Now i have always been a big fan of Drow dont get me wrong but i never understood why they had to get rid of dark elves as well.
however my main problem right now is........ there is absalutly zip mentioned about dark elves in the source books. well correction they mention the city of hope but thats it. I think something as big as an entire new freakin race would spark at least a cliffnote or something or mabe a side bar but we got crap.
sorry for the rant so now back to busness is there any lore on Dark Elves after they have returned and where can i find it?
I also think Mr. Baker said they might show up in a dragon mag issue at some point.
but times changes, things change.
and the time may never come for any more info in it
We could assume all kinds of things.....
-All in all, perhaps the designers were scratching their heads as to why what happened at the end of Ascendancy of the Last happened, and did their best to forget it, and in turn, cause everyone else to forget it, doing everyone a favor, of sorts.
-All in all, perhaps the designers were scratching their heads as to why what happened at the end of Ascendancy of the Last happened, and did their best to forget it, and in turn, cause everyone else to forget it, doing everyone a favor, of sorts.
True--it's important not to mistake good luck for bad luck.
-All in all, perhaps the designers were scratching their heads as to why what happened at the end of Ascendancy of the Last happened, and did their best to forget it, and in turn, cause everyone else to forget it, doing everyone a favor, of sorts.
At a water cooler somewhere in the WotC offices...
You know, John, I have an embarassing admission to make.
What is it, Mike?
Well, uh, I just read Ascendancy, and... well, it doesn't seem to make sense, you know?
It's fantasy, Mike. Why should it make sense?
Weeell, let's just say it makes less sense than usual.
Really? Uh... what happens in it, actually? I was a little busy and, ah, couldn't finish it.
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Er... what?
Yeah.
How did that happen? That would derail all our plans for the drow pantheon!
So, uh, what are we going to do about it? We have a setting book to publish in a few months?
Well, we will just brush it under the carpet, as usual. Points of light, trimming the fat, that kind of thing
What if someone asks us about more details?
Uh, we will say we were going to put it into Insider, or something. We'll burn that bridge when we cross it.
Ok. Hey, are you coming to the 40K tournament this weekend?
Sure, you think I'd miss it?
Well i wouldnt say it was totally bad luck or good luck because It did fix the big mistake of punishing all Dark Elves many of them didnt even do anything wrong.
-While that's not necessarily a mistake (as much as it something that was never fully explained to us as to WHY that happened), Ascendancy of the Last, and the entire Lady Penitent trilogy does more to "muddy the waters" on the matter of Dark Elves than it does make anything clear, or make sense- Introduced was the entire 'Taint of Wendonai' concept.
Its just I dunno i think they should of gotten a sidebar or something but dark elves wernt the only elven race to not really get mentioned so i guess it will appear in a later supplament
-There is not going to be any future Forgotten Realms sourcebook, if the current design philosophy continues as is. The Forgotten Realms got the Forgotten Realms Player's Guide, the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, and an adventure. That's all. Future information might come in the form of a DDI/online DRAGON article, if something on the matter comes down the pipes.
Well i wouldnt say it was totally bad luck or good luck because It did fix the big mistake of punishing all Dark Elves many of them didnt even do anything wrong.
I don't agree, because the "salvation" that was offered apparently was only extended to dark elves who worshipped Eilistraee and those who, by sheer accident of birth, happened not to have the aforementioned "tainted blood."
Now if she had turned Lolth into the Goddess of Shadowy Spiders, they probably would have jumped al over it. :P
And yes, saying someone is 'doomed' because of their bloodlines is so Old Testamnet/Original Sin that it's just plain gross. It's borderline racial intolerance, in fact.
I just finished The Orc King a few minutes ago, and I have to say that I'm starting to think RAS is the only FR writer who understands cultural issues and social commentary. He painted Bruenor as a biggot... and he was. All Elves and Dwarves are.
Only a moron takes sides with a concept born of ignorance.
Fiends themselves can be redeeemed, but Drow with Fiendish Blood cannot? For shame, Smedman, for shame.
Ok. Hey, are you coming to the 40K tournament this weekend?
Sure, you think I'd miss it?
Pure Win. :D
But you have to remember many Drow do not want to be redemend so they cant be helped.
Well they could be redemend per say but they would still be Drow. Now if they converted to worshiping Corellon then there is probly a ritural to turn them into Dark Elves.
-They wouldn't be redeemed, as per Ascendancy of the Last, which used the buzzwords 'tainted' and 'redeemed' to define having the blood of Wendonai within them and to define not havig the blood of Wendonai within them. They could not worship Lolth (when have all Drow always worshiped her?), but who they have as a patron don't really affect their status as 'tainted' or 'redeemed', unless they are a clergy member of Eilistraee's church.
But you have to remember many Drow do not want to be redemend so they cant be helped.
-Why would they have a choice? Ascendancy of the Last spelled out that only the clergy of Eilistraee and those who haven't been tainted by the blood of Wendonai transformed into Dark Elves at the conclusion of the book. Regardless of whether or not they were naughty or nice, or if they wanted it or not, when the ritual was complete, they transformed.
But you have to remember many Drow do not want to be redemend so they cant be helped.
I'm sure many of the aforementioned "non-tainted" drow would not have wanted to be redeemed, if asked. Like I said, we're talking about a sheer accident of birth...and years (perhaps centuries) of each of these drow being immersed in Underdark culture.
Yet, they all still got redeemed according to the story. It had nothing to do with "deserving" it or wanting it.