1. Why was Cyric imprisioned for just following his office by bringing murder among even the gods?(No imprisonment for killing Leira)
2. Why didn't he absorb Mystra(midnights) essence when he killed her. (This Mystra is a brand new entity created by Ao because he couldn't bring the other one back. Hence Shar and Selunes essence that was in That Mystra should have been returned to them then)
3. It is Shar that is becoming to powerful and will be dealt with when Cyric is released. 900 yrs is a mere blink of an eye to a god.
4.Come on I dare you to name a cooler god of the realm.
Mystra: Oh my precious humans can't let anything bad happen to them
Lloth: Whaaaa I want all the drow
Shar : I know I'll just sit back and let others do the work and I'll take credit because I'm too scared to do it myself
Kelemvor: There's no joy in muddville blah blah blah
Ohgma: My knowledge is to precious BOOORING
Helm: I'm the gaurd of guarding but I'm not going to guard the blow that kills me.
Tyr: My best friend calls my girl a *(#$ so I kill him.
And the list goes on. The only god that is actually almost as cool as Cyric is Asmodeus for killing and eating Azuth with some Fava beans and a nice Cianti
So to the rest of the pantheon I say BEWARE again.
Ok. Here we go.
1. Why was Cyric imprisioned for just following his office by bringing murder among even the gods?(No imprisonment for killing Leira)
2. Why didn't he absorb Mystra(midnights) essence when he killed her. (This Mystra is a brand new entity created by Ao because he couldn't bring the other one back. Hence Shar and Selunes essence that was in That Mystra should have been returned to them then)
3. It is Shar that is becoming to powerful and will be dealt with when Cyric is released. 900 yrs is a mere blink of an eye to a god.
So to the rest of the pantheon I say BEWARE again.
1:because Tyr , was the Judge, Jury and Executioner at the Trial of Cyric and like Cyric did as his portfolio dictated, Cyric murdered, Tyr brought justice to Cyric and jailed him.
2: ahhh but Midnight took what was left of Mystra, so you see when Cyric offed Midnight/Mystra, that would of been it, just Midnight, the essence of Mystra went back to Shar and selune, what was once theirs is now again.
4: more propaganda and lies.
5: anyone want a copy of Shar's Secret Pillow book.
it contains unimaginable scenes of horror
Had I been presiding, I would have smashed his lil' pinky toe with my gavel then banished his a$$ altogether.
Damn Spellplague.
Ok I remember Ao wanting to take Mystras magic from Midnight but changed his mind. Since when is a god's miight/magic their essence? Who Mystra was may have been created by Shar and Selune not her power. Midnight/Mystra had her own essence created when she was born and it was enhanced to divine essence through Ao. So I still believe that Midnight became a entirely new god of magic.(unless the weave was created by Shar and Selune?)
Mystryl was created by Shar/Selûne. Karsus killed Mystryl and Mystra was born from the ashes. If you read Ed's Shadows of the Avatar trilogy, you find that Mystra saw her death coming from the Time of Troubles and sent a portion of her divine essence into Midnight to prepare. So when Midnight ascended, she was still partially Mystra, not an entirely new god.
Who is Cyric?
Joke all you want. When Avner(former seraph of Mask)breaks Cyric out we will see who's laughing.(Don't underestimate Avner He broke Mystra out under Helms watch)
Mystryl was created by Shar/Selûne. Karsus killed Mystryl and Mystra was born from the ashes. If you read Ed's Shadows of the Avatar trilogy, you find that Mystra saw her death coming from the Time of Troubles and sent a portion of her divine essence into Midnight to prepare. So when Midnight ascended, she was still partially Mystra, not an entirely new god.
Ah I see and stand corrected. I thought it was only a portion of her power not her being.
It doesn't matter give that portion back to Shar and Selune and the rest to Cyric.
Joke all you want. When Avner(former seraph of Mask)breaks Cyric out we will see who's laughing.(Don't underestimate Avner He broke Mystra out under Helms watch)
I just wanted to know who Cyric is, and not what's the other guy supposed to do. Now you make me to ask two questions this time.
1) Who is Cyric?
2) And who the hell is this Avner?
When you create a Spellplague, then punishment is that much harsher. All there is to it.
Had I been presiding, I would have smashed his lil' pinky toe with my gavel then banished his a$$ altogether.
Damn Spellplague.
IfShar should be banished.
I just wanted to know who Cyric is, and not what's the other guy supposed to do. Now you make me to ask two questions this time.
1) Who is Cyric?
2) And who the hell is this Avner?
Lol. Sorry thought you were joking.
Ok Cyric is a greater evil deity. God of Lies,Strife,Murder,Assassins,Deceit,Insanity. He was imprisoned for a 1000 years for the murder of Mystra.
2. Avner was a shade in the novel"Crucible Trial of Cyric the mad. He was in Kelemvors city of death and Mask claims he worshipped him in life well to make a long story short Avner was given a task to save him from punishment and the task was to free Mystra from Helms prison.
1. Why was Cyric imprisioned for just following his office by bringing murder among even the gods?(No imprisonment for killing Leira)
-A good point. We don't know the answer. Because the "plot needed it", most likely. When the "plot needs something", rules get thrown out. Evidence of that is all around.
2. Why didn't he absorb Mystra(midnights) essence when he killed her. (This Mystra is a brand new entity created by Ao because he couldn't bring the other one back. Hence Shar and Selunes essence that was in That Mystra should have been returned to them then)
-See above. Technically, sure, Cyric should have absorbed her portfolio and such, or she should have been reborn. Perhaps Cyric intentionally didn't absorb it, though, because he didn't want to become "tainted" by allowing some essence of Mystra/Midnight in him.
