Archfey of the Feywild
Aurilandur the Frost Sprite Queen DR 376
Baba Yaga, ancient hag MoP
Cat Lord MoP
Deep Sashelas DR 376
Elias Alastai MoP
Green Lord Oran MoP
Hyrsam, satyr prince MoP
Koliada the Winter Witch DU 159
Lurue the Unicorn Queen DR 376
Maiden of the Moon MoP
Monkey King MoP
Morissa, the Lady of Swords AP
Neifon, the Lord of Bats AP, PoS
Prince of Frost DR 374, MoP
Prince of Hearts MoP
Relkath of the Infinite Branches DR 376
Sarula Iliene the Nixie Queen DR 352, 376
Scamander, river lord MoP
Siobhan Alastai MoP
Sky Shaper DU 165
Tiandra, the Summer Queen MoP
Verenestra the Oak Princess DR 376
Witch of Fates MoP
Zebechial, the Lord of Lightning AP
3e Court of Stars
Morwel, Queen of Stars
Gwynharwyf, the Whirling Fury
Faerinaal, Morwel's current consort
Ascodel, former consort of Morwel
Vaeros (deceased)
Possible Archfey
Of the Yuirwood:
Elikarashae
Zandilar the Dancer
Simbul
Of Rashemen:
Red Tree
Of the Moonshaes:
Grond Peaksmasher (originally a demigod of firbolgs)
Of the Lythari
Hro'nyewachu
Other Lords
Emmantiensen, treants (former deity)
Skerrit, the Forester king of centaurs (former deity)
Eadro, king of the merfolk (former deity)
Caoimhin, killmoulis
Tapann the Undying, korred prince (DR 119)
Fionnghuala, swanmane queen
Nathair Sgiathach, faerie dragon
Squelaiche, leprechaun lord
Eachthighern, prince consort to Lurue
Karontor, fomorian (former deity)
Rellavar Danuvien the Frost Sprite King (former deity see Dragon 236)
Tyssaklera queen of faerie dragons
Yathaghera, the Winged Queen of Evermeet
Queen of Thorns
Surminare, Queen of the Selkie
Persana, King of the Tritons (if tritons are fey and not elemental creatures)
Herne, Lord of the Wild Hunt (possibly deceased)
This is all just speculation based on various novels, sourcebooks, and previous editions. Let me know what you guys think, and maybe we can expand the list!
AP - Arcane Power
DR - Dragon Magazine
DU - Dungeon Magazine
MoP - Manual of the Planes
PoS - Plague of Spells, by Bruce R Cordell
Both probably count as archfey.
Tapann should replace Damh within the Realms (or they're the same god).
I'd ignore the 3e Court of Stars, since they weren't connected with fey in any way. They're a group of celestials, and in 4e terms they'd probably be angels.
An article by Ed Greenwood in Dragon #119 described Tapann the Undying, the Father of the Dance, god of korreds. Tapann has subsequently been mentioned in Faiths and Pantheons as the father of Shiallia.
Both probably count as archfey.
Tapann should replace Damh within the Realms (or they're the same god).
Ah ok, I'll put a note up in the OP about that then. Might as well list 'em both as interchangeable, although it would seem that Tapann is the Realmsified version of Damh. Shiallia is an exarch of Mielekki, not an archfey (according to canon anywho).
I'd ignore the 3e Court of Stars, since they weren't connected with fey in any way. They're a group of celestials, and in 4e terms they'd probably be angels.
It makes more sense that the Court of Stars eladrin lords would be fey rather than angels, especially since the other 3e eladrins have slowly become fey of one sort or another under the new 4e eladrin (i.e. the bralani). No firres or coures yet, but I hold out hope!
You could possibly also add Karontor, god of fomorians.
Done and done.
Possible Archfey
Of the Yuirwood:
Elikarashae
Zandilar the Dancer
Magnar the Bear
Relkath of the Infinite Branches
Simbul
Zandilar the dancer, isnt she dead?
Magnar the Bear I think had a line in the Stardeep stating he was sleeping.. or was it Relkath.
the Simbul was a humanoid witch, and she is dead...
Zandilar the dancer, isnt she dead?
