Save for Sword Mages who have grew up out of a martial tradition and have developed trust for the schools who practice it, how do you treat Wizards/Warlocks/and the Spellscared in your games? Canonically the Spellscared alone must be frightening to people who grew up on tales of mutations and strange goings on during the Spell Plague. Shouldn't some of this distruct go to the newer practicitioners of Arcane magic as well?
But people who were used to being surrounded by magic might adapt faster to new views on magic aswell, even accepting spellscars, psionics and wild magic phenomenas as more mundane but new kinds of magic.
This may be better placed in the Running the Realms section if you are just looking as to how to handle things, rather than what is actually the attitude of the Realms at the moment.
This may be better placed in the Running the Realms section if you are just looking as to how to handle things, rather than what is actually the attitude of the Realms at the moment.
True. But this is a weird question that kinda straddles the lines. What is the canonical attitude. How would you rule it. 6 one way, half a dozen the other.
True. But this is a weird question that kinda straddles the lines. What is the canonical attitude. How would you rule it. 6 one way, half a dozen the other.
The point Karsus makes is true. In fact, that was a given even before the Spellplague to a degree. There is always going to be prejudice towards anything different than the mundane.
Just based on that alone, you can assume that where magic went wild and killed the bunnies, then it is not look upon favorably. In those places that were spared, it is tolerated. The two settings in the current 4e novels testify to that a bit.
Overall, I would say that the trust level for The Art itself went down about an average of four points on a ten point scale across the world between 3.5 and 4e. So, I'd give it a 4 out of 10.
Just based on that alone, you can assume that where magic went wild and killed the bunnies, then it is not look upon favorably. In those places that were spared, it is tolerated. The two settings in the current 4e novels testify to that a bit.
-In some places, it's looked upon ambivalently, as crazy as it sounds. People go for "pilgrimages" into the Plaguechanged Lands, and businesses and whatever else make profits off of these "pilgrims" and all, giving them lodging, or leading them through, or making maps, and so on. This is demonstrated a bit in the novel Plague of Spells.
-In some places, it's looked upon ambivalently, as crazy as it sounds. People go for "pilgrimages" into the Plaguechanged Lands, and businesses and whatever else make profits off of these "pilgrims" and all, giving them lodging, or leading them through, or making maps, and so on. This is demonstrated a bit in the novel Plague of Spells.
Yeah, but the Order of the Blue Fire is like the Cult of the Dragon in 3/3.5. It's an extremest view. It's like saying Muslim's as a whole hate the west, simply due to a cadre of jihadist.
Drop a nuclear weapon on the U.S. and figure out how many people will be against nuclear as a weapon and how many will be for it as an energy source.
More or less a foundation for where my rating comes.
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Plague of Spells? Did you read a 4e novel while I was away?
Yeah, but the Order of the Blue Fire is like the Cult of the Dragon in 3/3.5. It's an extremest view.
-The people in the town, they were just normal businessmen and such. From their point of view, anyway, pilgrims are good for business, and the Spellplague Changed Lands are a good thing, relativley speaking.
Plague of Spells? Did you read a 4e novel while I was away?
-It takes place in 1,385 DR and 1,396 DR. It's 3.65e!
-The people in the town, they were just normal businessmen and such. From their point of view, anyway, pilgrims are good for business, and the Spellplague Changed Lands are a good thing, relativley speaking.
No dispute there. But once a pilgrim starts slinging spells, well, then things need to start being reappraised.
Gold is good as long as the guy giving it can't fry you with a giant fireball--not to mention, know how to control that fireball once cast.
-It takes place in 1,385 DR and 1,396 DR. It's 3.65e!
See!! You're getting closer! Before you know it, you'll be at 3.95e and on the verge of a new era.
Well done!!
I'm getting A Plague of Spells in the mail soon. Can't wait to read it. I'd love to see the transition and how it effected some socitites. It's kinda why I asked this question. You'd think that in some places people would loath Wizards and Spellscared.
I'm interested in reading it as well, now that I know about it.
As for Spellscarred, they get a 1-2 out of 10. The fear of the blue fire that scarred them causes pretty much everyone to be wary of them. It's different than simply being a magic user. Even in Waterdeep where magic use is pretty much accepted, Spellscarred are still distrusted.
-You can read my review of it HERE.
Dude, we know you are a big fan of Bruce. I'm not reading any review of yours until I've read it myself.
I'll simply get all hyped up, then find an AI Golem/Construct ruinin' the story for me.
Dude, we know you are a big fan of Bruce. I'm not reading any review of yours until I've read it myself.
I'll simply get all hyped up, then find an AI Golem/Construct ruinin' the story for me.
LK only gave it two Chtulhu and a chicken. That's right, not beholders but mini-Chtulhus. Not exactly high praise, although it is a bit of a wink and a nod to Cordell's love of writhing tentacles.