3. It is Shar that is becoming to powerful and will be dealt with when Cyric is released. 900 yrs is a mere blink of an eye to a god.
-Yes, Shar has certainly had the wheels turning in her evil plot for the past bunch of years now.
4.Come on I dare you to name a cooler god of the realm.
-Karsus. Or Blibdoolpoolp!
-Karsus. Or Blibdoolpoolp!
Personally, I think Ghaunadaur is pretty damn kickass, especially after the entry for the Year of the Lost Keep in GHotR:
Lolth plots against her rivals in the drow pantheon. The Spider Queen attempts to destroy Ghaunadaur, but Ghaunadaur proves to be a stronger and more ancient power than Lolth suspected. The slime god abandons the Demonweb Pits for the Deep Caverns.
Anything that Lolth seriously underestimates is pretty sweet!
So they didn't imprisson him from a position of strength but by taking advantage of their millenias of exprience with how the planar fabric works and imprissoned him through a trick the younger deity simply didn't know about.
Now they huddle in shear terror of the day when Cyric figures out how to undo his imprissionment or even worse happens and Cyric simply adjusts to all this new power that recently flowed into him and simply tears the planar fabric apart like a tissue of paper and breaks free through pure power
I wouldn't want them to hurt themselves....
CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC CYRIC -Yes lets free the Master! :D
18DELTA (CHOSEN OF HE WHO WAS WRONGLY IMPRISONED!) :P
Aye. Shar. But she doesn't need him yet.
Cyric might gained enough worship to empower himself to adjust his own jailcell. [How do you imprison a god anyway?]
18DELTA (CYRIC MUST BE FREED!) :P
What where you saying?
:P
An epic tier adventure is all that's needed to free Cyric.
18DELTA (CYRIC MUST BE FREED!) :P
Right my lord 18DELTA! Free Cyric! Free Cyric! Wrongly imprisoned for a crime he did commit! :D
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she also ate Mask.
Dont forgetShowshe also ate Mask.
So who owns the portfolio that holds deception? Cyric. And, as he hates Mystra, he's willing to bite on any secret Shar will offer him that will be the weapon to Mystra's demise. He agrees to her terms--whatever they are. All he needs is vengeance
He slays Mystra, her power is unleashed. But Shar, not remotely expecting such a backlash, can't hold onto the Weave or the Shadow Weave as they recombine--and she loses it.
That works for me with a little plaster.
Alright, Shar is the power over the Shadow Weave. But as her followers return (Netheril) and begin to expand, such power is already not enough. You need the Weave. What do you have to do to get it? Be deceptive enough to get in and backside Mystra.
So who owns the portfolio that holds deception? Cyric. And, as he hates Mystra, he's willing to bite on any secret Shar will offer him that will be the weapon to Mystra's demise. He agrees to her terms--whatever they are. All he needs is vengeance
He slays Mystra, her power is unleashed. But Shar, not remotely expecting such a backlash, can't hold onto the Weave or the Shadow Weave as they recombine--and she loses it.
That works for me with a little plaster.
Ok. I'll go with that. But at the very least Shar should be imprisoned as well for being an accessory.
I really hope Avner can free Cyric out of Revenge for Shar absorbing his former master.
Time in prison=1000 yrs
Time building up anger at betrayal=1000yrs
Time conserving power=1000yrs
Revenge against Shar=Timeless
Shar really doesn't know how Evil Cyric can be but she will learn and Tyr is lucky he has already perished.(Though Cyric is so crafty and ingenius that he will probably find a way to bring him back so he can beat him down himself)
Cyric is getting to be mindless as another god of murder....
The Lord of murder shall perish, in his wake shall spawn a horde of mortal prodigy, chaos shall be sown in their passing.
So sayeth the wise( insert new seerer here).
out with the Bhallspawn, in with the dreaded Cyricspawn of doom.
good thing we worships Deekin exarch of Ogmha
doom doom doom doom doomity doom
you is all doomed
Please, Cyric is about as Stupid Evil as you can get... were it not for the plot armor, he'd have been doomed long ago. :P
Well, if you compare Prince of Lies and Crucible with the Avatar Trilogy, the Pools of [...] Trilogy and the Moonshaes Trilogy, Cyric is far brighter than Bane and Bhaal have ever been.
Well, if you compare Prince of Lies and Crucible with the Avatar Trilogy, the Pools of [...] Trilogy and the Moonshaes Trilogy, Cyric is far brighter than Bane and Bhaal have ever been.
What an achievement. But I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at all, since the things he achieved in life were also quite tremendous, e.g. being a 6th lvl thug.
Heretics, Blasphemers. When Cyric is done with Shar he will turn all of you into Shriekers. In the Underdark to be eaten by rothe. Then to be digest turned into fertilzer to grow into new Shrieker mushrooms again and again and will feel every bit of it.
Yes what he said. :D
Remember the Cyrinishad.
The Bible of the One True God.
O Great Lord,
One day, the people see you're Greatness and Wisdom
Amen
Cyric might spend his time making himself useful by penning a reimagined dogma, observing the Far Realm for any consistancy and allies, and practising his murderous illusory magics.
Ok. I'll go with that. But at the very least Shar should be imprisoned as well for being an accessory.
She’s the goddess of secrets. As always, Shar was “presumed” to be part of Mystra’s murder.
Nobody really knows for sure.
Heretics, Blasphemers. When Cyric is done with Shar he will turn all of you into Shriekers. In the Underdark to be eaten by rothe. Then to be digest turned into fertilzer to grow into new Shrieker mushrooms again and again and will feel every bit of it.
