Wherever villainy triumphs and injustice reigns, the servants of Torm bring truth and light to the darkest shadows. The divine servants of the Loyal Fury will not rest until they defeat the countless evils that beset the good folk of the Realms. Torm is one of the brightest divine figures in the Realms, and his priests are known for their valor and self-sacrifice. Should you choose the path of the champion of justice, walk tall and proud, carrying the weight of history and nobility in all that you do, bolstered with the feats, powers, organizations, and items in this article.
Before the Spellplague, Torm, Tyr, and Ilmater formed a "triad" of benevolent deities. This covenant has been renewed in the wake of Tyr's death, with Torm, Ilmater, and Bahamut, who was promoted to occupy much the same knightly place Torm did for Tyr. While Torm is technically the god of law while Bahamut is charged with justice, a considerable amount of overlap exists between the deities, and Torm is known widely as a god of justice in addition to cold law. Torm and his priests err on the side of benevolence when determining lawful matters. The gods of the Triad make a perfect set of judges: Bahamut's desire for justice balanced by Ilmater's mercy, with Torm as the calm center
now only if if Foxxie at twilight gets some ddi love
so, not to derail this Delta, but how long till you catch up with JD in the post count since your about 25 away from 3000 posts?
While Torm is technically the god of law while Bahamut is charged with justice, a considerable amount of overlap exists between the deities, and Torm is known widely as a god of justice in addition to cold law.
You know what this means. The Spellplague and the 4E changes weren't enough. If overlap still exists, then clearly one of them must die.
Not sure where benevolence would kick in when you're known as the Loyal FURY...
I disagree. We've used Torm, Deneir (ones I've used), Ellistraee, and Tempus. I don't dig 4e simplifying things one bit. Having deities for various aspects of life is like the old pagan gods of old... where you had a god/goddess for practically everything in life....
My post above is written with a huge tongue in cheek.
True....
Makes one wonder if he's dumped the Red Knight for Shar.... BLECH!
Yes good article. Nice follow up to the Eye of Justice. I still want an updated map of Westgate. Torm seems to have a lot of shady connections for a lawfull good deity!
He's been sluming...
It's that side of him that he's trying to hide...
Makes one wonder if he's dumped the Red Knight for Shar.... BLECH!
Nah, Loviatar...
dont give them ideas
Dude! Don't spoil my next article: Torm, the New Dark. (Yes, FAR Darker Than Ever Before.)
(Ahem. j/k.)
Though since the subject of Torm's romantic affairs was raised, I will say that the article originally included a little bit of realmslore on that point, which was cut for length reasons (I imagine). It follows up on one small sentence in ye olde 2e Faiths and Avatars book. Here's what it was:
A Divine Romance
Torm is linked to Sune Firehair, goddess of love, in many fanciful stories and romantic tales. Regardless of the truth between the two deities, their priesthoods often act out this legendary romance, and classic stories abound of courtly knights of Torm pining for alluring priests of Sune. In particular, the Lay of Jain and Elloe—about a knight of justice and the bard-priestess he loved—is a popular ballad, sung in taverns throughout Faerun, and a favorite of bards leading courtly knights into battle.
So yeah. Torm. He gets around.
Cheers
P.S. And who would ever dump the Red Knight? Honestly!
Thanks Erik! I wish I could read the article for myself but I'm not a subscriber....
Regardless of the truth between the two deities, their priesthoods often act out this legendary romance, and classic stories abound of courtly knights of Torm pining for alluring priests of Sune.
Pining, eh? Maybe Samantha will hang on to her Sune temple armor then. Messing with Tormites can be fun.
Gomez
While Torm is technically the god of law while Bahamut is charged with justice, a considerable amount of overlap exists between the deities, and Torm is known widely as a god of justice in addition to cold law.
You know what this means. The Spellplague and the 4E changes weren't enough. If overlap still exists, then clearly one of them must die.
It's worse, they all have some overlap again with Amaunator. Another god of order, civilization, law and bureaucracy. I would vote for killing Torm and Amaunator. ^^
A Divine Romance
Torm is linked to Sune Firehair, goddess of love, in many fanciful stories and romantic tales. Regardless of the truth between the two deities, their priesthoods often act out this legendary romance, and classic stories abound of courtly knights of Torm pining for alluring priests of Sune. In particular, the Lay of Jain and Elloe—about a knight of justice and the bard-priestess he loved—is a popular ballad, sung in taverns throughout Faerun, and a favorite of bards leading courtly knights into battle.
