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I was wondering I have never played as entreri in any of my games. What are Artemis's stats and class points. I always thougth he was level 10 fighter, level 4 rouge, and level 1 thief. If yall could tell me what his str,dex, ect. thanks
This is My updated stats for this dude, enjoy.
It includes (in my mind) More accurate weapons.
Artemis Antrari
Male
Human
ROGUE 4
RANGER 1
FIGHTER 12
ASSASSIN 1
Hit dice: 5d6+10 13d10+26 (121 HP)
Init:+9
Speed: 30ft (6 squares)
AC: 22 (Dex+5, Cloak of armor +4, Ring of protection +3) (Touch 18, Flat footed 22)
Base attack: +16/+11/+4/+1
Grapple: +18
Attacks: (main hand): Charons claw (+4 longsword) +19/+14/+7/+4 (1d8+8/ 17x2)
(Off hand): Ruby Pommel dagger (+4 vampiric dagger) +19/+14/+7/+4 (1d4+8/ 17x2)
Space/reach: 5/5
Special attacks: Death attack (fort DC14), Fight with two weapons, Sneak attack 3d6,
Special qualities: Evasion, Favored enemy (human) +1, locate traps,
Poison use, Uncanny dodge,
Saves: Fort +13, Ref 15, Will +8
Abilities: Str 14, Dex 20, Con 15, Int 16, Wis 16, Cha 13
Skills: Balance +14, Bluff +6, Climb +12, Decipher script +6, Diplomacy +5,
Disable device +5, Disguise +15, Escape artist +8, Forgery +6, Gather information +4,
Handle animal +6, Hide +13, Intimidate +6, Jump +12,
Knowledge (local, the north) +6, Listen +8, Move silently +13, Open lock +10,
Slight of hand +13, Ride (horse) +11, Search +8, Sense motive +14, spot +8,
Swim +7, Tumble +13, Use magic device +9, Use rope +12, Wilderness lore +7,
Feats: Blind-fight, Combat reflexes, Dodge, Expertise,
Improved critical(longsword, dagger), Improved init,
Improved two weapon fighting, Mobility, Quick draw,
Spring attack, Weapon focus (longsword, dagger),
Weapon specialization (Dagger, longsword)
CR: 18
Alignment: LE
Height: 5’5”
Posesions: Cloak of armor +4, Ring of protection +3, Cloak of arachnida, Periapt of health, Mwk Thieves tools (disguised as a necklace),
CHARONS CLAW:
+4 Longsword
NE
Communication is empathy.
Can see 120ft darkvision
Cha. and Wis. are 16, int. 10,
Ego: going off of fareunian handbook over artimes I'd say 28, but that wouldnt make that much sense for its power.
Greater Powers:
At will: Ash Wall: 5ft tall by 5ft wide by 1ft thick of floating thick ash. Grants wielder up to full concealment. However opponents can gain concealment as well but not from the wielder of the sword who can see through the ash wall.
At will: Darklight: Makes user invisible to those who are using darkvision to see wielder.
Festering wounds: Any enemy struck by the blade must make a fortitude DC 25 or contract Deathsong. Incubation 1 day minus a d8 to str,dex, and con every day until the disease is cured. BVD pg30
If the wielder fails a will test against the blades ego then suffers from Melting fury, minus a d4 to str., dex., and con., every round until the wielder can make an will save vs. its ego to let go of the sword.
Gauntlet of Energy absorbtion: Can absorb magical or psionic energy at a max rate of 30 pts of damage worth a round anything else thats left the user can then make the appropriate save vs. the remainding damage.
Also enables the the user to wield the blade w/o having to make ego tests.
RUBY POMMEL DAGGER
+4 Vampiric dagger
As +4 dagger with the additional affects:
1 day Any creature (excluding constructs) struck with the dagger must make a fortitude save (DC 17) Or lose an additional 2d4 hit points, which are Immediately added to the
Wielders hit point total, Any Hit points above the wielders normal hit point
Total are considered “Temporary Hit points” All effects of this weapon on the wielder
Disappear after 1 hour.
P.E.A.C.H.
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In a game supposedly set in a 'generic D&D world', the DM has namedropped him and several other people who I haven't heard of who I'm guessing are FR novel cognoscenti (which just makes me wish he'd just say 'It's in the Realms' so I know what's legal and what isn't!!).
But anyway, given that he's shown distinctive fanboy elements (the game sometimes seems to exist solely so he can drop names and show off NPCs rather than the PCs doing anything), I'm curious if an official listing of AE's stats exists anywhere in print? If it does come down to a slapdown, I want to be sure that we win or lose fair and square.
"Well, I don't have his stats, so I can't really run the fight ..."
"Here ya go."
So I would put him at rogue4/ranger2/fighter12.
In 3.5, I would probably drop the 1 lv of assassin(since he never uses the death attack at all), and put another lv in ranger. In 3.0, 1 lv of ranger gave TWF as a bonus feat, while in 3.5, it was revised to the 2nd lv of ranger to prevent front-loading. This would allow him to preserve his feat block.
So I would put him at rogue4/ranger2/fighter12.
That sounds ... kinda painful.
Has anything official been printed, though?
That sounds ... kinda painful.