Are you about to go Drizztmanchild of Cyric now?
Seems to be the fad lately.
What an achievement. But I suppose I shouldn't be surprised at all, since the things he achieved in life were also quite tremendous, e.g. being a 6th lvl thug.
See? 2e wasn’t enough, so we went to 3e. Then everyone got "all powerful" and sh*t.
Omen.
Cyric might spend his time making himself useful by penning a reimagined dogma, observing the Far Realm for any consistancy and allies, and practising his murderous illusory magics.
Or, he may just still be running scared from the Chaos Hound.
The Chaos hound is just Cyric's little puppy who misses his owner.
Or, he may just still be running scared from the Chaos Hound.
That was Mask's thing, not Cyric's
That was Mask's thing, not Cyric's
Ah, that's right.
Hell, it's only been ten plus years since I read the book--could have been Shar for all I remember.
Why do I recall Cyric and not Mask running around in Pandemonium like a mad man? Oh, well....
Due time I read these books again, I guess.
Why do I recall Cyric and not Mask running around in Pandemonium like a mad man? Oh, well....
-Cyric did hang out in Pandemonium. It was his "kingdom".
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-Cyric did hang out in Pandemonium. It was his "kingdom".
-Kinda like this forum?
18DELTA (Chosen of yes you guessed it, Lord Cyric!) :D
1. Why was Cyric imprisioned for just following his office by bringing murder among even the gods?(No imprisonment for killing Leira)
with when Cyric is released. 900 yrs is a mere blink of an eye to a god.
You're so right about that point...and i still hope, that Hoar/Assuran will be following his office of revenge and stab Cyric to death while he is still chained to his Supreme Throne, because no other God, besides Shar (with whom Cyric shares resposibility for the Spellplague), does deserve to be the target of revenge more than that useless, overblown lunatic.
Bring back Mystra and the next time you need a world-altering event kill off Cyric! A Chaosplague gets the job done as well.
And in any event: Kill off Cyric anyway...
Lirdolin
To die in the service of The Dark Son is reward enough! :P FREE LORD CYRIC! ;)
Within the domain of the 'Supreme Throne' the god Cyric the Black Sun is laughing and shriking maniacally at the shadows his insane mind creates. Suddenly one of these shadowy spectres does step closer and Cyric does stop his ranting unsure if this is just imagined as he realizes who is standing before him.
"Have you come to free me?"
"Yes Lord Cyric I've come to release you from your prison."
Cyric laughs manically: "Then the hour of revenge has come at last! Now those pathetic fools will pay for letting me rot here for doing what is my nature...my divine right!"
"I'm glad you understand Lord Cyric. That our kind must act according to our divine missions given to us by Lord Ao."
The stranger steps closer,beginning to speak with a growl that builds into shouting: "Transgressor...Betrayer...Defiler.. . I'm Assuran the God of Revenge and I shall punish you!!!"
Cyric's eyes widen in horror, as sudden clarity washes over him.
The God of Revenge, known today as Hoar to his followers, plundges his blade into the mad god's heart: "This is for Mystra!" -stabs him again- "This is for Unther!" - and again...and again...and again...
As Assuran is leaving the Supreme Throne, the domain begins to crumbel to dust and Cyric, true to his portfolio, in death commits one last murder, as all his clerics, chosen and exarchs die, their skulls burning with black flames.
Assuran/Hoar, coated with blood and burning with the divine energy of a greater god, turns one last time seeing the Supreme Throne dissolve into the Astral Sea.
"And now for Shar..."
Free Cyric.
"Cry Havoc and let loose the dogs of war"
Free Lord Cyric! ;)
and show the crazy Cyricans....
Born in mortal form, this deity has whined his way to stardom, weaselled his way to might, and now is worshipped by more of the very weasels he was once like.
If we release Cyric, we will have a land of whiners, inspired by the sleaziest of out of practices, including thousands of pages of forbidden Mystra/Cyric porn written by his priests!
Really, this deity makes no sense, and they desperately need to get rid of him.
To be serious here for a sec. Tyr was the God of Justice right? Well who's the god of Justice now? Cyric has the right to be re-tried based on the subsequent actions of Tyr "murdering" (yes i said murdering) Helm in an "accidental" duel. Since the facts of Mystra's murder are not fully known it is quite possible that Cyric challenged Mystra to a duel and in said process of the duel Shar(unbeknownst to Cyric) distracted Mystra thereby causing Cyric to deliver an "accidental" killing blow which had Mystra not been distracted by Shar couldve easily repelled.
The motion for a re-trial is put forward do i hear a second?
The above statement is a THEORY of what MIGHT have happened. And until full disclosure by an author or WotC as to what really happened can be considered quite plausible.
Let Cyric be Free.
Cyric did not whine his way to power. He plotted killed and betrayed his way to Godhood.
Cyric, the Loser God.
Born in mortal form, this deity has whined his way to stardom, weaselled his way to might, and now is worshipped by more of the very weasels he was once like.
If we release Cyric, we will have a land of whiners, inspired by the sleaziest of out of practices, including thousands of pages of forbidden Mystra/Cyric porn written by his priests!
Really, this deity makes no sense, and they desperately need to get rid of him.
Actually the people who wrote him could have done better. He can be a cool diety if the correct writer or DM handles him so.
He did kill a god of murder on his own though. Yes he was manipulated but he did not know the sword was an Avatar. He had thw stones to take on an Avatar of the god of MURDER. That is pretty cool.
As a mortal, Midnight should have had one of her magic fits and screamed "Get away from me, you creepy stalker freak!" and he should have exploded in a half-dozen meteor swarms.