OMG, that made me toss my cookies! Another one of these clichés that have this overwhelming stench of narcism about them. Sometimes we really do need Shar and Cyric. Kill them all and leave the obligation of sorting them out to Kelemvor. ^^ A "courtly knight" just sounds like a spoiled brat on a quest to extend his "glory". If the woman of his choice ever dares to confess her love to him it will sound like this:"Oh, I love me so much, my darling." Him:"Oh yes, sweetheart, I love me too." If you would interview one of these guys and asked them about their most outstanding qualities they would tell you:" You know, I'm so god damn humble, you won't believe it." True statement. ;)
P.S.: I need a puking smily!
This tidbit is based on Sune's entry in the old 2nd edition Faiths and Avatars book. Specifically, about Sune being "smitten" with Torm's selfless heroism during the Time of Troubles.
That connection has evolved, over the last hundred years, into a romantic tradition between the priesthoods. It is not necessarily indicative of a grand deity-drama romance between Torm and Sune. (If you want that in your game, by all means.) "Jain and Elloe" is a Romeo and Juliet sort of legend--with all the grand drama and cheesiness inherent in that story.
Also, if reading about courtly love and chivalry makes you throw up in your mouth a little bit (and some of us, it does), might I recommend a different genre than fantasy? 'Cuz it's sort of a thing.
Also, I would never write a cheesy romance scene such as you describe. Ever. You have my word on that.
Cheers
Not long ago I read the early FR novel "Spellfire" in which Torm wasn't a deity but a regular human fighter (or paladin, maybe?) Do later novels talk about his ascension to god-like status? If so, what happens? Or was he just an avatar or something?
Here's my question about Torm:
Not long ago I read the early FR novel "Spellfire" in which Torm wasn't a deity but a regular human fighter (or paladin, maybe?) Do later novels talk about his ascension to god-like status? If so, what happens? Or was he just an avatar or something?
Actually, the roguish adventurer Torm in "Spellfire" (and several other Realms novels by the wise and brilliant Ed Greenwood) is not the same as the deity Torm. Whether he is named directly after the deity or not is unclear.
(It's like people being named Jesus [usually pronounced Hey-suice] without actually, y'know, being Jesus.)
Note that this isn't entirely certain--I'm just answering based on what we know right now. In the probably unlikely event that Torm and Torm are revealed to be one and the same, then the answer will be quite different.
Cheers
Sorry this doesn't work for you!
This tidbit is based on Sune's entry in the old 2nd edition Faiths and Avatars book. Specifically, about Sune being "smitten" with Torm's selfless heroism during the Time of Troubles.
That connection has evolved, over the last hundred years, into a romantic tradition between the priesthoods. It is not necessarily indicative of a grand deity-drama romance between Torm and Sune. (If you want that in your game, by all means.) "Jain and Elloe" is a Romeo and Juliet sort of legend--with all the grand drama and cheesiness inherent in that story.
Also, if reading about courtly love and chivalry makes you throw up in your mouth a little bit (and some of us, it does), might I recommend a different genre than fantasy? 'Cuz it's sort of a thing.
Also, I would never write a cheesy romance scene such as you describe. Ever. You have my word on that.
Cheers
The thing is, I'm fond uf romantic stories. That's just the reason why I have high expectaions about love stories and this stuff doesn't live up to the real deal. That's all.
The thing is, I'm fond uf romantic stories. That's just the reason why I have high expectaions about love stories and this stuff doesn't live up to the real deal. That's all.
I'm sorry, I just don't really understand what you're saying. What is "this stuff"? Courtly love? Are you saying that has no place in real romance stories? In that case, you're eliminating Robin Hood, Ivanhoe, much of during/post medieval romantic writing, Phillipa Gregory and her imitators, and pretty much every "romance" Shakespeare ever wrote. And in that case, I just don't think you're going to find much pseudo-medieval fantasy that you would consider "romantic."
Out of curiosity, what romantic stories that you're "fond" of do you mean?
