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#1
akordya
Mar 21, 2008 10:29:07 In the FR campaign me and friends are playing (the 3 books ending with Anauroch empire of shade) I am a lawful-good cleric of Kelemvor. So far I have been the moral strength of the group with my words of wisdom, and almost paladin-like dedication to our cause. Our group is very roleplay oriented with hours passed in discussions about many things, and since there is also a paladin of Lathander in the group, a lot of topics turns around religion.

Now my problem is concerning my own god Kelemvor. What happens to a cleric of Kelemvor when she dies? From the players guide to Faerun page 152-153: the souls of the Faithless form a living wall around the city of Judgment, while the souls of the False are sentenced to servitude within the city, where they are sometimes tortured by devils.

But what happens to the faithful of Kelemvor and Jergal? Are they to live in that city and risk falling prey to the devils too?
#2
1_ton_ghost
Mar 21, 2008 11:58:05 at Jergal's wise request of impartiality, Kelemvor takes a very Lawful Neutral stance concerning petitioners and the like. that is to say, his outlook on death is now heavilly regimented and plays no favorites, though i suspect his faithful and Jergal receieve their own special accolades once they pass through the Fugue Plane and go through "soul processesing" as it were.

the petitioners of Jergal and Kelemvor, i'd imagine, to be the safest in the Plane. they are proof positive serving a True god and surely were not faithless. and to boot, it's not a wildly popular faith to revere among the LIVING on the Faerun, so, sticking to your guns w/ such obvious proof and espousing their tenets while alive yourself, you should be looking at a fairly comfortable, if not fulfilling afterlife.
now, the respective gods of the dead can't show favoritism before or during judgement. that is, all faithful from all the gods must get a fair day in court. after judgment though, you go w/ them and they can shower you w/ riches and eternal happiness, or put you to work filling in the Wall w/ other souls, etc. it all varies i suppose on the life you lived, but you stay w/ them though.

all of Faerun's dead must cycle through here and go through the circulation process Jergal laid out before they are ranked, filed, and designated as another god's faithful and sent to an envoy to take them to that god's respective plane of origin.
that is, after dying and transition, you go to the Fugue Plane to await judgement. Jergal pulls your file so to speak, ushers you up, reads your life's deeds and so forth before Kelemvor where you are judged and sent on your way...in this case, you go nowhere if your patron diety was one of these 2. that is, Fugue Plane is their home plane.

largely, what i'm guessing is after judgement is pronounced, you are given your eternal reward in typical LN fashion and are enlisted to help in the growth and maintainence of the plane overall. the Devils are FORBIDDEN to mess w/ any of the gods' faithful, especially Jergal's and Kelemvor's. they have a working arrangement w/ Kelemvor/Jergal to mete out punishment to those "deserving", not randomly terrorizing souls. that's what the invading demons do, and the devils help fend them off in much the same way i'd imagine all of Jergal/Kelemvor's faithful do as well.

otherwise, wouldn't randomly punishing yoru loyal followers w/ fiendish outsiders set a bad precident? no, their faithful, particularly the clerics and the like would be well taken care off. basically becoming orderlies, helping other souls get to their god's planes, filing away scrolls of the dead for Jergal, helping to build the Wall, driving out demons, spying out Cyricist loyalists, serving as go-between between living and dead, etc. pretty wide open experience really, but that's the beauty of Death as a portfolio. it has endless possibilities and i would think the karmic rewards for their faithful would be ironclad.
#3
kevreklaw
Mar 25, 2008 17:13:16 IMO,when i paly a paladin of kelemvor and when he died he went to the city of the damned and helped with people being judged,like"hello,welcome to the after life,follow me and someone of your god will be here shortly to take you home"

or in the faithless reguards,"hello,follow me,-put subject into wall-,now your soul will be the very protection of this city"
#4
1_ton_ghost
Mar 25, 2008 19:18:41
IMO,when i paly a paladin of kelemvor and when he died he went to the city of the damned and helped with people being judged,like"hello,welcome to the after life,follow me and someone of your god will be here shortly to take you home"

or in the faithless reguards,"hello,follow me,-put subject into wall-,now your soul will be the very protection of this city"

actually, you've guessed at a very likely, dare-i-say, intelligent afterlife for the faithful of Kelemvor. little death god's helper monkies.
#5
kevreklaw
Mar 26, 2008 10:53:51
actually, you've guessed at a very likely, dare-i-say, intelligent afterlife for the faithful of Kelemvor. little death god's helper monkies.