I wish I was kidding, but if you saw how those novels were written, I'm pretty sure you would agree with me.
Imagination is only beneficial if it's couched in logic.
Oh, but so many people have it!
As a mortal, Midnight should have had one of her magic fits and screamed "Get away from me, you creepy stalker freak!" and he should have exploded in a half-dozen meteor swarms.
As I remember, she didn't actually hold the power herself at that time to do such a thing.
I wish I was kidding, but if you saw how those novels were written, I'm pretty sure you would agree with me.
Read 'em. And though it has been a while--a long while--not sure I do.
I can see the Midnight to Mystra succession. That will work for me.
Cyric? Yeah. That, too--until Prince of Lies. Ultimately, Mask should have wiped out Cyric.
So what if he was a weak mortal character, what all novel characters should be tough guys?
Free the Dark Sun!
Cyric should only be freed if Finder Wyvernspur can kill him and take some of his divine power to ascend back to full godhood.
Finder is a punk!
Cyric should only be freed if Finder Wyvernspur can kill him and take some of his divine power to ascend back to full godhood.
No lesser Deity can defeat Cyric(Lord of so many Spheres) much less a being who is not fully a god!
Quick question though. Does Cyric have any Exarchs?
Supposedly, neither could a mortal... but look who got where... all depends on who the author is rooting for though. :P
If we are talking about ToT. I really wouldn't call them gods per se just really powerful arch mages.
No lesser Deity can defeat Cyric(Lord of so many Spheres) much less a being who is not fully a god!
Quick question though. Does Cyric have any Exarchs?
Finder took out Moander back when he was just a mortal. Now that his power's been stepped up to Exarch, if nothing else, I'm sure he could take on Cyric, particularly if he's managed to keep a hold of Tymora's good graces.
Even if he couldn't, though, I'm pretty sure Bane would have something to say about a loose cannon like Cyric running around free. And considering Bane's the one deity powerful enough to hack his way into the core pantheon, I'm sure he can smack around the upstart Cyric with little trouble.
Of course, what's really going to happen is the primordials from Abeir are finally going to awaken, there's going to be a whole new Godswar, and the smoking remains of the Realms are going to become Fifth edition - and it'll all be Cyric's fault. Then he'll be crucified by all the the people who hate edition changes. ;)
As to the primordials you could have a point there so here you go
;)Finder took out Moander back when he was just a mortal. Now that his power's been stepped up to Exarch, if nothing else, I'm sure he could take on Cyric, particularly if he's managed to keep a hold of Tymora's good graces.
Well, Finder had help, so your case isn't valid. :whatsthis
Those Cyricist archdemons/angels would likely be key to his dealings with his mortal worshippers. Some might be vying for exarch status. His subjects might even be overruled better because of this renewed hierarchy filled with dynamic competition.
Well, Finder had help, so your case isn't valid. :whatsthis
And who's to say he can't get help again? That's part of the reason I mentioned holding onto Tymora's good graces, after all.
And who's to say he can't get help again? That's part of the reason I mentioned holding onto Tymora's good graces, after all.
Finder, with the help he had, slew a demigod who was already almost dead before Finder even arrived on his domain. Moander was too weak to move when Finder put an end to his missery.
About the exarchs of the One and All, maybe he'll release Malik el Sami yn Nasser back into the world to do his work (after all, he did a very impressive job considering his ablilites and who he was up against)
And who's to say he can't get help again? That's part of the reason I mentioned holding onto Tymora's good graces, after all.
You're reachin'.
Mrtyl? Mrtyl? Is that you?
And who's to say he can't get help again? That's part of the reason I mentioned holding onto Tymora's good graces, after all.
Ok so Lesser Deity+Exarch vs Greater Deity still = Dead Exarch. Btw who do you think was responsible for sending Azuth to Asmodeus?
Maybe Finder could end up the same way.You're reachin'.
Mrtyl? Mrtyl? Is that you?
You know if Stigger is taking tacos away from you I wouldn't put it past him to bribe Mrtyl to h
your 
maybe you should do some
and find out.;)-Right, so can we get back to the topic, or what resembles one?
LK. I think this thread may have run its course. I don't know how to move it to where it can fade out and die gracefully.
Honestly though, the thread ran its course after the 1st post. ;)
unlimited supply of chocolate milk for all
You're reachin'.
Mrtyl? Mrtyl? Is that you?
Darn straight I'm reaching. I'd just rather have the one actually cool mortal to have ascended in my time reading FR who stayed cool once ascended (Bane doesn't count, it was too long ago) make a comeback. Cyric was cool in precisely one short story. Finder actually managed to sneak into Sigil.
You know if Stigger is taking tacos away from you I wouldn't put it past him to bribe Mrtyl to h
I’ll switch to cheeseburgers and scotch. Matters not. :whatsthis
I wouldn't do that... I want him to be inebriated. It helps to mask the pain until its too late.
-Right, so can we get back to the topic, or what resembles one?
Cyris stole my CENSORED whiskey.
There. Back on topic. :D
Darn straight I'm reaching. I'd just rather have the one actually cool mortal to have ascended in my time reading FR who stayed cool once ascended (Bane doesn't count, it was too long ago) make a comeback. Cyric was cool in precisely one short story. Finder actually managed to sneak into Sigil.
Oh, I’m all for that. But Mystra went goody, Cyric went screwy, and Kelevmore went boring.
How cool are any of them?
Oh, I’m all for that. But Mystra went goody, Cyric went screwy, and Kelevmore went boring.
How cool are any of them?
