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#1 feylin Jul 11, 2008 2:53:06	Does anyone know if we are going to get epic Jarlaxle and Artemis Stats in this edition?
#2 Stigger Jul 11, 2008 3:30:06	Doubtful, but one never knows. The emphasis on PCs and the lack of emphasis towards NPCs would point towards the negative though I think.
#3 zanan Jul 11, 2008 3:31:36	Does anyone know if we are going to get epic Jarlaxle and Artemis Stats in this edition? You know, in the Realms, we usually do not shoot. We draw and quarter, and burn, and apply white hot iron pokers and somesuch. Well, you'll have to wait and see with regards to these chaps, though I would doubt that the would end up more "epic" than they are now.
#4 Stigger Jul 11, 2008 3:54:20	Drow... handcrossbow... ;)
#5 Khaelieth Jul 11, 2008 3:56:55	Artemis Entreri [NE hm [Insert levels]] Drizzt Do'Urden [CG em [drow] [Insert levels]]
#6 Diffan Jul 11, 2008 6:56:27	Stigger is right about NPC's being played down, at least stat wise. Though they may have a small stat write up such as Drizzt Do'Urden [Good Drow ranger 20/ Swordmaster path] or Artemis Entreri [Evil human rogue 20/ shadow theif path], etc. I don't see a them doing a full write up as they had in 3e. This, I think, is a good thing because as a DM, you can put in there anything thing you want rather than what the editiors think a character should have.
#7 merrikcale Jul 11, 2008 7:07:00	wouldn't artemis be dead?
#8 Diffan Jul 11, 2008 7:28:04	wouldn't artemis be dead? Depends on how the shadow-stuff works out. In a short story, Artemis stabbed a shade with his vampiric dagger and gained some of his "shadow essence". It could've made him live a lot longer with agility of a man half his age.
#9 lord_karsus Jul 11, 2008 12:27:36	-Entreri and Jarlaxle were never epic to begin with. Depends on how the shadow-stuff works out. In a short story, Artemis stabbed a shade with his vampiric dagger and gained some of his "shadow essence". It could've made him live a lot longer with agility of a man half his age. -Right.
#10 feylin Jul 11, 2008 19:04:50	Artemis Entreri [NE hm [Insert levels]] Drizzt Do'Urden [CG em [drow] [Insert levels]] Wasn't asking about Drizzt. Thanks, It is fun to speculate. A few of my friends are obsessed with them and I haven't gotten them to shut up since the new edition came out. I hope they killed him. That will put an end to (or at least a dapper on) the hours of Artemis/Jarlaxle slash convos my party ends up having. I had to agree to cameos to keep them on topic. So honestly I am not sure if I want them to show up or not.
#11 merrikcale Jul 14, 2008 21:59:31	Depends on how the shadow-stuff works out. In a short story, Artemis stabbed a shade with his vampiric dagger and gained some of his "shadow essence". It could've made him live a lot longer with agility of a man half his age. I suppose. Considering his popularity I guess they will keep him around
#12 Diffan Jul 14, 2008 23:38:59	True, espically since he was Drizzt's antagonist. Though I wouldn't mind reading about another duel between the two.
#13 lord_karsus Jul 15, 2008 7:26:47	-Eh, let it be. It's a tired plot.
#14 opal-dragon Jul 15, 2008 13:50:27	If one wished them to be in, they would have to be epic even if they weren't before, simply to balance up. Wizards went from Meteor Swarm at 17th level to Meteor swarm at 29th. Leaving either of them where they are (17th//18th level range) makes for a disconnect.
#15 Diffan Jul 15, 2008 14:29:28	If one wished them to be in, they would have to be epic even if they weren't before, simply to balance up. Wizards went from Meteor Swarm at 17th level to Meteor swarm at 29th. Leaving either of them where they are (17th//18th level range) makes for a disconnect. True. I think Drizzt, Jarlaxle, and Entreri (if he's still alive) would be in the Epic stage by now, somewhere in the levels of 23-26 range.
#16 atticuseternal Jul 15, 2008 15:03:05	I would stat Artemis and Jarlaxle as NPC's in 4th (which is to say as monsters; I would do this with all of the Realms characters). Artemis: Level 19 Elite Skirmisher. Jarlaxle: Level 21 Elite Skirmisher (Leader).
#17 rinonalyrna_fathomlin Jul 16, 2008 13:40:47	-Eh, let it be. It's a tired plot. Agreed. ;)
#18 lord_karsus Jul 16, 2008 18:40:46	-The jury has ruled.
#19 naex Jul 16, 2008 20:41:34	Judging from the NPC's of Loudwater article, it looks like NPCs won't be statted, just given a brief description, with race and class (no levels) and their personality and activities. Even those that do get statted will follow the new plan of being created as monsters rather than characters. Mostly, IMO, they will just give a few ideas of how to run them, and then let the DM decide their abilities based on his campaign and players needs. Thus avoiding the problem they had with books like Champions of Ruin, where, in order to make them a fair challenge to players, certain entities were much less powerful than their descriptions seem to indicate. And it also allows the DM some freedom to determine the level of their own campaign.
#20 lord_karsus Jul 17, 2008 18:22:22	-That there were no levels was the first thing that I noticed.
#21 jimmyjimjam01 Jul 17, 2008 19:58:54	Does anyone know if we are going to get epic Jarlaxle and Artemis Stats in this edition? Are we going to get states of who in what? Ah, hell nevermind.
#22 lord_karsus Jul 17, 2008 21:41:16	-The stats of Artemis Entreri and Jarlaxle.