+ you get to beat down the outsiders who try to steal the souls from the wall as well,so you get it all,an after life of seeing damnation,beating down abyssal theives,and telling people's soul where they go when they die

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#1 akordya Mar 21, 2008 10:29:07	In the FR campaign me and friends are playing (the 3 books ending with Anauroch empire of shade) I am a lawful-good cleric of Kelemvor. So far I have been the moral strength of the group with my words of wisdom, and almost paladin-like dedication to our cause. Our group is very roleplay oriented with hours passed in discussions about many things, and since there is also a paladin of Lathander in the group, a lot of topics turns around religion. Now my problem is concerning my own god Kelemvor. What happens to a cleric of Kelemvor when she dies? From the players guide to Faerun page 152-153: *the souls of the Faithless form a living wall around the city of Judgment, while the souls of the False are sentenced to servitude within the city, where they are sometimes tortured by devils.* But what happens to the faithful of Kelemvor and Jergal? Are they to live in that city and risk falling prey to the devils too?
#2 1_ton_ghost Mar 21, 2008 11:58:05	at Jergal's wise request of impartiality, Kelemvor takes a very Lawful Neutral stance concerning petitioners and the like. that is to say, his outlook on death is now heavilly regimented and plays no favorites, though i suspect his faithful and Jergal receieve their own special accolades once they pass through the Fugue Plane and go through "soul processesing" as it were. the petitioners of Jergal and Kelemvor, i'd imagine, to be the safest in the Plane. they are proof positive serving a True god and surely were not faithless. and to boot, it's not a wildly popular faith to revere among the LIVING on the Faerun, so, sticking to your guns w/ such obvious proof and espousing their tenets while alive yourself, you should be looking at a fairly comfortable, if not fulfilling afterlife. now, the respective gods of the dead can't show favoritism before or during judgement. that is, all faithful from all the gods must get a fair day in court. after judgment though, you go w/ them and they can shower you w/ riches and eternal happiness, or put you to work filling in the Wall w/ other souls, etc. it all varies i suppose on the life you lived, but you stay w/ them though. all of Faerun's dead must cycle through here and go through the circulation process Jergal laid out before they are ranked, filed, and designated as another god's faithful and sent to an envoy to take them to that god's respective plane of origin. that is, after dying and transition, you go to the Fugue Plane to await judgement. Jergal pulls your file so to speak, ushers you up, reads your life's deeds and so forth before Kelemvor where you are judged and sent on your way...in this case, you go nowhere if your patron diety was one of these 2. that is, Fugue Plane is their home plane. largely, what i'm guessing is after judgement is pronounced, you are given your eternal reward in typical LN fashion and are enlisted to help in the growth and maintainence of the plane overall. the Devils are FORBIDDEN to mess w/ any of the gods' faithful, especially Jergal's and Kelemvor's. they have a working arrangement w/ Kelemvor/Jergal to mete out punishment to those "deserving", not randomly terrorizing souls. that's what the invading demons do, and the devils help fend them off in much the same way i'd imagine all of Jergal/Kelemvor's faithful do as well. otherwise, wouldn't randomly punishing yoru loyal followers w/ fiendish outsiders set a bad precident? no, their faithful, particularly the clerics and the like would be well taken care off. basically becoming orderlies, helping other souls get to their god's planes, filing away scrolls of the dead for Jergal, helping to build the Wall, driving out demons, spying out Cyricist loyalists, serving as go-between between living and dead, etc. pretty wide open experience really, but that's the beauty of Death as a portfolio. it has endless possibilities and i would think the karmic rewards for their faithful would be ironclad.
#3 kevreklaw Mar 25, 2008 17:13:16	IMO,when i paly a paladin of kelemvor and when he died he went to the city of the damned and helped with people being judged,like"hello,welcome to the after life,follow me and someone of your god will be here shortly to take you home" or in the faithless reguards,"hello,follow me,-put subject into wall-,now your soul will be the very protection of this city"
#4 1_ton_ghost Mar 25, 2008 19:18:41	IMO,when i paly a paladin of kelemvor and when he died he went to the city of the damned and helped with people being judged,like"hello,welcome to the after life,follow me and someone of your god will be here shortly to take you home" or in the faithless reguards,"hello,follow me,-put subject into wall-,now your soul will be the very protection of this city" actually, you've guessed at a very likely, dare-i-say, intelligent afterlife for the faithful of Kelemvor. little death god's helper monkies.
#5 kevreklaw Mar 26, 2008 10:53:51	actually, you've guessed at a very likely, dare-i-say, intelligent afterlife for the faithful of Kelemvor. little death god's helper monkies. + you get to beat down the outsiders who try to steal the souls from the wall as well,so you get it all,an after life of seeing damnation,beating down abyssal theives,and telling people's soul where they go when they die