Did you hear about Bane, by the way? He's kind a *BLEEP*, I know. But he even got to be in the new "default" setting. And his whole resurrection through his son thing, we know he stole it from you. I'm not trying to rub all that in, but you can't let him show you up anymore. You need to step up on your own resurrection. That whole "Bhaal-spawn" thing didn't seem to work out for you, but don't let that get you down. I believe in you!
Get crackin,
Manion
-The guy needs to straighten himself out, that's for sure...:whatsthis
P.S. That Cyric guy screwed up in a bad way.
Bhaal should be resurrected through Cyric as Bane was through Xvim. Wouldn't make sense, but it would be an improvment.
Big B, if you come back, we'll be here waiting for you.
Myrkul also needs to back a comeback. I like Kelemvor fine, but after that Velsharoon tool I miss Myrkul. I think he also had some kind of resurection planned in that Neverwinter game (not that its canon).
...since there isn't a Mount Celestia anymore....
Are you sure about that? The "favourite" planes of the designers are still around (Abyss, Baator, Celestia...).
Are you sure about that? The "favourite" planes of the designers are still around (Abyss, Baator, Celestia...).
I wouldn't be sure about that, sure, we still have Baator and the Abyss, (and in the MM devils and demons), but their nature has changed a lot, and I didn't read anything about Mount Celestia (and there aren't any good-aligned angels or archons in the MM), so as far as I can see at the moment Mount Celestia is dead in the new setting...
Myrkul also needs to back a comeback. I like Kelemvor fine, but after that Velsharoon tool I miss Myrkul. I think he also had some kind of resurection planned in that Neverwinter game (not that its canon).
I've been here all along! No really though, I'm quite happy being in this crown! Its a lovely little headpiece, with a nice big gem on the forehead... you should try it on sometime! Hey, I even hear Velsharoon's looking for a nice hat. We could try hooking him up!
And NWN 2 was NOT canon (thank Ao for that one, eh?!)
Depends on if you ate him or not...
-hides fork and knife- Me?! Apotheosis?! Now what of my past exploits would give you any suspicion that I would try such a thing!?
-I have the game but it doesn't work on my computer...You can eat Myrkul!?
*burp*
Well, in a manner of speaking in the MotB expansion... devour his essence would probably be a tad bit more accurate.
-Ah, that clears things up just a little bit. ;)
-Ah, that clears things up just a little bit. ;)
Hence, absolutely NOT canon! Honestly, I'm not that tasty. All necromanty and stuff!
Hence, absolutely NOT canon! Honestly, I'm not that tasty. All necromanty and stuff!
-I'm sure, I'm sure. There's no mean on those bones.
-I'm sure, I'm sure. There's no mean on those bones.
Maybe a bit of tasty marrow though...
it would have been better for the realms if I absorbed his essence instead of founding a family with a wingless avariel...
This was your mistake. I fed the wingless avariel to the Illithid (while rubbing my hands together and cackling insanely)...
...and shacked up with my Half-Elven Fighter/Druid... it made for a much much happier ending.
Same as with little miss Whingey Wings... with myself and Anomen (although I wanted to give him the occasional slap too), there was no need to keep her if she got right up my nose... and she did.
This was your mistake. I fed the wingless avariel to the Illithid (while rubbing my hands together and cackling insanely)...
...and shacked up with my Half-Elven Fighter/Druid... it made for a much much happier ending.
Well, with the same problem I have now, Bhaal can return, because the prison of his essence is gone, and you don't have it.:P And I don't think the ending with Jaheira was better than with Aerie, the only sad ending in the program was with Viconia...
But sincerely I don't care if Bhaal returns, the new realms are such a mess-up I won't play in them, if I need Bhaal in my FR I will find a way to ressurect him. (Maybe a fallen Solar trys to steal his essence from Mount Celestia.:D )
You see, she bugged the heck out of me too. But that was because her attitude reminded me of the condescension that has characterised the manner of the moneyed and titled that I have met... of which I am certainly not one. And considering I had first Yoshimo and then Imoen I needed her thieving abilities little, and as my character was a Sorceror I needed her magical abilities less.
Same as with little miss Whingey Wings... with myself and Anomen (although I wanted to give him the occasional slap too), there was no need to keep her if she got right up my nose... and she did.
I tried Anomen as well. A little advise to those using addons, do not shave him. He looks like a monkey.
Hey guy, I'm a big fan. I'm just writing to see what you've been up to. Last I recall hearing, you were sending out Deathstalkers to resurrect you. How'd that turn out? I hope it's going well. Think maybe you could speed it up? You've got 100 years to do it until the time period of the new edition, so hopefully you get that taken care of.
Did you hear about Bane, by the way? He's kind a *BLEEP*, I know. But he even got to be in the new "default" setting. And his whole resurrection through his son thing, we know he stole it from you. I'm not trying to rub all that in, but you can't let him show you up anymore. You need to step up on your own resurrection. That whole "Bhaal-spawn" thing didn't seem to work out for you, but don't let that get you down. I believe in you!