Magnar the Bear I think had a line in the Stardeep stating he was sleeping.. or was it Relkath.
Technically, if memory serves, Zandilar was absorbed by Sharess, but I see no reason why she couldn't have been an archfey, as opposed to an actual goddess. Magnar the Bear doesn't have tons of info that I can find on him. Relkath was indeed slumberous, but also is mentioned in some sources as an aspect of Rillifane Rallathil.
the Simbul was a humanoid witch, and she is dead...
The Witch Queen herself is actually not dead, she's residing in Shadowdale with her lil ole lovemuffin Elminster.
However, in the novel The Simbul's Gift, the Witch Queen ventures into the Yuirwood and, amongst other things, the Simbul is revealed to have been a spirit/goddess/archfey of the Yuirwood who was a being of decisiveness, the blade's edge moment when you choose one thing or another, which is one of the reason the Witch Queen received her title of the Simbul, given to her by the Queen of Aglarond, Ilione, whom she served before ascending the throne herself.
Technically, if memory serves, Zandilar was absorbed by Sharess, but I see no reason why she couldn't have been an archfey, as opposed to an actual goddess. Magnar the Bear doesn't have tons of info that I can find on him. Relkath was indeed slumberous, but also is mentioned in some sources as an aspect of Rillifane Rallathil.
The Simbul herself is actually not dead, she's residing in Shadowdale with her lil ole lovemuffin Elminster.
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wrong Simbul there.
the 7 sisters Simbul is not the Simbul you are thinking of
wrong Simbul there.
the 7 sisters Simbul is not the Simbul you are thinking of
Hmm, no, it's actually exactly the one I'm thinking of. It's mentioned in the FRCS that the Witch Queen was thought to have died during the Year of Seven Sisters (1425 DR) when Velsharoon died, but it is stated immediately thereafter that the Witch Queen is currently residing in the Dalelands.
FRCS p.88
Lurue and Nobanion are also former dieties. They were both lesser dieties.
D'oh! Bad bad me. Fixed now in the OP.
It makes more sense that the Court of Stars eladrin lords would be fey rather than angels, especially since the other 3e eladrins have slowly become fey of one sort or another under the new 4e eladrin (i.e. the bralani). No firres or coures yet, but I hold out hope!
Rip is right. The Summer Queen and her gang came in instead of Morwel and her consorts. While tulani and other former eladrin types are going to be fey, I highly doubt that we'll see Morwel in any form in 4e.
Rip is right. The Summer Queen and her gang came in instead of Morwel and her consorts. While tulani and other former eladrin types are going to be fey, I highly doubt that we'll see Morwel in any form in 4e.
That's all well and good, but they're included in the list for completeness' sake. This list is supposed to give options and invite speculation (and yes, maybe even stats, if I can get around to it!) about who the various archfey are. Not all of the archfey listed in the Manual of the Planes are necessarily going to be FR canon. Rich Baker mentioned in one of his various thread responses that the Feywild in the Manual of the Planes, isn't necessarily the Feywild of Faerun.
But, I hear where you're coming from, I'm just leavin 'em up there just in case.
Hmm, no, it's actually exactly the one I'm thinking of. It's mentioned in the FRCS that she was thought to have died during the Year of Seven Sisters (1425 DR) when Velsharoon died, but it is stated immediately thereafter that she is currently residing in the Dalelands.
This Simbul is one of the Chosen.
SFDragon was referring to the Simbul of your list (who he claims was a humanoid witch :confused
who was one of the totems revered by the earliest human and green elven barbarian tribes of Aglarond, and a (possibly fey) member of the Yuir dietes. The feisty Simbul, the Chosen who was named Alassra Silverhand, later took on the name of the ancient archfey. I still don't understand why though...The Simbul (the archfey) might have had experience with Far Realm entities as her followers were adept abberation hunters. She also had some affinity to time as Labelas Enoreth is rumored to have absorbed her.
The cerulean sign might be one of the wards created by the Simbul.
My posts edited to reflect this.
Maybe Persana if tritons happen to be considered fey in 4th edition.
No Titania, Oberon, and the Queen of Air and Darkness?
There was also a giant rabbit with a pocketwatch (I kid you not) - I'll have to check through Tall Tales of the Wee Folk for more.