I also find your post a bit ludicrous to imply that my intention in posting this tidbit was to suggest a tale of such narcissistic drivel as you proposed in your post. (And don't worry, I would never write such sheer and utter garbage.) If that was what immediately jumped into your head upon reading my post, then I would recommend reading one of the books I mentioned above for an example of what I mean.
Now of course, that's not saying that there wouldn't be people in the Realms who put on just such a play, with over-stuffed morons and lines like you suggested (which are quite funny in a satirical context), but it would be slapstick humor, not serious. No one thinks that that's what romance really is, and when you're dealing with a knight sworn to a god of duty and law and a priestess sworn to the goddess of love, I think it's a fair bet that you can produce a real love story out of it.
Cheers
The thing is, I'm fond uf romantic stories. That's just the reason why I have high expectaions about love stories and this stuff doesn't live up to the real deal. That's all.
I'm sorry, I just don't really understand what you're saying. What is "this stuff"? Courtly love? Are you saying that has no place in real romance stories? In that case, you're eliminating Robin Hood, Ivanhoe, much of during/post medieval romantic writing, Phillipa Gregory and her imitators, and pretty much every "romance" Shakespeare ever wrote. And in that case, I just don't think you're going to find much pseudo-medieval fantasy that you would consider "romantic."
Out of curiosity, what romantic stories that you're "fond" of do you mean?
I also find your post a bit ludicrous to imply that my intention in posting this tidbit was to suggest a tale of such narcissistic drivel as you proposed in your post. (And don't worry, I would never write such sheer and utter garbage.) If that was what immediately jumped into your head upon reading my post, then I would recommend reading one of the books I mentioned above for an example of what I mean.
Now of course, that's not saying that there wouldn't be people in the Realms who put on just such a play, with over-stuffed morons and lines like you suggested (which are quite funny in a satirical context), but it would be slapstick humor, not serious. No one thinks that that's what romance really is, and when you're dealing with a knight sworn to a god of duty and law and a priestess sworn to the goddess of love, I think it's a fair bet that you can produce a real love story out of it.
Cheers
Just not one written by Erik.....
its not like he would write one before he would give the lovely Foxxie at Twilight some DDI love first
why not
its not like he would write one before he would give the lovely Foxxie at Twilight some DDI love first
And that would be its own romance story all of its own.
And yes, I'd be very happy to do a DDI piece on Fox-at-Twilight--it's just a question of what WotC is looking for at the time.
Cheers
The thing is, I'm fond uf romantic stories. That's just the reason why I have high expectaions about love stories and this stuff doesn't live up to the real deal. That's all.
I'm sorry, I just don't really understand what you're saying. What is "this stuff"? Courtly love? Are you saying that has no place in real romance stories? In that case, you're eliminating Robin Hood, Ivanhoe, much of during/post medieval romantic writing, Phillipa Gregory and her imitators, and pretty much every "romance" Shakespeare ever wrote. And in that case, I just don't think you're going to find much pseudo-medieval fantasy that you would consider "romantic."
Out of curiosity, what romantic stories that you're "fond" of do you mean?
I also find your post a bit ludicrous to imply that my intention in posting this tidbit was to suggest a tale of such narcissistic drivel as you proposed in your post. (And don't worry, I would never write such sheer and utter garbage.) If that was what immediately jumped into your head upon reading my post, then I would recommend reading one of the books I mentioned above for an example of what I mean.
Now of course, that's not saying that there wouldn't be people in the Realms who put on just such a play, with over-stuffed morons and lines like you suggested (which are quite funny in a satirical context), but it would be slapstick humor, not serious. No one thinks that that's what romance really is, and when you're dealing with a knight sworn to a god of duty and law and a priestess sworn to the goddess of love, I think it's a fair bet that you can produce a real love story out of it.
Cheers
Ok, another one trying hard to not understand to quote/unquote "win". It's not the "what", it's the "how". The sound makes the music. This story's just plain "flat"! It has no depth to it. Torm is hopfully more than just a walking cliché, he's a person, a complex character. And hopfully again the universe he exists in is neither just a black and white caricature.
Ok, another one trying hard to not understand to quote/unquote "win". It's not the "what", it's the "how". The sound makes the music. This story's just plain "flat"! It has no depth to it. Torm is hopfully more than just a walking cliché, he's a person, a complex character. And hopfully again the universe he exists in is neither just a black and white caricature.
