Elrik Darkstorm
I read in one of the threads that ched nasad was destroyed,can someone tell me what and how this happened and what book series i can rad about it,i dont care about spoilers,i dont really know that much about FR,i just got into this world about a year ago,by(what a surprize this must be)by a friend giving me a drizzt book,(icewindale trilogy) and by playing some of the computer games does anyone remeber dungeon hack?i still have it but anyway any info would be very helpful thank you once again.
Elrik Darkstorm
It happened in the 6-book series "War of the Spider Queen", which we all abbreviate to WotSQ. It's here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_the_Spider_Queen
-- George Krashos
I've probably taken it over by now.
-- George Krashos
-Krashos Morume was living in the area, and did survive, so...
-That said, as per the the Dragons of Faerûn web-enhancement, the city is in the control of Vhaerunians, with ties to the Jaezred Chaulssin. The Lady Penitent books, if I recall correctly, seem to imply that the minor Lolthite houses that survived are in charge now. So, it's probably all crazy there, right now.
- ... So, it's probably all crazy there, right now.
No, it's more like three sources on the same topic which not exactly gel together. One major problem of the LP series is of course that there are many questions left open, wide open. What e.g. happens to the Vhaeraunians all over the place? For the love of Lolth can I not envisage that all those avid Eilistraee haters in Cormanthor and the Forest of Mir and Ched Nasad simply switched to the Masked Lady's cult while she was in place. More like some ambitions drow characters (not least Jezz) laid those traitors to rest to get into positions of power. This would leave them bereft of divine healing magic - for a time - but would not weaken them as much as Lolth's absence did during her Silence.
I've probably taken it over by now.
-- George Krashos
So, did you ever find anything interesting among the ruins? ;)
-- George Krashos
No, it's more like three sources on the same topic which not exactly gel together.
-Which is unfortunate, because they paint our picture of the world.
-In either case, the FRCG (presumably) will be able to tell us who takes control of the city, ultimately, if there is indeed some faction conflict.
Perhaps
Perhaps
-I think that it'd be unlikely that it doesn't. Ched Nesad is/was probably the second most popular city in the Underdark, behind Menzoberranzan.
Whatever happened to it, I am sure Ched Nasad will always be a good adventuring site in 4E. I mean just all the ancient Netherese artefacts one can loot there.
Netherese? More like drow. :P
Netherese? More like drow. :P
Well, the Ched Nasad folk made a habbit of looting the lands beneath Anauroch for centuries, hence there surely is some of that plus the drow items to be found in the ruins of the city. It could be a new Myth Drannor, but the outlay of the city offers not that great a setting.
I always thought the drow of Ched Nassad and Ssamath had looted more of netheril than the survivors did.
That's what I stated above and how it is portrayed in DdUGttUD. ;)
I hope we get to see a new City of Drow somewhere in 4E. Someplace that is not so forbidden like Menzo. Maybe a new rebuilt Ched.
Matter of factly, Guallidurth would be a good place to start, as the Temple City of Lolth could easily become "the Vault of the Drow" within Realmspace, though this time a real drow city (which Erelhei-cinlu is not). As simplicity looks to be high on the agenda, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of known drow city is slashed to a fifth of nowadays and Menzo will be elevated to prime position.
I hope we get to see a new City of Drow somewhere in 4E. Someplace that is not so forbidden like Menzo. Maybe a new rebuilt Ched.
-Why do you say that?
Well, the Ched Nasad folk made a habbit of looting the lands beneath Anauroch for centuries, hence there surely is some of that plus the drow items to be found in the ruins of the city. It could be a new Myth Drannor, but the outlay of the city offers not that great a setting.
Except that the vast majority of Netherese items and artifacts of any real power would have been kept in enclaves, their floating cities. Finding a deeply buried treasure trove under the sands with lots of magic or treasure stretches believability - especially considering who they were at war with when the empire fell.
Except that the vast majority of Netherese items and artifacts of any real power would have been kept in enclaves, their floating cities. Finding a deeply buried treasure trove under the sands with lots of magic or treasure stretches believability - especially considering who they were at war with when the empire fell.
-Undrentide, which was made canon in AGHotR.
