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#1 lord_karsus May 22, 2008 1:49:28	G0 wrote:
#2 reneshat May 22, 2008 2:09:00	A bit less than your actual daily posts? When more than half of your active threads are active all the time, it greatly throws off the information. Let's say we have 20 very active threads. Also, each day, we have about 40 other threads that are active for that day, but don't get a daily bump. Even if all 40 of the less active threads are only posted on for one day that week, we wind up with only 300 threads for the week. That will give us 43 threads daily, even though the previous situation puts us at 60 daily threads, a good deal more than the preferred amount. This also ignores the situation where the difficulty of finding the thread you want to post to lowers board traffic. If we want the boards to be separate, at this point we have to expand thread count traffic.
#3 lord_karsus May 22, 2008 2:13:14	-Just trying to share. Various individuals have stated their intentions to leave, because of the merger of the various Forgotten Realms subareas into one unified section. Doing so would be counterproductive to the "plight" to have things seperated by whatever degree.
#4 reneshat May 22, 2008 2:42:34	-Just trying to share. Sorry LK, didn't mean to make it seem like I was blaming you.
#5 lord_karsus May 22, 2008 2:57:01	-That's okay, you big lug, you. :P
#6 Stigger May 22, 2008 3:29:15	Counterproductive perhaps, but given the 4e Realms, what is the incentive to actually 'fight the good fight' as it were? If you have nothing but apathy, if not loathing, of the new setting, why bother? If you take my meaning there.
#7 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 23, 2008 11:44:07	Thanks for the link.
#8 merrikcale May 23, 2008 11:52:29	Counterproductive perhaps, but given the 4e Realms, what is the incentive to actually 'fight the good fight' as it were? If you have nothing but apathy, if not loathing, of the new setting, why bother? If you take my meaning there. Sing it, my brother
#9 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 12:00:24	Counterproductive perhaps, but given the 4e Realms, what is the incentive to actually 'fight the good fight' as it were? If you have nothing but apathy, if not loathing, of the new setting, why bother? If you take my meaning there. -Being as that these boards are "Edition Neutral", there's nothing stopping one from simply not incorporating the 4e stuff into their own games, or ignoring them, and so on and so forth, and continuing to use the boards as they have been.
#10 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 12:00:42	Thanks for the link. -You're welcome.
#11 1_ton_ghost May 23, 2008 12:11:46	Thanks for the heads up LK. Long story short, yeah, we should stick together. Too many people want to jump ship, understandably too, but that unwillingness to fight as it were will only facilitate a further downward spiral. And though I am loathe to embrace the new way of things (4th ed's dumbing down of a 30 year institution), it's not to say we can't use the FR forums to postulate specific questions that aren't necessarilly 4th ed. It wasn't long ago you were hooking ppl up w/ 2nd ed stuff (thanks again btw), so, I think it stands to reason we should use that as a bench mark.
#12 alediran May 23, 2008 12:27:05	And though I am loathe to embrace the new way of things (4th ed's dumbing down of a 30 year institution), it's not to say we can't use the FR forums to postulate specific questions that aren't necessarilly 4th ed. It wasn't long ago you were hooking ppl up w/ 2nd ed stuff (thanks again btw), so, I think it stands to reason we should use that as a bench mark. That's my way of thinking either. If we can save at least one person from falling to FR 4ed and show him/her the wonders of the old editions then our work will be rewarded. And they exist, there is always somebody who will look to older editions and wonder at the marvels written there.
#13 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 12:32:30	That's my way of thinking either. If we can save at least one person from falling to FR 4ed and show him/her the wonders of the old editions then our work will be rewarded. And they exist, there is always somebody who will look to older editions and wonder at the marvels written there. -If somebody likes the 4e stuff, more power to them. There is no fault in that.
#14 Stigger May 23, 2008 12:34:06	Indeed. To each their own...
#15 alediran May 23, 2008 12:37:30	-If somebody likes the 4e stuff, more power to them. There is no fault in that. What I meant was that, if somebody comes here with only the knowledge of 4ed FR and after showing that person the lore of previous editions, decides to read more about them and fells in love with pre-Spellplage FR, then we have given another option to a person who might not have it.
#16 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 12:38:43	-Didn't sound like that. Avoid falling into that pitfall, my Hand.
#17 alediran May 23, 2008 12:40:41	-Didn't sound like that. Avoid falling into that pitfall, my Hand. I'm half-air elemental, I can fly and not even DMZs can prevent that. People who'll come to this boards after 4ed without knowledge of previous editions need the change to know them and decide. At least one of them will jump train.
#18 markustay63 May 23, 2008 14:04:25	-Various individuals have stated their intentions to leave... I have found, over the last few days, that the Paizo Boards are very well organized and helpful, and the people there quite friendly. ;) Although I have to admit, visually they are less then 'stunning'. Also, they have just released their FREE Alpha 3 Rules for playtesating, and they are amazing! So if you guys get tired of all the heavy traffic and trolling, you know where to find me. :D
#19 alediran May 23, 2008 14:09:06	You still need to show up in The Vault a little more. And I already got ALPHA 3, it's the first complete alpha with the 11 base classes from the PHB. Good enough to use as the new PHB.
#20 Therise May 23, 2008 14:15:00	(...)So if you guys get tired of all the heavy traffic and trolling, you know where to find me. :D Yes, we know. You'll still be here.
#21 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 23, 2008 14:25:34	I have found, over the last few days, that the Paizo Boards are very well organized and helpful, and the people there quite friendly. ;) My experience is a bit different (as a lurker, that is)--the people seem nice and all, but I find the overall website and forum layout to be really confusing.
#22 ywhtptgtfo May 23, 2008 15:30:46	So Wizard's IT is brilliant enough to condense this series of forum into one big glob of mess. Why did they do that?
#23 alediran May 23, 2008 15:36:30	So Wizard's IT is brilliant enough to condense this series of forum into one big glob of mess. Why did they do that? I don't know. I can't understand the logic behind it.
#24 Stigger May 23, 2008 15:59:05	Well, speaking purely for myself, I love what Pathfinder did with the Sorcerer and Wizard classes...
#25 alediran May 23, 2008 16:01:48	Well, speaking purely for myself, I love what Pathfinder did with the Sorcerer and Wizard classes... To all classes. Fighters sound better, rogues have lots of new class features. Specialist wizards are finally atractive to play, sorcerers aren't forced to be of draconic descendance, and so on.
#26 Stigger May 23, 2008 16:05:46	Well, yes, they're all great improvements from what I recall of them, but those two in particular were very good from my point of view.
#27 alediran May 23, 2008 16:08:39	I love also the changes to cantrips, which now are infinite. The cleric/druid change of Cure Minor Wounds to heal the character to 0 was a nice touch and makes them more important in a group if you don't want to risk character death with a botched Heal/Fortitude check.
#28 markustay63 May 23, 2008 16:19:37	Yes, we know. You'll still be here. I promised Mula that I would still try to participate, but only when I can be helpful - all the negativity doesn't help anyone (hint, hint). So, I just gave people the address of another useful site, in order to help alleviate some of the traffic problems WotC will be having by condensing their boards down to one. If there's one thing I enjoy beiong, it's being helpful.
#29 Therise May 23, 2008 16:37:05	I promised Mula that I would still try to participate, but only when I can be helpful - all the negativity doesn't help anyone (hint, hint). So, I just gave people the address of another useful site, in order to help alleviate some of the traffic problems WotC will be having by condensing their boards down to one. If there's one thing I enjoy beiong, it's being helpful.
#30 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 16:43:33	-You are only one of many. So Wizard's IT is brilliant enough to condense this series of forum into one big glob of mess. Why did they do that? -Did you actually read the original post?
#31 merrikcale May 23, 2008 16:56:11	-If somebody likes the 4e stuff, more power to them. There is no fault in that. Very true. Of course, they will be repeatedly ridiculed here as well as ostracized
#32 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 16:58:18	Very true. Of course, they will be repeatedly ridiculed here as well as ostracized -That's not nice. Nor will that happen, in actuality. There's no reason to be mean for no reason.
