thanks
-That said, Rich Baker has stated that he* considered Ao a mistake, and that Ao's role was going to be minimized such that he receives a mention or two, but nothing else during the 4e era.
-Anyway, many of the deities involved in the most "outrageous" decide- Mystra's- were simply performing their duties. Cyric, with his 'Murder' portfolio. Shar, with her 'Secrets' portfolio. A problem does arise, however, when the text says that Shar is preventing a new deity of magic from ascending. This does, indeed, seem to not be in her purview of duties, and in Ao's. However, because of the statements by Rich Baker, that Ao would seemingly step in is, and has, been ignored. Some would call it "plot armor". That is, in other words, ignoring a detail(s) such that the intended goal is accomplished by the writer/designer, no matter what.
*This may or may not also be shared by the other designers who worked on the FRCG.
For all my problems with the 4e setting, and they are numerous, the decision to minimize and all but eliminate Ao is not one. I too think he was a mistake
-Why do you say that? I've never hard any particular love for Ao or anything, but I've never disliked Ao, either. He's certainly not an anathema to the setting to me, like Ao is to others.
can I have AO killed??
-No.
How many levels does Ao have?
-Here are the stats of Ao:
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However, if the above is possible then the resulting battle would come down to an initiative roll. You'd both basically have infinite initiative, so all you'd do is roll a d20 with whoever getting the highest number retconning the other out of existence. ;)
I, personally, believe it is possible to some degree. After all, wasn't the reasoning behind Mystra having so many Chosen that basically she'd eventually become powerful enough to challenge him?
Ao not stepping in is in character for the guy. He always seemed a bit like a shy type of overdiety to me, who had hidden away his own little snowball called Realmspace from his superiors, who are far more powerful and capricious as he is. During the ToT he stepped in only to reassure divine duty, not because of a diecide.
-Chris Perkins does not peruse these boards.
How do you know?
Do you sit over his shoulder while he works?
:P
I have loose sects, no meeting places either.
I Harp
CHRIS PERKINS IS IN YOUR BASE KILLING YOUR MEN!!!
Oh my god, that trickster set us up the bomb!
I've postulated in the past that the only way to kill Ao is to become an Overdeity yourself, putting you on an equal level with him. However, there was a long (very long) debate over whether or not an ascended god could become an Overdeity, or if you were simply 'born' (for lack of a better term) as an Overdeity. If you can ascend to godhood and eventually become an Overdeity, you'd have to do it in another Crystal Sphere outside Ao's influence. Then you'd have to hope for a method of getting back in Toril's Crystal Sphere past Ao.
However, if the above is possible then the resulting battle would come down to an initiative roll. You'd both basically have infinite initiative, so all you'd do is roll a d20 with whoever getting the highest number retconning the other out of existence. ;)
I, personally, believe it is possible to some degree. After all, wasn't the reasoning behind Mystra having so many Chosen that basically she'd eventually become powerful enough to challenge him?
Which asks the question, what is the hierarchy of the divine?
We know there are greater gods, gods and demi-gods or exarchs. Then there is AO and his superiors.
Is it like the eastern Celestial Bureaucracy? Or more like a western corporation?
Are the Greater Gods managers over the Gods and Exarchs are their runners?
Is AO the regional VP of Realmspace? Who is the President, the CEO?
Inquiring minds want to know!
Bel
See, now I feel devalued as a player if there is a being out there I can't kill and take the stuff of... bad LK, I'm reporting you for not catering to my own selfish fantasies and desires to be uberific. ;)
I know, right?
If I can't kill the Overgod of Realmspace with my level 1 character, then this setting is terribly broken and I can't play in it!
Also... I noticed there are WORDS in the 4e FRCG... thats just too hard! Where are all the illustrations and pop-ups?
I'm the center of the Universe; why won't WotC cater to my needs?
Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!
I know, right?
If I can't kill the Overgod of Realmspace with my level 1 character, then this setting is terribly broken and I can't play in it!
Also... I noticed there are WORDS in the 4e FRCG... thats just too hard! Where are all the illustrations and pop-ups?
I'm the center of the Universe; why won't WotC cater to my needs?
Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh!!!
-Good Grief! :P
18DELTA ;)
See, now I feel devalued as a player if there is a being out there I can't kill and take the stuff of... bad LK, I'm reporting you for not catering to my own selfish fantasies and desires to be uberific. ;)
-Wait, what?
How do you know?
-Because, while he has a screen name on these boards, to post his designer journals, he has never come to this section to field questions.
-Wait, what?
-Because, while he has a screen name on these boards, to post his designer journals, he has never come to this section to field questions.
Refer to MT's post. ;)
Refer to MT's post. ;)
-Oh, okay. Makes a bit more sense, now. Duh.