Y'know, I was going to post a reply, but I think I'll just say, I still don't understand what you mean. Your point as I understand it makes no sense.
Of course black and white caricatures are bad, and of course a flat story is bad. What I don't understand is why you immediately judge this story flat based on such a barebones description that includes the two main characters (Jain and Elloe) and the basic theme (romance). Nothing about plot, dialogue, characterization, setting, anything. How can one possibly judge a theoretical story without knowing anything about those things?
I can't think of anything else helpful I might add to this point, so unless you're going to explain what you're talking about a little more clearly, I suggest we move on.
Again, sorry it doesn't work for you.
Cheers
when you're dealing with a knight sworn to a god of duty and law and a priestess sworn to the goddess of love, I think it's a fair bet that you can produce a real love story out of it.
Cheers
Just not one written by Erik.....
Well, only if there's plenty of blood and death and stuff. (j/k!)
I happen to really like writing romantic themes into my otherwise straight-up sword-and-sorcery writing. Whether I do it well or not is up to my readers.
Cheers
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms, at least none that were written about, so it's hard for me to picture what Torm's all about (except for the brief info about him in the manual). What works in-game (because you don't need a ton of Torm info) doesn't necessarily work for the literary romance of Torm and Sune. There's just not enough "lore" about Torm such that the romance is understandable.
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms, at least none that were written about, so it's hard for me to picture what Torm's all about (except for the brief info about him in the manual). What works in-game (because you don't need a ton of Torm info) doesn't necessarily work for the literary romance of Torm and Sune. There's just not enough "lore" about Torm such that the romance is understandable.
Theres been plenty of stuff written about Torm, the 2e sourcebook Faiths & Avatars is an excellent source for Torm, and other major deities of the Realms. Besides that "relations" between the gods are probably beyond mortal comprehension. Also im sure Sune gets around and has probably been connected romaticaly with various other gods, down through the ages.
Welcome Aboard BTW
Perhaps the difficulty with the Torm-Sune romance isn't in the story of the romance itself, but that it may be difficult knowing what Torm really is in 4E Realms. We "know" deities like Bhaal, Mask, Lloth, and Mystra because we've read stories about them. They're easy to picture, in a sense. Torm has never really been in the spotlight, apart from the Time of Troubles, and he's been through a number of changes since then anyway (added portfolios, moving into Greater deity status, etc), and now we have this added romance. In romance, it's really important to know the characters. Imagine a story where we know only of Juliet (generally) and yet Romeo is described as "a star-crossed lover, from a family at odds with Juliet's." The whole idea of a romance between them would seem hastily put together and somewhat cardboard. It's actually easier to picture Tyr, because we "know" of him from mythology, and Helm always seemed to me like Heimdall. Torm is really... new, even though he's been "around" a while.
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms, at least none that were written about, so it's hard for me to picture what Torm's all about (except for the brief info about him in the manual). What works in-game (because you don't need a ton of Torm info) doesn't necessarily work for the literary romance of Torm and Sune. There's just not enough "lore" about Torm such that the romance is understandable.
Ah, thank you for that point. I am sensitive to Torm and his faith being less featured in the lore than other deities, and people being somewhat less comfortable playing devotees of the Loyal Fury. That was, in part, the purpose behind the article--to make Torm more familiar.
I want to clarify that my post *was not* speculating on a romance between the *actual deities Torm and Sune*, but rather a *romantic tradition* between their two *priesthoods*, stemming from a classic in-world romance story that involves a pair of their followers (based on actual fact or made up entirely). The story is sort of the Realms-equivalent of a Romeo & Juliet or the illicit love between Lancelot and his best friend's girl.
(As for whether Torm and Sune themselves are romantic, that's up to your DM and whether s/he likes dabbling in the drama of the deities.)
If anything, I included the post as a means of adding an element to the hopper when you're thinking about how to roleplay a Torm-sworn character. Putting a spotlight on Torm's faith was exactly what I was trying to do--make them seem less stuffy and cardboard "white knights" by adding a new dimension (a romantic nature).
So in short, consider making your Tormite/Tormtar character gallant and dashing and romantic, in that sort of Romanticism way (the deeply passionate knight errant). You don't have to do it that way--it's just fuel for thought.