Another possibility is Herne, Lord of the Wild Hunt (who had a presence in Realmspace at some point, since a forest is named after him, but he was killed by Malar).
Queen of Air and Darkness is Auril
other possible archfey
Rellavar Danuvien ''The Frost Sprite King"
Sarula Iliene, the nixie queen
Tyssaklera, the queen of all the faerie dragons in Faerun
Bear, Eagle, Raven, and Wolf, beast-totems
Yathaghera, the Winged Queen of Evermeet, pegasi and unicorns
Queen of Thorns
Lashrael and Felarathael, more likely exarchs of Corellon
etc. maybe Eldath and Trishina, and all 3e elf, gnome or goblin gods that aren't mentioned as exarchs in FRCG
Tiandra seems to be Titania and Morwel, Green Lord Oran is Oberon, and is also a bit like Herne
Queen of Air and Darkness is Auril
other possible archfey
Rellavar Danuvien ''The Frost Sprite King"
Sarula Iliene, the nixie queen
Tyssaklera, the queen of all the faerie dragons in Faerun
Bear, Eagle, Raven, and Wolf, beast-totems
Yathaghera, the Winged Queen of Evermeet, pegasi and unicorns
Queen of Thorns
Lashrael and Felarathael, more likely exarchs of Corellon
etc. maybe Eldath and Trishina, and all 3e elf, gnome or goblin gods that aren't mentioned as exarchs in FRCG
I added some of those mentioned to the lists. I avoided the beast-totems for now, since it might seem that'd be more up the primal spirits alley then the fey IMO. At least in terms of tribal beast-totems.
I didn't put Lashrael or Felarathael in either, for the reason that they always struck me more as their own divinities.
Where is Tyssaklera mentioned? I swear I've read that name somewhere....*pores over the various sourcebooks scattered around*
Hmmmm...
So the lord of the Tulani, Ghaelle, Firre clan would make good end game tier fey strikers. Courre, Noviere, Shiere, Shiradi and Bralani lords are low end epic.
In fact my take on Archfey makes it so that monsters native of the Feywild, like Displacer Beasts, Goblins, Gnomes (rawr), Satyrs and so on, each have a unique patron Archfey.
I agree that totems make good primal spirits. In true animistic views each part of the world has an epic spirit, so animal, land and sky spirits are abound.
Tyssaklera is in Elves of Evermeet
Really? I just finished re-reading that book a few days ago... do you know where it is in there?
Really? I just finished re-reading that book a few days ago... do you know where it is in there?
Just to be clear this is in the old 2nd-Edition sourcebook Elves of Evermeet, not the Evermeet novel by Elaine. Tyssaklera is referenced on page. 91 under the heading 'Faerie Dragons'.
Just to be clear this is in the old 2nd-Edition sourcebook Elves of Evermeet, not the Evermeet novel by Elaine. Tyssaklera is referenced on page. 91 under the heading 'Faerie Dragons'.
Ahhh, thank you for clearing that up.
There was also a giant rabbit with a pocketwatch (I kid you not) - I'll have to check through Tall Tales of the Wee Folk for more.
Do you mean like a pooka? There was a Twilight Zone episode that had Harvey the six foot tall rabbit. I think he was supposed to be a shapeshifter or something.
There was also a few others in there, including a centaur named Chiron, but thats a bit too Greek-derivitive for my tastes. Maybe I'll go through that again later.
If Gnomes are now fey, shouldn't some of their gods be Archfey?
Also, Hro'nyewachu from Iket Sotha qualifies - 'she' is ANCIENT being that leaves beneath a hill in the Endless wastes, and is venerated by the Lythari.
Then again, I suppose she could just as easily be a primal spirit (although I have no idea what the hell the difference is - sounds like the Gods/primordials thing all over again).
Ascodel and Vaeros are the predecessors of Fearinal. I'd say Morwels second in command rulers of the old eladrin (the arborean outsiders of previous editions) make for good archfey.
Yes, though I don't know who the first one was. Anyway, Ascodels story can be found in the Fiendish Codex I and Vaeros life essence was reborn in Gwynharwyf.
