I am just curious.
the main ones are : as FRCS, FR PHB about the FR and PHB, MMI, DMG about D&D
The adventures, "add-ons",... usually are not.
And Frenchies do not like foreighn languages so... They don't use a lot of books to play and do not read all the novels.
Even the only person in my table that isn't fluent enough with enligsh preffers the terms in that language.
Las idiomas románticas, particularmente español no se parecen bien adaptadas a los juegos de actuación de papeles de la fantasía. Pienso siempre en el primer germánico. Reconozco esto soy mi diagonal pero fantasía, puesto que su inicio ha sido un producto de Europa norteña… Tolkien tomó sus ideas de los nórdicos, de los anglosajones, de los celts y de los finns… de todos modos, apenas mi opinión extraña.
And while we are at this, I just read in one of the online newspapers that there are at least 6000 northamericans living in Buenos Aires, no wonder why every time I get back from work there is at least a group of people speaking in english.
If I ever move back to Paraguay, I imagine it will be kinda difficult to familiarize possible players there with the English terms, as almost noboby there speaks English. And as Alediran said, Spanish sucks for class titles and such, mostly because if you use a combined word, you normally put the second part in front of the first one, with a "de" in the middle, unless spanish has a unique word for it.
And while we are at this, I just read in one of the online newspapers that there are at least 6000 northamericans living in Buenos Aires, no wonder why every time I get back from work there is at least a group of people speaking in english.
Really? I have flown over Buenos Aires a few times when I was riding a plane to Germany ( or to Paraguay ) and the city was *enormous*. I´d imagine that it´d be difficult to always run into a few of the 6000 people who speak English in a city this big. OTOH, if they tend to live in certain areas, your chance could of course be much higher.
My Spanish is atrocious (I probably mispelled all of that), but my Spanglish is pretty decent. :D
So if I'm ever down in Argentina, can I play in one of your games, Alediran?
I have more trouble when I play Warhammer stuff - those British mispell everything. :P
I find it VERY interesting that nearly every other language is merging with English as time marches on - I suppose the Internet also helps quite a bit with that. No wonder the French have laws about 'Language Purity'.
English is also changing (since I was a kid) and gaining quite a few words from other languages (especially Spanish), so in another hundred years or so we'll probably all be speaking some form of Global Language. Then you guys won't have to worry about what format books are printed in.
@Lyv: most of them live in the area of Plaza Italia (where the city Zoo is located), which is the next subway station in the line I take to go to work.
Here is the map of the area: http://www.vivirenaires.com.ar/imagenes/mapapalermo.jpg
I live in Scalabrini Ortiz (the next street going to Malabia, which is the lower-left street) and Paraguay (which can be seen at the bottom right). My subway stop is in Scalabrini Ortiz and Santa Fe (3 blocks from home). The city's airport is not far from the area. One of my players lives in the same area, a couple blocks from the subway station of Palermo.
@Lyv: most of them live in the area of Plaza Italia, which is the next subway station in the line I take to go to work.
And that explains that. :D Well, if I ever get to Buenos Aires, we definitely have to meet and talk. :P I got two cousins there, so it isn´t totally impossible.
http://www.achu.com.ar/.
In the third photo appears the chinesse restaurant where I ordered a lot of food when I was working near. Really good stuff.
The biggest problem that romace languages have is that you can't make word fusions like ginormus or retcon without sounding stupid. The language is very complex and it's hard to create new words. It's also known, that for those whose primary language is a latin-descendant one, it's easier for them to learn english, than for an english-speaker to learn latin languages.
And while we are at this, I just read in one of the online newspapers that there are at least 6000 northamericans living in Buenos Aires, no wonder why every time I get back from work there is at least a group of people speaking in english.
I disagree, on both experiential grounds and practical grounds. Ever met a Spaniard?
All members of my family speak both languages. One of my grandmother's sisters and her sons live in USA, a couple on New York and the rest in Los Angeles.
My GF sees this every time she has to go to her college: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/09/vista-desde-arriba-de-ciudad.html
No, but from the talks I had with some northamericans they are always marveled of how easy we get english while they have to make big efforts to learn spanish.
All members of my family speak both languages. One of my grandmother's sisters and her sons live in USA, a couple on New York and the rest in Los Angeles.
