting to see more of that side of Lathander. ;)
Amaunator on the other hand, is a more "mature" form that can be explored (Lathander could be, but not as much). People will be interested in exploring the new paths this deity will go down, as he likely has different and more complex goals. The fact that he technically held the portfolio of time during the old Netheril age and yet allowed Mystryl to actively oversee it - that speaks to complexity of motive and intent. We also know some tidbits about him already (although this depends on whether you might use the Baldur's Gate information in your own game), which serve well for whetting players' appetites.
This is just my speculation from my own gaming experiences on both sides (DM and player), but Lathander has an odd "feel" to many people in that he is a greater deity but he seems "young" in maturity and goals. He's fairly straightforward, and perhaps a little "simplistic" in the sense of working toward a "dawn cataclysm" (although people argue about this, so...). The other (odd, imo) thing about Lathander is that they never explored his interaction with female deities - and he is essentially the male "ideal" in terms of physical form and activities. *ahem* Read into that what you will, but I think it would've been interesting to see more of that side of Lathander. ;)
Well, Lathander is known to have romanced Tyche (who later split into Tymora and Beshaba) and Chauntea (see the novel Tymora's Luck).
Amaunator on the other hand, is a more "mature" form that can be explored (Lathander could be, but not as much). People will be interested in exploring the new paths this deity will go down, as he likely has different and more complex goals. The fact that he technically held the portfolio of time during the old Netheril age and yet allowed Mystryl to actively oversee it - that speaks to complexity of motive and intent. We also know some tidbits about him already (although this depends on whether you might use the Baldur's Gate information in your own game), which serve well for whetting players' appetites.
I was moved by Amaunator's appearance in BG2. However, I never entertained the idea of him coming back into prominence, much less being revealed as the same deity as Lathander.
... much less being revealed as the same deity as Lathander.
-Especially when the mainstream Lathanderite Church condemned the Risen Sun sect as heretics.
-Especially when the mainstream Lathanderite Church condemned the Risen Sun sect as heretics.
Indeed, "Lathander=Amaunator" hasn't yet been fully explained...
Well, Lathander is known to have romanced Tyche (who later split into Tymora and Beshaba) and Chauntea (see the novel Tymora's Luck).
Heh. Yes, but - okay, let me try a different perspective. Lathander is like a teenager or really young man, but it's hard to see him in a fatherly role. Easy to see him dating, but he hasn't settled and started a family. Lathander is about potentiality, the beginning of things, the planting of seeds and the tender of sprouts.
I suspect (and again, this is all speculation) that Amaunator will be far more mature. As the High Sun, he will represent the maturity of early-to-middle fatherhood, seeing plans come to fruition, the development of strong legal codes (which we already know of Amaunator; and note the change in Cormyr, and their new legal code). He's just a lot more interesting, because he has moved from potential to action. He will also likely resume guardianship of time. They -could- also explore his interaction with the typical counterpart to Sun gods, the (female) lunar deity, Selune. At his strongest, a more firm alliance with Selune would better balance Shar.
If they take that route with Amaunator, it might even make sense to develop an as-yet-little-known aspect who will eventually replace Amaunator (like a "setting sun" old man aspect). One who has a portfolio more strongly tied to wisdom, experience, and the aspects of grandfather-hood. We might see this, maybe, for 5E's RSE. Heh!
I was moved by Amaunator's appearance in BG2. However, I never entertained the idea of him coming back into prominence, much less being revealed as the same deity as Lathander.
I didn't either, really. But it's an interesting way to pull in a realistic idea from mythology and shake up the Realms a little.
Heh, hang with me for a sec on this. Imagine you're a hapless NPC living in 1385, and -zap!- Mystra is assassinated and the Spellplague causes mass chaos and destruction. What if the general populace learned of Cyric and Shar's treachery (through stories, bards, what have you) and generally become angry that the good gods didn't do much to keep Cyric in check, or punish him for that matter. "The gods have no laws?!" and, "we need a god who will mete out punishment according to law!" go the cries of Faerunians. Perhaps even, "Lathander is supposed to be good and lawful, so what has he done about Cyric?"
In the hearts of millions of faithful, all who want retribution against Cyric for not only Mystra but all the damage and horror caused by the Spellplague, Lathander undergoes a "forced" change. He's forced to become mature, and responsible for upholding the law, not just good for himself and his church, not just lawful for himself and so on...
Perhaps it's the newly risen Amaunator who rallies the good deities against Cyric and give him the punishment we've heard about.
Seems way more interesting to me.
I don't like this Risen Sun business at all. Especially considering that it can't actually be true, as the God of Dusk is very clearly a wholly different being altogether. Not to mention that two aspects of the sun have coexisted before. Highsun coexisted with Dusk, and Dusk coexisted with Dawn. Why can't Dawn coexist with Highsun, and have both Lathander and Amaunator active at once? IMO, the two of them active at once would've been fantastic. *sigh* Wasted opportunities, and all that.