If Gnomes are now fey, shouldn't some of their gods be Archfey?
Maybe some of the lesser of the gnome deities will, instead, become archfey since they aren't all represented in the actual gnomish pantheon anymore.
Also, Hro'nyewachu from Iket Sotha qualifies - 'she' is ANCIENT being that leaves beneath a hill in the Endless wastes, and is venerated by the Lythari.
Then again, I suppose she could just as easily be a primal spirit (although I have no idea what the hell the difference is - sounds like the Gods/primordials thing all over again).
I definitely feel like Hro'nyewachu would be a good candidate for an archfey. I suppose you could make the argument to have her be a primal spirit, but it just doesn't feel right to me. I vote archfey.
The feywild can get a nice chrome flavour by including tinker gnomes as mechanical wizzards. I think even modrons would make good fey. They could be more "organic" and work with tinker gnomes to build and rerig all sorts of bits and bolts of mechanical contraptions. Mechanus might actually be placed over Torils Feywild Lantan.
Whaddaya think?
Some of the smaller pixie-types have flower-connections, but I think they would all be considered 'animal', not mineral or vegetable (which means no techno-Organic lifeforms either.) :P
Although if you wanted to go that route, I would rather see the Meks from the Mystara setting (Mystara has lot of Fey-connections and ceatures) - they look so much cooler then Modrons, IMHO.
Next we'll have Warfogred Fey....
Robo-Faeries?
Edit: Hey!!! I got a great name for the Tinker Gnome Fey - Tinkerbells!
She seems more like a Fey to me, but then again, that would explain Malar's involvement with her...
I suppose that works - if Chauntea = Demeter, then the Earthmother could be more like Gaia (an actual spirit of the land itself, like an UUber-elemental, rather then a "Goddess of the earth").
Come to think of it... she works as a Primordial too..
I suppose she works as whatever you want, since she's always been an enigma - I say go for it.
I've been giving this alot of thought lately, and I'm now leaning on designating the Earthmother (of the Moonshaes) as a primal spirit instead of an archfey. What do you folks think?
thought Big bad Bhaal killed her off long ago.... and if I say Im fine with it, how much of the even biger and badder Retcon affect this??
So... to keep this on-topic, how about a joke? :D
An Archfey, an Archwizard, and an Archlich walk into a McDonalds.......
I've been giving this alot of thought lately, and I'm now leaning on designating the Earthmother (of the Moonshaes) as a primal spirit instead of an archfey. What do you folks think?
primal spirit fits better, IMO
I've been giving this alot of thought lately, and I'm now leaning on designating the Earthmother (of the Moonshaes) as a primal spirit instead of an archfey. What do you folks think?
Definitely a good route. With the druids tied into the Primal power source now it makes sense for them to follow, respect a powerful primal spirit.
I've been giving this alot of thought lately, and I'm now leaning on designating the Earthmother (of the Moonshaes) as a primal spirit instead of an archfey. What do you folks think?
I can go either way on this one. I mean, on the one hand, the Earthmother could very easily be an archfey, as they aren't just restricted to ascended eladrin or fey creatures, but also include arrchfey of bodies of water or specific landmasses. I feel she fits better into the latter camp, personally.
But I definitely think Earthmother could very, very easily be classified as a primal spirit. I'm so torn!
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the Earthmother is as a primal spirit, but
personally that's just an artificial classification, she is fey
unless somethings changed, fey always were spirits, and primal (meaning both ancient and related to nature, distanced from gods)
They originated in the Ethereal (deep), the spirits of raw possibility and magic/the Weave, meaning they are the mediators, in-between the pure spirit and pure matter, balancing concepts and elements, gods and primordials in 4e terms.
The early Prime was their playground/garden and they were becoming more adapted and corporeal while there. Some lost interest in the place as it get more tamed, they left for more chaotic environments. Others bound or even merged with matter, grew into more or less sentient elements of nature (isles, rivers, mountains, sources for Rashemen ''place'' magic or animism, spirit animals, awakened plants ...). The third group lived by the cycles, departing for spiritual worlds like Faerie and eventually returning to the Material Plane many times. Like the eladrin/elf thing.