My GF sees this every time she has to go to her college: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/09/vista-desde-arriba-de-ciudad.html
Ese blog es excelente. ¿Puedo preguntar qué clase de trabajo lo hace?
@MT: Yeah, sure, you can come to play with us. Except for that single player (who is studying english at this moment) we all speak english, my GF is an english teacher at school.
Hmmmm... a German with relatives in Argentina... how does that old joke go again? :P
Just pulling your legs there, guys. ;)
No wonder the French have laws about 'Language Purity'.
Over that, first French translated novels (up to round 2002) are shorter and the pieces of text which have been cut are sometimes quite important within the plot !
moreover, items and heroes names are sometimes strangely translated ! It happens that the both names have no link with each other. Really strange !
But, yes Mark, Frenchies (at least those who are more than 30 years old !) love to take care with the use of their language. We love it.
And so many Frenchies hate foreighn languages ! They're afraid of them !
I remind me a joke :
How do you call someone who speaks three languages ?
a trilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks two languages ?
a bilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks one language ?
a French guy!
It' so true !
Photos from the Japanese garden: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/08/un-paseo-por-el-jardin-japones.html
It was donated by Japan's emperor himself. There are a lot of japanese living in Buenos Aires too (they love Argentina and it's pretty common to see a Tango pub in Japan). One of class-mates from my cheff school is japanese (I'm still trying to make him teach me how to make sushi but I haven't had the time yet).
Over that, first French translated novels (up to round 2002) are shorter and the pieces of text which have been cut are sometimes quite important within the plot !
moreover, items and heroes names are sometimes strangely translated ! It happens that the both names have no link with each other. Really strange !
But, yes Mark, Frenchies (at least those who are more than 30 years old !) love to take care with the use of their language. We love it.
And so many Frenchies hate foreighn languages ! They're afraid of them !
I remind me a joke :
How do you call someone who speaks three languages ?
a trilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks two languages ?
a bilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks one language ?
a French guy!
It' so true !
My British mates (from another site) told it to me like this -
"What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?"
Bilinigual
"What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?"
European
"What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?"
American
And that is so true - my sister (the world traveller in our family) - tells me everywhere she goes she finds English speakers (even China!), and she feels very 'inadequate' when she skis the Alps (all sides).
Over that, first French translated novels (up to round 2002) are shorter and the pieces of text which have been cut are sometimes quite important within the plot !
moreover, items and heroes names are sometimes strangely translated ! It happens that the both names have no link with each other. Really strange !
But, yes Mark, Frenchies (at least those who are more than 30 years old !) love to take care with the use of their language. We love it.
And so many Frenchies hate foreighn languages ! They're afraid of them !
I remind me a joke :
How do you call someone who speaks three languages ?
a trilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks two languages ?
a bilingual guy
How do you call someone who speaks one language ?
a French guy!
It' so true !
Pense tu que Michel Houllebecq est un génie/pionnier littéraire ou une fraude ou bien provacateur ? Il est un de mes auteurs préférés. Je sais que les opinions sur la question sont divisées en France. Que pense tu?
My British mates (from another site) told it to me like this -
"What do you call someone who speaks 2 languages?"
Bilinigual
"What do you call someone who speaks 3 languages?"
European
"What do you call someone who speaks 1 language?"
American
And that is so true - my sister (the world traveller in our family) - tells me everywhere she goes she finds English speakers (even China!), and she feels very 'inadequate' when she skis the Alps (all sides).
Are you a monoglot Longislander?
Pense tu que Michel Houllebecq est un génie/pionnier littéraire ou une fraude ou bien provacateur ? Il est un de mes auteurs préférés. Je sais que les opinions sur la question sont divisées en France. Que pense tu?
Goes to show you how much related the romace languages are. I haven't even studied french but I understood a part, what I get was:
Piensas que Michel Houllebecq es un genio/pionero de la literatura, un fraude o un provocador? Es uno de mis autores preferidos (no estoy seguro de esta oración). . Que piensas tu?
Goes to show you how much related the romace languages are. I haven't even studied french but I understood a part, what I get was:
Piensas que Michel Houllebecq es un genio/pionero de la literatura, un fraude o un provocador? Es uno de mis autores preferidos (no estoy seguro de esta oración). . Que piensas tu?