Like I said. Finder's the only cool one left.
Before 4e Cyric was the only one who actually involved himself in plots with gods and mortals alike. Now they all want to join the fun. Any god that can dim the light that is Ao even though he was insane and had visions of granduer from reading the Holiest of tomes is pretty bada$$ in my book.
Not to mention that merely appearing at this special meeting place through own powers and not having to rely on daddy Ao to lead you there while holding your hand so that you don't get lost for all eterniy is pretty awesome too.
cyris who is cyris?
God of false stupidity, madness, and retardedness.
Like I said. Finder's the only cool one left.
Are you the biggest nerd in school?
Finder? Give me a CENSORED break.
1. Why was Cyric imprisioned for just following his office by bringing murder among even the gods?(No imprisonment for killing Leira)
Because he didn't just kill another deity, he caused the cosmos to become unstable. Remember, the Weave is what held the planes in their proper places, and when Mystra died, the planes went haywire, causing the deaths of several other deities as a result, the ascension of the strongest archdevil to divinity, and a cataclysm to rival the Abeir-Toril separation.
2. Why didn't he absorb Mystra(midnights) essence when he killed her. (This Mystra is a brand new entity created by Ao because he couldn't bring the other one back. Hence Shar and Selunes essence that was in That Mystra should have been returned to them then)
Because he couldn't? Not all deaths of a deity result in the victor being able to just grab their power. When Helm killed Mystra, he didn't get it.
Also, the battle between Shar and Selune created Mystryl, but it wasn't a deliberate act on their part. That essence ceased to be theirs when it become Mystryl's. If the death of Mystryl would have given Shar or Selune back their lost essence, it would have occurred during Karsus' folly.
4.Come on I dare you to name a cooler god of the realm.
I agree. I like Cyric above the other Realms' gods.
Helm: I'm the gaurd of guarding but I'm not going to guard the blow that kills me.
More like: I'm the god of guardians, but I can't defeat a deity that is way more powerful than me and also my boss.
Tyr: My best friend calls my girl a *(#$ so I kill him.
More like: It has come to my attention that the friend I sent to court my future wife has been pressing his own suit instead, so as the god of justice I will demand satisfaction for this betrayal.
He has nothing on Westorion(sp???) the god of death, war and strife from another world outside of dnd.
after all he has a kewl winged horse and what does Cyric have, nothing but a 1000 year prison sentence ......
KILL the Black Sun
by holy Hoar it will be so.
So it has been Said
So it Will Come to pass
So sayeth me
I puted something aweful in you god's temple
Oh you poor deluded mislead creature. Haven't you realized yet that there are no other gods more powerful than the "DND" gods and of those the FR pantheon :P are:P the most powerful. And Lord Cyric killed "The Hoar" hence his 1000 yr sentence which is getting shorter every sec.
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and says you.
all roads lead to death, and even gods must die.
your lord cyric is on cocaine
. But I think "is" was correct as I was using the "pantheon" as a individual entity.And of course he is. You have to be in order to cope with the changes in 4e
and in 900 years, he will have to admit the truth, the supreme throne will be filled with divine fecal matter, wall to wall dung, urine stains in every corner.
torn pages of unimaginable poses of Cyric and Shar doing yoga nude and who knows what else.
the truth he is not
and in 900 years, he will have to admit the truth, the supreme throne will be filled with divine fecal matter, wall to wall dung, urine stains in every corner.
torn pages of unimaginable poses of Cyric and Shar doing yoga nude and who knows what else.
Ah. A very scatalogical mental picture you have in your head. What exactly does divine fecal matter look like? I'm thinking it resembles gods not associated with "Dnd" but that's a topic for another thread and surely not allowed in these forums.;)
Sfdragon: Blah. blah, blah.... ;)
DrizztManThing: Blah. blah, blah.... ;)
Sfdragon: Blah. blah, blah.... :D
DrizztManThing: Blah. blah, blah.... :D
JudgeDookie: Just shut the CENSORED up.
Will you two shut the CENSORED up?
Sfdragon: Blah. blah, blah.... ;)
DrizztManThing: Blah. blah, blah.... ;)
Sfdragon: Blah. blah, blah.... :D
DrizztManThing: Blah. blah, blah.... :D
JudgeDookie: Just shut the CENSORED up.
in the words of the flight attendant on my plane trip home after he was saying the do's and donts.
dont damage the smoke detectors in the restrooms, blah blah blah blah, you dont pay attention and neither do I.
in the words of the flight attendant on my plane trip home after he was saying the do's and donts.
dont damage the smoke detectors in the restrooms, blah blah blah blah, you dont pay attention and neither do I.
In the words of me: Huh?
A plane is about to go down and you give me those CENSORED directions?
I got nothing(shrug)Good to know some things just don't change much...
Slacker.
*sigh*
Good to know some things just don't change much...
Pepsi has a new logo. I think it looks pretty.
Free Lord Cyric
In fact, if we were in prison together, he'd be pickin' up my soap.
Cyric must die
sith spit
Now, how WotC concludes that Cyric is once again insane after The Crucible, I'm not entirely sure. Granted, WotC could use the lame logic that Cyric was always nutty. Despite this, to claim that Cyric is insane, at least in Western legal circles, to some extent lessens his culpability and monstrosity. IMHO, Cyric should be as sane as can be. This makes him a far more credible and fearsome god. Why? In part because Cyric would then make a LOGICAL CHOICE to promote murder (perhaps like the Indian mythos' Kali, he murders to clear room for the incoming young, this would make his monstrous, but also a necessary force of [human?] nature). People who murder on purpose should be feared (Hitler, Stalin, Che Guevara, terrorists, the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, BTK, etc.). This is the problem with what WotC's done. They've made Cyric (and murder) a laughing stock. Just look at some of the responses on this thread. Rather, to strike fear in the hearts of players, Cyric should be sane and promote murder to the nth degree.