Cheers
Theres been plenty of stuff written about Torm, the 2e sourcebook Faiths & Avatars is an excellent source for Torm, and other major deities of the Realms. Besides that "relations" between the gods are probably beyond mortal comprehension. Also im sure Sune gets around and has probably been connected romaticaly with various other gods, down through the ages.
Sure, absolutely, but I think many people coming into 4E may not have access to some of that. Even if they did, Torm was a lesser deity back then, and he's gone through a lot of changes - most in the transition to 4E. So it's hard to have a concrete feel for him, at least for me.
That said, in the game it's completely possible to play a cleric of Torm without a lot of deep history, so I was commenting more on the literary aspect than the game aspect.
Ah, thank you for that point. I am sensitive to Torm and his faith being less featured in the lore than other deities, and people being somewhat less comfortable playing devotees of the Loyal Fury. That was, in part, the purpose behind the article--to make Torm more familiar.
Definitely, and I think that's what Torm needs for sure - more depth, more rich history.
I want to clarify that my post *was not* speculating on a romance between the *actual deities Torm and Sune*, but rather a *romantic tradition* between their two *priesthoods*, stemming from a classic in-world romance story that involves a pair of their followers (based on actual fact or made up entirely). The story is sort of the Realms-equivalent of a Romeo & Juliet or the illicit love between Lancelot and his best friend's girl.
(As for whether Torm and Sune themselves are romantic, that's up to your DM and whether s/he likes dabbling in the drama of the deities.)
Sure I totally get that, and personally I think it's a neat idea.
One weird thing that comes to my mind is the brief snippet we were told about Tyr and Helm. There was a deity romance triangle there, with a bit of history presented in Grand History. And I've been with the Realms for a while, but Torm has been relatively generic enough that I've personally tended to confuse Torm with Tyr and with Helm (based on their personality, purpose, intent, and with their symbols).
So with that in mind (namely, how I get confuzzled), and the prior romance between Tyr and Tymora (it was her, right?), and then the absorption of Tyr's power and portfolio by Torm, I feel all muddy thinking about this romance stuff. Maybe it's just me, because it could be, but the lines between LG deities were a little blurred in 4E. Did Torm absorb Tyr's feelings for Tymora as well as his power? Torm would be an interesting candidate to comfort Tymora over all the loss. Also, I have this inner sense (again, might just be me) that Sune is "older" (maybe not the right word) than Torm, so it'd be easier to see him with the Red Knight. But I totally get that you weren't intending to talk about the deities in a relationship, rather their churches and those traditions.
Anyway, lots of similar romance-ness going on, so it's hard to keep it all sorted out in my mind.
I love the general idea of making Torm a little more defined by courtly love, though.
If anything, I included the post as a means of adding an element to the hopper when you're thinking about how to roleplay a Torm-sworn character. Putting a spotlight on Torm's faith was exactly what I was trying to do--make them seem less stuffy and cardboard "white knights" by adding a new dimension (a romantic nature).
So in short, consider making your Tormite/Tormtar character gallant and dashing and romantic, in that sort of Romanticism way (the deeply passionate knight errant). You don't have to do it that way--it's just fuel for thought.
I love the idea. For me it'd make a lot of sense for a noble, courtly Purple Dragon of Cormyr who's also dashing and romantic, and a follower of Torm. Classic romantic fantasy Tristan and Isolde flavor, and that's great!
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms
Keldorn Firecam - the greatest Paladin ever to grace the Realms.
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms
Keldorn Firecam - the greatest Paladin ever to grace the Realms.
Three cheers for busting out the BG2 action!
Also, Torm and a good number of his followers appear in the Avatar Trilogy, specifically Tantras, the second book.
The companion DDI article to this Channel Divinity--Eye of Justice--is all about a sect of Torm's shadier followers.
Also, Shadowbane--from my novel Downshadow--is debatably a devotee of Torm. With him, it's a little complicated.
Cheers
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms
Keldorn Firecam - the greatest Paladin ever to grace the Realms.
Oh, I forgot completely about him, and you're absolutely right!
I can't even remember a devotee of Torm in the Realms
Keldorn Firecam - the greatest Paladin ever to grace the Realms.
Oh, I forgot completely about him, and you're absolutely right!