#33 merrikcale May 23, 2008 17:02:58	-That's not nice. Nor will that happen, in actuality. There's no reason to be mean for no reason. I was only being a sarcastic jerk. I promise not to publicly criticize and ostracize anyone who likes 4E Realms
#34 Stigger May 23, 2008 17:07:07	Do we have your sworn oath then, or is that a bit too strong? :P :D
#35 merrikcale May 23, 2008 17:09:14	Do we have your sworn oath then, or is that a bit too strong? :P :D I could swear on it sure, but i will more likely break it the first time someone posts about how cool the "changelands" are or how dragonborn fit right in. But I'll try:D
#36 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 17:10:36	I could swear on it sure, but i will more likely break it the first time someone posts about how cool the "changelands" are or how dragonborn fit right in. But I'll try:D -Remember, ladies and gentlemen: He is a lawyer. ;) :P
#37 Stigger May 23, 2008 17:12:24	Ah... didn't know that. Get a noose and do honor to the master bard I say!
#38 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 23, 2008 20:49:23	Specialist wizards are finally atractive to play, sorcerers aren't forced to be of draconic descendance, and so on. To be fair, they never were, at least going by the original PHB description. Draconic blood was one of many supposed sources of the sorcerer's mysterious power.
#39 lord_karsus May 23, 2008 20:56:05	To be fair, they never were, at least going by the original PHB description. Draconic blood was one of many supposed sources of the sorcerer's mysterious power. -For the Kara-Tur Re-Dux, I developed two "new" Sorcerers: The Oni Sorcerer, who derives his/her power from his/her Oni heritage, and the Lung Sorcerer, who derives his/her power from his/her Lung Dragon heritage.
#40 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 23, 2008 21:15:59	-For the Kara-Tur Re-Dux, I developed two "new" Sorcerers: The Oni Sorcerer, who derives his/her power from his/her Oni heritage, and the Lung Sorcerer, who derives his/her power from his/her Lung Dragon heritage. Nice. I like the idea of many different possible causes of sorcery, myself.
#41 lord_karsus May 24, 2008 0:39:09	Nice. I like the idea of many different possible causes of sorcery, myself. -I found that making them up were fun. They got to be Sorcerers with a little something extra. Lung Dragon Apotheosis or Oni Apotheosis every five levels. I might make another couple for my own campaign. You know, something like (Western) Dragons, or maybe some kind of Fey power. Mixing that with the Spell Point system should be sufficient to really make Wizard and Sorcerer different.
#42 xmen510 May 24, 2008 9:23:21	Look at it this way for those who aren't sure abou 4E realms. FR 3.5 and before are Realms 616 (as LK is fond of saying). Realms 4E is Realms 617. Maybe that will make it easier for some people. This is an alternate universe of FR. What If... Cyric killed Mystra, and Tyr betrayed his own portfolio by killing another God without looking into the matter at all... There, all is good with the Realms once again!
#43 Stigger May 24, 2008 9:24:54	That probably isn't a bad way of looking at this really...
#44 lord_karsus May 24, 2008 9:25:56	Look at it this way for those who aren't sure abou 4E realms. FR 3.5 and before are Realms 616 (as LK is fond of saying). Realms 4E is Realms 617. Maybe that will make it easier for some people. This is an alternate universe of FR. What If... Cyric killed Mystra, and Tyr betrayed his own portfolio by killing another God without looking into the matter at all... There, all is good with the Realms once again! -It's a nice thing to say, but in the back of our minds, we all know that that's not true.
#45 xmen510 May 24, 2008 9:27:45	I know, i am just trying to aleve? the immediate and prominent pain for some. As I have mentioned before, I'll probably try out the new realms. If I don't like it, then I will just use the 4E system and use the 3.5 and earlier fluff.
#46 Stigger May 24, 2008 9:48:32	Pathfinder is looking better and better for me to be honest... while 3.5 can be a little clunky at times, and 4e looks very streamlined, I'm having a problem with the idea that a thousand dollars plus some change worth of D&D books are about to become useless paperweights if I don't spend the time and effort converting them... which I don't have to do with Pathfinder. Economy of effort looks like its going to win out with me on that issue... :D
#47 blackball8_dup May 25, 2008 1:55:03	Can someone share what Pathfinder is? Ive heard a couple of people mention it, but I dont know what it is.
#48 Therise May 25, 2008 2:07:20	Can someone share what Pathfinder is? Ive heard a couple of people mention it, but I dont know what it is. After Dragon/Dungeon went digital, Paizo (the previous publisher) continued publishing a line of their own adventure paths (big multi-adventure books with thematically connected adventures in a "path" from 1st-18th lvl or so), with the brand name of Pathfinder. The adventure paths they publish all work in a new game world of their own devising. Not too long ago, they decided to keep Pathfinder compatible with 3.5E. Then they announced the launch of their own game rule-set, which is a bit like an evolution of 3.5E with paring down of some clunky rules and smoothing of other rules, and it's also called Pathfinder.
#49 blackball8_dup May 25, 2008 2:15:12	Okay thank you. So, its basically the Paizo (I remember their Dragon magazines. They were retty good) campaign world, and then new rules for their world. Do you know what some of their new rules are? Like examples?
#50 Therise May 25, 2008 2:21:36	Okay thank you. So, its basically the Paizo (I remember their Dragon magazines. They were retty good) campaign world, and then new rules for their world. Do you know what some of their new rules are? Like examples? Actually, you can download their whole "alpha" rulebook for free from their website. They're encouraging people to playtest it and give them feedback (before they publish the beta release for a charge). It looks like 3.5E to me, with a few things cut out and some things smoothed over to make them easier.
#51 alkasyn May 25, 2008 4:23:24	Okay thank you. So, its basically the Paizo (I remember their Dragon magazines. They were retty good) campaign world, and then new rules for their world. Do you know what some of their new rules are? Like examples? From cosmetic things like merging hide and move silently, or changing balance into acrobatics, through getting rid of empty levels to giving special abilities, such as bloodlines to sorcerers, or an unique ability to a specialist wizard each couple levels. I recommend checking it out, It's definitely worth it. What's more, the artwork is really one of the best I've seen.
#52 warweaver May 25, 2008 6:20:14	Hey everyone. Might be some people who remember me from an (in)famous FR-is-dead thread or two. I'll drop my two cents. I think the people who still love and especially play in the Realms (in any edition) should stick around - especially, as Alediran sorta said, to show the majesty of "how it used to be" to the 4e'ers, as an option of what else is (was) out there. Additional note - these boards don't make WotC a dime (obviously), so don't think by posting here you're making an implicit acceptance of 4e FR. I think those of us displeased have made ourselves loud and clear. I however, probably won't be posting much anymore. I'm not in/running any FR games atm, and nearly all my player pool is switching whole-hog to 4e. And while I'm warily interested in the new core stuff (and have the 3 core books on the way to see if it's worth it), the wounds of the FR changes are just too fresh for me. That combined with the lessened need will make me a ghost here - but I wish all you stalwart folk the best. On a lighter note - I made a simple fix to Sorcerers for my game, gave them bonus feats like the Wizard that had to be heritage feats. But it didn't have to be draconic - there's celestial, fiendish, fey...and I'm one of those DMs perfectly happy to make up more for a fun PC concept. Anyway that fix made them much more popular. :P
#53 storm_silverhand May 25, 2008 7:11:59	Hai guyz! Wut's gonin on in dis tread? Seriously, not a nice thing to come back to the boards to find. Oh well. *trundles back to lurking*
#54 lord_karsus May 25, 2008 16:36:57	Actually, you can download their whole "alpha" rulebook for free from their website. They're encouraging people to playtest it and give them feedback (before they publish the beta release for a charge). -If you ask me, that is an exceptionally good idea...
#55 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 25, 2008 16:39:24	Hai guyz! Wut's gonin on in dis tread? Seriously, not a nice thing to come back to the boards to find. Oh well. *trundles back to lurking* Awww, stick around. You've been missed. Anyway, I'm itching to try out Pathfinder, myself.
#56 reneshat May 26, 2008 0:15:43	To prove my point on the way the math is almost specifically designed against FR, over the past week Sunday (today/yesterday) through the Monday before, we only had 71 active threads. Well you divide that by the number of days, and you get 10.14...... threads active each day. Honestly, with the way they are doing the math, we are going to be lucky if they don't try to merge FR and another board.....