-Undrentide, which was made canon in AGHotR.
Are you saying they made the video game into canon?
Are you saying they made the video game into canon?
-The fact that there was a wasting disease in Neverwinter, and the existence of the Undrentide Enclave, at least.
-The fact that there was a wasting disease in Neverwinter, and the existence of the Undrentide Enclave, at least.
Huh... maybe something I glossed over. Can you recall the year, roughly?
Huh... maybe something I glossed over. Can you recall the year, roughly?
-Undrentide is featured in the map of Netheril in the book. As for the part with Neverwinter, I don't remember the exact date, but I recall it was fairly recent.
-Undrentide is featured in the map of Netheril in the book. As for the part with Neverwinter, I don't remember the exact date, but I recall it was fairly recent.
Right, but I meant the part where Undrentide's ruins were discovered by the drow, what year was that?
Right, but I meant the part where Undrentide's ruins were discovered by the drow, what year was that?
-That isn't there. I didn't say it was, either. I simply mentioned the existence of the Undrentide enclave, which is/was located underground. The write-up of Ched Nesad in Underdark does mention Netherese artifacts, I believe, however. Krashos Morume made his home in Ched Nesad to be close to said magic.
Unfortunately, I'm not sure from which 2 books I remember this, though. The girdle and pre-cataclysm situation was either in Underdark or F&P, though.
Hey, wasn't it mentioned that the Ched Nasad ruins were excavated by the remainder of one of the major clans, whose daughter - now leader - was a Sharran? I think she had a Sharran artifact girdle... it was mentioned once in an earlier book which said her mother knew about her heresy but kept her around to find more about it and the source of power she wielded, and once after the cataclysm, where the daughter was considered the primary figure of power around the Nasadran survivors.
-This was before the collapse, and the woman in question is Zezztra Alrehand (Sp?). Please forgive the spelling, of course.
Except that the vast majority of Netherese items and artifacts of any real power would have been kept in enclaves, their floating cities. Finding a deeply buried treasure trove under the sands with lots of magic or treasure stretches believability - especially considering who they were at war with when the empire fell.
You say it yourself, the empire fell. And once the floating cities were cut off from the magic - something a certain poster might be able to expand on for the next three or four pages - said enclaves tumbled from the sky and buried themselves into the ground. Deep into the ground.
No matter what my or your opinion on this is, said book tells us that the drow raided the lands beneath Anauroch for centuries to get (amongst other things) Netherese items, so they must have been there.
-Why do you say that?
I think a drow city that players can actually travel through would be interesting. The "step within its walls and die" Menzo is a little restrictive. I want the players to intereact with the people more even if they are all rascist SOBs. I want it set up like the Yuan-Ti Cities of the South I guess.
I think a drow city that players can actually travel through would be interesting. The "step within its walls and die" Menzo is a little restrictive. I want the players to intereact with the people more even if they are all rascist SOBs. I want it set up like the Yuan-Ti Cities of the South I guess.
-Menzoberranzan actually isn't like that, really. It's more like the idealistic place you describes. What is portrayed in R.A. Salvatore's novels differs greatly from Elaine Cunningham's novels (which are more accurate), the Menzoberranzan box, and Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark.
-Menzoberranzan actually isn't like that, really. It's more like the idealistic place you describes. What is portrayed in R.A. Salvatore's novels differs greatly from Elaine Cunningham's novels (which are more accurate), the Menzoberranzan box, and Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark.
Even better: The Menzo box goes on and gives you the outline of a full adventure / campaign for both surfacer and drow players to "survive" in Menzoberranzan. It is all about perspective. The novels (especially R.A.S.'s) paint a picture as seen from the perspective of the noble houses and hardly ever step out of that line of thought. You'd have to look for people not (directly) involved into inter-house affairs to get an idea how they "survive" in this or other drow cities, Valas, Ryld and some others spring to mind.
The above was just in addition to LK's remarks. And, BTW, Sigma, I'd doubt your "harrassment" of LK is looked upon kindly by the WizO's. For he's not adjudicating people, but relating - to the most part - knowledge and lore. And while we are at it, how many accounts can one create from one IP address, WizO's?