Has anything official been printed, though?
On the D&D stats side of his D&D Miniatures card it list Artmeis has a rog4/rgr1/ftr12/asn1
RUBY POMMEL DAGGER
+4 Vampiric dagger
As +4 dagger with the additional affects:
Any living creature struck with the dagger must make a fortitude save (DC 17)
Or lose an additional 2d4 hit points, which are Immediately added to the
Wielders hit point total, Any Hit points above the wielders normal hit point
Total are considered “Temporary Hit points” All effects of this weapon on the wielder
Disappear after 1 hour.
I would make it do vampiric touch 1/day with a successful sneak attack that explains why it never hit drizzt but would explain why it hits anyone who is surprized by it.
The HP are premenate like vampire touch, Regis recovered using it and never shrunk down
And it hurts undead as well due to draining the shade (and doing something to Enteri).
Anyway not too bad for under an hour, eh?
his equipment is far superior to drizzt...fighter levels > ranger levels..his overall levels are > than the elf's.
How is it he loses to that pipsqueek exactly?
hmm...Artemis seems to be bordering on epic level. I wouldn't be surprised if his 3.5 conversion bumps him to 19 level.
his equipment is far superior to drizzt...fighter levels > ranger levels..his overall levels are > than the elf's.
How is it he loses to that pipsqueek exactly?
In 2e, he had about 22 character levels. (7Thief/15Fighter)
Maybe I'll work on him (Maybe drizzt too) some tomorrow....
And it hurts undead as well due to draining the shade (and doing something to Enteri).
Shade are outsiders, not undead.;)
i'd say it drains levels not hit points, like a vampire does
and drizzt wins cuz he rolls better
and he never fought entreri when he had Charon Claw
actually, the dagger to me seems more powerful than that
i'd say it drains levels not hit points, like a vampire does
and drizzt wins cuz he rolls better
and he never fought entreri when he had Charon Claw
Granted, Charon's Claw would be useful for Entreri, but those walls of ash would be negated. Can anyone say Darkness, 10' Radius?
I knew you could... :P
Granted, Charon's Claw would be useful for Entreri, but those walls of ash would be negated. Can anyone say Darkness, 10' Radius?
I knew you could... :P
darkness and clouds of ash are both inconsequential seeing as both characters have the 'blind fight' feat. What should be more of a factor is that Artemis's weapons are both +4 (one is a Netheril artifact) while Drizzt's are +2and 3...and I'm pretty certain that Scimitars can't be 'weapon finessed' with a dexterity modifier since they are too big. The largest weapons that can be finessed are rapiers.
But if you want to get technical, it seems he is a fighter 10/ barbarian 1/ ranger 5 of Mielikki... though I personally don't think this build does justice.
And then there is the fact that he uses chainmail when the "dual wield" ranger feat clearly says that you must wear light armor in order for "dual wield" to work...chainmail is medium armor.
And then there is the fact that he uses chainmail when the "dual wield" ranger feat clearly says that you must wear light armor in order for "dual wield" to work...chainmail is medium armor.
Drizzt wears masterwork mithril armor. Mithril chainmail counts as light armor.
Drizzt wears masterwork mithril armor. Mithril chainmail counts as light armor.
Drizzt doesn't wear that armour now. He swapped it for Adnon's armour in The Hunter's Blade trilogy.
Drizzt doesn't wear that armour now. He swapped it for Adnon's armour in The Hunter's Blade trilogy.
Right. Now he's wearing armor made of enchanted spidersilk. All the better.
This is My updated stats for this dude, enjoy.
It includes (in my mind) More accurate weapons.
AC: 22 (Dex+5, Cloak of armor +4, Ring of protection +3) (Touch 18, Flat footed 22)
P.E.A.C.H.
AC 22 at level 18? A CR 18 meleer would slaughter him in one round. That is the AC of a 5th level character.
darkness and clouds of ash are both inconsequential seeing as both characters have the 'blind fight' feat. What should be more of a factor is that Artemis's weapons are both +4 (one is a Netheril artifact) while Drizzt's are +2and 3...and I'm pretty certain that Scimitars can't be 'weapon finessed' with a dexterity modifier since they are too big. The largest weapons that can be finessed are rapiers.
They changed the scimitars, too?
Twinkle was a +5 Defender, while Icingdeath was a +3 Frostbrand. Why, oh why, did they change them?
Which is the stupidest thing I've heard for a long time, but anyway...
I think someone said it was to fit in with the 3E NPC wealth rules. Apparently letting Drizzt keep his weapons with their former powers breached this rule. So they underpowered them.
Which is the stupidest thing I've heard for a long time, but anyway...
Right. And a +4 Artifact weapon that comes with a super-duper glove for an NPC of comparable level is balanced...
Right. And a +4 Artifact weapon that comes with a super-duper glove for an NPC of comparable level is balanced...
Since when has Charon's Claw been officially statted as a +4 weapon? It hasn't. No doubt when it is statted, it will end up being powered down to reflect the ridiculous wealth rules.
After all, Entreri's dagger in the novels was a decidely lethal weapon, but in the rulebooks it's been powered down.
Also, why would the Shadowvar have sent someone to retrieve a low level magical item...