#57 zakman_dup May 26, 2008 15:45:52	I remember seeing an entry on Google with the title 'Is Dicefreaks a dictatorship?'. It really occurs to me that one should replace DF with... well... WotC. What I'm trying to say is that they actually don't care for us 3e fans. Well, they give us the chance to co-decide on the future of the boards but in the end our decissions will be disregarded. Just look at the things they already did. There are so many threads I can't find anymore, even in the archives. While plenty of them were crap indeed, a lot of them were really useful, too. One example is the Epic Faq thread. Very useful to players of 3e. But since everyone is shifting to 4e, no one needs 3e rules threads, obviously. So get rid of it. Just my humble opinion Btw, does anybody know if paizo is planning to rework the 3e epic system too?
#58 lord_karsus May 26, 2008 23:12:29	To prove my point on the way the math is almost specifically designed against FR, over the past week Sunday (today/yesterday) through the Monday before, we only had 71 active threads. Well you divide that by the number of days, and you get 10.14...... threads active each day. Honestly, with the way they are doing the math, we are going to be lucky if they don't try to merge FR and another board..... -See this thread: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1034748
#59 reneshat May 26, 2008 23:46:10	-See this thread: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1034748 Thanks, it's not as bad as I thought it was going to be.
#60 blackball8_dup May 29, 2008 0:09:57	As long as there is A board, that works. The more the beter though I agree.
#61 lord_karsus May 29, 2008 22:34:19	-The method being used to determine the fate of things might be changing. I'll keep everyone posted with the most current data, provided my computer continues to work.
#62 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 30, 2008 12:44:16	-The method being used to determine the fate of things might be changing. I'll keep everyone posted with the most current data, provided my computer continues to work. Hope it does. Nice to see you back.;)
#63 lord_karsus May 30, 2008 13:09:44	Hope it does. Nice to see you back.;) -Hopefully, it's for a prolonged period, as my computer's prospects are looking better and better.
#64 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 30, 2008 15:15:12	-Hopefully, it's for a prolonged period, as my computer's prospects are looking better and better. Glad to hear it!
#65 lord_karsus May 30, 2008 22:10:46	-Yeah, nevermind about that. My mother and her friend ("she's good at computers!") ****ed it up. Friggin' erased the $65 Norton's Anti-s program I dowloaded for something offered by Verizon, the problems are still bad, and put a password protection on it, so I can't even run a scan. Friggin' idiot...
#66 JudgeDookie May 31, 2008 13:49:53	-Yeah, nevermind about that. My mother and her friend ("she's good at computers!") ****ed it up. Friggin' erased the $65 Norton's Anti-s program I dowloaded for something offered by Verizon, the problems are still bad, and put a password protection on it, so I can't even run a scan. Friggin' idiot... Dude, Norton is the worst virus scan you can use--it can cause half the problems. I've never ran into a PC that didn't have something wrong with it due to Norton. If you got enough juice in that thing, then get McAfee. Though, if things are that bad, I would simply rebuild it before I did anything. If you can take some screen shots of what's going on with things, I may be able to help you out.
#67 alediran May 31, 2008 15:58:58	I use nod32 at home.
#68 JudgeDookie May 31, 2008 16:08:33	I use nod32 at home. I've heard of it, but since so few have yet to actually adopt it, have yet to look into it. Can't say either way.
#69 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 31, 2008 19:16:41	-Yeah, nevermind about that. My mother and her friend ("she's good at computers!") ****ed it up. Friggin' erased the $65 Norton's Anti-s program I dowloaded for something offered by Verizon, the problems are still bad, and put a password protection on it, so I can't even run a scan. Friggin' idiot... Sorry to hear that. But at least you're online, right?
#70 lord_karsus May 31, 2008 19:58:27	Dude, Norton is the worst virus scan you can use--it can cause half the problems. I've never ran into a PC that didn't have something wrong with it due to Norton. -Yeah, I wish I knew these things earlier... Sorry to hear that. But at least you're online, right? -Yes and no. I'm not even sure if it's safe! But, I do it for all of you people. Look at that dedication. :D -But, anyway, I'll keep everyone posted...I discovered some nice new FL powers, too. I'm a little bit less bark than bite now! :D
#71 rinonalyrna_fathomlin May 31, 2008 20:00:27	-Yes and no. I'm not even sure if it's safe! But, I do it for all of you people. Look at that dedication. :D -But, anyway, I'll keep everyone posted...I discovered some nice new FL powers, too. I'm a little bit less bark than bite now! :D Awesome, on both counts.
#72 blackheart Jun 01, 2008 2:49:17	LK, don't drop cash on an anti (especially not Norton)! Download AVG and run it. It's free and one of the best, believe it or not. Updates daily. Quite a few of my friends and I swear by it. Also, don't worry if you run an old box. I do, and AVG doesn't slow me that I can notice.
#73 Stigger Jun 01, 2008 10:57:03	AVG is a great one... never gives me any problems.
#74 alediran Jun 01, 2008 11:59:05	AVG never finds anything. I've run nod32 on computers with AVG instaled and it found dozens of viruses that AVG never did.
#75 Stigger Jun 01, 2008 12:16:47	Always worked well for me... though I wonder what you're doing that you're getting dozens of viruses...
#76 warweaver Jun 02, 2008 0:12:06	Always worked well for me... though I wonder what you're doing that you're getting dozens of viruses... Quit looking up Elminster-and-Manshoon-clones pron Alediran! :P
#77 Stigger Jun 02, 2008 0:44:08	Glad I'm not the one who said it... Even if I was thinking it. :D
#78 gomeztoo Jun 02, 2008 8:16:52	Regarding boards setip: Supposing they do come to the conclusion to split up the FR forum (likely in two fora), how should it be split? DMs/ Players ? The World / Plots? Gaming/Novels ? 4thed Lovers / 4th ed Haters ? :D (Ow come one, it must have crossed your mind...)
#79 lord_karsus Jun 02, 2008 10:35:16	Regarding boards setip: Supposing they do come to the conclusion to split up the FR forum (likely in two fora), how should it be split? -This is what I am currently mulling. I need to figure out how the community will best be split. Based on activity, there will be two threads, instead of one.
#80 Stigger Jun 02, 2008 10:59:21	I think a DM section would make sense for asking questions that won't get pushed to the bottom quickly.
#81 alediran Jun 02, 2008 11:00:09	Quit looking up Elminster-and-Manshoon-clones pron Alediran! :P Those where computers at my work when I was Sys Admin in one of my works. My computer always runs with state of the art AV security.
#82 Stigger Jun 02, 2008 11:12:10	I'd have said that too were I you... :P ;) :D
#83 lord_karsus Jun 02, 2008 11:36:17	In another thread, I proposed the following... Forgotten Realms Fundamentals This would be a place to discuss classes, powers, monsters, spells and other mechanics specific to FR. Forgotten Realms Community This would be a place to discuss nations, NPCs, organizations and religions specific to FR, as well as other FR-specific topics general to the community (like "What music should I play at my session when the Zhentarim mercenaries arrive?") -I suggested 'Community' be renamed 'General', but, other than that... -Thoughts?
#84 gomeztoo Jun 02, 2008 11:40:07	-This is what I am currently mulling. I need to figure out how the community will best be split. Based on activity, there will be two threads, instead of one. Aye. It should be logical though - if people have a question and have to ponder in what forum to post, it is not actually going to be an improvement. Personally, I see something in Gaming vs Novels, or, more abstract, Rules and applications vs Background and plotlines. Want to know how to make a drider (N)PC? Go to rules. Want to know what the status of Driders are within Drow community? Go to background. Gomez
#85 merrikcale Jun 02, 2008 11:41:28	-I suggested 'Community' be renamed 'General', but, other than that... -Thoughts? excellent breakdown
#86 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 02, 2008 12:09:28	excellent breakdown Yes, it seems quite logical to me.
#87 Stigger Jun 02, 2008 13:54:42	Well, we could just go with something simple like FR Crunch and FR Fluff... not particularly dignified, but it would get the point across.
#88 merrikcale Jun 02, 2008 16:09:30	Well, we could just go with something simple like FR Crunch and FR Fluff... not particularly dignified, but it would get the point across. not bad at all
#89 lord_karsus Jun 02, 2008 17:00:06	-Would it be dignified to call them "Forgotten Realms: Mechanical Issues" and "Forgotten Realms: Realmslore Issues", perhaps?