I can see how many gods might fear Cyric because he caused a multiverse spanning event and therefore might want to imprison him or punish him for causing that event. I don't think he was tried for the murder of Midnight/Mystra (I may be REALLY wrong on this point) because when he was tried in The Crucible, he was found guilty of promoting his own portfolio, murder, and set free. If he's the god of murder, and he commits the ultimate murder, deicide, by killing Mystra, how is he not advancing his portfolio? Also, to me, it was really weak for WotC to claim that killing ONE goddess that is limited to ONE realm caused a shift in the entire multiverse. Seems to me they needed an excuse to screw up the planes and alignments, so they grasped at a straw.
Currently, I'm writing an adventure that takes PCs from levels 1-30 on their own quest to free Cyric to provide a counter-balance to Bane (even Paladins of Bahamut would want to halt or reverse the inexorable march of Bane's increasing and expanding tyranny when he's only really half-heartedly opposed by Shar who is consumed with hatred of Selune and the noobie Azmodeus who has his fingers in too many plots to keep close tabs on Faerun). It saddens me that WotC would never publish such an adventure or that it would never be included in LFR, but IMHO, it's their loss.
In the end, WotC could do so much more with Cyric and they're really failing with him.
I guess I need to bone up on my Spellplague years history because I've only recently found out that Tyr left the Realms altogether (granted, he wasn't listed in the FRCS) and I've gotten conflicting reports that Mask either left the Realms or was destroyed. Looking forward to LOGICAL debate on the issue, not just more "Hail and Free Cyric!" and "Cyric is a loser!" chatter.
1. Something/someone prevented the accension of a new Mystra(god or godess of magic)
2. The "traitor" was released from his prison.
Now while it is unknown if Cyric played a part in the 2 incidences above it still doesn't negate the fact that he deserves a re-trial with whoever has taken Tyr's place.
Also Cyric still has control over quite a few spheres which should make him a powerful Greater Deity(as of 3.5e he was the god of murder,strife and discord, insanity,Deception, and intrigue)
In the 3rd ed Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting (FRCS), Cyric's portfolio is murder, lies, intrigue, deception, & illusion. His clerical domains are Chaos, Destruction, Evil, Illusion, and Trickery. Still, no mention of Insanity or Madness as either a clerical domain or a portfolio. Once Bane consumed Iyachtu, Bane took strife from Cyric according to the FRCS.
In the 3rd ed Faiths and Pantheons, Bane still has strife. Cyric's listed portfolio is unchanged: murder, lies, intrigue, deception, & illusion. His clerical domains are also unchanged.
Come 4th edition, the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide states Cyric's sphere is Strife (p. 80)...apparently he reclaimed that from Bane somehow. An explanation would be nice, WotC. There are no clerical domains in 4e. Cyric is billed as the "god of strife and lies" on p. 74. Not only is he described as insane, but his followers are described as lunatics and speading insanity. Again, WotC has no STATED basis for this since Cyric was cured of his insanity by Malik in The Crucible. Again, WotC, explain yourself!
Now, I would argue that simply because he's described as insane, that doesn't mean he's the god of isanity. Yes, insane individuals might worship him, but that doesn't mean that he's the patron diety of the insane nor does it mean that he seeks to protect the insane or anything of the like. For instance, the patron god of houseplants or cheese could be as nutty as a squirrel, but it doesn't mean the insane are in his portfolio.
One final point in wrapping up. The 3rd ed Faiths and Pantheons states, "Cyric now views Bane as the greatest threat to his power, and the brewing war between these two lords of evil may eventually consume Faerun in a great holocaust." This statement taken in conjunction with the portfolios of the two gods Tyranny and Strife makes me think that Bane is the god of those who want to take power and impose order while Cyric struggles against tyranny. This HIGHLY reminds me of the struggle between Emperor Palpatine's evil Galactic Empire and the Rebels. Without Cyric to act as a foil to Bane, Bane should constantly strive to bring more and more governments under his sway. This reminds me of the Bloodwar, where lawful evil devils fought chaotic evil demons. While the two forces oppose one another, the upper planes were pretty much safe, but when evil is united under one flag, as Bane would do, and Tharizdun did in Gygax's Gord the Rogue series, evil will war on everything else until everthing falls under their control. WotC is missing out on EPIC strugle here by baselessly declaring Cyric insane and imprisoning him. Cyric needs to be free to oppose Bane and needs to be sane and logical to counteract Bane's lust for power and his orderly attempts to obtain it. ADHERE TO YOUR OWN CANON, WOTC! Get rid of the farce about Cyric's supposed insanity OR have Bane attempt to take over Faerun virtually unopposed.
...as they have been for so very long without anyone realizing it...
I realized it long long ago.... Pretty much the moment I started reading about the Vyshaan.
House Moonflower for the win!
Once Bane consumed Iyachtu, Bane took strife from Cyric according to the FRCS.
In the 3rd ed Faiths and Pantheons, Bane still has strife. Cyric's listed portfolio is unchanged: murder, lies, intrigue, deception, & illusion. His clerical domains are also unchanged.
Come 4th edition, the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide states Cyric's sphere is Strife (p. 80)...apparently he reclaimed that from Bane somehow. An explanation would be nice, WotC. There are no clerical domains in 4e. Cyric is billed as the "god of strife and lies" on p. 74.