I have no doubt that Charon's Claw is of a higher quality and enchantment than either of Drizzt's weapons.
And Netheril only fell 1,500 or so years ago.
The majority of Netherese artifacts were quasimagical, in the fact that they didn't have any power outside of the radii of their mythallars.
And Netheril only fell 1,500 or so years ago.
it actually fell 1700 years ago, i was wrong...
but the fact still remains that Charon's Claw is one of the rare Netherese artifacts that was not Quasi magical, meaning it either predates the Mythalars or was created in Netherils Silver age outside the influence of the Mythalars.
Its just speculation but I bet the thing was created by a Lich or Necromancer who accidently got trapped in the blade.
Well, it's one theory...
Also, too, why would a magical sword created by the Netherese be more potent "just because" than, say, a sword created by the elves? Twinkle, for instance, was given to Drizzt by Malchor Harpell (in the 'Halfling's Gem') who said that the sword was "forged by the elves of a past age", and the other text (which I will not quote, for fear I'll get in trouble) denotes that it was forged with some pretty hefty and powerful magic (stars, moon, etc). And, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the elves supposed to be kinda like the "godfathers of magic" for humans in Faerun? So I guess I'm saying that if you start throwing around the word "artifact" and "most powerful sword ever" to describe a really old and powerful sword, then there are others who might want to get in line and apply for that "Artifact status"...and then things would REALLY get out of hand!
I would agree that Charon's Claw is a very powerful weapon, probably +3 or +4. I don't agree, however, that it is an actual Artifact, like the Staff of the Magi or the Book of Vile Darkness. I think that Salvatore used the word "artifact" to denote that the weapon was very old, from an ancient empire and/or past age, and NOT that it was a singuarly powerful item above and beyond a "regular" magic item.
Also, too, why would a magical sword created by the Netherese be more potent "just because" than, say, a sword created by the elves? Twinkle, for instance, was given to Drizzt by Malchor Harpell (in the 'Halfling's Gem') who said that the sword was "forged by the elves of a past age", and the other text (which I will not quote, for fear I'll get in trouble) denotes that it was forged with some pretty hefty and powerful magic (stars, moon, etc). And, correct me if I'm wrong, aren't the elves supposed to be kinda like the "godfathers of magic" for humans in Faerun? So I guess I'm saying that if you start throwing around the word "artifact" and "most powerful sword ever" to describe a really old and powerful sword, then there are others who might want to get in line and apply for that "Artifact status"...and then things would REALLY get out of hand!
CC is not the most powerful sword ever obviously...but Netherese Magic > Elven Magic
the Netherese reached a level were they could bind gods...elves just have pointy ears.
CC is not the most powerful sword ever obviously...but Netherese Magic > Elven Magic
the Netherese reached a level were they could bind gods...elves just have pointy ears.
Though I hold no love for the elves, I would disagree with that "elves just have pointy ears" remark. Elven High Magic was nor is anything to scoff at, and I would hazard to say that it is at least in the same general ballpark as Netherese magic. Not the same, certainly, and I'm sure that the Netherese MIGHT have surpased the elves for a time. ACTUALLY, they did...and look where that one great attempt got them!
Whether Netherese magic is more powerful than Elven magic is neither here nor there when discussing how powerful a certain weapon might be. No one rates kobolds very highly but give one enough skill at weapon forging and the right equipment and knowledge and he could forge an epic weapon.
My point exactly. Just because a certain civilization attained such a height does not necessarily mean that all of their creations and crafts ALSO attained the same height. Does every magic item that the Netherese craeted able to bind the Gods? Or is every magic item created by the elves long ago able to create a Mythal? And if you are to label Charon's Claw as an Artifact simply because it was created by the Netherese, then I counter to say that Twinkle, which was created by powerful and old Elven magic, might also be able to attain that "artifact status".
In my opinion I feel that neither sword is an Artifact, though they are still very old and powerful magic weapons. And that's all they SHOULD be.
I'm no fanboy...and I've never even read a DnD book, but to me it seems that Artemis' new sword holds more power & mystery than either one of Drizzt's current blades.
Ultimately thats not what really matters however...Artemis could have a +6 diety weapon, but since he is a villain he is destined to lose against the hero, despite being a higher level character and having better equipment.
CC is not the most powerful sword ever obviously...but Netherese Magic > Elven Magic
the Netherese reached a level were they could bind gods...elves just have pointy ears.
Actually, I don't think Netheril ever surpassed elven high magic. Sure it was great but elven high magic sundered an entire continent, destroyed entire civilizations, and caused the most powerful race on the planet to go insane time after time.
Karsus' binding of Mystryl might have been the start of when Netherese magic began to surpass elven high magic, had he not destroyed all of Netheril then.
i think you need to read more about drizzt. cause he got all of his skill from fighting in the underdark and back there he was just using adimantine scimatars so even if drizzt was evil he would still kick some tail, and i think that drizzt's swords could be just as powerful as artemis' they just dont need to cause drizzt is a better fighter thats the bottom line.
Actually if you compare their official stats, you'll se that Entreri is a better fighter.
But yes, Drizzt is the better fighter of the two going by the novels. But this thread was asking about Entreri's stats. As characters in novels don't have stats, I'm going by what's in the official rulebooks.