Even better: The Menzo box goes on and gives you the outline of a full adventure / campaign for both surfacer and drow players to "survive" in Menzoberranzan. It is all about perspective. The novels (especially R.A.S.'s) paint a picture as seen from the perspective of the noble houses and hardly ever step out of that line of thought. You'd have to look for people not (directly) involved into inter-house affairs to get an idea how they "survive" in this or other drow cities, Valas, Ryld and some others spring to mind.
-Indeed. I remember when first reading Daughter of the Drow, back in the day, it was as if I was seeing a completely different place. It actually confused me a lot, as that was all I had was the FRCS.
And while we are at it, how many accounts can one create from one IP address, WizO's?
-They're based on e-mail addresses, not IP addresses. As far as I know, there's an unlimited amount of screen names a person can make- which is why there is so much of a problem with trolling. Someone who gets banned- temporarily or permanently- can simply make a new screen name, and continue their annoying/destructive behavior. For whatever reason, management is hesitant to ban e-mail accounts, or IP addresses, though a determined troll can bypass both by using a new e-mail address, or a new IP address.
If they write up Menzo as a very dangerous place that all humanoids can dwell in (at their own risk) then that is what I would love. Of course if the designers don't do it then I guess I will just have to get the job doen myself. ;)
I actually neverread the Menzo boxed set and only read the RAS and Cunningham books and then some of the War of the Spider books.
If they write up Menzo as a very dangerous place that all humanoids can dwell in (at their own risk) then that is what I would love. Of course if the designers don't do it then I guess I will just have to get the job doen myself. ;)
Ched Nasad was as you envisioned, before its destruction. Sshamath is as you envision for the most part, but they really respect arcane spellcasters down there. If you come to trade, you will be welcome and won't be harassed TOO much. After all, they want return business. In fact, I'd wager nearly all drow cities are as you envision to some extent or another because in order to survive, they need trade.
If they write up Menzo as a very dangerous place that all humanoids can dwell in (at their own risk) then that is what I would love. Of course if the designers don't do it then I guess I will just have to get the job doen myself. ;)
-That's more or less how it is. Remember, though, while tolerated, visitors are still "iblith".
I hope Menzo is still around and still the same if not more like Ched Nesad was. An Underdark Campaign City where all races can have adventures is a cool idea. I know Skullport and others are there but I am hoping that is they work on one they make it even better. Skullport irked me a little for some reason. Not sure why.
Skullport irked me a little for some reason. Not sure why.
-I never liked Skullport either.
-I never liked Skullport either.
I did for years but the last 4 years now I thought it was just silly. "Ooooh, it the bad part of Waterdeep". Whatever. Just make parts of Waterdeep shadier and nasty like every other city.:D
...and why the all power Lords didn't blow it to smithereens
-As for that part, they lacked the political will. Skullport kept most of the "really" bad stuff down there, and not in Waterdeep itself. So, that's why the Masked Lords were content to sit there will Skullport existed.
Tbh slavery in the realms and in D&D in general has always been such an immensely established institution often in most horrific terms. I never understood where people actually find all these slaves, especially races that use them as fodder or food at massive quantities. It is, for me, the greatest, most vile evil in the face of Faerun and I am appalled that no organization seems to specifically try to combat it.
I love how the biggest slave trade center on the Northdark is right under Waterdeep which abhores slavery. You really can feel the irony.
-Well, as I just said, the Lord of Waterdeep lack the political will to step in and disperse Skullport, and stop all of the bad things that happen there. Skullport's existence allows all of these bad things to happen there, and not in Waterdeep proper, thus allowing the Lord of Waterdeep to have an easier time governing the city. Skullport, it's out of their jurisdiction, so to speak, and not their problem. They have enough problems.
-That's how politics work.
Also, any netherese artifacts may or not be there still. Remember there are a lot of Tomb Tappers out there, and whatever keeps them out of Drow and other underdark cities, which makes me ask, what does?, is now gone, so they may have moved in en masse and seized any loose items that couldn't be easily defended.
How do they get slaves in such large numbers?
-The "usual" ways. ;)
Oryndoll is supposed to be a city of thousands of mind flayers. They could not possibly breed enough slaves to maintain that population.
they send out thralls to capture new thralls I would think