- Mystra: Dead. Murdered by Cyric and Shar.
- Cyric: Imprisoned by Tyr, Sune, and Lathander for 1,000 years.
- Helm: Dead. Killed by Tyr in a jealous fit.
- Tymora: Left Brightwater for the House of the Triad and married to Tyr.
- Tyr: Gone. Replaced by Torm.
- Ilmater: Left the House of the Triad for Brightwater.
- Siamorphe: Left the House of the Triad for Brightwater.
- Savras: Dead. Killed when Dweomerheart was destroyed after the death of Mystra.
- Azuth: Lost in the Astral Sea.
- Velsharoon: Lost in the Astral Sea.
- Eilistraee: Dead.
- Kiaransalee: Dead.
- Selvetarm: Dead.
- Vhaeraun: Dead.
- Deep Duerra: Dead.
- Laduguer: Dead.
- Haela Brightaxe: Dead.
- Gorm Gulthyn: Dead.
- Maztica: Disappeared, replaced by a new continent.
- Unther: Gone. Replaced by Tymanther.
- Thay: Elevated a couple hundred feet.
- Sembia: Under the control of the Shades.
- Netheril: Reformed by the Shades.
- More and more and more...
We really got to train you on reading into simple stupidity at some point. ;)
yes
Still laugh at this. :D
Numerous popular NPCs are dead too, such as Qilue "Dead, Forever Dead" Veladorn.
goodbye seven sisters we hardly knew ya
goodbye seven sisters we hardly knew ya
I suppose that depends on who you are.
I knew them all. More than once.
I knew them all. More than once.
all of them at once?
at once?
Wouldn't that be knowing them twice...? Once and once makes...?
But, no. That was all El'. For some reason, he gets the hot tub and I get the one-a-dub.
So you never got invited to Alustriel's after-parties then?
Naw. I don't generally do the club scene these days.
Though, I suppose I should reconsider.
-Read the Countdown to the Realms articles, found at the WotC's website (DRAGON Magazine). There are far to many changes to list easily.
I found three CttR articles in Dragon #362. Is that all of them so far? People sound a lot more informed then I feel after just reading those three (plus I've also read Swordmage). Is there another major source where people are getting info on 4e Realms from?
Btw, here's a link to the articles in case anyone needs. Took me forever to find them!
:P http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drtoc/362I found three CttR articles in Dragon #362. Is that all of them so far? People sound a lot more informed then I feel after just reading those three (plus I've also read Swordmage). Is there another major source where people are getting info on 4e Realms from?
-There are only those three. In addition, there is Swordmage, the prologue and epilogue of The Orc King, and a bunch of assorted replies by Rich Baker in his Ask-the-Author thread.
-There are only those three. In addition, there is Swordmage, the prologue and epilogue of The Orc King, and a bunch of assorted replies by Rich Baker in his Ask-the-Author thread.
did we mention Undead
did we mention Undead
We didn't and should. Also, The Twilight Wars trilogy foreshadows things to come--not directly, but by backing up other info.
-I'm trying to differentiate between things that take place IN the 4e Forgotten Realms, rather than things that allude to it, explain the build-up to it, and yeah.
A bit along those lines, I've heard that Storm of Zehir the next Neverwinter Nights 2 expansion, is going to deal a bit with the transition into the 4th Edition realms...though that expansion won't be out until after the core books. Still, from the press release it sounds like a lot of fun.
A bit along those lines, I've heard that Storm of Zehir the next Neverwinter Nights 2 expansion, is going to deal a bit with the transition into the 4th Edition realms...though that expansion won't be out until after the core books. Still, from the press release it sounds like a lot of fun.
-Don't know. That said, the computer games aren't canon, so...Unless there is a corresponding book. Just said it 'cause it needed to be said, that's all.
A bit along those lines, I've heard that Storm of Zehir the next Neverwinter Nights 2 expansion, is going to deal a bit with the transition into the 4th Edition realms...
How so?
does anyone know what if any changes are planned for FR in 4th edition?
4th Edition? What is this 4th Edition? I've never heard of it! ;) :D
4th Edition? What is this 4th Edition? I've never heard of it! ;) :D
its the third sign of the RPG apocalypse
It would be much simpler listing what hasn't been changed...
Elminster still smokes a pipe.
However, what he puts in it is probably entirely different now.
How so?