So what if the Earthmother is an archfey only in the winter, the Faerie is her retreat, the place of rejuvenation.
Before 4e came along, I was toying with the idea of making them Arch-Kami (spirits) - basically Kara-Turs 'Spirits' (Fey) that have ascended to a semi-divine state (4e's Exarchs).
However, they - along with Hro'nyewachu - seem like a cross between an Arch-Fey and an Elemental Lord (Primordial in 4e)... which makes them ideally suited for Primal Spirits! :D
I'd connect that group, that being, and the Earth Mother all together as a group of uber-powerful female Primal Spirts. For all we know, Earth Mother and Hro'nyewachu could both BE Sisters of Serenity (and perhaps Maztica as well - although she might be better as a Primordial).
I've been giving this alot of thought lately, and I'm now leaning on designating the Earthmother (of the Moonshaes) as a primal spirit instead of an archfey. What do you folks think?
Is the feywild supposed to be some sort of reflection of the prime material plane?
If so, I would have difficulty relating the Earthmother to being an archfey.
I see her more as an actual manifestation of the power of Toril, an incarnation of that power. A reflection of the prime material does not seem right in my opinion.
So, for an actual incarnation of the power of Toril, I would say primal spirit.
I guess that is my two cents worth of opinion.
Relkath of the Infinite Branches
Level 32 Solo Brute
Gargantuan Fey Magical Beast (plant)
XP 27000
Initiative +23
Senses Perception +46; low-light vision
Verdant Growth aura 5: An enemy that starts its turn within the aura treats it as difficult terrain
HP 1440; Bloodied 180
AC 44; Fortitude 47, Reflex 43, Will 44
Resist 30 radiant, 20 lightning and thunder Vulnerable 30 fire
Speed 8 (forest walk)
Oak Slam (standard; at-will) Reach 2; +33 vs Fortitude; 4d8 + 10 damage and the target is dazed
Willow Lash (standard; at-will) Ranged 5; +33 vs Reflex; 3d8 + 10 damage and on a successful hit, the target is considered to be grabbed and pulled 2 squares. Relkath can affect up to 4 targets this way.
Fury of the Woodlands (standard; at-will) Relkath uses oak slam against two adjacent enemies.
Yuirwood Warcry (standard; sustain minor, encounter) * Zone Area burst 3 within 20; Relkath awakens the ancient trees to attack his enemies within the zone; +31 vs Armor Class; 3d10+14 damage. Relkath makes new attack rolls when he sustains the zone. Secondary Attacks; +29 vs Armor Class; 3d10+14 damage.
Constricting Vines (minor; at-will) Targets a creature grabbed by Willow Lash; Relkath makes a secondary attack against the target +31 vs Fortitude; 1d10+11 damage. Aftereffect: Target takes ongiong 10 damage (save ends).
Sylvan Jump (move; encounter recharge 5 6) Relkath teleports 5 squares . All enemies affected by his aura before his teleport are immobilized until the end of his next turn.
Alignment: Unaligned Languages: Elven, Common, Draconic, Gnome, Primordial Skills: Intimidate, Insight, Nature
Str 34 (+28) Dex 24 (+23) Wis 29 (+25) Con 30 (+26) Int 26 (+24) Cha 26 (+24)
Verdant Growth aura 5: An enemy that starts its turn within the aura treats it as difficult terrain and is slowed
As of both difficult terrain and the slowed condition enemies in the aura can only walk 1 square. Once adjacent to Relkath they have no change to ever get away from him again, due to his at-will power Willow Lash. If you consider that he can combine this with Oak Slam, which also dazes the enemy, and/or with Constricting Vines, which deals even more damage, melee chars are going to have a really tough time ahead.
Yuirwood Warcry (standard; sustain minor, encounter) * Zone
Area burst 3 within 20; Relkath awakens the ancient trees to attack his enemies within the zone; +31 vs Armor Class; 5d10+14 damage. Relkath makes new attack rolls when he sustains the zone.
If you insist on keeping this a sustain minor power, I recommend decreasing the damage output for the new attacks. Or you change it to sustain standard, but if you ask me less damage might be better.
