anyone can tell me where i propably read that?? cant remember anything
anyway it is cool story how Dragonborns came to Realms. now that they are here for almost 100 years, they are for new generations of people, particulary humans, normal race.
i always wanted to play as somthing like Dragonborn in a computer game. so i hope Obsidian or another developer will make 4e D&D Forgotten Realms CRPG with Dragonborns
somewhere, cant remember now where, some few days ago it was, i read that Dragonborn are now in Realms as a new race which comes from Returned Abeir.
-Correct. The FRCG says this much.
-Note, that Dragonborn were used in the 3e era, as the creatures mentioned in Races of the Dragons, but these 3e Dragonborn are not the same as the 4e Dragonborn. Only the name is the same, which will probably cause some confusion.
i always wanted to play as somthing like Dragonborn in a computer game. so i hope Obsidian or another developer will make 4e D&D Forgotten Realms CRPG with Dragonborns
Have you ever tried the Elder Scrolls series of games? They have Argonians as a playable race, lizardfolk actually, no real "dragons", but I think it's a similar experience as playing a Dragonborn on-screen. They do lack the breath weapon, but they have gills which enable them to breathe underwater
Just in case you don't want to wait years to play something akin to D&D's new Dragonborn.-Note, that Dragonborn were used in the 3e era, as the creatures mentioned in Races of the Dragons, but these 3e Dragonborn are not the same as the 4e Dragonborn. Only the name is the same, which will probably cause some confusion.
huh?
huh?
-In the Races of the Dragons book, they introduced Dragonborn. I think the concept was something like they were followers of Bahamut who were reborn into anthropomorphic Dragon forms, to serve Bahamut again. Something like that. Anyway, that was 3e. In 4e, there are the new Dragonborn from "Abeir". They are in no way, shape, or form, related to those 3e Dragonborn. The designers said they simply reused the name because it sounded good.
huh?
Dragonborn in 3E were people who were loved by Bahamut, his most fervent followers, and who agreed to serve him fully - as such, they were transformed by Bahamut into dragon-like forms (almost like the forms of 4E dragonborn, but not exactly).
Heh... LK beat me to it. ;)
Have you ever tried the Elder Scrolls series of games? They have Argonians as a playable race, lizardfolk actually, no real "dragons", but I think it's a similar experience as playing a Dragonborn on-screen. They do lack the breath weapon, but they have gills which enable them to breathe underwater
played Morrowind, but its not D&D so i didnt play much
They are in no way, shape, or form, related to those 3e Dragonborn. The designers said they simply reused the name because it sounded good.
And what are they now? Could you please be more specific, because I do not have the 4e FRCG. Are they similiar to Draconians of Krynn, somthing like small humanoid dragons? Would not surprise me, after they allready "invented" Dragonoverlords in FR.
What I don't get is why they had to introduce dragonborn as a "new" race from another world when they were pretty much there all along in the form of "dragonkin" (see Monsters of Faerun).
-Agreed. There were plenty of Reptilian/Draconic-like races to work with. But, they wanted to go in the direction of introducing a whole new race...Whatever. Bad call, on their part, in my opinion. If you want, you can ask Rich Baker yourself, in the Ask-Rich-Baker thread.
And what are they now? Could you please be more specific, because I do not have the 4e FRCG. Are they similiar to Draconians of Krynn, somthing like small humanoid dragons? Would not surprise me, after they allready "invented" Dragonoverlords in FR.
Dragonborn in FR are exactly like the ones out of the 4e PHB. They just come from Abeir and have a kingdom now in Faerun.
Dragonborn in FR are exactly like the ones out of the 4e PHB
Which I do not have, so what are they?
I'm not going to buy 4Ed stuff so soon, it's still too expensive on ebay.Which I do not have, so what are they?
-Another generic Draconian/Reptilian-Human hybrid race. Having read their entry, I don't really see them as sticking out for certain attributes very much.
they are normal, common race..
-Not in the Forgotten Realms, necessarily. They exist, but are still something that Cormyrian Farmer with Pitchfork #2 will gawk at.
By default they speak common and draconic.
3 fingers and a thumb on each hand. Color of scales is usually bronze, brown, gold, rust, ocher, gold, or scarlet. Rarely do they have a chromatic or metallic dragon's coloration and their scale color is no inidcation of their breath weapon type. They mature by 15 and live as long as humans do. A 3 year old dragonborn is about the equivalent of a 10year old human.
Also there was an article in Dragon #365 that goes into detail about them in an 'ecology of...' style.
but now they are in Core rules, so in every world just like as elves, dwarfs and humans are. they are normal, common race..
Just because a race is a "player race" doesn't mean it has to be common.
Just because a race is a "player race" doesn't mean it has to be common.
Emphasis on this point, because it's so incredibly true.