Lemme see if I can find the press release....here it is (emphasis added):
LYON, FRANCE – 11 June 2008 – Atari, Wizards of the Coast, a subsidiary of Hasbro, Inc. (NYSE:HAS), announced today that Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir is currently in production. Developed by Obsidian Entertainment, one of the premier independent development studios in the world, the second expansion to Neverwinter Nights 2 will deliver an engrossing D&D® experience in the tradition of the Neverwinter Nights franchise and is scheduled for worldwide launch Q4 2008.
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir hearkens back to the days of the Baldur’s Gate and Icewind Dale franchises by including full party customization, dungeon crawling, and free exploration of a non-linear game world via an Overland Map. The gripping storyline foreshadows the events that will take place in the Forgotten Realms with the coming of release this June of the Fourth Edition of Dngeons & Dragons® Roleplaying Game.
In the aftermath of the defeat of the King of Shadows, the Sword Coast is in the midst of an uneasy economic recovery. Trade syndicates have sprung up to exploit the post-war confusion for their own ends. The player’s party will wade into this uncertain environment; in order to increase their own fortunes, they can either ally with a syndicate to create a trade empire, or cut their own path through Faerûn by preying upon caravans and selling the goods on the black market. As they attempt to extend their influence, players will become aware of a new faction working behind the scenes: the evil, shapeshifting, serpentine Yuan-Ti.
In addition to trading and economic manipulation, the Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir Overland Map allows players to explore the Chultan Peninsula and Sword Coast in a non-linear manner never before seen in any of the Neverwinter Nights games. Exploration will take players from well-known locations, like Neverwinter and Crossroad Keep, to more exotic areas, such as the xenophobic jungle nation of Samarach. Groups of highwaymen and monsters populate the Overland Map and the farther from civilization the player roams, the more difficult the encounters become. The 15-hour campaign in Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir is also packed with new classes, spells, creatures, and playable races.
Fans of the compelling multiplayer features of Neverwinter Nights 2 will also be able to take advantage of new improvements to the multiplayer experience, while modders will be able to take advantage of the power and flexibility of the Overland Map and Trading System features along with other world-building enhancements.
Game Features:
· Travel the Sword Coast and Samarach using the open ended exploration of the new Overland Map. Use skills like Spot and Survival while on the Overland Map to avoid ambushes and even find hidden locales and lost artifacts.
· Create your own full party of adventurers. Devastate your foes with a squad of fireball-flinging Sorcerers, form a solid wall of steel with a party of Fighters, or strike the perfect balance in your party by spreading out the classes you choose for your characters.
· Improved party gameplay including streamlined party conversations, a new Teamwork Benefit System, and powerful party feats.
· The world's economy reacts to your adventures and choices. And, through trading and quests, you can expand your merchant company into a massive trading empire.
More information about Neverwinter Nights 2 can be found at http://www.nwn2.com.
Doesn't really give any details other than that. Though the name Zehir itself is the name of a 4e core God. According to my DMG Guide sitting next to me Zehir is "the evil god of darkness, poison, and assassins. Snakes are his favored creation, and the yaun-ti revere him above all other gods..." I don't remember a Zehir in the current realms, so perhaps he's taking over as the head God of the Yuan-ti and the game will deal with that?
Let's see...
- Mystra: Dead. Murdered by Cyric and Shar.
- Cyric: Imprisoned by Tyr, Sune, and Lathander for 1,000 years.
- Helm: Dead. Killed by Tyr in a jealous fit.
- Tymora: Left Brightwater for the House of the Triad and married to Tyr.
- Tyr: Gone. Replaced by Torm.
- Ilmater: Left the House of the Triad for Brightwater.
- Siamorphe: Left the House of the Triad for Brightwater.
- Savras: Dead. Killed when Dweomerheart was destroyed after the death of Mystra.
- Azuth: Lost in the Astral Sea.
- Velsharoon: Lost in the Astral Sea.
- Eilistraee: Dead.
- Kiaransalee: Dead.
- Selvetarm: Dead.
- Vhaeraun: Dead.
- Deep Duerra: Dead.
- Laduguer: Dead.
- Haela Brightaxe: Dead.
- Gorm Gulthyn: Dead.
- Maztica: Disappeared, replaced by a new continent.
- Unther: Gone. Replaced by Tymanther.
- Thay: Elevated a couple hundred feet.
- Sembia: Under the control of the Shades.
- Netheril: Reformed by the Shades.
- More and more and more...
What the He#@?!! Don't you people know how to put SPOILER on your threads and posts?