#90 JudgeDookie Jun 02, 2008 17:40:09	-Would it be dignified to call them "Forgotten Realms: Mechanical Issues" and "Forgotten Realms: Realmslore Issues", perhaps? Dude, I was just about to say that same thing, but decided to break out from work rather than post. Yeah, "Forgotten Realms Mechanics" for sure, and "Forgotten Realms Canon" or "Forgotten Realms Realmslore" would be nice. It is much more specific and easier to understand.
#91 warweaver Jun 02, 2008 19:24:35	Personally, I see something in Gaming vs Novels, or, more abstract, Rules and applications vs Background and plotlines. I think either of these would work - an awful lot of people seem to like FR for its novels as well as the setting. "Crunch" and "Fluff" would be nice too...I like the idea of fluff being called "Realmslore", but I dunno what I'd call crunch. I would avoid the "DMs" and "Players" division, personally. I worry it might promote the adversarial view some people have about the hobby.
#92 JudgeDookie Jun 02, 2008 19:49:47	I would avoid the "DMs" and "Players" division, personally. I worry it might promote the adversarial view some people have about the hobby. Completely. Else you get back into one of the same things that brought 4e about in the first place. Not to mention, yet another division with things.
#93 Stigger Jun 03, 2008 1:27:34	-Would it be dignified to call them "Forgotten Realms: Mechanical Issues" and "Forgotten Realms: Realmslore Issues", perhaps? Much better way of putting it, gets my vote.
#94 warweaver Jun 03, 2008 4:49:41	Much better way of putting it, gets my vote. Is it for a troubleshooting sub-forum of the FR board? Because if not, I take issue with "Issues" - makes it sound like a board specifically for people's problems. I think "Mechanics" and "Realmslore" is good though. :P
#95 xmen510 Jun 03, 2008 5:42:31	-Would it be dignified to call them "Forgotten Realms: Mechanical Issues" and "Forgotten Realms: Realmslore Issues", perhaps? I think this might suit it better: Forgotten Realms: Issues Of Logic Forgotten Realms: Issues Of Imagination :D
#96 gomeztoo Jun 03, 2008 6:30:32	Just call it 'Forgotten Realms: Mechanics' and 'Forgotten Realms: Lore' . I wouldn't call it Forgotten Realms: Realmslore, that is a bit redundant. I also wouldn't call it Issues - that sounds like every post would be a problem.
#97 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 03, 2008 11:46:59	Just call it 'Forgotten Realms: Mechanics' and 'Forgotten Realms: Lore' . That would work for me.
#98 Stigger Jun 03, 2008 13:21:40	Is it for a troubleshooting sub-forum of the FR board? Because if not, I take issue with "Issues" - makes it sound like a board specifically for people's problems. I think "Mechanics" and "Realmslore" is good though. :P Good point really... what Gomeztoo said then.
#99 merrikcale Jun 04, 2008 15:42:38	So we have 5 (thats right 5!) boards just on character building, never mind the character optimization and other character boards, but we only get 1 FR board. What a joke
#100 lord_karsus Jun 04, 2008 17:16:12	-According to Mike (He's the guy who is in charge)... Okay, just looking over the list, here is where we currently stand: ... Forgotten Realms: I think we're good so far, but we'll watch over the coming weeks to see how much the traffic increases. -So, apparently, even though we have an average of 36(.4) active threads per day (that doesn't count multiple responses in these threads), we aren't going to be getting any extra threads just yet. Even though we are clearly above that 25 thread threshold. Go figure. -So, all I can ask of everyone is that you participate more. Turn those off-topic conversations into new threads (that are relevant in the Forgotten Realms section). Ask all those questions you've been dying to ask, but never had the nerve to. And so on and so forth.
#101 JudgeDookie Jun 04, 2008 19:59:43	Has it occurred to them that, perhaps with people trying to keep up all the time by reading through the 36.4 active threads in order to stay a part of the conversation, that they are forced to limit how much time they actually participate? Also, the threads they simply abandon because its grown 2 pages overnight?
#102 merrikcale Jun 04, 2008 20:09:13	-According to Mike (He's the guy who is in charge)... -So, apparently, even though we have an average of 36(.4) active threads per day (that doesn't count multiple responses in these threads), we aren't going to be getting any extra threads just yet. Even though we are clearly above that 25 thread threshold. Go figure. -So, all I can ask of everyone is that you participate more. Turn those off-topic conversations into new threads (that are relevant in the Forgotten Realms section). Ask all those questions you've been dying to ask, but never had the nerve to. And so on and so forth. And how does this justify 5 character building boards?
#103 lord_karsus Jun 04, 2008 20:50:55	-I'm not the guy to pose those questions to. Go to the Community Business threads.
#104 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 04, 2008 20:53:02	Holy crap! I only just noticed that now there are 5 CO boards, one for each "role".
#105 lord_karsus Jun 04, 2008 21:01:06	-Yep. It does look nice and neat, though.
#106 merrikcale Jun 04, 2008 21:07:38	-I'm not the guy to pose those questions to. Go to the Community Business threads. I thought you had power, man? when are we merging the Dragon and Dungeon boards since there is only a handful of active threads?
#107 JudgeDookie Jun 04, 2008 21:27:07	I thought you had power, man? Power is usually perceived, rather than possessed.
#108 merrikcale Jun 04, 2008 21:32:29	Power is usually perceived, rather than possessed. Tread lightly, my friend, lest you awaken the power of Karsus
#109 JudgeDookie Jun 04, 2008 21:34:33	I have no fear of Karsus--less he farts in a small and confined room. He knows I mean no disrespect regardless. EDIT: And if he don't, I have a small and confined room in which I can fart while within his company.
#110 warweaver Jun 04, 2008 21:47:05	I have no fear of Karsus--less he farts in a small and confined room. He knows I mean no disrespect regardless. EDIT: And if he don't, I have a small and confined room in which I can fart while within his company. You'll be in a small and confined room with the severed head of Mystra more like it, with several Handfellas wailing on you with +5 Flamewar Burst baseball bats.
#111 hellmute Jun 04, 2008 21:53:24	-I'm not the guy to pose those questions to. Go to the Community Business threads. [thread]1038876[/thread] may interest people here.
#112 JudgeDookie Jun 04, 2008 22:02:08	You'll be in a small and confined room with the severed head of Mystra more like it, with several Handfellas wailing on you with +5 Flamewar Burst baseball bats. Well, I'll have to verify said stats before such a spat begins. And, of course, while I am verifying such stats, I'll simply have to leak the silent death and prevent such a spat from beginning. Cruel, I know. But self-preservation is primary among all things.
#113 Stigger Jun 04, 2008 22:07:21	Feh, LK is a big teddy bear... go on, kick him, he likes it deep down. ;)
#114 lord_karsus Jun 04, 2008 22:25:23	-All of this paints a very unflattering picture of me... -...And I am kind of depressed to begin with right now...
#115 merrikcale Jun 04, 2008 22:28:21	--...And I am kind of depressed to begin with right now... whats bumming you out my friend?
#116 Stigger Jun 04, 2008 22:32:45	Feh, it builds character... suck it up and be the failed godling you were meant to be. :P :D
#117 JudgeDookie Jun 04, 2008 22:57:57	-All of this paints a very unflattering picture of me... -...And I am kind of depressed to begin with right now... Ahhh...I'm...I mean, I'm so...I mean...uh.... No. No pity, really. None. Wallow.
#118 warweaver Jun 05, 2008 3:21:07	Ahhh...I'm...I mean, I'm so...I mean...uh.... No. No pity, really. None. Wallow. Harsh! I'll throw you a pity party LK. Just name the place, and your Simbul look-alike exotic dancer will be there, with spinning spellfire-colored tassels. You can play 'find the seven stars of Mystra'. Is it because Shar stole your heart (literally)? Ahh, she was a b*tch anyway man, you'll get over 'er...have an ale.
#119 xmen510 Jun 05, 2008 6:54:29	when are we merging the Dragon and Dungeon boards since there is only a handful of active threads? Those won't get merged. They will not reduce possible advertising to which they are prmoting what they consider to be their "Important" areas. D&D:I is their only concern now. With the only 3 books per campaign setting, they don't have to spend very much time at all worrying about the setting aspects of the game. They will only worry about that which brings in more monthly income, and break their own rules for said aspects. For the areas they don't care so much about (id. these boards), they will ignore how they are doing.