No, he didn't. It was an error in the FRCS which also partly made it into F&P.
The confusion over the portfolio of Stife between Bane and Cyric started with the 3e FRCS which did falsely list strife among Bane's portfolios and not among Cyrics. While this error was corrected with the FRCS Errata (page 3) the error made it partly into Faiths&Pantheons (which contains the error at pages 14 and 20 but also got it right at page 223).
About the issue with F&P the following has been posted by Sean K. Reynolds at the WotC message boards at May 11, 2002 10:55 AM:
I think I figured it out. Here's the sequence.The designer for Bane must have used the pre-errata version (understandable, as the errata didn't come out until after this book was designed). [...] So no, Bane does not have strife as part of his portfolio, Cyric does.
Let's look at the realms from say the days of Netheril until the start of the spellplauge... WOW... I lost count on how many of them were killed, faded away, lost large portions of their power, etc.
Now I ask ya... still think its a drop in the bucket? It should be, but it ain't in FR.
;)
y'know, people keep saying that 1,000yrs is a drop in the bucket to a god....
-To their existence, being immortal beings, it is. To their followers, and the impact that all of them can have on the deity itself, no it's not.
I really don't see Cyric being made to serve out his full sentence. I sense a novel coming about this and his release coming.
-Probably.
-In game terms, every 1 1/2 to 2 years is supposed to be a year in Faerûn. Even with them jumping forward 104 years every so often, that, basically, would mean they never get to 1,000 years from now, when he'd get off. Maybe with "good behavior", he'd get off earlier, but still...
I'd like him murder every chicken on Toril after his escape, just so he could go, "Nah! Nah! Nah!! I killed all your poultry! Now you must eat goat for a thousand years!!" :evillaugh
Awesome, I say. Just awesome.
I also think that it's likely that WOTC will come up with some half baked plot that makes no sense that will involve Cyric escaping from his prison.
I think not.
I also think that it's likely that WOTC will come up with some half baked plot that makes no sense that will involve Cyric escaping from his prison.
-Nah, that'd never happen...
I dunno, after what WoTC did with the story of Mystra getting killed by Cyric, I'm sure that they could come up with something far worse than your idea.
Cue the mid level character with a hair-brained class build, to star in a novel trilogy that rearranges the cosmos, to enter stage left....
Damn you ORCS. Damn you to Bejebuz!
I need to lurk here more often.Cue the mid level character with a hair-brained class build, to star in a novel trilogy that rearranges the cosmos, to enter stage left....
How dare you spoil every novel in the Wotc library by revealing the plotline.
;)
Cue the mid level character with a hair-brained class build, to star in a novel trilogy that rearranges the cosmos, to enter stage left....
WELL GREAT! NOW I HAVE TO START ALL OVER! YOU JUST RUINED THE PLOT OF MY BOOK!
:D
I realized it long long ago.... Pretty much the moment I started reading about the Vyshaan.
House Moonflower for the win!
So did I, but I figured that after reading their description.
arrogant and proud...
never a good combo.
better to be a moon or a star elf and suffer from wanderlust.
Please, Cyric is about as Stupid Evil as you can get... were it not for the plot armor, he'd have been doomed long ago. :P
lol true, true!
Cyric has to tbe the dumbest shmuck of a god, well, the whole damned "avatar" rubbish from the Time of Troubles was dumb.
yes, three completely blah mediocrities somehow manage take over the portofilos of gods, and Cyric was the worst by far.
Puh-lease! He just sucks, how the hell could that wanna-be tosspot wipe out gods and get so far, eh?
Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul made sense and worked for me.
Then again, I guess I'm a double grognard, as I think the Realms was best before the Time of Troubles, never mind now ;)
Old rule of thumb: if it ain't broke, don't fix it!
How dare you spoil every novel in the Wotc library by revealing the plotline.
;)
Excuse me, you butt-schmuck.
I know you just had to be waiting for me to scold you for that.
anyway
Cyric made him do it.
Excuse me, you butt-schmuck.
I know you just had to be waiting for me to scold you for that.
Scold me
I wasn't the one in here spoiling the plotlines for future novels you pile of mousesnotNo Cyric didn't make me do it, I am perfectly able to form my own opinions
;)
And should the ORC'S decide to delete this post well I deserve it for putting something her that's against the conduct code
Where is my
chocolate milk?Is this a Prison Break episode involving the Nes-Quik Rabbit?
Scold me
The word "future" does not leave you unaccountable for your actions.
And I am a pile of rat drops, not "mousesnot" (which isn't even a word, I will point out
), you hamburger humper! Where is my
Myrtl. Who the hell else?
I need to find that...
I need to find that...
You think?
FREE LORD CYRIC
:D
you may keep murder and lies...
Lord AO awards Illusion to Oghma
Garl makes far more sense than Oghma... Strife should go to Shar... Cyric should go to the Astral for a nice bit of retirement in a graveyard...
I agree.
Hmm, I sense Cyric's followers shall make it so their Lord is free again within the first 100 years....
Come on, man!! What's a Dookie gotta do around here to keep a post dead!!!
yeah Garl would be better with illusion
but you should get Intrigue or what ever the one Cyric pillaged from Mask.
He'll go bored soon enough though, unless his scheming followers are amusing him. He'll eventually crave for sending endless vengefull, disguised avatars to the realms for some good old murderous mayhem. His targets would be Sune and Lathander/Aumantor this time.
Untill that time Cyric's divine mind might be trying to comprehends Ao's motives.
you're back?!. there are other threads to go pester you know? 
:P
you're back?!. there are other threads to go pester you know? :P
lord AO awards strife to Lord Bane.