You got most of it. Not bad. French in many ways is more difficult than Spanish; the pronunciation for example but they are both Western Romance languages and share many (on paper) many grammatical features in common such as verb conjugation, etc. The part you didn't get was just me saying that I know opinions are divided in France on the matter.
You would be surprised that I only had one year of formal english studies in a private institute when I was eight years old. The rest of my skill I developed it on my own, with extensive reading, seeing movies in english and board posting. A year ago I was doing a job interview in a multinational for IT development with people around the earth and I got a 9.5 in my english test (4 hours). Didn't get the job not because of skill but because of my personality test. They found I was too independent for their tastes.
Relics from the past: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/06/sbado-en-san-telmo.html
Especially combats involve more English than Dutch...
Ik maak een "move action" en "attack" die "goblin". Haha! Ik "flank" en "sneak attack"! Ik raak AC 21 en doe 43 "damage". Jouw beurt.
Especially combats involve more English than Dutch...
De Nederlands taal is een moie taal. Dat is sikker!
I could get most of it not only because they are related but because I have natural skill for languages.
You would be surprised that I only had one year of formal english studies in a private institute when I was eight years old. The rest of my skill I developed it on my own, with extensive reading, seeing movies in english and board posting. A year ago I was doing a job interview in a multinational for IT development with people around the earth and I got a 9.5 in my english test (4 hours). Didn't get the job not because of skill but because of my personality test. They found I was too independent for their tastes.
Relics from the past: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/06/sbado-en-san-telmo.html
Verstehst Du Deutsch auch? Begrijpt je Nederlands ook?
You need to start learning some Germanic languages!:D
De Nederlandse taal is een mooie taal. Dat is zeker!
Hey! Stop being such a language wonder! You know more languages than I do (Dutch get 4 languages at high school)! (oh and corrected it for you ;))
Sorry for that.
Are you a monoglot Longislander?
One fluently (English), but I 'dabble' in several others. My paternal Grandmother spoke German (and not very good at English), and my Maternal Grandmother spoke Estonian almost exclusively, so my mother and Aunt are fluent in that as well (which means they can understand about 50% Finnish).
I try to know 50 or so basic words in major languages, just in case I'm stuck in a strange situation (broken elevator?) and need to communicate. That of course in no way means I can speak the language, but between the smattering I know and gestures, I can usually at least convey simple concepts.
And that very sad example of monoglotism is probably more then most Americans bother with, except for perhaps the southern border states and California (Where Mexican Spanish is almost as common as English), and of course New Orleans, where a weird version of French is spoken.
And then there is NY City, where is pretty hard to find anyone who speaks English well. :P
Melting Pot, indeed.
Hmmmm... a German with relatives in Argentina... how does that old joke go again? :P
-Something about Josef Mengele, but I don't think it's very funny.
me comprende espanol muy malo... me hablo espanol piquito. ;)
My Spanish is atrocious (I probably mispelled all of that), but my Spanglish is pretty decent. :D
So if I'm ever down in Argentina, can I play in one of your games, Alediran?
I have more trouble when I play Warhammer stuff - those British mispell everything. :P
I find it VERY interesting that nearly every other language is merging with English as time marches on - I suppose the Internet also helps quite a bit with that. No wonder the French have laws about 'Language Purity'.
English is also changing (since I was a kid) and gaining quite a few words from other languages (especially Spanish), so in another hundred years or so we'll probably all be speaking some form of Global Language. Then you guys won't have to worry about what format books are printed in.
back in PR people find "gringos" trying to speak spanish cute. I had a white GF in Ft. Lee that spoke really good spanish 
she got me the moment She said: dame chicle (gimme gum) you buy D&D source material in English and then have sessions in Spanish, French, Portuguese, German, etc. whilst using the English material or do you use translated versions?
I am just curious.