What the He#@?!! Don't you people know how to put SPOILER on your threads and posts?
Did you read the original post? The poster was asking about changes to the 4E Realms. The express purpose of this thread is to find out details of the 4E Realms. And you're surprised to find information on the 4E Realms posted in this thread? If you kept reading this thread even after knowing what it was about then you have only yourself to blame for being spoiled.
Nevermind that a lot of those 'spoilers' are from books or articles several months old. Hardly what one could reasonably define as a spoiler.
Create your own full party of adventurers. Devastate your foes with a squad of fireball-flinging Sorcerers, form a solid wall of steel with a party of Fighters, or strike the perfect balance in your party by spreading out the classes you choose for your characters.
-See, that I like. That's why I liked the Icewind Dale games better than the Neverwinter Nights games.
What the He#@?!! Don't you people know how to put SPOILER on your threads and posts?
-All that is old news.
-See, that I like. That's why I liked the Icewind Dale games better than the Neverwinter Nights games.
I believe that this would be an online multiplayer option, rather than a single individual creating his/her own party.
I believe that this would be an online multiplayer option, rather than a single individual creating his/her own party.
-Don't know. But, in the Icewind Dale games, you could make a party of up to six, using all races/classes. It sacrificed character development, but, overall, I think that made the game more enjoyable for me.
-Don't know. But, in the Icewind Dale games, you could make a party of up to six, using all races/classes. It sacrificed character development, but, overall, I think that made the game more enjoyable for me.
I'm aware. I played that and Baldur's Gate with a passion. Loved creating my own parties, too.
The only reason I haven't picked up NWN2 already is because its a little too powerful for my laptop and I want to upgrade before going out and buying it. From the game description, the mechanics of Icewind Dale are not going to be resurrected. It is still a single player game with multiplayer possibility. Thus, creating "your party" involves you creating one character and joining others online to create a party.
Sad, I know.
The only reason I haven't picked up NWN2 already is because its a little too powerful for my laptop and I want to upgrade before going out and buying it.
-I got the game for Chanukkah, last year, and it didn't work on my computer...
I believe that this would be an online multiplayer option, rather than a single individual creating his/her own party.
Now THAT'S what the 'Game table' offered by the DDi should be! :D
If its good, and there's away of adding a 'DM' in there, I may have found the way I want to go for all my FR fun.
-I got the game for Chanukkah, last year, and it didn't work on my computer...
Well, with the way your PC is currently running, I don't doubt that in the least. ;)
Just didn't meet the minimum system requirements or was it something else? Please forewarn me, less I make the same mistake.
Did you read the original post? The poster was asking about changes to the 4E Realms. The express purpose of this thread is to find out details of the 4E Realms. And you're surprised to find information on the 4E Realms posted in this thread? If you kept reading this thread even after knowing what it was about then you have only yourself to blame for being spoiled.
Nevermind that a lot of those 'spoilers' are from books or articles several months old. Hardly what one could reasonably define as a spoiler.
But just by one glance I got a lot of Ascendancy of the Last spoiled for me.
Now THAT'S what the 'Game table' offered by the DDi should be! :D
If its good, and there's away of adding a 'DM' in there, I may have found the way I want to go for all my FR fun.
I agree. Though I doubt the DDI Game Table will be at all that sophisticated.
But just by one glance I got a lot of Ascendancy of the Last spoiled for me.
And once again, why read a thread asking for information about the 4E Realms if you didn't want to know this info?
And once again, why read a thread asking for information about the 4E Realms if you didn't want to know this info?
Because there is A LOT of information out there about 4E via web articles and interviews. But I would expect people to post spoiler warnings when they are posting information that comes from novels. Just because the thread is named 4E? does NOT convey that there will be spoiler information in it.
does anyone know what if any changes are planned for FR in 4th edition?
The very first post. You're surprised that someone brought up the changes?
The very first post. You're surprised that someone brought up the changes?
Man, seriously? I guess I shouldn't have expected much from this forum anyways.....my bad. I will just stick to the Candlekeep forums where people know how to post responsibly.
I guess I shouldn't have expected much from this forum anyways.....my bad.
Hey! I take offense to that.
Just didn't meet the minimum system requirements or was it something else? Please forewarn me, less I make the same mistake.
-The minimum system requirements. The game would start, and then crash, even after all of the extraneous things, like shadows and what not, were turned off.
Hey! I take offense to that.
-Indeed...