#120 lord_karsus Jun 05, 2008 10:02:20	-Yes, there are a few sections that will not be being merged and/or deleted simply because of what they represent.
#121 merrikcale Jun 05, 2008 12:13:31	Those won't get merged. They will not reduce possible advertising to which they are prmoting what they consider to be their "Important" areas. D&D:I is their only concern now. With the only 3 books per campaign setting, they don't have to spend very much time at all worrying about the setting aspects of the game. They will only worry about that which brings in more monthly income, and break their own rules for said aspects. For the areas they don't care so much about (id. these boards), they will ignore how they are doing. But they don't get nearly the traffic the FR Board does, which had to be reduced due to traffic
#122 lord_karsus Jun 05, 2008 16:21:13	-wrecan is keeping track of the traffic to each particular section. You can see the numbers HERE.
#123 merrikcale Jun 06, 2008 7:09:59	-wrecan is keeping track of the traffic to each particular section. You can see the numbers HERE. seems like the FR is one of the more popular boards at this time
#124 lord_karsus Jun 06, 2008 8:33:48	-Yep. And we haven't had a sourcebook since...? September? And, AGHotR wasn't exactly a normal sourcebook, either.
#125 alediran Jun 06, 2008 8:38:00	And WotC was trying to make us believe that Forgotten Realms isn't popular. Yeah right.....
#126 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 9:04:18	If they didn't think it was popular, they wouldn't be putting it out first... :P
#127 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 9:36:28	Exactly what I was thinking when asked, "Who would you sacrifice first?" Hmmm....Stigger? ;)
#128 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 10:03:29	You're opinion matters not, as you'll be the first to go when the revolution hits full force... we bide our time for now...
#129 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 10:07:05	I've already said my opinion matters not. After all, I am just a Dookie. That said, I'm not all that popular, and someone like your light bulb ass should definitely go first. It is only fair.
#130 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 10:08:34	On the off chance you haven't figured this out yet, let me clue you in.... Life isn't fair. :P
#131 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 10:22:39	On the off chance you haven't figured this out yet, let me clue you in.... Life isn't fair. :P Duly noted. And experienced. But if you ain't gonna go and I ain't gonna go, then we must pick a successor. I choose Ody.
#132 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 13:39:34	Not my first choice... not sure who that would be, I just love you all so much... guess we should probably split the difference and go with LK as the one to go. :D
#133 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 14:06:57	But...if we chucked Karsus...what would happen to all his hands?
#134 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 14:29:40	Excellent question... just think of it as an experiement to further our understand the exact relationship of Karsus and his many hands... the full details of which should probably never be unleashed on an unwitting public in the interests of safety and sanity... or what passes for sanity anyway.
#135 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 14:39:49	Excellent question... just think of it as an experiement to further our understand the exact relationship of Karsus and his many hands... the full details of which should probably never be unleashed on an unwitting public in the interests of safety and sanity... or what passes for sanity anyway. Oh, yeah. You mean the whole Hands of Karsus giving him "love" thing. Got ya. Do-do-do-doo--won't touch this. Dookie time.
#136 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 14:46:14	Its easier if you think of it in terms of... er... scientific progress... for educational purposes... or something. Or alternately, and probably more happily, blackmail material to be used at some unspecified date for an unspecified purpose.
#137 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 14:55:47	Its easier if you think of it in terms of... er... scientific progress... for educational purposes... or something. Or alternately, and probably more happily, blackmail material to be used at some unspecified date for an unspecified purpose. Um...science is probably a bit steep on this point. It's like going through the motions and singing Y.M.C.A without really knowing what you were expressing. Perhaps a bit hidden in meaning, but a well established fact. No. You can antagonize, but not blackmail with such info. ;) EDIT: Case and point
#138 alediran Jun 06, 2008 15:48:58	I'm not keen on becoming an experiment. Don't forget that I have the powers of an Archmage and I can send you back to your fowl planes.
#139 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 15:58:36	I'm not keen on becoming an experiment. Don't forget that I have the powers of an Archmage and I can send you back to your fowl planes. Fowl planes? How dare you call us chicken demons!! We're not the foul hands giving love to Karsus!
#140 alediran Jun 06, 2008 16:00:39	That's it, you are going to return to your fowl plane! *I raise holy frying oil and show it* (+6 to Spell DC) *I cast Chicken Demon Banishment*
#141 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 16:18:33	Too late, you're already an experiment... and I laugh mockingly at your Chicken Demon Banishment... and splash chili oil in your eyes while setting your dress on fire with some willy-pete. :P
#142 alediran Jun 06, 2008 16:21:11	I'm half-elemental. I laugh at your pathetic attempts to experiment with me.
#143 Stigger Jun 06, 2008 16:25:41	Been done son, too late to whine about it now... all we gotta do is get you some cute guinea pig ears on a headband and we're done here. :P :D
#144 warweaver Jun 06, 2008 19:37:46	Been done son, too late to whine about it now... all we gotta do is get you some cute guinea pig ears on a headband and we're done here. :P :D Stigger, please don't say Alediran "has a purdy mouth".
#145 JudgeDookie Jun 06, 2008 21:11:39	Stigger, please don't say Alediran "has a purdy mouth". Better than Alediran getting all c*ck happy and trying to banish us like Jimmy Swaggart or something. Back fowl demons--back!! Ba-kaw!
#146 Stigger Jun 07, 2008 1:37:29	I don't say anyone has a purdy mouth... just not my style. And I'll agree with JD that it was Alediran who had to go to the "male chicken" place... :P :D
#147 msatran Jun 07, 2008 2:22:11	I would sacrifice Chris Perkins, feeding his blood to the Blood God. Then, I would sacrifice Richard Baker, giving his head to Orcus to mount on his wand. Then, I would animate Gary Gygax, and have him hunt Mike Mearls as a revenant, locking his cold, dead hands around Mearls throat until the last gurgle slipped out... That's what I would sacrifice, I think... MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!
#148 Stigger Jun 07, 2008 9:56:22	So you've got some issues, okay.... nothing we can't get past with a few years of therapy...
#149 JudgeDookie Jun 07, 2008 12:45:26	Anybody that laughs like Dr. Evil is unreachable. He definitely should be banished to some fowl plane of some sort.
#150 warweaver Jun 07, 2008 19:50:05	Anybody that laughs like Dr. Evil is unreachable. He definitely should be banished to some fowl plane of some sort. "Little did they realize, the Blood God lived in the fowl plane...a massive, bloated chicken...its midnight feathers soaked in the entrails of enemy and follower alike...its thousand crazed, predatory eyes viewing everything as a small grasshopper or bit of seed, to be impaled on its dozen razor-sharp, serrated beaks dripping with acidic saliva, eternally hungry...bu-caw!" Blood for the Chick-er, Blood God!
#151 ody_saraph_of_karsus Jun 07, 2008 20:27:45	Duly noted. And experienced. But if you ain't gonna go and I ain't gonna go, then we must pick a successor. I choose Ody. Hey Aasimar get my name of your filthy(sp) mouth! or i' use my lightning bolt spell to stike you dow...Oops seems that Alediran got the job done....:evillaugh
#152 lord_karsus Jun 07, 2008 22:42:51	-Uh....huh.... -Annnnyyyywwwaayyy... -We're still in the same boat as before, concerning our forums.
#153 merrikcale Jun 07, 2008 23:23:35	--We're still in the same boat as before, concerning our forums. yeah, why is that?
#154 lord_karsus Jun 07, 2008 23:42:04	yeah, why is that? -Would you accept the answer of 'Because', for the time being?
#155 JudgeDookie Jun 08, 2008 7:38:00	"Little did they realize, the Blood God lived in the fowl plane...a massive, bloated chicken...its midnight feathers soaked in the entrails of enemy and follower alike...its thousand crazed, predatory eyes viewing everything as a small grasshopper or bit of seed, to be impaled on its dozen razor-sharp, serrated beaks dripping with acidic saliva, eternally hungry...bu-caw!" Blood for the Chick-er, Blood God! Again, I must give out this number: 1.888.334.9955 Dr. Ann Kurall. She can help you through this. Hey Aasimar get my name of your filthy(sp) mouth! or i' use my lightning bolt spell to stike you dow...Oops seems that Alediran got the job done....:evillaugh Nope, You really did strike the Dow. Down nearly 250 points thanks to your dumb ass--thanks alot!!