Get crackin,
Manion
you've got a cool avatar...I like it coz it's green (I didn't say orcs are green)
Its a lovely little headpiece, with a nice big gem on the forehead... you should try it on sometime!
The resulting being would be too great a terror for the Realms to contain. Lo, children, do thy homework and eat thy vegetables, lest the God of the Dead and the Knight of Shadows become as one, and bring ruin to all that ye know!
Hey, I even hear Velsharoon's looking for a nice hat. We could try hooking him up!
Wow, that’s actually an amazing plot hook I hadn't even thought of before. Myrkul resurrecting through Velsharoon. Now that would make Bane look like such a pansy in comparison.
Wow, that’s actually an amazing plot hook I hadn't even thought of before. Myrkul resurrecting through Velsharoon. Now that would make Bane look like such a pansy in comparison.
I've been saying this all along! Take a good hard look at Velsharoon's holy symbol, and tell me he isn't wearing a crown! Its like he is dreaming of my nice little headpiece. And I'm just so eager to see him in it! :D
I've been saying this all along! Take a good hard look at Velsharoon's holy symbol, and tell me he isn't wearing a crown! Its like he is dreaming of my nice little headpiece. And I'm just so eager to see him in it! :D
Give me Kel over Myrkul Anyday!!!
P.S. That Cyric guy screwed up in a bad way.
The only thing that Bhaal did right as a god was to be lucky to be chosen for the BG storyline. Anything he actually did in P&P makes Cyric seem like the most competent guy ever.
Between the backstory of his ascension and the BG storyline, Bhaal's career was nothing but spectacular failure after spectacular failures. Not even in his worst defeats did Cyric suffer anything even only remotely as worse as Bhaal
Depends on if you ate him or not...
Even if NWN2 is considered canon, eating him or not doesn't affect much. It was just one lesser rest of consciousness and unimportant compared to the part of his consciousness within the crown of horns
I've been saying this all along! Take a good hard look at Velsharoon's holy symbol, and tell me he isn't wearing a crown! Its like he is dreaming of my nice little headpiece. And I'm just so eager to see him in it! :D
-He is indeed wearing a crown.
The only thing that Bhaal did right as a god was to be lucky to be chosen for the BG storyline. Anything he actually did in P&P makes Cyric seem like the most competent guy ever.
Between the backstory of his ascension and the BG storyline, Bhaal's career was nothing but spectacular failure after spectacular failures. Not even in his worst defeats did Cyric suffer anything even only remotely as worse as Bhaal
-Someone else who doesn't have some strange love for Bhaal. I'm not alone.
He Shall be Slain by the DEad
the realms shall quake in his passing
So sayeth the wise ....
Give me Bhaal over Cyric
dont like either
Between the backstory of his ascension and the BG storyline, Bhaal's career was nothing but spectacular failure after spectacular failures. Not even in his worst defeats did Cyric suffer anything even only remotely as worse as Bhaal
Most of Bhaal's history (as a god or as a mortal) has never even been recorded in the sourcebooks, though.
Honestly, I didn't really like Bane, Bhaal, or Myrkul... would prefer that all of them had stayed dead to be honest. Gargauth would have been so much more interesting as the Lord of Tyranny than Bane ever managed to be... I greatly prefer Kelemvor to Myrkul, just on a philosophical level, since I think a fear of death is stupid... Bhaal, had it not been for BG2, I wouldn't even bother with an opinion on. Glad he's stayed dead though...
I'm Odlanier, and I aprove this messege :D
Give me Kel over Myrkul Anyday!!!
But I made cookies!!!
And... we woke up Mirtek!
But I made cookies!!!
And... we woke up Mirtek!
Is not that I don't appriciate your cookies, but the "grimreaper God Of Death is SO over played"....
Honestly, I didn't really like Bane, Bhaal, or Myrkul... would prefer that all of them had stayed dead to be honest. Gargauth would have been so much more interesting as the Lord of Tyranny than Bane ever managed to be... I greatly prefer Kelemvor to Myrkul, just on a philosophical level, since I think a fear of death is stupid... Bhaal, had it not been for BG2, I wouldn't even bother with an opinion on. Glad he's stayed dead though...
I believe that the Sandman Series/Death series by Neil Gaimen really put it all in perspective on Death. We both fear and love it. We can't admit we love it because we fear it and we fear it because we don't know it. We see experience it once in our lives, and it is a big change. So we approach it with -- in the very least -- unease.
I'll will grant you that Lord of the Dead seems a boring and unimportant post. Give that to a slob who doesn't smile or scowl, but grant the power of transition to someone who does it with style and pizazz! Not to mention the very important portfolio's of dusk, old age, wasting, decay, and dust (on every level it is applicable). These are still left open (though the triple faced sun thing kinda throws dusk out and you COULD argue that Finder's cycle of life portfolio keeps old age within it...)
Most of Bhaal's history (as a god or as a mortal) has never even been recorded in the sourcebooks, though.
Yeah, the most they have given us about the ascension of Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul is that little side piece in GHotR, and it doesn't even mention them by name.