Rogue 8/assassin 8/ fighter 4
And Charons claw is an artifact you will most likely have to make for yourself.....as well as the vampiric dagger. I would give the vampiric dagger an ability close to a vampires blood drain....and charons claw will take alot of thought.
I know I would consider Artemis a very high level assassin. And in no way would I place his fighter levels above his rogue levels.
They were already higher in 2e. In Villains' Lorebook he's listed as a dual-classed Thief/Fighter with Fighter being about 3 levels above.
Ranger 6/Fighter 8/Barbarian 1/Rogue 2/Dervish 1.
Personally, I think that's pretty close to how he's represented in the books. There's also new stats for his equipment:
Twinkle: +4 defending scimitar, glows brightly enough to fill a 20-foot radius.
Icingdeath: +2 evil outsider bane frost scimitar, grants the wielder fire resistance 10, and is intellegent (Int 10, Wis 15, Cha 15) with the special purpose of destroying evil outsiders.
I'd buy that. If you go off of this updated Drizzt and figure Entreri is of comparable skill, you might be able to figure more appropriate stats for an updated Entreri. I haven't read the last two books in the Sellswords trilogy, so I'm not sure just how much like a shade he is to give him the appropriate powers.
Shade are outsiders, not undead.;)
Yeah did that whole draining the shade incident have the side effect of making him a Shade? Dose Entrari now have the Shade template?
Yeah did that whole draining the shade incident have the side effect of making him a Shade? Dose Entrari now have the Shade template?
It isn't definitive, no, but there are signs that he MIGHT have gotten some kind of "shadey" template. Probably something that will be explored in future novels...
Charon's Claw is not of Netherese origin
Drizzit and Art are equal in fighting skills, the battle in the crystal shard drizzit had the advantage, art was getting older, and slower, the novel made that clear, if you remember later charon's claw gave it's previous owner a youthful strenght, what if any youthfull ability it gave to art is unknown, and even later I assume the dagger drain on that shade most likely restored art's youth as well
now I believe artemis is back to his old/new self and has a more of his old spring in his fighting ability again
artemis original stats unique back in the 1e days he was listed as a fighter7/assassin13
it also noted that artemis had a perfect hand/eye coordination that made it possible for him to use a weapon in each hand with NO penalty at all
also artemis and drizzt both use to have a special lethal killing skill that worked like this: on a hit of 5 or more than was needed to hit an opponent they did double damage, and had a base 10%, with a +/- 3% per level difference of instantly killing there foe, it was these type of skill that made them the realms deadliest melee fighters
also originally artemis got famous as a merc leader, his legendary skills drew the attention of a pasha who had the best assassins, thiefs, and warrior train artemis to become deadliest skilled killer in the land, under his control of course
Rogue 4/Fighter 8/Ranger 2/Assassin 6
I figure a level 20 Entreri is formidable enough to please everyone. He's got a BAB of +17, a sneak attack of +5d6, death attack Fort save DC of 19, evasion, uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge, 8 character feats, 1 feat for being human, 5 Fighter feats, and Track and Two-Weapon Fighting from his Ranger levels.
How does that sound for the most deadly assassin in Faerûn?
Actually, in Drizzt's current write up (accordin to Candlekeep which is maintained by Ed Greenwood and various others),
Drizzt's most current writeup is in the 3.0 FRCS. To convert to 3.5, do some math (pretty easy. Add 10 levels of fighter, 1 of barbarian, and 5 of ranger to a drow, and choose a feat selection that best expresses his abilities in-novel). Counting is always important. Candlekeep, while a vast library of RealmsLore, is NOT 'maintained' by Ed Greenwood. It is the work of dedicated lovers of FR. Ed, most fortunately, has graced the place with true RealmsLore..
How's about this for Entreri:
Rogue 4/Fighter 8/Ranger 2/Assassin 6
I figure a level 20 Entreri is formidable enough to please everyone. He's got a BAB of +17, a sneak attack of +5d6, death attack Fort save DC of 19, evasion, uncanny dodge and improved uncanny dodge, 8 character feats, 1 feat for being human, 5 Fighter feats, and Track and Two-Weapon Fighting from his Ranger levels.
How does that sound for the most deadly assassin in Faerûn?
Sounds slightly more powerful then he should be.
Drizzt's most current writeup is in the 3.0 FRCS. To convert to 3.5, do some math (pretty easy. Add 10 levels of fighter, 1 of barbarian, and 5 of ranger to a drow, and choose a feat selection that best expresses his abilities in-novel). Counting is always important. Candlekeep, while a vast library of RealmsLore, is NOT 'maintained' by Ed Greenwood. It is the work of dedicated lovers of FR. Ed, most fortunately, has graced the place with true RealmsLore..
Ok, fair enough, if I am incorrect about Mr. Greenwood's involvement, than I admit so. My thanks to Karsus the Mad for correcting me. But, none the less, I do feel that that particular write-up does mirror his abilities. Though not exact, it is in my opinion, close. Take that with a grain of salt though. As Drizzt's abilities, skills, and fighting prowess will more than likely never be properly duplicated.
