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#1 suin_bahhar_02 Feb 21, 2009 16:57:50	Was reading this great novel, the Innocent Mage, and I wondered: How many kingdoms and areas are under active weather control? Was thinking the druidic circles round Cormyr might call favorable winds over the land and coasts, Thayan fields that get controlled weather for faster growth, perhaps blessing by nature spirits and fey in Rasheman, or curses by Auril. Any referances for those? How exactly do the Netherese go about creating furtile ground in the Aunaroch?
#2 JudgeDookie Feb 21, 2009 17:40:05	Irrigation ditches watered through shadow blankets melting the High Glacier.
#3 lord_karsus Feb 21, 2009 18:10:22	-There's Elversuit, with Amaunator's Eternal Sun. That messes up the weather, when you think about it's effects on nature, always being sunny and all.
#4 lady_rolindin Feb 21, 2009 20:35:14	I would gather a guess it was the spell plauge, that countered or weaken the phaerimm orignal spells. The Phaerimm did cast permanent magic drain spells that began draining life energies as well, slowly killing everything within their sphere of effect. So maybe the spell plauge effected the permanent life draing spells in some ways or destroyed them.. 1. If the spell plauge countered or altered the spells then that could be a reason. 2. If the spell plauge weakened the original spells of the phaerimm's then the Shadovar's the could counsel the spells out. That is my best guess untill something in writing comes out. any others who want to venture a guess?
#5 quale1 Feb 23, 2009 11:36:09	think Halruaans cast lot of these spells, mostly cold based and in Calimshan, for food production
#6 suin_bahhar_02 Feb 23, 2009 12:39:16	The actual magi and holymen that do the weather control must live heavily monitored lives. Guessing in Calimshan most will be controlled in guilds or might be affeliated with the governing powers, because having a rogue weathermagus or druid turn a seasons worth of foodstuffs into pulp by a sleetstorm is rather distressing. Interestingly, Calimport has a strong temple of Bhaelros (Talos). It is likely responceable for any weather controlling magics cast in Calimport and its surrounding areas. It might be competing with a druidic order nearby as it does so. Curiously, the very members of the clergy of Bhaelros are also responcable for "controlled" destruction of fields and yards. Hmm, the Phearimms's curse on Anauroch was a growing thing. The draining of life must have had disastrous results to the lower lifeforms in the desert over there. Perhaps the extermination of the Phearimm broke the curse because the magical vermin were actively envoking the necromantic climate control spells during their imprisonment. The Netherese did create a lake in a previously barren spot at the start of their return in 1373, but the waterbody has strange unnatural shadows and foggy conditions... Anyone for a glass of Shadowwater? Eh? Anyone?
#7 red_wizard Feb 23, 2009 17:51:36	Strange that no one has even mentioned Thay, the only place who has been shown to drastically, and almost completely use weather controlling/ altering magic. Granted this stopped in 4e, but in all other editions it was one of their main shticks, right down to specific Red Wizard only spells in 2e. Many a time it's mentioned the unnatural beauty of the place thanks tot he spells, and mentions the fallout of such magic in surround lands. If it weren't for such spells, the land would remain very much what it has become. Barren, windswept, dusty, desolate and all that good stuff. -RW
#8 lord_karsus Feb 25, 2009 9:49:05	Perhaps the extermination of the Phearimm broke the curse because the magical vermin were actively envoking the necromantic climate control spells during their imprisonment. -I don't think it would, no. The Phaerimm were imprisoned and cut off from the world behind the Sharn Wall, and the magic continued to prevent "life" from growing. A lot of spells continue persisting even after those who cast them are knocked unconscious, killed, imprisoned, leave the plane, etc.
#9 suin_bahhar_02 Feb 25, 2009 10:14:48	Those draining spells are odd for they dont rob the whole area of life. The Aunaroch stil supports the Bedine. The phearimm must have used some sort of Athasian defiler type magic. How do the Bedine get their food in a barren landscape? I think they rely on the nearby grasslands crossing the steppes of western Aunaroch, which has large roaming bison hordes. Szass Tamm should have thought twice when he assaulted the thayan transmuters for his coupe. Using undead for free labor in argicultural fields which get a stablized climate could have gotten him large swaths of capital in foodstuffs, goodwill and it would create markets around his borders at the same time.
#10 lord_karsus Feb 25, 2009 11:05:36	How do the Bedine get their food in a barren landscape? -The same way the Bedouin do, probably. Odds are, Anauroch goes into this detail about the Bedine. If you don't have that one, I can look it up, if you want.
#11 red_wizard Feb 25, 2009 13:36:26	Szass Tamm should have thought twice when he assaulted the thayan transmuters for his coupe. Using undead for free labor in argicultural fields which get a stablized climate could have gotten him large swaths of capital in foodstuffs, goodwill and it would create markets around his borders at the same time. As you find out in the final book of the Undying lands, he for a very good reason wasn't to worried about continued agriculture. -RW