Yeah, the most they have given us about the ascension of Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul is that little side piece in GHotR, and it doesn't even mention them by name.
Check second edition material. There is a "myth" about the "dead three" where Myrkul, Bane, and Bhaal gamble with Jergal for power and Malar shows up but is tricked. Also, most of the old books deal with those infamous three.
The only thing that Bhaal did right as a god was to be lucky to be chosen for the BG storyline. Anything he actually did in P&P makes Cyric seem like the most competent guy ever.
Between the backstory of his ascension and the BG storyline, Bhaal's career was nothing but spectacular failure after spectacular failures. Not even in his worst defeats did Cyric suffer anything even only remotely as worse as Bhaal
Cyric screwed up because he's largely responsible for the Spellplague. Last time something remotely that bad happened, (the thing that accompanied 2e and, ultimately, Bhaal's death) Bhaal was the only one of the Dead Three smart enough to stay out of the initial heist. He probably would have survived it all if Bane hadn't betrayed him and killed all his priests. Why do the evil gods who keep screwing up the universe keep getting all the breaks?
Now, how's THAT for a screwup? Bane betrays his most loyal lesser in order for more power and still gets his butt kicked. But somehow, he gets to come back.
That's all he did wrong. His two best friends screwed up and got into bad trouble. But Bhaal acted like a true friend and stuck by them. Only for one of them to stab him in the back. And he died for it. *sniffle* I hope you never get betrayed by your friends and then have people insult you for it. *baaaaaaw(l)*
Cyric screwed up because he's largely responsible for the Spellplague. Last time something remotely that bad happened, (the thing that accompanied 2e and, ultimately, Bhaal's death) Bhaal was the only one of the Dead Three smart enough to stay out of the initial heist. He probably would have survived it all if Bane hadn't betrayed him and killed all his priests. Why do the evil gods who keep screwing up the universe keep getting all the breaks?
Now, how's THAT for a screwup? Bane betrays his most loyal lesser in order for more power and still gets his butt kicked. But somehow, he gets to come back.
That's all he did wrong. His two best friends screwed up and got into bad trouble. But Bhaal acted like a true friend and stuck by them. Only for one of them to stab him in the back. And he died for it. *sniffle* I hope you never get betrayed by your friends and then have people insult you for it. *baaaaaaw(l)*
Though it was Bane's idea, Big M' was responsible for the killing of the assassin's/bhaalites. Bhaal had outlived his usefulness to Bane by that point since he manifested as a contagious spirit of murderous rage and was, above all, absolutely useless. The intelligent one of the series, of course, was M, whose plan involved letting Bane attempting his foolish plan and then killing whichever (bane or Ao) survived the grueling deathmatch.
Check second edition material. There is a "myth" about the "dead three" where Myrkul, Bane, and Bhaal gamble with Jergal for power and Malar shows up but is tricked. Also, most of the old books deal with those infamous three.
It's actually written in full detail in some of the books lying around in BG.
Well, in a manner of speaking in the MotB expansion... devour his essence would probably be a tad bit more accurate.
I think its assumed you put him to eternal rest. The games always assume the PC took the good path.
Check second edition material. There is a "myth" about the "dead three" where Myrkul, Bane, and Bhaal gamble with Jergal for power and Malar shows up but is tricked. Also, most of the old books deal with those infamous three.
Its also mentioned in Faiths and Pantheons.
I believe that the Sandman Series/Death series by Neil Gaimen really put it all in perspective on Death. We both fear and love it. We can't admit we love it because we fear it and we fear it because we don't know it. We see experience it once in our lives, and it is a big change. So we approach it with -- in the very least -- unease.
Never much cared for those series... his novels aren't bad, but the comics weren't really to my taste. As to Death being feared and loved... not sure I see that. It is... I don't really see it as an end, simply a change. Our bodies go on to feed and nourish new life, and so we bring about life with our end. That's the nature of death... feeding new life, so I find it difficult to fear something when I've been profiting from it whenever I eat. At least that's the way I see it... obviously that's not going to work for everyone.
I'll will grant you that Lord of the Dead seems a boring and unimportant post. Give that to a slob who doesn't smile or scowl, but grant the power of transition to someone who does it with style and pizazz! Not to mention the very important portfolio's of dusk, old age, wasting, decay, and dust (on every level it is applicable). These are still left open (though the triple faced sun thing kinda throws dusk out and you COULD argue that Finder's cycle of life portfolio keeps old age within it...)
Wasn't really his portfolio so much as him. He just left me with a 'meh' feeling, even after the BG series. While I loved the storyline, he just left me with a 'meh' feeling every time I thought of him.
As to Finder... I probably would give him all of that, except dusk (though cycle of life covers it in a philosophical sense, it's not in a literal one). I still think he's potentially one of the most powerful deities out there in terms of potential of his portfolio, though his divine stature hasn't quite caught up to his potential yet. Presuming he's not screwed over in the Spellplague.
Presuming he's not screwed over in the Spellplague.
-I'm taking bets now. Want in?