RAWR! :coolcthul
LK only gave it two Chtulhu and a chicken. That's right, not beholders but mini-Chtulhus. Not exactly high praise, although it is a bit of a wink and a nod to Cordell's love of writhing tentacles.
RAWR! :coolcthul
Um, that's not what I remember. Did LK and Bruce have a falling out?
RAWR! :coolcthul
As for RAWR?
Shut the fruck up!!
I'm interested in reading it as well, now that I know about it.
As for Spellscarred, they get a 1-2 out of 10. The fear of the blue fire that scarred them causes pretty much everyone to be wary of them. It's different than simply being a magic user. Even in Waterdeep where magic use is pretty much accepted, Spellscarred are still distrusted.
But only if they use their spellscar abilities. With the exception of some, most spellscars aren't visibile unless they are using the power it grants. The rulebooks describe them as often invisible marks that flare blue when their power is utilized.
In this way it'd even be possible at least story-wise to have someone who was spellscarred and didn't know it until the first time their power triggered.
This would be more so in 4e times than right after/during the Spellplague when most spellscarred were likely directly hit with active Spellfire (like the guy in Undead).
In this way it'd even be possible at least story-wise to have someone who was spellscarred and didn't know it until the first time their power triggered.
Already been a story.
But only if they use their spellscar abilities. With the exception of some, most spellscars aren't visibile unless they are using the power it grants. The rulebooks describe them as often invisible marks that flare blue when their power is utilized.
-So far, one novel that utilizes a Spellscar (Plague of Spells) mentions that the character who has it can see it even when it is not "in use".
-So far, one novel that utilizes a Spellscar (Plague of Spells) mentions that the character who has it can see it even when it is not "in use".
Interesting... I really need to get the new books. I know Rich Bakers 'Swormage' has a girl who's eyes light up when she turns on her darkvision... No mention of being able to see it otherwise.
I wonder if they can see others' Spell scars before they're in use as well...
for scarsightA more divining spellscar might look like this
and a defensive one
the gruesome and obvious ones might look so:
That last guy had some seriously blue and itchy looking arms.
-So far, one novel that utilizes a Spellscar (Plague of Spells) mentions that the character who has it can see it even when it is not "in use".
Okay well there's one other, the gryphon rider from Thay in Undead, his eyes glowed after he was 'blinded' by the spellplague's genesis.
But that's two examples to prove the rulebooks wording of 'often' and 'most'. Two examples do make an all or even a 'most', just a 'few' or 'some'.
I believe the way they worded it was to allow for storylines of discovering one's spellscarred nature and to give flexibility in PC/NPC design by allowing them to either be visible or not on a per character basis.
I don't have the book handy to check but I believe one of the feats that can be gotten allows a spellscarred character to detect other spellscarred beings within a certain range. If not no reason it couldn't be added in homebrew.
Overall I think the reactions to spellscarred and casters would vary from region to region and individual to individual. The people around Thay are probably still nervous around casters. People near plaguechanged lands might not have a problem with casters but might be wary of spellscarred, depending on what interactions they've had with the plaguechanged area.
Shorter lived races and younger generations are less likely to have an adverse reaction just because of the time of the Spellplague while those still around who lived through it (especially if they had 'direct' contact with it) might be more wary, at least of spellscarred.
Since Undead hints that some mages were able to start relearning and casting their spells within a year of the spellplague's first appearance it can be assumed that in other places mages started to relearn and in such cases some of them might have done what they could to help others through the plague and therefore those areas would view mages favorably or at least not blame them for what happened.
But that's two examples to prove the rulebooks wording of 'often' and 'most'. Two examples do make an all or even a 'most', just a 'few' or 'some'.
-Heh, enough of them do.
-Heh, enough of them do.
Really....
Grasping a bit, don't you think?
That's like saying all dogs are small and furry because the two I know of fit that discription...
;)
My misunderstanding.
I don't have the book handy to check but I believe one of the feats that can be gotten allows a spellscarred character to detect other spellscarred beings within a certain range. If not no reason it couldn't be added in homebrew.
Believe I recall that, as well.
Regardless, Spellscars were created to help make every character unique. An author around here or somewhere else mentioned that Spellscars were unlimited in their potential. I would take the FRCG more as a starter point than a rulebook in such regards.
-They're like tattoos. They can look like whatever you want them to. Likewise, Spellspars can do whatever you want them to.
"Spellspars?"
What they hell are those and what do they do?
Do they fight Spellscars and such?
You know, that sparring between scars can get pretty intense. ;)
"Spellspars?"
What they hell are those and what do they do?
Do they fight Spellscars and such?
You know, that sparring between scars can get pretty intense. ;)
-Hmm...Spellspars...A different name for Mageduels, maybe.
-Hmm...Spellspars...A different name for Mageduels, maybe.
Interesting.
Actually sounds cooler, does me, myself, think.