Chris Perkins at approx. 5:53 wrote:
(A little off-topic: Chris has a piece of paper above his desk that says "Rich Baker must be stopped!" and that made me chuckle a bit.)
-Our pain is a joke to them. :P
-Just to let you know, that "began" when msatran consistently ended his posts with "Rich Baker must be Stopped!" in the tradition of Roman orators. It soon caught a spark of it's own and became a FR Boards phenominon. Everyone, at one point of time or another, has seemingly needed to be stopped, since.
-But, yes, a Forgotten Realms version of Wookiepeedia would be a welcome thing, no matter who it's maintained by: fans, WotC, whoever.
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-But, yes, a Forgotten Realms version of Wookiepeedia would be a welcome thing, no matter who it's maintained by: fans, WotC, whoever.
True enough. I'd use it
It's my understanding that the FR Wiki will be maintained by WotC staff and freelancers (presumably to preserve the integrity of the lore contained therein). But I haven't heard anything about it in a few months. I hope it's still on the roadmap.
Good to hear. That's what I meant by things getting "polluted." You let some guy like Karsus contribute and the whole wiki loses its integrity. :D
Either way, at the point where WotC maintains complete control over it, it is no longer a true wiki. You simply have a database--which is perfectly fine by me.
Except for the fact that I know I'll be paying for it....
Corporate croonies, maniac fans, 4chan trolls...
Considering how is Wikipedia, a wiki open to any random Joe IS potentialy problematic. Edit wars, by example.
Corporate croonies, maniac fans, 4chan trolls...
...Chewbacca, Pee-Wee Herman, Jeremiah Wright....
Yes, yes. An open edit wiki would destroy the Realms quicker than the Spellplague.
4chan trolls...
4chan
Come on now. Let's keep the Porn site referrences to a minimum on this here Family Friendly site.:P
4chan
Come on now. Let's keep the Porn site referrences to a minimum on this here Family Friendly site.:P
Yeah, baby!!
-Richard Baker MUST be stopped!!! I would love that as a T-shirt.
-I think it was Markus, who said that he'd get our addresses and make us all up shirts of that nature.
Good to hear. That's what I meant by things getting "polluted." You let some guy like Karsus contribute and the whole wiki loses its integrity. :D
-WTF!?
-The people making/designing said project would be blessed to have my participation on such a thing.
-WTF!?
-The people making/designing said project would be blessed to have my participation on such a thing.
Never. NOT ever, did I think I could get that out of you.
And I, myself, think its possible I would be blessed with your participation in such a thing.
But wiki's are open things. What you would put down as canon could quickly get written over or modified in part.
Would you like to have to continually go back, check, rewrite and defend what you know as canon? 'Cause that would be what you would be facing.
Think about how many people are willing to argue with you here. Now think of those who would argue with what you would say is fact with FR--especially in light with what just happened on the other thread.
Never. NOT ever, did I think I could get that out of you.
-Why? Though, I realized after the fact that it was you who said it.
-I make no qualms that I am a very proud person.
But wiki's are open things. What you would put down as canon could quickly get written over or modified in part.
-I don't think Chris Perkins meant it in that kind of sense, especially if it is going to be maintained by WotC staff/officials. I think it was meant in the sense of like what is availible at Candlekeep- a large database of information, with citations and such- only in the common Wikipedia format, where one can click links within paragraphs, and such.
Think about how many people are willing to argue with you here. Now think of those who would argue with what you would say is fact with FR--especially in light with what just happened on the other thread.
-The people who'd be doing that would presumably be fans of the Forgotten Realms- something said person in question isn't, just so you know. Ironic, no? ;)
-Why? Though, I realized after the fact that it was you who said it.
-I make no qualms that I am a very proud person.
Great! I'm an "after the fact" guy!
And I am aware you are proud. Most of us are. That's why there is so much back and forth when an issue is dead, simply because people can't swallow there own.
-I don't think Chris Perkins meant it in that kind of sense, especially if it is going to be maintained by WotC staff/officials. I think it was meant in the sense of like what is availible at Candlekeep- a large database of information, with citations and such- only in the common Wikipedia format, where one can click links within paragraphs, and such.
That's why I mentioned that they mentioned the creation of a database.
No wiki. I'm wit' ya.
-The people who'd be doing that would presumably be fans of the Forgotten Realms- something said person in question isn't, just so you know. Ironic, no? ;)
See point above.
Above.
Above!
Above!! :D
Yes, you would have a unique perspective, but people are always going to try and intrude with their own. Nothing you put down would essentially be safe. You would be at the will and whim of whoever monitored that subject at any moment or time. You get a slacker--or a person overwhelmed with edits--and whatever you put down could easily be lost.