I've never seen a D&D book in Spanish In Puerto Rico and we play in spanglish pretty much like:
DM Tiren Iniciativa
Wizard: le voy a Castiar Melf's acid arrow
DM: Tirate un Spell recistence check
and so on
Hey! Stop being such a language wonder! You know more languages than I do (Dutch get 4 languages at high school)! (oh and corrected it for you ;))
I often forget the minor adjective endings Dutch still has. There are so many more in German and none in English; always the fine details. And I confused Danish 'sikker' with Dutch zeker....one of these days....;)
One fluently (English), but I 'dabble' in several others. My paternal Grandmother spoke German (and not very good at English), and my Maternal Grandmother spoke Estonian almost exclusively, so my mother and Aunt are fluent in that as well (which means they can understand about 50% Finnish).
I try to know 50 or so basic words in major languages, just in case I'm stuck in a strange situation (broken elevator?) and need to communicate. That of course in no way means I can speak the language, but between the smattering I know and gestures, I can usual a least convey simple concepts.
And that very sad example of monoglotism is probably more then most Americans bother with, except for perhaps the southern border states and California (Where Mexican Spanish is almost as common as English), and of course New Orleans, where a weird version of French is spoken.
And then there is NY City, where is pretty hard to find anyone who speaks English well. :P
Melting Pot, indeed.
I was from NYC. I never viewed Long Island as part of the city though.
I was from NYC. I never viewed Long Island as part of the city though.
Two of NYC's five boroughs are located on Long Island. ;)
And I was born in NYC, along with all my siblings, and thats where both of my parents grew up as well (and all four of their parents were Imigrants)
And unless you spend your entire life on Long Island, you have to travel through the city - its pretty much the only way in or out. During 911, we were all trapped because they literally 'closed down' the City - the ferry to Conneticut had a line three miles long (people were panicking).
So I may not live in the city, but it effects us each and every day... plus I used to hangout there quite a bit in my younger, rowdier days.
Probably where I first started to pick up Spanish - there was this one wh... Brothel where they only spoke Spanish, and the sad part was that my pathetic Spanish was actually better then my Puerto Rican roomate's (he REFUSED to learn any of it).
Still, we had some wild times. :D
I used to know a bunch of Estonian myself, but after my Grandmother died (when I was seven) no one in the family bothered to speak it anymore.
I have two big regrets in my life - not learning a second language, and not learning how to play piano. Who knows? Maybe I still have time...
Two of NYC's five boroughs are located on Long Island. ;)
And I was born in NYC, along with all my siblings, and thats where both of my parents grew up as well (and all four of their parents were Imigrants)
And unless you spend your entire life on Long Island, you have to travel through the city - its pretty much the only way in or out. During 911, we were all trapped because they literally 'closed down' the City - the ferry to Conneticut had a line three miles long (people were panicking).
So I may not live in the city, but it effects us each and every day... plus I used to hangout there quite a bit in my younger, rowdier days.
Probably where I first started to pick up Spanish - there was this one wh... Brothel where they only spoke Spanish, and the sad part was that my pathetic Spanish was actually better then my Puerto Rican roomate's (he REFUSED to learn any of it).
Still, we had some wild times. :D
I used to know a bunch of Estonia myself, but after my Grandmother died (when I was seven) no one in the family bothered to speak it anymore.
I have two big regrets in my life - not learning a second language, and not learning how to play piano. Who knows? Maybe I still have time...
Both are still possible. Start now.
Hmmmm... a German with relatives in Argentina... how does that old joke go again? :P
Just pulling your legs there, guys. ;)
The family on my mothers part got to Paraguay over Brazil and from there over Böhmen und Mähren in Germany before 1900. :P
I'm working on a third language. Latin to be specific. I got the Rosetta Stone disk for free, sooo...
Lingua Latina pulcher est....
I was from NYC. I never viewed Long Island as part of the city though.
-It's not.
-What languages do I know? Eh, enough Spanish to get by (and the indirect knowledge of other romance languages because of that), English obviously, and enough Hebrew to make people think I can speak it, when I really can't. Being as that my sister has the Rosetta Stone software to learn Korean, I'll probably attempt to learn that one as well.
Je voudrais deux bieres s'il vous plait?
-Would it be possible if I could have two somethings...? Something like that. Close?
-It's not.
Thank God for small favors. :P
Lingua Latina pulcher est....
Yes it is. Although I kept mistaking the word for run with the word for jump.
We even got our own IMAX: http://www.achu.com.ar/2007/07/showcenter-norte.html
Are you close to where cacti grow?
Not here. Cacti grow in the south where the climate is more desert-like.