-Oh, yes. All of that has been debated extensivley, with no answer that made sense really stemming from any of it. If I am not mistaken, Rich Baker was asked as well.
The Dark Mother is EVIL. She is EVIL, pure and undefinable in her greatness!
Shar is just pathetic and Lathander would be snuffed out if she even bothered to notice him in all his patheticness.
That is the Dark Mother to which I refer.
Pffft Shar....try far older....try more powerful then Ao.
-Of course, in Realmspace, nothing is more powerful than Ao.
In some sources it is hinted at that Ao may answer to even greater powers. Ao supposedly says that mortals must decide the fate of Toril yet Shar and Cyric conspire to slay Mystra so there goes Ao not bothering to enforce his own decree.
Realmspace is nice and all yet a whole multiverse awaits and things older and more powerful then Ao exist. Of course this is beyond the understanding of most of those that exist in the realms.
-Indeed. And, yet, Ao is ∞.
In some sources it is hinted at that Ao may answer to even greater powers.
-Not exactly. The last scene in the Avatar Trilogy was representative of the DM, and thus, a breaking of the Fourth Wall.
Another thing about Amaunator that seems interesting to me, and it fits with the new 4E lore of the Spellplague (at least, with what we know so far), Lathander may have been "forcibly" transformed into Amaunator by the general population of worshippers.
I find this very likely. With the way things are going in the church, your theory seems sound.
Though, I will state that Lathander is neutral good. Therefore your theory on him being accountable for heavenly deaths isn't quite sound. ;)
Perhaps Lathander was just an alternate personality.
Just because you're suffering with multiple personalities, doesn't mean Lathander is.
If that was the case, I imagine that there would have been some hints or speculation at some point. For the god to just wig out one day and suddenly become Amaunator, Lathander and Michael Jackson doesn't make much sense to me.
Though he would dance a hell of a lot better. Ow!
Just a hypothosis to explain the change.
Just a hypothosis to explain the change.
-We have already been given a reason as to explain "what's up". Basically, now, the Sun Deity is a triune deity, with different faces/aspects/manifestations appearing at different times. So, in other words, there is now one greater metaphysical being controlling the Dusk-Dawn-High Sun portfolios. Of course, when analyzed, things begin to break down.
They are really thowing out the history of the Realms in this redesign. i really don't like that. Hopefully the product we be really good anyway though.
Which personality is hoping this?
xmen001. Why?
'Cause xmen213 said something similar and I had to be sure which two I was going to drown because of their false optimism. ;)
An old Orc saying I believe. I guess they just wanted to use the wisdom of the Orc for the Forgotten Realms.
Seriously though without an Aasimar kingdom around who will my tieflings kill for fun?!
Seriously though without an Aasimar kingdom around who will my tieflings kill for fun?!
Guess you will have to settle for the Dragonborn as the Aasimar kingdom was sent to Abeir.:D
Guess you will have to settle for the Dragonborn as the Aasimar kingdom was sent to Abeir.:D
The Dragonborn have potential....hmmm. My my what fun!
Wow, this is all really drastic. I was going to get the 4e realms, but will probably now read it a bit first before getting anything.
Just now getting that "drastic" part, huh? ;)
If I was you--whether your into things or not--I would wait. Let the campaign setting come out, then check back here to see what the uproar is during the first week of release. You should have a good idea at that point if its something you're willing to risk buying.
Well, the good thing is if 4e Realms ISN'T as good, and 4e mechanics are bad, whatever sourcebooks I never picked up are cheaper for 3.5 :P
From what I've heard and read, 4e mechanics are pretty good.
FR 4e is a different story.
All the same, I'm sure you'll find it all cheaper on ebay at no time at all. Do me a favor and pick up that tortilla with Jesus on it while you're at it. I'll give you 10% as a buyers fee.
From what I've heard and read, 4e mechanics are pretty good.
FR 4e is a different story.
All the same, I'm sure you'll find it all cheaper on ebay at no time at all. Do me a favor and pick up that tortilla with Jesus on it while you're at it. I'll give you 10% as a buyers fee.
Well 3.x FR can always be used for 4e, and The Realms Vault is making an alternative, so there are a bunch of alternatives.
And no, I will not buy your tortilla.
And no, I will not buy your tortilla.
Wud a frikkin jerk. I as' fo' one frikkin' fava' and he t'rows me to da wo'ves.
Jerkov'...
From what I've heard and read, 4e mechanics are pretty good.
FR 4e is a different story.
All the same, I'm sure you'll find it all cheaper on ebay at no time at all. Do me a favor and pick up that tortilla with Jesus on it while you're at it. I'll give you 10% as a buyers fee.
Oh, just FYI, the Jesus Tortilla was broken and could not be repaired. The lady's granddaughter took it to school for show and tell and dropped it. True story.