Once again though, my thanks to Karsus the Mad for the correction. :D
I have done his write-up here as well as many others of Mr Salvatore's, with the feedbck fomr many of the people on these boards. Hope you like them.
but you cant go by offical stats cause the officals didn't create either of them. the only one who can "officially" say that one is better than the other is salvatore. i'm just posting my opinions and inturpritations of his books. and if you read the servant of the shard entreri only beat drizzt cause of a spell. and he used that cause he was loosing.
Not to but in on the conversation, but the incident you're talking about happened in "The Silent Blade." not "The Servant of the Shard." Silent Blade is the first book in the series, and Jarlaxle makes Drizzt and Artemis fight so Artemis can concentrate on the tasks for Bregan Dearth and the Basadoni Guild.
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Is Entreri even evil anymore?? I mean becasue he really didn't seem it at the end of the road of the patriarch. I think he might be N now.
I always thought that Entreri should have more than 1 level in Assassin. At least level 5 assassin.
He doesn't tend to use his death attack ability much, preferring instead to beat them in melee. This is what makes him one of the deadliest assassins in Faerun, he can kill targets that would ordinarily be immune to poisoin, instant death etc.
In other words, a fighter.
Mostly yes, but his varity of skills separates him from other fighters. Skilled at infiltration, disguise, tracking and getting information out of people Artemis is more like a bounty hunter.
In fact he was originally statted as a Fighter/assassin, which included about 7 levels in assassin. However when 2nd ed came out they had decided to axe the assassin class. TSR asked Salvatore to kill off Artemis as his class was to become obsolete. RAS felt that an interesting character was developing in Entreri and said that Artemis was a Fighter/rogue who killed for money, therefore he didn't need to be of the assassin class. You can see this change in the books as the mention of Artemis as an assassin drops off for awhile.
With the arrival of 3.0 he was firmly established as a Fighter/Rogue and given only one level in assassin to represent his proffession, if nothing else.
....and so goes the tale of Artemis Entreri's life as an assassin.
I think NPC's like Drizzt and Artemis aren't bound to the normal rules... If you want to put them in your adventure, you may create stats according to their roles in the game...
Technically, if it is your campaign, none of the characters are bound by their normal rules. If you are DM, its your call what to do with everything
what armor does he where? I'm thinking leather but I want everyone's oppinion.
-Before I answer the question, how and where the hell did you find this thread?
Human male 11th-level thief/15thlevel
fighter
ARMOR CLASS: -2 (-6)
MOVE: 12
HIT POINTS: 107
THAC0: 5
NO. OF ATTACKS: 5
ALIGNMENT: Lawful evil
STR 13, DEX 18, CON 15, INT 16, WIS 15, CHA 13
Allies/Companions: Pasha Pook and the thieves
and assassins guilds of Calimport. At various times in
his past Artemis has also temporarily worked with the
following persons: Sydney, Jierdan (whom he later
killed), and Bok of the Arcane Brotherhood, Jarlaxle
Artemis is a tactical master, taking every advantage
offered him and seeking to create more. He'll
often do this by taunting his foe into anger and mistakes.
Artemis is also a very fast learner. If he observes
a particular combat maneuver even a few
times, he can add it to his own deadly repertoire.
Combat/Tactics: Artemis is a consummate warrior,
combining his ambidexterity, thieving training,
and warrior's weapon skills to be one of the most
dangerous swordsmen in the Realms. Few men indeed
could have so repeatedly crossed blades with
Drizzt Do'Urden and lived to tell of it.
Magical Items: +4 Cloak of protection, +4 dagger,
defender (life-stealer), +2 ring of protection, and a
sword of wounding +1 (sometimes referred to as a
saber).
Equipment: Artemis has standard adventuring
gear, which in his case includes thieving tools, spare
weapons and clothes, rope, and so on.
Nonweapon Proficiencies: Blind-fighting, direction
sense, disguise, endurance, rope use, survival
(northern wilderness and desert), tightrope walking,
tracking; 1 open.
Weapons of Proficiency: Artemis is specialized in
the two-weapon style and has the ambidexterity proficiency
(both from the Complete Fighter's Handbook
[CFH]). His other proficiencies are short bow, light
crossbow, dagger (thrown and wielded), rapier
(CFH), sling, staff, long sword, short sword; 2 open.
Thieving Abilities: PP 80%; OL 65%; F/RT 50%;
MS 99%; HS 90%; DN 55%; CW 99%; RL 20%;
SU 75%.
Stats from the Villian Lorebook:
-Those stats are, asides for being 2e, very, very out of date.
Yeah. Updated stats can be found in the 3E FRCS.
-And, even those, are a bit out of date, though, those are the most up to date official stats there are.
-And, even those, are a bit out of date, though...
Too true.
darkness and clouds of ash are both inconsequential seeing as both characters have the 'blind fight' feat. What should be more of a factor is that Artemis's weapons are both +4 (one is a Netheril artifact) while Drizzt's are +2and 3...and I'm pretty certain that Scimitars can't be 'weapon finessed' with a dexterity modifier since they are too big. The largest weapons that can be finessed are rapiers.
Just thought I'd let it be known that due to some liberties taken by the fantastic gaming/writers here at Wizards and Co., Drizzt has a simular ability as a dervish (Slashing Blades; Comp. War), being capable to use scimitar as a light weapon. I think they chalked it up to drow heritage.