I don't think that Bane would want it if he had anything to say about this. He now has this nice united church and having to create annother schism like back in the days of the banite church vs. the orthodox banite church is certainly the last thing he would want. Cyric's sects on the other hand thrive on this premise.
actually i think cyric is imprisoned because he's stark raving mad after reading the Cyrinshad or whatever that book he wrote he is called
He was healed long ago.
He was healed long ago.
really? the last things i read said he was still mad. you may be right though because i really can't remember what source is or how old it is
Yes... and let this one die in peace once more. :P
That would be too easy. :P
To the Letter of the LAW
;)
She actually owes you 200 gp from last year
Aren't at least 2 of the gods that imprisoned him dead(IMO the two main ones Helm(god of Gaurding!) and Tyr(God of his judgement!) )? The only thing that's keeping Cyric locked up is Cyric....
Not quite. Either Ao is involved on his imprisonment or the rest of the "pantheon" is. I would consider it much like when they put him on trial after the Cyrinishad debacle.
I was never gone, you pudding putts.
Well, I'm never actually "here" either, but that's besides the point.
Well, you pestered me by helping this one stay alive, so consider it a favor returned. ;)
I don't think that Bane would want it if he had anything to say about this. He now has this nice united church and having to create annother schism like back in the days of the banite church vs. the orthodox banite church is certainly the last thing he would want. Cyric's sects on the other hand thrive on this premise.
Good point. Strife and insanity work well together.
really? the last things i read said he was still mad. you may be right though because i really can't remember what source is or how old it is
He was "healed." But wasn't.
Make sense now?
There are conflicting stories on if he was actually healed or just faking/temporarily fixed. As of 4e, he is a mad god.
It is all part of LOSS. Yes I am bitter about it, but thats my Shar. :P
no; thats bob from accounting
cant say what shar's going to do to him over such a flaw.
(he forgot to put it on the contract)
It Torm God of justice, the threefold god, etc
who wields justice now, as Justice Endures when your puny dark lies are brought to the light.
Justice Endures, and to the Letter of the Law your Puny Cyric is bound to it, while his alleged conspirator laughs at him in the darkness.
Funny thing about people who live their lives in darkness though. When the light of the real world is shone upon them they tend to be truely blind
BTW on a serious note what happened to the staff that was used to slay Mystra?
He first is scorned and denied of his place amongst the intrigues of the fearunian pantheon, resulting in Cyric being forced the slaying and asurping of lesser gods. When he performes his own greatest deed by slaying "the Harlot" through deception and murder he gets ganged up apon by these decadent trio of so called allies to Mystra and grounded to his room.
Seething with anger with the way Cyric is constantly treated as a child god he must come to terms with his clergy and actually learn the skills of mediating murder and deception through his followers. Thats his only power now, and its a thriving one at that thanks to his ambitious and unscrupulous clergy.
That's something I don't agree with JD (the Ao factor) because Ao knew Cyric killed Leira and gave him a free pass saying it was him fulfilling his portfolio which included trying to snuff out other gods as well as bring murder to mortals.
Well, I’m not for or against, just sayin’. It’s Ao. He works in mysterious ways.
And in any Judgment cases Tyr had ultimate power to bind someone over for trial and enforce the sentence. So who now has that power and with magic being how it is now does that power exist still?
Seeing how all former pantheons and hierarchies therein have been tossed out, so have the rules. Besides, his sentence was instated before Tyr met the Great Bejebuz. Perhaps such a thing can’t be overturned.
Funny thing about people who live their lives in darkness though. When the light of the real world is shone upon them they tend to be truely blind
Very apt. I would change the wording a bit, but good.
If anything Cyric should be given more momentum in future realms plots....
Well, due to the lengthy and creative input you threw into your post, it’s obvious why Wizards don’t see a need.
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one minute it was playful banter between me and Stigg the next it's removed
For the sake of not getting posts removed I'm not going to re-post I know I have been :Ping Drizzit boy about his name all in good fun. Do I offened you when I poke fun at Drizzit and your username DMC?
I have been along time-lurker, and this place is alot better than it used to be. That one of the reasons I joined up.
I know quite a few of posters think Cyric's a crackpot but I don't believe that this is a coincidence(thought I'm not sure when the trial ended Faerun time) with his schemeing in Pandemonium after his trial and his involvement in creating the spellplague. To me it's a very plausible outcome. I would like to hear other's thoughts on this(whether you like Cyric or not) on how plausible this could be.
Thanks
Besides, 1000 years trapped in his home plane? Bah, that's a slap on the wrist for a god. He's really no worse for it.
I'm not sure about that theory (namely because the developers did not have a concept of the Spellplague back in 2e)...
-Right. In retrospect, we can connect the two, and it all might work out, but the Spellplague certainly isn't what the author was alluding to. Being that the "apocalyptic future" is a very common fantasy/sci-fi theme, I would assume that it was something generic and theoretical that the author was possibly hinting at.
Perhaps Cyric is even debased enough to try to trick the creatures of the madness and he will try to temporary align himself with the Aboleths, Ilsensine or the Great Mother of the Beholder race.
How would the Realms look like if Cyric was in control?
-A lot like it would if, say, Bane ruled things. Hitler, Franco, Mussolini, three different despots with three different ways of going about things, all ultimatley had fascist dictatorships.
-Cyric is mad as a schizophrenic might be mad- he doesn't/didn't have a full grasp on his place in the world, thinking he was better than Ao, and all of that. He was never crazy as in he's as likely to bite you and start singing Sinatra as he was to shake your hand, and think you Aristotle.