So any future sightings of holy Jesus tortillas are likely to be frauds. That's right, FRAUDS! Humanity didn't protect and care for the first one, so there won't be any more. :D
It's a shame because the first one had amazing healing powers. It could cure indigestion and relieve the mouth-burn from really hot green chile. Such a shame it's gone forever...
Oh, just FYI, the Jesus Tortilla was broken and could not be repaired. The lady's granddaughter took it to school for show and tell and dropped it. True story.
So any future sightings of holy Jesus tortillas are likely to be frauds. That's right, FRAUDS! Humanity didn't protect and care for the first one, so there won't be any more. :D
It's a shame because the first one had amazing healing powers. It could cure indigestion and relieve the mouth-burn from really hot green chile. Such a shame it's gone forever...
Will--gug!
For fuc--gug!
Can't you ju-gug!
Fine! It was a big frikkin' magical tortilla that would solved ALL the problems of the world. Great. Just frikkin' great!!
You know how much money I could have made if you just kept quiet?!!
To paraphrase LK "What a dumbaasimar."
As for you, I MADE the Aasimar slang. Don't you dare get smartaasimer on me, bub!
Why. Why, Bejebuz!!!
Fine! It was a big frikkin' magical tortilla that would solved ALL the problems of the world. Great. Just frikkin' great!!
I know, it's sad. Learning the truth made baby Jebuz cry.
You know how much money I could have made if you just kept quiet?!!
$24.17 before taxes. People down here are poor. If you want to make money, I suggest blue chip stocks. Or pyramid schemes.
I know, it's sad. Learning the truth made baby Jebuz cry.
Who the hell is Jebuz? Is he that guy in the bible?
$24.17 before taxes. People down here are poor. If you want to make money, I suggest blue chip stocks. Or pyramid schemes.
Well, I'm not down there where "People down here are poor." You dont fool me woman--I know. I do!
I didn't either, really. But it's an interesting way to pull in a realistic idea from mythology and shake up the Realms a little.
I think the Realms has already been shaken up more than enough, even without the Lathander/Amaunator stuff.
Hasbro could make a fortune on the "CelestiKids" line. Little angelic warriors with swords and wings, and a detachable halo. And a cute little D&D logo on the package, hehe! ;)
-I have often wondered why there weren't any D&D toys. I mean, hell, I might have bought a couple.
Yep, and I'd just love to see the little plush Lantern Archon toys that I teased about a while back... :D
Yep, and I'd just love to see the little plush Lantern Archon toys that I teased about a while back... :D
-Alright, that one, I might not have gotten. ;)
-Alright, that one, I might not have gotten. ;)
It was just me teasing about setting up a Lantern Archon Fund and for the donation of a few coins, one could get a plush lantern archon sent to their door by a half-celestial which happens to look like Greg Horn's Serra Angel, LOL. Don't worry about not getting it... it was a while back. I just happen to have a long memory. ;)
It was just me teasing about setting up a Lantern Archon Fund and for the donation of a few coins, one could get a plush lantern archon sent to their door by a half-celestial which happens to look like Greg Horn's Serra Angel, LOL. Don't worry about not getting it... it was a while back. I just happen to have a long memory. ;)
-I remember that, vaguely. I was saying that that would be one product I might not get, not that I don't get the post. :P
You heard it here first.
Blasphemy!
Take it back!! TAKE IT BACK!!
So... I just heard the rumor the Aasimar will be called Seraphim now.
Source? Because according to Races & Classes, they're going to be called Celestials.
Source? Because according to Races & Classes, they're going to be called Celestials.
Celestial is a WAY better name than Seraphim.
and I believe they thought it sounded (or came out sounding) to much like ass-smear...
Who wants to be a hero with dirty draws?
Celestial is a WAY better name than Seraphim.
-I agree, but only because Seraphim are something else (Angels).
...wow...
and I believe they thought it sounded (or came out sounding) to much like ass-smear...
Who wants to be a hero with dirty draws?
-Not it!
-I agree, but only because Seraphim are something else (Angels).
And a bit more.
Another posiblilty is Nephilim. These are just rumors floating on the boards.
Far more realistic.
Though seriously, Seraphim for aasimar seems just weird, given that its pretty much just another name for a Solar from what I understand. Nephilim... not sure how I feel about that one, though it would sort of fit... sort of if you squint hard enough and look at it sideways. Celestial sounds better, if somewhat boring, but still not as good as Aasimar to me.
Another posiblilty is Nephilim. These are just rumors floating on the boards.
Isn't a nephilim just another name for a half-celestial? If so, wouldn't that be like calling a tiefling a cambion?
Getting all the hotties. Doing crimes and acting as if your nose bloods a moment later, relying on your races good reputations. Hehehe Aasimar could be getting the treatment of the halforc. But...
Wait it dawns on me 15th century Orcs will be just as intelligent as humans as they get no more racial ability score penalties.