F/RT 50%
-I don't know 2e, but what does that stand for? It immediatly jumped out at me, for obvious reasons.
-Oh, and I saw that quote from Raging_Bo...
-Well, anyway, Darkvision would not be effective against the ash cloud created by Artemis Entreri's weapon...Ash is composed of fine particles, which provide "cover", so to speak, for those within the cloud. Darkvision isn't X-Ray vision.
? Or would the fanbase not allow logic to prevail? All though humans don't live as long, it's always great to see some 40 year old wizard as powerful as a 700 year old elf. (Elminster is proof of long living humans
)In theory, would you say if Artemis was as old as drizzt (Saying that Drizzt is well over hundred by now), he would surpass him in nearly everway through the skills of combat
-Drizzt was born in 1297 DR. The current date is 1375 DR. This makes Drizzt 78. We no longer know what effects aging will have on Entreri, as he is no longer fully Human. So, that said, your question will have to wait until more information is shed on Entreri's state- and, this is extremely unlikely to be published.
Or would the fanbase not allow logic to prevail? All though humans don't live as long, it's always great to see some 40 year old wizard as powerful as a 700 year old elf.
-Explanations for this are already provided for, in D&D. Humans have short lifespans, meaning that they work at a feaver pitch to accumulate magic, while Elves and other long-lived creatures don't bust their asses so hard to accumulate magic so fast. An analogy: Humans knock back shots of vodka to get drunk, while Elves and others slowly sip and enjoy wine.
(Elminster is proof of long living humans
-Elminster has Elven blood within him, though very faint and diluted, and is a Chosen of Mystra, which grants immortality, such that one cannot die from old age, so he is hardly an example of an ordinary Human.
-Explanations for this are already provided for, in D&D. Humans have short lifespans, meaning that they work at a feaver pitch to accumulate magic, while Elves and other long-lived creatures don't bust their asses so hard to accumulate magic so fast. An analogy: Humans knock back shots of vodka to get drunk, while Elves and others slowly sip and enjoy wine.
Incorrect. Humans in DnD get a extra feat each level. It has nothing to do with less desire. And if you want to get technical, I can name a few novels of elves getting quite upset at the fact of humans surpassing that of elven teachings in a 4th of the time.
Oh, and jarlaxel's last words to his fellow Drow ally were something along the lines of: "How long will you be on the surface?-----Perhaps as long as a humans lifespan..maybe a bit more". No where in any novel that I have read, did it imply anything other than Artemis having a gift and being more than a human.
Incorrect. Humans in DnD get a extra feat each level. It has nothing to do with less desire. And if you want to get technical, I can name a few novels of elves getting quite upset at the fact of humans surpassing that of elven teachings in a 4th of the time.
-Yes, this one feat, and well as the extra skill points at first level, and the extra one(?) after first level are represenative of Humanity's ability to quickly grasp and understand a concept, be it magic, swordplay, knowledge, whatever it is. Being that Humans have a limited lifespan, contained in most cases to within a three-fourths of a century or so, the drive for mastery is at a much more rapid pace than that of longer lived races, who abhor the single-minded drive for power that Humans have. Elves, for instance, can spend a century or more on a single task, such as sculpting. A certain style of Elven sculpting involves allowing the elements to change the stone. Results only manifest after a long period of time. That kind of mindset pervades Elven culture. Remember, Elves do not reach maturity until the age 100 or so. Those Elves who amass power at a rapid rate are not given consideration for Selu'Taar training, if the individual in question is a magician, and instead, are watched with concern, and sometimes "interventions"- for a lack of better words- are staged.
Oh, and jarlaxel's last words to his fellow Drow ally were something along the lines of: "How long will you be on the surface?-----Perhaps as long as a humans lifespan..maybe a bit more". No where in any novel that I have read, did it imply anything other than Artemis having a gift and being more than a human.
-You are a bit behind, then. The short story entitled "That Funny Sword", or something to that effect, in the short story anthology Realms of Shadow, changes Entreri's physiology, when he absorbs the essence of a Shade via his vampiric dagger. Before hand, it was mentioned numerous times that Entreri felt that age was beginning to catch up with him. In the short story in which his physiology was altered, and all subsequent stories (Books II and II of The Sellswords trilogy) he mentioned that he no longer felt that his body was beginning to slow, and that he felt youthful again. Being as that we have no clear definition of what exatly happened to Entreri, he has either obtained the ability to live past the normal Human lifespan, be it a little bit, or a lot, or simply has simply become "refreshed"- meaning he no longer feels the effects of aging- but is still contained to that three-fourths of a century that Humans life for.
-Yes, this one feat, and well as the extra skill points at first level, and the extra one(?) after first level are represenative of Humanity's ability to quickly grasp and understand a concept, be it magic, swordplay, knowledge, whatever it is. Being that Humans have a limited lifespan, contained in most cases to within a three-fourths of a century or so, the drive for mastery is at a much more rapid pace than that of longer lived races, who abhor the single-minded drive for power that Humans have. Elves, for instance, can spend a century or more on a single task, such as sculpting. A certain style of Elven sculpting involves allowing the elements to change the stone. Results only manifest after a long period of time. That kind of mindset pervades Elven culture. Remember, Elves do not reach maturity until the age 100 or so. Those Elves who amass power at a rapid rate are not given consideration for Selu'Taar training, if the individual in question is a magician, and instead, are watched with concern, and sometimes "interventions"- for a lack of better words- are staged.