On the other hand, I'd never heard of the character.
There was a brief mention of a relationship between Torm and The Red Knight in the 3.0 stuff.
Our group doesn't do 4e Realms (or D&D for that matter) so we have the 3.5 Torm (and earlier) to go on. I find Faiths and Avatars to be an excellent sourcebook for the deities. IMO, better than Faiths and Pantheons.
That and it makes Torm look like Russell Crowe (Gladiator version w/armor) before we'd even heard of Crowe!
he trained the helmite paladin from the baldur's gate 1 who the protagonist killed in bgII.
his sword though was a joke....
casting mm against the attacker.... dispell magic on hit would of been better
Cheers
its not to late to play it, there is a link from the bioware site that holds a place where it can be downloaded legally......
For how much $? And what the specs on it? My computer wont run NWN2 but it will run the 1st one, so do you think it would run BG 1 & 2?
check the ads by google part of the nwn page.... it has the link
his sword though was a joke....
casting mm against the attacker.... dispell magic on hit would of been better
That's why you give him Carsomyr. It can only be wielded by Paladins, so unless you're playing as a Paladin yourself, he's the only character in the game that can use it (and it was, hands-down, the best weapon in the game prior to the ToB expansion).
For how much $? And what the specs on it? My computer wont run NWN2 but it will run the 1st one, so do you think it would run BG 1 & 2?
System requirements for BG2:
200 MHz CPU, 32 MB RAM, 4 MB video card RAM, 4X CD-ROM drive, DirectX 7.0, 800 MB available hard disk space, Windows 95
These games are old, and they weren't particularly demading on hardware even when they were released. If anyone here does decide to give Baldur's Gate a try, I strongly recommend you look into BG1tutu (pronounced it out loud - BG1 to 2). It's a community mod set that allows you to play BG1 as a BG2 mod, with all of the game engine improvements that entails.
System requirements for BG2:
200 MHz CPU, 32 MB RAM, 4 MB video card RAM, 4X CD-ROM drive, DirectX 7.0, 800 MB available hard disk space, Windows 95
These games are old, and they weren't particularly demading on hardware even when they were released. If anyone here does decide to give Baldur's Gate a try, I strongly recommend you look into BG1tutu (pronounced it out loud - BG1 to 2). It's a community mod set that allows you to play BG1 as a BG2 mod, with all of the game engine improvements that entails.
That's very cool, I didn't know it was still available, or that others were doing modifications of it to enhance play.
System requirements for BG2:
200 MHz CPU, 32 MB RAM, 4 MB video card RAM, 4X CD-ROM drive, DirectX 7.0, 800 MB available hard disk space, Windows 95
These games are old, and they weren't particularly demading on hardware even when they were released. If anyone here does decide to give Baldur's Gate a try, I strongly recommend you look into BG1tutu (pronounced it out loud - BG1 to 2). It's a community mod set that allows you to play BG1 as a BG2 mod, with all of the game engine improvements that entails.
That's very cool, I didn't know it was still available, or that others were doing modifications of it to enhance play.
Yes very cool! thanks for sharing Vaultdweller!
There are a lot of other 'tweak' mods, though, that can enhance the game.
If anyone goes all the way to the end of the series, do get the Ascension mod for Throne of Bhaal. This is a mod by Dave Gaider, who is one of Bioware of Bioware's designers - he was the lead writer on the more recent Dragon Age: Origins and was also a writer for BG2. The Ascension mod restores the end-game to be closer to what was originally intended before it had to be cut down, giving a much more satisfying climax with far more player choice.
Of course, one thing that doesn't need any modding at all is Durlag's Tower. This was a dungeon in the Tales of the Sword Coast expansion for BG1. This is, hands down and without question, the most incredible dungeon in any electronic RPG, ever. I've considered adapting it for use in 4e, but I just don't think I could do it justice.
Anyway, I've hijacked this thread, I should stop now before I take it any further off topic.
winsdows XP has a compatiablity deal.....
otherwise you might need to find an emulator.
can it be set up to use one fo the core processors with the game???
Any problems with Vista?
You gotta be kidding me.