#156 warweaver Jun 08, 2008 8:08:28	Dr. Ann Kurall. She can help you through this. Hey, I was just quoting from that passage I found in that musty old book chained to the pedestal in that long-abandoned crypt with all the warning signs and magical wards around it...wait a min-*bu-caw!* Help, it's in mah brainz! Why, why did I learn nothing from all those games of Call of Cthulhu!? + :88E: =
#157 JudgeDookie Jun 08, 2008 13:27:27	Hey, I was just quoting from that passage I found in that musty old book chained to the pedestal in that long-abandoned crypt with all the warning signs and magical wards around it...wait a min-*bu-caw!* Help, it's in mah brainz! Why, why did I learn nothing from all those games of Call of Cthulhu!? + :88E: = Alediran. Your chicken demon has arrived. Banish away.
#158 merrikcale Jun 08, 2008 21:19:43	-Would you accept the answer of 'Because', for the time being? Is that better than "because the folks at WoTC are a bunch of dopes"
#159 lord_karsus Jun 09, 2008 10:34:09	-It's more PC, yes.
#160 Stigger Jun 09, 2008 14:12:40	Screw PC, I like Merrik's 'because' much better myself.
#161 lord_karsus Jun 09, 2008 22:51:38	-Well, either way...;)
#162 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 10:40:13	-So far this week, the Forgotten Realms section is the 3rd busiest section on all of the boards. Let's keep up the good work, people. Contribute, ask questions, do it all.
#163 alediran Jun 12, 2008 10:44:34	-So far this week, the Forgotten Realms section is the 3rd busiest section on all of the boards. Let's keep up the good work, people. Contribute, ask questions, do it all. And they where always saying FR wasn't popular. I would love to see the results when 4th was still a distant idea.
#164 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 10:46:50	And they where always saying FR wasn't popular. I would love to see the results when 4th was still a distant idea. -The numbers were probably a bit lower, because there were more boards. With the format we used to have, we probably had about seven or so topics in People and Places, Races, Classes, and Monsters, Deities and Magic, and General.
#165 alediran Jun 12, 2008 10:49:05	-The numbers were probably a bit lower, because there were more boards. With the format we used to have, we probably had about seven or so topics in People and Places, Races, Classes, and Monsters, Deities and Magic, and General. Yeah, but they deserve to be added together to see how popular FR was compared to other sections.
#166 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 10:51:51	-It'd still be lower. 7 (more or less) times 4 is 28. -The boards are more active now than ever, really. Everyone deserves a hand on the shoulder and a pat on the back.
#167 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 12, 2008 11:26:09	-The boards are more active now than ever, really. Everyone deserves a hand on the shoulder and a pat on the back. And perhaps, in the future, another FR board? I have to say, it's interesting and funny how we're the 3rd most active board! What were the first two?
#168 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 11:32:25	And perhaps, in the future, another FR board? -Working on it, working on it...I'll just say this. Based on the criteria that was given to us originally, our section certainly should be split. Anything with over 25 is in consideration, and anything with over 50 is definite. We're closer to that 50 than we are that 25. But, regardless, GamerZer0 doesn't think we need another board right now, so... -Who needs specific criteria, right? I have to say, it's interesting and funny how we're the 3rd most active board! What were the first two? -Character Optimization (75 threads) and Rules Questions & Aanswers (109 threads) -We're third, but a distant third.
#169 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 12, 2008 11:39:06	-Working on it, working on it...I'll just say this. Based on the criteria that was given to us originally, our section certainly should be split. Anything with over 25 is in consideration, and anything with over 50 is definite. We're closer to that 50 than we are that 25. But, regardless, GamerZer0 doesn't think we need another board right now, so... -Who needs specific criteria, right? That's what I was thinking. Criteria is pointless if it won't be used. -Character Optimization (75 threads) and Rules Questions & Aanswers (109 threads) -We're third, but a distant third. Wow. I honestly expected the "General Discussion" 4E board to be up there. It always seems pretty packed (and impossible to keep up with).
#170 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 11:43:30	-These are the stats since keeping track of traffic began:
#171 merrikcale Jun 12, 2008 11:46:43	we are kicking Eberron's booty. Whats the the number 1 setting now!!
#172 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 12, 2008 11:48:58	-Here, we kind of have bursts of activity. Our boards are most active around 10 AM - 1 PM (EST) and 7 PM - 11 PM (EST). In the meantime, there is a little activity, but not a whole lot. I see. Thanks for showing the stats.
#173 ody_saraph_of_karsus Jun 12, 2008 12:20:14	Do we really have a Eberon board... Hm
#174 JudgeDookie Jun 12, 2008 20:10:54	wi-fi!
#175 JudgeDookie Jun 12, 2008 20:11:38	So we're a distant third because two "core" threads concerning mechanics--which we all petty much agreed would be our second FR thread focus--have more hits? That seems a bit dumb. Is it at all possible to determine what percentage of those threads are FR based stats and rule systems as oppossed to core and other settings?
#176 lord_karsus Jun 12, 2008 22:40:46	Is it at all possible to determine what percentage of those threads are FR based stats and rule systems as oppossed to core and other settings? -The Forum Lead there is pretty diligent. Anything Forgotten Realms related would be moved here. I've moved a couple of things elsewhere, so... -But, I mean, if someone mentions how they are playing and need mechanical help, the question does technically belong there.
#177 reneshat Jun 13, 2008 2:16:10	-Working on it, working on it...I'll just say this. Based on the criteria that was given to us originally, our section certainly should be split. Anything with over 25 is in consideration, and anything with over 50 is definite. We're closer to that 50 than we are that 25. But, regardless, GamerZer0 doesn't think we need another board right now, so... Personally, I think they are waiting to see what the numbers look like in August, maybe as late as September. Honestly, as the RPGA campaign gets going, we should also get more traffic through here as they have questions about fluff and the like. This could cause things to be interesting seeing how I highly doubt they will split boards between pre-spellplage and post-spellplague....
#178 valgard Jun 13, 2008 2:32:41	we are kicking Eberron's booty. Whats the the number 1 setting now!! I thought the same! with an F, with an O, with an R, with a G, with an O, with two T's, with an E, with an N, (with a space?? ) with an R, with an E, with an A, with an L, with an M, with an S FORGOTTEN REALMS!
#179 merrikcale Jun 13, 2008 10:10:01	If you look right now, The FR Board is well into its 2nd page already (11AM) and the Eberron has only a handful of active threads today
#180 lord_karsus Jun 13, 2008 10:11:00	Personally, I think they are waiting to see what the numbers look like in August, maybe as late as September. Honestly, as the RPGA campaign gets going, we should also get more traffic through here as they have questions about fluff and the like. -Things are already pushing it as it is, without having an actual sourcebook being published since September, and the point about 4e has been brought up numerous times. But, all of it, to no avail... This could cause things to be interesting seeing how I highly doubt they will split boards between pre-spellplage and post-spellplague.... -They are going to be split along these lines: Mechanics and Lore. One board to discuss the 'mechanical' questions (Where do I find this feat?), and one to discuss the 'Realmslore' questions (When was Drizzt born?).
#181 reneshat Jun 13, 2008 10:50:19	-They are going to be split along these lines: Mechanics and Lore. One board to discuss the 'mechanical' questions (Where do I find this feat?), and one to discuss the 'Realmslore' questions (When was Drizzt born?). I know, I was just trying to make a light-hearted comment about the battle-lines around here recently.
#182 lord_karsus Jun 13, 2008 11:02:58	-Oh. Yeah, well... -Looking at the numbers, we're at an all-time high. Sixty-something active threads yesterday.
#183 alediran Jun 13, 2008 11:26:04	Why do you think I'm still keeping the war in the First Contact thread? :P It's a complex plot to increase traffic to this section.
