2) Did Aliisza ever raise Pharaun? I remember she took his finger. I know there were 3 books about her (I cant remember the trilogy name) and I only read the first book. I'm curious if he's alive o0
1) In the current timeline of 4E, where would Araevin Teshurr be? Would he be considered a Deva now or something else?
This is from memory and might be wrong, but AFAIK he went off on a quest with prince Lamruil. I'm not aware of any subsequent update. Also, deva doesn't seem quite right; those are typically ancient beings created by the gods or deriving out of planar "stuff" (for lack of a clear origin).
So I'm not sure how they would translate Araevin's half-celestial status into 4E.
2) Did Aliisza ever raise Pharaun? I remember she took his finger. I know there were 3 books about her (I cant remember the trilogy name) and I only read the first book. I'm curious if he's alive o0
The Empyrean Odyssey relates his fate:
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his soul was briefly put into another's body, but it decayed and he died... returing to the Demonweb pits, apparently.
I've been re-reading the War of the Spider Queen and despite him being such an evil bastard I love the character.
Thanks for the reply and the info. That's why i was curious about Araevin being a Deva 4E off-shoot or something because essentially (if I'n not mistake) Deva's are Assimmar (if spelled that right) aka half-celestial.
I've been re-reading the War of the Spider Queen and despite him being such an evil bastard I love the character.
Heh, I agree... those are two of my all-time favorite Realms characters also. I'd definitely like to know what happened to them.
Edit: it also just occurred to me that since Araevin is an NPC, he wouldn't have to follow the rules for PCs like they did in 3E. They could write his stat block so that he might be half-deva, or half-celestial... the names for those sorts of things take a big shift in meaning with 4E, though. IIRC, I -think- he traded a portion of his spirit with a 3E-styled "noble eladrin" which has a different meaning in 4E (since 4E eladrins aren't technically celestials... ah, anyway... you get the idea... it'd be hard to define what it "really" is, and what "really" happened). So if you like the idea of part-deva, definitely go with that.
I would probably go with Araevin Teshurr being an Eladrin in 4E.
I would probably go with Araevin Teshurr being an Eladrin in 4E.
Well, in 4E the Eladrin are not celestials. They're fey, which are from the feywild but still pretty normal and mortal. The being that Araevin merged with, it was an extraplanar outsider celestial. Like, "Court of Stars" type of celestial.
The celestial beings we used to call Eladrins in 3E were these guys:
- Coure - Spritelike eladrins that serve more powerful beings as messengers and scouts.
- Bralani - Wild and feral eladrins that can assume the shape of a whirlwind or zephyr of dust, snow, or sand.
- Firre - Red-haired elven eladrins that protect works of art and the artists who create them.
- Ghaele - Knights-errant of the celestials who quietly muster resistance and offer guidance to any of good heart.
- Noviere - an aquatic eladrin that dwells on Ossa, the second layer of Arborea.
- Shiere - serve and protect Arborea as the noble knights of the eladrin.
- Shiradi - Shiradis battle for freedom across the planes, helping the oppressed, deceived, and less fortunate.
- Tulani - The ancient faerie lords of the eladrin, who roam seeking peace, beauty, and solitude.
The new 4E "Eladrin" are just regular mortal elves with glowy eyes who live in the feywild. They appear as a PC race choice. Perhaps oddly, the old "sun elf" term that would've applied to Araevin before his... change... that would now be called "Eladrin" (but it wouldn't account for his half-celestial-ness, if that makes sense).
I would probably go with Araevin Teshurr being an Eladrin in 4E.
Well, in 4E the Eladrin are not celestials. They're fey, which are from the feywild but still pretty normal and mortal. The being that Araevin merged with, it was an extraplanar outsider celestial. Like, "Court of Stars" type of celestial.
The celestial beings we used to call Eladrins in 3E were these guys:
- Coure - Spritelike eladrins that serve more powerful beings as messengers and scouts.
- Bralani - Wild and feral eladrins that can assume the shape of a whirlwind or zephyr of dust, snow, or sand.
- Firre - Red-haired elven eladrins that protect works of art and the artists who create them.
- Ghaele - Knights-errant of the celestials who quietly muster resistance and offer guidance to any of good heart.
- Noviere - an aquatic eladrin that dwells on Ossa, the second layer of Arborea.
- Shiere - serve and protect Arborea as the noble knights of the eladrin.
- Shiradi - Shiradis battle for freedom across the planes, helping the oppressed, deceived, and less fortunate.
- Tulani - The ancient faerie lords of the eladrin, who roam seeking peace, beauty, and solitude.
The new 4E "Eladrin" are just regular mortal elves with glowy eyes who live in the feywild. They appear as a PC race choice. Perhaps oddly, the old "sun elf" term that would've applied to Araevin before his... change... that would now be called "Eladrin" (but it wouldn't account for his half-celestial-ness, if that makes sense).
What if you replace "noble eladrin" with archfey? Confusingly, the word eladrin is sometimes used in 4e game books to mean eladrin archfey(non mortals). I think maybe we're not really supposed to think of Eladrin as mortals, but the whole concept could have been better dealt with.
What if you replace "noble eladrin" with archfey? Confusingly, the word eladrin is sometimes used in 4e game books to mean eladrin archfey(non mortals). I think maybe we're not really supposed to think of Eladrin as mortals, but the whole concept could have been better dealt with.
Archfey might work... it's hard to say, because I'm not sure if we really know what type of celestial Araevin bonded with. But yeah, the whole "Eladrin" concept could've been better dealt with in 4E. Many things could've been better dealt with in 4E, for that matter, lol!
Edit: it occurs to me, after re-reading the passage where Araevin undergoes his transformation... it was a ritual of not only transformation, but also summoning. "Morthil's rite" apparently worked differently for Saelethil (summoning a being from the Abyss) than it did for Araevin (summoning an archfey noble, probably from Arvandor), but the result of the transformation was the same: changing the very nature of the person completing the rite. No longer an "elf" and "giving up his soul", according to Saelethil anyway, the rite has immense benefits in terms of power. But also great cost.
"Surrendering one's soul" (again, per Saelethil), whether to a demon or a celestial, turns one into an extraplanar outsider. I'll have to think about this more... interesting possibilities!