-Forgotten Realms:0
18DELTA :P
Man, seriously? I guess I shouldn't have expected much from this forum anyways.....my bad. I will just stick to the Candlekeep forums where people know how to post responsibly.
Cya. You wont be missed.
Lemme see if I can find the press release....here it is (emphasis added):
Doesn't really give any details other than that. Though the name Zehir itself is the name of a 4e core God. According to my DMG Guide sitting next to me Zehir is "the evil god of darkness, poison, and assassins. Snakes are his favored creation, and the yaun-ti revere him above all other gods..." I don't remember a Zehir in the current realms, so perhaps he's taking over as the head God of the Yuan-ti and the game will deal with that?
Hey,
I read the press release by doing a search, but thanks anyway.
By the way, according to Brian R. James over on Candlekeep, Zehir is not a part of the 4E Realms pantheon, so the reference to him might be a mistake (not that any of the NWN games were ever perfectly in step with canon lore).
I believe that this would be an online multiplayer option, rather than a single individual creating his/her own party.
What I've read about the game (which isn't much, I admit) leads me to think otherwise. It's very possible the party customization is meant for single-player games.
What I've read about the game (which isn't much, I admit) leads me to think otherwise. It's very possible the party customization is meant for single-player games.
Well, all we pretty much have to do is ask someone who is playing or has installed NWN2 on their machine. It would be the same game engine used.
Neverwinter Nights 2: Storm of Zehir is simply an add on. True, it can change all the programming already in place, but its not likely. It's like adding the Charater Expansion Pack in NWN1. Nothing special.
I believe that this would be an online multiplayer option, rather than a single individual creating his/her own party.
Actually, this expansion is looking to go back to creating your entire party. That's one of the selling points
Hey,
I read the press release by doing a search, but thanks anyway.
By the way, according to Brian R. James over on Candlekeep, Zehir is not a part of the 4E Realms pantheon, so the reference to him might be a mistake (not that any of the NWN games were ever perfectly in step with canon lore).
Interesting. I've never known the NWN games to include dieties that aren't part of the pantheon though. In addition I thought that Atari and their developers had to get some level of approval from WoTC.
We'll see though. Perhaps that Zehir is unrelated to the Zehir in the core. Maybe it's not a diety, but something else? I guess we'll just have to wait.
Interesting. I've never known the NWN games to include dieties that aren't part of the pantheon though. In addition I thought that Atari and their developers had to get some level of approval from WoTC.
We'll see though. Perhaps that Zehir is unrelated to the Zehir in the core. Maybe it's not a diety, but something else? I guess we'll just have to wait.
-Either way, this is a disturbing occurrence.
In addition I thought that Atari and their developers had to get some level of approval from WoTC.
They do. However, that apparently doesn't mean the game is going to be perfectly in sync with canon lore, since there have been plenty discrepancies in the past.
They do. However, that apparently doesn't mean the game is going to be perfectly in sync with canon lore, since there have been plenty discrepancies in the past.
Of course (Mask of the Betrayer, especially, seems to have some timeline discrepencies). But importing a non-Faerunian god into the realms seems a bit extreme, even given past discrepencies.
That all being said, I'm still super excited for the expansion. I've always wanted to explore Chult in a game
That all being said, I'm still super excited for the expansion. I've always wanted to explore Chult in a game
-The final chapter of Icewind Dale II took place in Chult.
-Either way, this is a disturbing occurrence.
You know, one of my earliest 'predictions' was that the we are going to get the Core pantheon in FR.
I haven't thought that in awhile, but perhaps I was close to the truth of it once again?
"One rules to rule them all" indeed.
-The final chapter of Icewind Dale II took place in Chult.
Really? That was the one Infinity Engine game I never played, lol. I own it too, but I never got past the first part of the game. I think I might have to find (and dust off) my old CDs and give it a run through.
Thanks for pointing that out
You know, one of my earliest 'predictions' was that the we are going to get the Core pantheon in FR.
I haven't thought that in awhile, but perhaps I was close to the truth of it once again?
"One rules to rule them all" indeed.
-Yeah, everything you've said, MT, is coming true...
:P
;)
Really? That was the one Infinity Engine game I never played, lol. I own it too, but I never got past the first part of the game. I think I might have to find (and dust off) my old CDs and give it a run through.
Thanks for pointing that out
-Yeah. Personally, I liked Icewind Dale better than Neverwinter Nights...
...
-Wait, I said all of that already! :D