#184 reneshat Jun 13, 2008 11:41:42	Why do you think I'm still keeping the war in the First Contact thread? :P It's a complex plot to increase traffic to this section. Besides it's fun. It reminds me of the kind of arguments that little kids have.... 4ed stinks! Nuh uh, you stink! Well I'm rubber and your glue, anything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you! Nuh uh! Yeah huh! Nuh uh! Yeah huh! Nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh, nuh uh...... Compared to.... 4ed has no information on the monsters besides stat blocks. Nuh uh, you obviously have no information on 4ed. Yeah? Well I've got my books right here, and they say your a poopy head, errr, I mean wrong. Nuh uh! I've got my books right here and they say..... See? A few more threads like that, and I'm not sure if there is a limit on how high our traffic can go...
#185 alediran Jun 13, 2008 11:53:45	You haven't participated in many academic debates then...
#186 lord_karsus Jun 13, 2008 14:37:55	Why do you think I'm still keeping the war in the First Contact thread? :P It's a complex plot to increase traffic to this section. -Yeah, but that's not necessarily a good thing. ;)
#187 merrikcale Jun 13, 2008 17:34:40	In a mechanics vs lore split, the lore will heavily outnumber mechanics I would think
#188 JudgeDookie Jun 13, 2008 19:02:32	Indefinitely. In which case, they'll just merge us back into a single board because of traffic laws.
#189 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 13, 2008 22:06:45	-Oh. Yeah, well... -Looking at the numbers, we're at an all-time high. Sixty-something active threads yesterday. I'm trying to catch up at this moment.
#190 lord_karsus Jun 13, 2008 23:33:10	I'm trying to catch up at this moment. -It's both a blessing and a curse.
#191 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 13, 2008 23:37:56	-It's both a blessing and a curse. Indeed it is!
#192 lord_karsus Jun 14, 2008 0:01:26	-New News: We should be getting a split around the beginning of next week. There will be Realmslore and Realms Mechanics. I'm not particularly sold on Realms Mechanics, since so much of that overlaps with stuff that belongs in the generic D&D section, but that's what the community wanted, so...
#193 reneshat Jun 14, 2008 1:29:49	You haven't participated in many academic debates then... Are you calling the First Contact thread an "academic debate?" Hyperbole runs rampant and subjective views are used as the foundation for objective statements. Since most of the posters have very little experience with 4ed, most people don't even have a solid grounding in what exactly they are arguing about. Seeing how the thread is about first impressions that is fine, but the extremes found in the thread are laughable at best. Make no mistake about it, the First Contact thread is far from an "academic debate."
#194 reneshat Jun 14, 2008 1:34:10	-New News: We should be getting a split around the beginning of next week. There will be Realmslore and Realms Mechanics. I'm not particularly sold on Realms Mechanics, since so much of that overlaps with stuff that belongs in the generic D&D section, but that's what the community wanted, so... While it might overlap with generic D&D, we do tend to have a very specific community of posters on this board, so I'm certain it will see more use than many expect. Either way, I'm glad they've finally realized this isn't something that can just wait for another 3 months.
#195 alediran Jun 14, 2008 10:49:38	Are you calling the First Contact thread an "academic debate?" Hyperbole runs rampant and subjective views are used as the foundation for objective statements. Since most of the posters have very little experience with 4ed, most people don't even have a solid grounding in what exactly they are arguing about. Seeing how the thread is about first impressions that is fine, but the extremes found in the thread are laughable at best. Make no mistake about it, the First Contact thread is far from an "academic debate." No, I'm speaking of true academic debate with people around you. First contact is a beacon of civility compared to a debate that is discussing the newest theories.
#196 markustay63 Jun 14, 2008 11:07:26	Stupid board seperation - the game mechanics stuff was THE slowest moving board before (Arms and Equipment). All the other boards that existed before will still fall under the 'general' category, which is already far to busy. I could care less about a mechanical board - what I want to see is an FR 'lore' board, for custom projects, homebrew lore, and FR history discussions. That is FAR more needed then a mechanics board. Whenever I wanted an answer to a mechanical question, I went over to the D&D boards. Now that D&D and FR rules are identical, there is absolutley NO reason to place a mechanics board here. For general FR questions or discussion, the general boards would still be plenty busy. So what brain surgeon decided that 99% of what goes on here should be in one board, and 1% in the other?
#197 alediran Jun 14, 2008 11:18:37	The same ones who merged the boards.
#198 JudgeDookie Jun 14, 2008 11:26:11	Yeah!! More stuff to complain about!!
#199 lord_karsus Jun 14, 2008 13:49:52	While it might overlap with generic D&D, we do tend to have a very specific community of posters on this board, so I'm certain it will see more use than many expect. Either way, I'm glad they've finally realized this isn't something that can just wait for another 3 months. -All very true. But, things that are not Forgotten Realms specific are sent to other boards via my say so (and, believe it or not, this happens with some regularity). Being as that it'll be geared to being very generic- for example, ideas for spells, questions about weapons, rule questions all will belong there- I hope it will get about as much traffic as the Realmslore board. Stupid board seperation - the game mechanics stuff was THE slowest moving board before (Arms and Equipment). All the other boards that existed before will still fall under the 'general' category, which is already far to busy. -That was only Arms and Equipment. The Forgotten Realms Mechanics board will be where you go to ask D&D-related questions, no matter what the subject. How to rework the Bladesinger, how spell so-and-so used, a question with the rules, all will belong there. I could care less about a mechanical board - what I want to see is an FR 'lore' board, for custom projects, homebrew lore, and FR history discussions... -That is going to be the Realmslore section. So what brain surgeon decided that 99% of what goes on here should be in one board, and 1% in the other? -You people, the community. Give yourself a round of applause. ;)
#200 lord_karsus Jun 14, 2008 13:51:40	-This is how they'll be broken down, and described, I am envisioning: Realmslore: Discuss the lands of Faerûn, a place of great heroes and stark evil, encompassing lands of magic, mystery and high peril. Realms Mechanics: Discuss the D&D terms, issues, concepts and rules that encompass the Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting.
#201 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 15, 2008 15:36:53	-New News: We should be getting a split around the beginning of next week. There will be Realmslore and Realms Mechanics. I'm not particularly sold on Realms Mechanics, since so much of that overlaps with stuff that belongs in the generic D&D section, but that's what the community wanted, so... At least it's something. I'm content with it.
#202 merrikcale Jun 15, 2008 21:48:22	At least it's something. I'm content with it. As am I. we certainly needed a second board. The biggest question was how to split. This is the most logical way, but its certainly not even, The lore will have at least 75% of traffic I think, but what other way was there. There really should be 3 boards: mechanics and lore somehow split in 2. But lets see how this plays out. Perhaps once the 4e FR book is out there will be more mechanical stuff going on
#203 lord_karsus Jun 15, 2008 21:57:41	As am I. we certainly needed a second board. The biggest question was how to split. This is the most logical way, but its certainly not even, The lore will have at least 75% of traffic I think, but what other way was there. There really should be 3 boards: mechanics and lore somehow split in 2. But lets see how this plays out. Perhaps once the 4e FR book is out there will be more mechanical stuff going on -If one board or the other (or both, theoretically) have traffic that continues to meet the criterion for splitting them (heavy [50+/Day] traffic), there can theoretically be a third or fourth board. Though, I personally find this unlikely. -I, too, am a bit uneasy splitting things between 'Lore' and 'Mechanics', but that is what the majority wanted, and truthfully, that does seem the easiest way to split things. The problem I see is that, technically, while Forgotten-Realms related, much of the Mechanics stuff technically can belong in the generic D&D boards. But, when it all happens, we'll see how things work out.
#204 rauric Jun 15, 2008 22:59:21	One board of constant argueing and bickering was good enough for me.
#205 lord_karsus Jun 15, 2008 23:07:49	One board of constant argueing and bickering was good enough for me. -Well, that's not how it works. The Forgotten Realms boards exceeded the criteria to split a forum by a large margin, and thus, they are thankfully being split. As I was a proponent of before the boards were even split, there was too much actual activity for a single thread, and 2-3 was best.
#206 Mr_Miscellany Jun 15, 2008 23:23:37	As I was a proponent of before the boards were even split, there was too much actual activity for a single thread, and 2-3 was best. Thank you for taking the time to get the split to happen. I've watched your "work" over on the Forum Watch thread and I appreciate you helping to get the FR Forum growing into the right size. That said, where do Realms DMs fit in? ;)
#207 lord_karsus Jun 15, 2008 23:35:06	Thank you for taking the time to get the split to happen. I've watched your "work" over on the Forum Watch thread and I appreciate you helping to get the FR Forum growing into the right size. -No problem. That said, where do Realms DMs fit in? ;) -Depends on the question. If it's something regarding rules, then that'd be the mechanics section. If it has to do with history/lore, then the lore section. -Did you read the PM I responded to you, by the way?