Great! I'm an "after the fact" guy!
-Not so much as I wasn't paying attention to who posted, rather than what was posted.
And I am aware you are proud. Most of us are. That's why there is so much back and forth when an issue is dead, simply because people can't swallow there own.
-Indeed.
Yes, you would have a unique perspective, but people are always going to try and intrude with their own. Nothing you put down would essentially be safe. You would be at the will and whim of whoever monitored that subject at any moment or time. You get a slacker--or a person overwhelmed with edits--and whatever you put down could easily be lost.
-If it's a simple database if citations and information, there really shouldn't be much "perspective", to begin with. There should just be facts.
-Not so much as I wasn't paying attention to who posted, rather than what was posted.
So much for details. I'd keep crying, but I'm too tired and figure sleep is the better remedy.
-If it's a simple database if citations and information, there really shouldn't be much "perspective", to begin with. There should just be facts.
And my point dealt with the wiki.
Anything dynamic, with "fan" input, would be bad in my opinion.
So much for details. I'd keep crying, but I'm too tired and figure sleep is the better remedy.
-I'm not worth crying over. I don't matter. :D
Anything dynamic, with "fan" input, would be bad in my opinion.
-Some kind of "official" review process could eliminate this or, at the least, make it's effects negilible, but, I agree, user submissions would not be a good idea.
-I'm not worth crying over. I don't matter. :D
No worries--I'm over it. Quickly. ;)
-Some kind of "official" review process could eliminate this or, at the least, make it's effects negilible, but, I agree, user submissions would not be a good idea.
Yes, an "official" review process could take care of things, but then you got to wonder, "What's the point?" If the "officials" are those that are responsible for putting out the material in the first place, then it is just wasted time and effort on their part to try and monitor such a thing.
Much like the example I gave to you about having to defend your own, they would be forced into the same hassles. Might as well dump everything into a static database and let people have access to it. Less time, money and frustration. From a business standpoint, that makes more sense than a wiki.
Yes, an "official" review process could take care of things, but then you got to wonder, "What's the point?" If the "officials" are those that are responsible for putting out the material in the first place, then it is just wasted time and effort on their part to try and monitor such a thing.
-I understand. Having edit everything that is submitted to me with my own project, I also sometimes wonder why I ask other people for help. But, it is a lot faster to edit something that is written already than it is to write something from scratch.
Much like the example I gave to you about having to defend your own, they would be forced into the same hassles. Might as well dump everything into a static database and let people have access to it. Less time, money and frustration. From a business standpoint, that makes more sense than a wiki.
-Odds are, as I said, it is probably just a database with citations in the Wikipedia format, sans the editing.
-I understand. Having edit everything that is submitted to me with my own project, I also sometimes wonder why I ask other people for help. But, it is a lot faster to edit something that is written already than it is to write something from scratch.
Point taken. But be aware that all of this stuff is already written to begin with. You're literally doing a copy and paste in most instances, because its all filed away electronically as is.
Of course, there would have to be guidelines, and some sort of approval process.
What topic/subjects will the D&D Insider Wikis cover?
We are looking at several wikis, as part of the Gleemax/D&D Community features. The first will be private wikis associated with a DM’s individual Campaign Vault pages—essentially, a wiki a DM may use to flesh out his or her campaign, with restricted permission for others to access or modify.
The second wiki will be open to the entire community as well as select authors and game designers and will primarily be used to compile information related to official campaign settings; Forgotten Realms and Eberron are the first such wikis planned.
The third wiki has been referred to as the Player Repository (name subject to change). Also open to the entire community, this wiki will compile house rules, options and character builds as submitted from around the player community for ranking and potential inclusion in future official releases.
Found this at the Official D&D FAQ:
Gug.
Thanks for the tip, Alator.
Sorry. I just can't see this as a good thing. You end up right back where we started on the issue of canon.
I don't know, it states that authors and game designers will be there, so I would guess they will keep things under some sort of control
We can only pray to Bejebuz on this matter.
Sorry. I just can't see this as a good thing. You end up right back where we started on the issue of canon.
-Yup.
I don't know, it states that authors and game designers will be there, so I would guess they will keep things under some sort of control
-It's not like they are infallable.
Found this at the Official D&D FAQ:
Nice find, Alator!
Now, how will the staff help keep these said wikipedias regulated?
-Sounds like a question for Rich Baker, maybe.
Uh, no. Rich Baker must be stopped. Remember?