Yeah dude, elves are a pitiful race. Taking longer to learn their abc's. I'd say that's a little sad really. No wonder they perfer bows to stay out of harms way..they are pansies.
Btw, would you be so kind to answer me? Artemis would or would not succeed Drizzt if they were at the same age? In your own opinion please, I don't want you to get technical with statistics here from the DnD handbook.
Yeah dude, elves are a pitiful race. Taking longer to learn their abc's. I'd say that's a little sad really. No wonder they perfer bows to stay out of harms way..they are pansies.
-If only they had guns, right? ;)
-If only they had guns, right? ;)
But they don't. I can see elves using bows over a nice colt .45 because they are stubborn like that. Also, can you assume how long the enginering learning would take for them to catch up with other races?
-Also, I had edited a post to ask another question, but it would seem you replied before I had a chance to fully re-write a question. So thus-
Btw, would you be so kind to answer me? Artemis would or would not succeed Drizzt if they were at the same age? In your own opinion please, I don't want you to get technical with statistics here from the DnD handbook.
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[i]Btw, would you be so kind to answer me? Artemis would or would not succeed Drizzt if they were at the same age?
-There are too many variables to give an answer. Is Drizzt a Human? Is Entreri a Drow? What do you mean by succeed? In combat? Again, there are too many variables? Are they fighting each other head-to-head? Does Entreri have a group of...I don't know, Navy SEALS with him? Does Drizzt have allies in the area? And so on and so forth...
In your own opinion please, I don't want you to get technical with statistics here from the DnD handbook.
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-Anything that is said is going to unavoidably be in D&D terms, being as that this is a D&D Messageboard. Consult the SRD for relevant terms; it's free.
-There are too many variables to give an answer. Is Drizzt a Human? Is Entreri a Drow? What do you mean by succeed? In combat? Again, there are too many variables? Are they fighting each other head-to-head? Does Entreri have a group of...I don't know, Navy SEALS with him? Does Drizzt have allies in the area? And so on and so forth...
-Anything that is said is going to unavoidably be in D&D terms, being as that this is a D&D Messageboard. Consult the SRD for relevant terms; it's free.
So, if Artemis is Drizzt's rival...and he's 40 to 70, could you not safely say that someone of Entreri's combat skill level at the age of 70 (without having human aging a problem of course) surpassing Drizzt being 70 as well? It's like saying: You have a 12 year old who can do quantim physics. Then this 30 year old just gets done learning it as well. I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure I'd have my money on the 12 year old when he was 30 being better at the study than the 30 year old was at the time when he was still 30. You get me yet?
So, if Artemis is Drizzt's rival...and he's 40 to 70, could you not safely say that someone of Entreri's combat skill level at the age of 70 (without having human aging a problem of course) surpassing Drizzt being 70 as well?
-No, because in the time that Entreri has to hone his skills, so does Drizzt. They have more-or-less buried the hatchet, anyway.
It's like saying: You have a 12 year old who can do quantim physics. Then this 30 year old just gets done learning it as well. I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure I'd have my money on the 12 year old when he was 30 being better at the study than the 30 year old was at the time when he was still 30. You get me yet?
-Age is in no way an indicator of where one's intelligence "tops out". The twelve year old in question can be a prodigy, sure, but might reach his "maximum capacity" to retain knowledge at age 13, whereas this does not happen to the thirty year old in question for another twenty years, giving him two more decades to learn.
-The clear cut answer that you are looking for does not exist, especially not in the format that you want it. You should know this by now.
You should know this by now.
What the hell is that suppose to mean?
"What-if" questions like the one you asked can't really be answered, only speculated about.
We can always give our "speculation" then, can't we? There's nothing wrong with giving a taste with what you can't have. But, since you felt the need to intervene yourself indirectly, would you be so kind as to give your opinion? (Assuming you've read the Drizzt/Artenis novels)
my guess is just basic leather
WHAT ARMOR DOES HE WHERE!!!!!!!!
my guess is just basic leather
None.
None.
He wears sunglasses at night. The sun never sets for badasses.
He will always win his battles(even against beings who could literally destroy him with a thought).
That fight with Errtu in the Crystal Shard immediately springs to mind. Oh boy, how fun that one was
That fight with Errtu in the Crystal Shard immediately springs to mind. Oh boy, how fun that one was
Well in Drizzts defense, That battle was simply Errtu under estimating his opponent and again luck.
Well in Drizzts defense, That battle was simply Errtu under estimating his opponent and again luck.
I suppose. Although in the back of any demon's mind is the favored tactic: Kill without hesitation.
There was obviously some "author's convinience" involved, but not so much in the actual fight. It was more a combination of catching him off-balance from that bluff (in D&D rules, it might be kinda like a feint), and the luck that he happened to find Icingdeath imediately beforehand.