#208 Mr_Miscellany Jun 16, 2008 0:31:12	-Did you read the PM I responded to you, by the way? Just caught it. Thank you on that also.
#209 merrikcale Jun 16, 2008 10:17:05	One board of constant argueing and bickering was good enough for me. no they weren't
#210 rauric Jun 16, 2008 10:52:15	no they weren't One board of constant argueing and bickering was good enough for me. Heh, don't tell me what I am thinking.:D
#211 lord_karsus Jun 17, 2008 7:43:16	-If anyone has any more imput about splitting the boards, please state them HERE. I took the liberty of transplanting everyone's "vote" to that thread, so...
#212 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 17, 2008 19:36:27	Thank you!
#213 merrikcale Jun 17, 2008 19:51:36	Yeah. What she said
#214 lord_karsus Jun 17, 2008 23:36:49	Thank you! -Anytime.
#215 Therise Jun 24, 2008 7:37:03	Well, one thing that could be done for the mechanics forum could be this: For Ed Greenwood's posts at Candlekeep about his personally-crafted unique poisons, mushrooms, special little details on that order, someone could theoretically re-post them here with a "translation" of how they would work in 4E rules. Although in a sense that would be partly lore and partly mechanics... it still might increase the posting count in the mechanics forum.
#216 lord_karsus Jun 24, 2008 7:43:26	-If someone wants to do that, it'd certainly be mechanics. -Anything, truthfully, is going to be related to Realmslore in one way or another. The way to "separate" where to post things would be by intent. For example, sure, discussion about Bladesingers would be inherently related to Realmslore. But, in my thread, I am attempting to better stat them out as a class, so that'd go in the "Running the Realms" section, not the "Realmslore" section.
#217 merrikcale Jun 25, 2008 22:17:20	when is the split coming by the way?
#218 lord_karsus Jun 25, 2008 22:20:06	when is the split coming by the way? -At this point, who knows? As if you haven't noticed, the boards themselves are having technical difficulties. The notice by Solice says that this is likely to be an ongoing thing for the next couple of weeks. I wouldn't expect any reorganization until the problems with the boards themselves are resolved.
#219 merrikcale Jun 25, 2008 22:21:24	-At this point, who knows? As if you haven't noticed, the boards themselves are having technical difficulties. The notice by Solice says that this is likely to be an ongoing thing for the next couple of weeks. I wouldn't expect any reorganization until the problems with the boards themselves are resolved. That makes sense. Yeah I have had some problems myself
#220 Therise Jun 26, 2008 1:34:59	-At this point, who knows? As if you haven't noticed, the boards themselves are having technical difficulties. The notice by Solice says that this is likely to be an ongoing thing for the next couple of weeks. I wouldn't expect any reorganization until the problems with the boards themselves are resolved. Weeks? Lovely.
#221 lord_karsus Jun 26, 2008 17:31:33	Weeks? Lovely. -Two (one of which is mostly finished with), to be specific.
#222 merrikcale Jun 27, 2008 10:26:52	good enough. We certainly need it at this point
#223 lord_karsus Jun 27, 2008 11:42:01	good enough. We certainly need it at this point -Not as badly as we did about a week ago, when there were upwards of 75 active threads in a span of two or three days. Now, it's settled to around 35. There's usually a spike on weekends, though.
#224 Therise Jun 27, 2008 12:38:13	-Two (one of which is mostly finished with), to be specific. Well, I hope this thing is fixed soon, as part of whatever they're doing: [INDENT]Wizard community website not responding The Wizards of the Coast community website is currently down for extended unplanned maintenance. We apologize for the delay, and hope to have it back up soon. Thank you for your patience, the Wizards Team.[/INDENT] I'm getting that screen multiple times every day for the past few weeks.
#225 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jun 27, 2008 12:54:31	Well, I hope this thing is fixed soon, as part of whatever they're doing: [INDENT]Wizard community website not responding The Wizards of the Coast community website is currently down for extended unplanned maintenance. We apologize for the delay, and hope to have it back up soon. Thank you for your patience, the Wizards Team.[/INDENT] I'm getting that screen multiple times every day for the past few weeks. Me too. Although, it seems to be getting better. I haven't seen that screen today, yet.
#226 lord_karsus Jun 27, 2008 12:55:50	-Yes. Everybody gets it, as the site randomly "goes down" throughout the day. Usually, that lasts about 5-10 minutes.
#227 Stigger Jun 27, 2008 15:22:15	That's been incredibly annoying... hasn't helped my mood about this place much either.
#228 lord_karsus Jun 27, 2008 15:23:36	-Yes, yes it is incredibly annoying.
#229 reneshat Jun 27, 2008 22:50:23	I think all the technical issues have helped to lower the amount of daily threads we have had in this forum.
#230 lord_karsus Jun 27, 2008 22:58:42	I think all the technical issues have helped to lower the amount of daily threads we have had in this forum. -Correct. The last week has yielded lower numbers than what the forums were demonstrating. G0 and the rest of CM is quite aware of that, however, and the issue has been already raised. While we don't think for them, it is wholly likely that, being as that they have brains, the numbers for the past week will be viewed with an imaginary asterisk attached, like Barry Bonds' single-season Home Run Record in the Baseball Hall of Fame.
#231 merrikcale Jun 28, 2008 7:52:13	- While we don't think for them, we don't?
#232 lord_karsus Jun 28, 2008 10:14:49	we don't? -If we did, I could guarantee that things would be different around here, and dare I say, better.
#233 Therise Jun 28, 2008 10:22:01	-If we did, I could guarantee that things would be different around here, and dare I say, better. Shhh!... the gnomes can hear you, you know. And they're monsters, now. RAWR!
#234 lord_karsus Jun 28, 2008 10:43:26	Shhh!... the gnomes can hear you, you know. And they're monsters, now. RAWR! -I meant more in the context of the boards, but I hear you.
#235 merrikcale Jun 30, 2008 18:19:50	what do we have a week or so until the split? I have expected this morning long shut down would have resulted in a split forum
#236 lord_karsus Jun 30, 2008 21:29:39	what do we have a week or so until the split?/QUOTE] -I have no clue when it might come, anymore. I already asked Mike, but he has yet to respond, so...It's coming, though. We just don't know...when. -Dare I say, like your 4e books? :P
#237 merrikcale Jun 30, 2008 21:33:22	-Dare I say, like your 4e books? :P Funny you should say. Amazon emailed me that they have been shipped. Ha!
#238 lord_karsus Jun 30, 2008 21:40:18	Funny you should say. Amazon emailed me that they have been shipped. Ha! -They've lies to you before. They'll do it again. :P
#239 merrikcale Jun 30, 2008 22:16:27	-They've lies to you before. They'll do it again. :P well, you can be sure I will be tracking my package
#240 warweaver Jul 01, 2008 3:07:25	well, you can be sure I will be tracking my package That's what she said!
#241 ikki Jul 01, 2008 3:15:45	-Just trying to share. Various individuals have stated their intentions to leave, because of the merger of the various Forgotten Realms subareas into one unified section. Doing so would be counterproductive to the "plight" to have things seperated by whatever degree. pre- and post- spellplague posting areas? ;)
#242 lord_karsus Jul 01, 2008 10:19:33	pre- and post- spellplague posting areas? ;) -I responded on the thread in the Community Business section.
#243 merrikcale Jul 02, 2008 15:28:11	they planning this split for next week?
#244 lord_karsus Jul 02, 2008 21:08:48	they planning this split for next week? -Don't know. Mike said he'd be looking at wrecan's data after the 4th, so presumably, it's coming. We have the names of the threads and the descriptions and all, so we're all ready on our part. We're just waiting on them, now.
#245 merrikcale Jul 03, 2008 7:10:06	Cool. Though I suppose it would mean a lengthy shutdown
#246 lord_karsus Jul 03, 2008 9:54:30	Cool. Though I suppose it would mean a lengthy shutdown -That, I don't know. I have no clue what maintaining and changing things actually entails.