Also someone mentioned "dragonkin" as well--different guys, at least in prior editions. They were pretty much yet another race of reptilian humanoids with a rapacious, tribal bent--only they had wings.
I remember thinking back in like, middle school, that the diTerlizzi illustration of one where it showed up in the 2e Monstrous Compendium Annual vol. 1 looked completely awesome.
Just because a race is a "player race" doesn't mean it has to be common.
sure sure, in FR they are not common, but in 'default' D&D world they are.. that way i mean it.
What I don't get is why they had to introduce dragonborn as a "new" race from another world when they were pretty much there all along in the form of "dragonkin" (see Monsters of Faerun).
In the case of the Dragonkin, there're two strikes against making them a PC race. One is that they're Large creatures. The second is that they fly, and according to Rich, apparently flying PC's at low levels led to problems in playtesting.
That being said, there were several ways they could've introduced Dragonborn into Faerun without dropping Tymanther in there. You had the Dragonborn created by Bahamut, who could've become a true breeding race. You had the eggs dropping down on Faerun in the Year of Lightning Storms, which could've also been Dragonborn. And you could've had them emmigrate from Returned Abeir. Any one of those would've worked. Do all three, and you've got Dragonborn popping in from all over the place. No real need for Tymanther. Oh well.
I would say the alien thing would be utmost true outside the nearby neighbors of Unther/Tymanthor. For those surrounding lands, the Dragonborn won't be so much of a mystery, as they've made it a point to to try to establish allies and trade partners with those they can.
Plus they've been around for a century now. Look at our world and how quickly we adapt to many changes and our perception of what's 'the norm' updates within a decade or two. Older humans and longer lived races may react differently but most of the younger generations of humans and other races probably won't treat dragonborn all that differently than any other race. If it's their first time meeting one they might but that can be like some country bumpkins reaction the first time they go to the 'big city' (even if it's Louisville and not a real 'big city').
Plus they've been around for a century now. Look at our world and how quickly we adapt to many changes and our perception of what's 'the norm' updates within a decade or two. Older humans and longer lived races may react differently but most of the younger generations of humans and other races probably won't treat dragonborn all that differently than any other race. If it's their first time meeting one they might but that can be like some country bumpkins reaction the first time they go to the 'big city' (even if it's Louisville and not a real 'big city').
Yes and no. If you look at "our world" and how we actually have adapted to change, I believe you will see that the major changes we have come to accept quickly have only taken place in the last few decades. If you look at how the blacks were given their "freedom" you'll notice that it took just short of a century before MLK was able to spread the word in such a manner that it truly began to have an affect. Had he come along 20 years earlier without television and media to aid him, I don't see his words or actions producing much of anything.
The rate at which we share information in "our world" allows us to adapt quickly--we have to. On Abier-Toril, not so much. Yes, due to the variety of races that inhabit the planet, people might be a bit more open, but even 100 years isn't enough to make all and everyone adapt.
Hell, look at magic in 4e--its been around for thousands of years, but is now distrusted.
FREE THE DRAGONBORN!
-Hey, I forgot I had these!:
Further proof that Lord Karsus is running a racially insensitive campaign.
Lord Karsus, can you tell us how many Strongholds you own?
Lord Karsus, can you tell us how many Strongholds you own?
-Many.
If the Dragonborn can be from 'elsewhere' on Toril, then what was the point of Tymanther?
I can understand if all the kewl new stuff they wanted to add to FR in 4e came from Returned Abeir (like Spellscars/Dragonmarks, a Tiefling Kingdom, the new Dragonborn, etc...), but since all of that is available on the main continent, then what purpose does Abeir serve?
Its like they had two different ways of introducing the new material, and rather then choosing one, they used both, which just gives us more redundancy and makes Returned Abeir nearly useless in-game. Seriously... what can you possibly do there that you can't do in Faerûn?
Its really just a huge waste of page-count.
I was hoping for something great with the Maztica replacement, but instead we got something even lamer - just "more of the same" that we already had on the mainland.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually prefer Maztica to this creation of Ed's.
If I ever use the 4e Realms (which I doubt at this point), I would just use Xendrik in place of RA - it's FAR more interesting and flavorful.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually prefer Maztica to this creation of Ed's.
-I'm in complete agreement. You, among others, know that I was never very outspoken on my dislike of Maztica, for the obvious reasons. But, at least Maztica was introduced far enough in the past (as in actual time) for it to begin growing roots into the setting, incorporating different things native to the Forgotten Realms into it, "Realmsfying" it.
I just can't for the life of me figure out ANYTHING to use Returned Abeir for.
And for those of you who know me (even a little), you know I've been a DM for 30 years, and I like to think of myself as a never-ending font of plothooks... so to say I can't figure out what the hell to so with something is really just plain sad.
And before any of you try to one-up me and provide all of YOUR ideas, ask yourself - "Can I do this in Faerûn?"
Because if you can, then your just proving my point that RA is useless.