Constricting Vines (minor; at-will)
Targets a creature grabbed by Willow Lash; Relkath makes a secondary attack against the target +31 vs Fortitude; 3d10+11 damage. Aftereffect: Target takes ongiong 10 damage (save ends).
Off the top of my head I'd say 3d10 + 11 for a minor at-will attack is probably too much.
Segojan being an ancient part of the previous pantheon, so he could easily be an archfey, and Urdlen being one of the more evil, vicious of the archfey.
That makes sense, especially since the animal lords are considered archfey too. So Urdlen could be a corrupted Mole Lord.
Ok, three issues.
As of both difficult terrain and the slowed condition enemies in the aura can only walk 1 square. Once adjacent to Relkath they have no change to ever get away from him again, due to his at-will power Willow Lash. If you consider that he can combine this with Oak Slam, which also dazes the enemy, and/or with Constricting Vines, which deals even more damage, melee chars are going to have a really tough time ahead.
Duly noted, and I'll edit the aura so that it includes only one of the two effects. I didn't really factor in the stacking of difficult terrain and the slowed condition. I'm thinking that just making the squares within his aura difficult terrain would be enough, and fit more with the idea of what I had. I imagined his aura as a sort of area of thick growth that follows him as he moves, causing plants to grow exponentially while near him.
If you insist on keeping this a sustain minor power, I recommend decreasing the damage output for the new attacks. Or you change it to sustain standard, but if you ask me less damage might be better.
I like the idea of dumbing down the damage, he's supposed to be a powerhouse, but not a TPK machine.
Off the top of my head I'd say 3d10 + 11 for a minor at-will attack is probably too much.
I'll check out some of the other high-level baddies to compare the ability too and edit it accordingly.
Like I said, thanks again!! Much appreciated, you've given me some ideas to chew on.
That makes sense, especially since the animal lords are considered archfey too. So Urdlen could be a corrupted Mole Lord.
I like the idea of that...or maybe he's even a corrupted svirfneblin or something...just throwing out where my brain wandered...
Mole lord...hmmmmm
That makes sense, especially since the animal lords are considered archfey too. So Urdlen could be a corrupted Mole Lord.
I thought the animal lords were considered primal spirits?
Although, Urdlen as an arch fey would make sense, due to his being a gnome deity, and gnomes are now fey. But fey or not, I really like your idea of him being a corrupted beast lord of moles.
I thought the animal lords were considered primal spirits?
Although, Urdlen as an arch fey would make sense, due to his being a gnome deity, and gnomes are now fey. But fey or not, I really like your idea of him being a corrupted beast lord of moles.
I think that's something of a gray area there because some of the animal deities that we had in 3e (Nobanion, Magnar the Bear, etc) have become primal spirits. Yet there are definitely some such as the Cat Lord and Monkey King (mentioned in the MoP) who qualify as archfey. I think it all depends on how you want to view things. There's a lot of room for interpretation. I'm not entirely sure what qualifies one for another, but it seems we've got both.
I imagined his aura as a sort of area of thick growth that follows him as he moves, causing plants to grow exponentially while near him.
Yeah, that would be difficult terrain.
Btw, may I present you my intended version of Yuirwood Warcry since I got the impression you misunderstood my suggestion:
Yuirwood Warcry (standard; sustain minor, encounter) * Zone
Area burst 3 within 20; Relkath awakens the ancient trees to attack his enemies within the zone; +31 vs Armor Class; 5d10+14 damage. Relkath makes new attack rolls when he sustains the zone: +29 vs. AC; 3d10+14 damage. ;)
Yeah, that would be difficult terrain.
Btw, may I present you my intended version of Yuirwood Warcry since I got the impression you misunderstood my suggestion:
Yuirwood Warcry (standard; sustain minor, encounter) * Zone
Area burst 3 within 20; Relkath awakens the ancient trees to attack his enemies within the zone; +31 vs Armor Class; 5d10+14 damage. Relkath makes new attack rolls when he sustains the zone: +29 vs. AC; 3d10+14 damage. ;)
Ah! Now I see. The secondary attack from the sustaining of the zone is what you referred to. Got it. I like that much better! I'll edit his stat block to reflect. Thanks Keveras!
Any source information for Karontor out there that you guys know of?
Try http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Karontor