Personally, I think Icingdeath should be more powerful than Twinkle. Twinkle doesn't have any real powers, aside from the pretty glow, Icingdeath may very well be just as old (it may not, but there's some circumstantial evidence at least), and Icingdeath is at least semi-sentient. Just look at how powerful the other sentient weapons in the series are! And at least in some circumstances (ie, when fighting demons or fire elementals for example) Icingdeath actually performs better than Artemis and Catti's swords.
Artemis Entreri
Male Human
Rog 4/Rgr 1/Ftr 12/Asn 1
CR 18
Meduim-size Humanoid
HD 4d6+8 plus 1d10+2 plus 12d10+24 plus 1d6+2
Hp 121
Init +9
Spd 30 ft
AC 22 (Touch 18, Flat-footed 22)
Atk +20/+15/+10/+5 melee (1d8+7/17-20 plus wounding, +3 Longsword of Wounding) and +21/+16 melee (1d4+7/17-20. +4 Defending dagger)
SA Death attack )fort DC 14), fight with two weapons, sneak attack +3d6
SQ Evasion, Favored Enemy (human +1), locate traps, poison use, uncanny dodge (dex bonus to AC)
AL LE
SV Fort +13, Ref +15, Will +8
Str 14, Dex 20, COn 15, Int 16, Wis 16, Cha 13
Height 5 ft 5 in
Skills Balance +14, Bluff +6, Climb +12, Decipher Script +6, Diplomacy +5, Disable Device +5, Disguise +9, Escape Artist +8, Forgery +6, Gather Information +4, Handle Animal +6, Hide +13, Intimidate +6, Intuit Direction +6, Jump +12, Knowledge (Sword Coast local) +6, Listen +8, Move Silently +13, Open Lock +10, Pick Pocket +13, Read Lips +6, Ride (horse) +11, Search +8, Sense Motive+8, Spot +8, Swim +7, Tumble +13, Use Magic Device +9, Use Rope +12, Wilderness Lore +7
Feats: Blind Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Expertise, Improved Critical (dagger), Improved Critical (longsword), Improved Initiative, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Mobility, Quick Draw, Spring Attack, Track, Weapon Focus (dagger), Weapon Focus (longsword), Weapon Specialization (dagger), Weapon Specialization (longsword)
Spells Prepared (1): 1st - detect poison
Possessions: +3 Longsword of wounding, +4 defending dagger, cloak of armor +4 (as bracers of armor), ring of protection +3, cloak of arachnida, periapt of health
Drizzt Do'Urden
Male drow
Ftr 10/Bbn 1/Rgr 5 of Mielikki
CR 18
Medium-size humanoid (elf)
HD 10d10+20 plus 1d12+2 plus 5d10+10
Hp 124
Init +9
Spd 40 ft
AC 23 (touch 14, flat-footed 19)
Atk +17/+12/+7/+2 Melee (1d6+6 plus 1d6 cold/18-20, +3 frost scimitar), +16/+11 melee (1d6+4/18-20, +2 defending scimitar)
SQ Drow traits, favored enemy (goblins +2, magical beasts +1), light blindness, rage, spell-like abilities, SR 27
AL CG
SC Fort +15, Ref +9, Will +7
Str 13, Dex 20, Con 15, Int 17, Wis 17, Cha 14
Height 5 ft 4 in
Skills Climb +8, Handle Animal +9, Hide +13, Intuit Direction +5, Jump +8, Knowledge (nature) +5, Listen +20, Move Silently +15, Ride (horse) +7, Search +13, Spot +15, Use Rope +7, Wilderness Lore +8
Feats Ambidexterity, Blind-Fight, Combat Reflexes, Dodge, Improved Initiative, Improved Two-Weapon Fighting, Mobility, Quick Draw, Track, Twin Sword Style, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus (scimitar), Weapon Specialization (scimitar)
Spells Prepared (1; base DC = 14): 1 - detect animals or plants
Possessions: +4 mithral chainmail, Icingdeath (+3 frost scimitar), Twinkle (+2 defending scimitar), figurine of wondrous power: onyx panther (name guenhwyvar)
Onyx Panther: This magical figurine summons the black panther Guenhwyvar, a friend and loyal companion to Drizzt. She can be summoned every other day for a period of 6 hours. If slain, she reverts to her figurine form and cannot be summoned for 48 hours. Guen understands common and Undercommon and has the following statistics:
Guenhwyvar: Female panther
CR 5
Medium-size animal
HD 6d8+12
Hp 39
Init +4
Spd 40 ft, climb 20 ft
AC 15 (touch 14, flat-footed 11)
Atk +8 melee (1d6+3 bite), +6 melee (1d3+1, 2 claws)
SA Pounce, improved grab, rake 1d3+1
SQ Low-light vision, scent
AL N
SV Fort +7, Ref +9, Will +3
Str 16, Dex 19, Con 15, Int 6, Wis 12, Cha 8
Skills Balance +12, Climb +11, Hide +9*, Listen +6, Move Silently +12, Spot +6
Feats Multiattack, Weapon Finesse (bite), Weapon Finesse (claw)
Includes +4 ratial bonus on Hide and Move Silently checks, +8 racial bonus on balance checks.
*In areas of tall grass or heavy undergrowth, her Hide bonus improves to +8