That is a part of your country I would like to visit.
Thankfully most young people in greece are fluent in english so we don't have any problem understanting the game.
Eh, no vale! Habéis colgado esto en viernes y ya habéis llenado tres páginas hablando de idiomas extranjeros!
Hey, that's not fair! You've posted this on friday and you've filled three pages talking about foreign languages!
Here in Spain the books come here in English at the same time. Then, Devir translates them to Spanish and appear about half a year later. I still hope one day they will be translated to Catalan! There was an initiative not very fruitful to make that: http://62.193.237.183/dnd%2Dct/
Yup yup. In PR they don't translate but they put subtitles unless is an animated movie like Ice Age in that case they do both (a teather in spanish an another sub)
-Almost everyone is somewhat bilingual in Puerto Rico anyway, aren't they. I recall someone telling me that, really, most of the population speaks English, primarily.
-For those of you who buy your sourcebooks in languages other than English, do you ever feel that the content "loses" something in translation?
I don't know how it is in South America, but the Spanish version here has some gaps. Translation of people and places names is horrible. Those with no translation are transcribed to make them sound as they should be in Spanish. I will spoil them to not make your eyes bleed:
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Corelon Larezhian
Erdri Fenya
Azut
Lazhander
Corelon Larezhian
Erdri Fenya
Azut
Lazhander
-Almost everyone is somewhat bilingual in Puerto Rico anyway, aren't they. I recall someone telling me that, really, most of the population speaks English, primarily.
Not really. we do take english classes from 1st grade up but since we mostly don't use we aren't THAT good, also the classes we take aren't exactly the same level that is here in the US like in 10th grade they teach you with books made for 5th graders here (it's better in private schools)
That being said I'll say that around 60% can speak it and around 80% can understand it and maybe speak it to save their lives (as in they are late for a flight and they are in a airport with no spanish speakers)
Officially both are the official language
I don't know how it is in South America, but the Spanish version here has some gaps. Translation of people and places names is horrible. Those with no translation are transcribed to make them sound as they should be in Spanish. I will spoil them to not make your eyes bleed:Show
Corelon Larezhian
Erdri Fenya
Azut
Lazhander
Not really. we do take english classes from 1st grade up but since we mostly don't use we aren't THAT good, also the classes we take aren't exactly the same level that is here in the US like in 10th grade they teach you with books made for 5th graders here (it's better in private schools)
That being said I'll say that around 60% can speak it and around 80% can understand it and maybe speak it to save their lives (as in they are late for a flight and they are in a airport with no spanish speakers)
Officially both are the official language
-That's interesting. The person I referenced said that, for the most part, people speak English in PR. According to this person, only the poorer places, and the rural places in the country stick to Spanish, while the major metropolitan places and the affluent use English.
-That's interesting. The person I referenced said that, for the most part, people speak English in PR. According to this person, only the poorer places, and the rural places in the country stick to Spanish, while the major metropolitan places and the affluent use English.
Naw. It is better or worst depending were you go but no one but my dad and me in my household is "fluent" He know cuz he served I know cuz I liked comicbooks/videogames and took it upon myself to get better. my sis NOW knows cuz she moved to FL and she was obviously more exposed to it but the rest of the family knows very little, and mind you that my family is from and lives in biggest touristic area and most tourist are americans.
However because of our socio-political situayion with the US alot of the american culture(specially pop-culture) has an impact on ours. and we do speak "spanglish" for instance:
Dame un break que tengo rush aqui en el trabajo (Gimme a break that I'm rushed here at work) but is not like most pricans can establish a whole conversation in spanish
I think Caballero Rojo is the worst followed by Mascara (sounds like a mexican wrestler:nonono
Mascara is a black, waxy substance used by women to coat their eyelashes with.
It's not pronouced the same tho :P
you buy D&D source material in English and then have sessions in Spanish, French, Portuguese, German, etc. whilst using the English material or do you use translated versions?
I am just curious.
Here in the philippines, we use d&d books as there's no translated material available. During gameplay its a smattering of english and maybe two or three more local languages, as me (the dm) and one of my players speaks Hiligaynon, two others speak Tagalog and two speak Ilocano, so you can just imagine...:P .
Of course we understand each other perfectly well in Filipino and English most of the time.
:D