And just so im not too far off topic, Remember when Torm Kicked Banes A$$ during the Time of Troubles? I bet Bane still cant live that down, you got beat by a Demi power neener neener!
no I'm still using XP
Praise Torm
and then by Tyr's toenail
Bahamut and Torm both got love, no ilmater and Siamorphe
So how would followers of Torm get along with followers of Hoar? Is it common knowledge across the Realms that Hoar serves under Bane, or is that merely player knowledge?
I hope so, only the Greater gods got write ups in the Campaign book oh and Umberlee, so all the lesser powers need a write up! Would be nice if they put out a 4e Faiths and Avatars book. Hint Hint WotC!
Surely you jest. They've stuck to their guns when it comes to books per setting as far as I can tell. When it comes down to it, beyond those greater gods, its entirely up to the DM.
Ok so what else about Tormy?
Richard Baker MUST be stopped!!!!!
vista sucks
Nothing on the quote but I guess you're going Helmite on us....
Awww, whats wrong with Vista? What are you guys runnin, Windows 7?
And just so im not too far off topic, Remember when Torm Kicked Banes A$$ during the Time of Troubles? I bet Bane still cant live that down, you got beat by a Demi power neener neener!
XP And that was awesome in itself. Torm kicking major booty and totally pwning Bane's sorry little self.
vista sux cause the US gov wont even use it.....
no I'm still using XP
Praise Torm
and then by Tyr's toenail
Praise Torm indeed and what is it with Tyr's Toenail?
Vista sux worse than Cyric.
I hope so, only the Greater gods got write ups in the Campaign book oh and Umberlee, so all the lesser powers need a write up! Would be nice if they put out a 4e Faiths and Avatars book. Hint Hint WotC!
Surely you jest. They've stuck to their guns when it comes to books per setting as far as I can tell. When it comes down to it, beyond those greater gods, its entirely up to the DM.
Yeah i know, but im hopin that WotC will realize that theres a big demand for more Realmslore, and put out more source books, or at the very least more Dragon and/or Dungeon articles. I mean that was always the key thing about the Realms, all the lore and info about the setting, It was the most detailed setting ever! Now, theyve destroyed what made the Realms so great. And im also peeved that out of all the lesser gods they chose Umberlee to do a write up for. Umberlee? Come on! And besides isnt Umberlee merley an aspect of Istishia?
And besides isnt Umberlee merley an aspect of Istishia?
That does make sense actually, I wonder why the designers didn't go with that while they were triming the gods down?
Making Akadi a primordial didn't stop them from claiming for no readily discernible reason that Aerdrie Faenya had been her all along.
But hey nobody cares about elves or the Seldarine anyway right. :roll:
But hey nobody cares about elves or the Seldarine anyway right.
Happily, this is true. Or should be anyway...
This thread deals with Torm the Lawman, high sheriff of the Realms and or his Champions
Also, I would never write a cheesy romance scene such as you describe. Ever. You have my word on that.
Note the "such as you describe." there... key words there. 'Cause he's gonna make it cheesier and far worse than you ever imagined, just to spite you. I hope so anyway... because that's what I'd do...
Also, I would never write a cheesy romance scene such as you describe. Ever. You have my word on that.
Note the "such as you describe." there... key words there. 'Cause he's gonna make it cheesier and far worse than you ever imagined, just to spite you. I hope so anyway... because that's what I'd do...
LOL
Also, I would never write a cheesy romance scene such as you describe. Ever. You have my word on that.
Note the "such as you describe." there... key words there. 'Cause he's gonna make it cheesier and far worse than you ever imagined, just to spite you. I hope so anyway... because that's what I'd do...
Heh.
If you won't throw away credibility, reputation, and self-respect all for petty revenge, than why are you on the Internet in the first place?
Cheers
I would SMITE you all, but you managed to get back on topic more or less, so I'll stay my hand this once!
So how would followers of Torm get along with followers of Hoar? Is it common knowledge across the Realms that Hoar serves under Bane, or is that merely player knowledge?
I think it's just DM/Player knowledge. Maybe Clerical knowledge as well... If they make the skill check anyway.
*raises hand in salute to his Hoarite brother*
Torm has an undercover agent named Assuran
Who goes by the name of Hoar, and waits quietly behind Bane, hoping for the signal to sink his blade in the Black Hand's back and whisper "Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. By my hand are all debts repaid in full." Cue twist of blade, fade to black...