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#1 Antheros Jul 19, 2009 12:17:10	Now that the elves have discovered that 2 of their most important goddesses were in fact aspects of human goddesses, that Rillifane has disappeared, and that others have been discovered to be, primordials, primal spirits, archfeys or exarchs, what relation do you think the elves retain with the Seldarine? Can they continue to trust the Seldarine after discovering that they've been decieved by them all along? Also, what do you think of the 4th edition Seldarine? Did you like them better before or do you like the change?
#2 lord_karsus Jul 19, 2009 13:17:23	-I, personally, ignore it all, like so much other stuff. Too much of it seems to be based on seeking to accomplish specific metagame goals or agendas (ie, limiting the amount of deities present in the setting, or making specific racial pantheons disappear), rather than trying to be consistent and organically flowing Realmslore. -As far as things go in the setting, none of the books mention that there have been major shake-ups concerning Elves and their religions- odds are, most don't even know that many of their deities aren't technically deities, or that they technically aren't actually who they think they are. Because of that, there wouldn't be any major schisms or movements, or anything like that. For the most part, to the people of Faerûn, things are same as they ever were. We know the differences and changes that have been made, but they mostly don't.
#3 nightseer Jul 19, 2009 21:37:43	Way too much of it IMHO. :P ;)
#4 borris Jul 20, 2009 2:57:48	I see no big problem with it, and don't think elves of Faerûn would stop worshipping Sehanine and Aerdrie. Even if Sehanine and Selûne are one and the same, it's still the same goddess that has given spells and guidance to elven clerics for thousands of years. With beings as old as the world itself, you can't really say they're human deities. Besides, there is a precedent for this. In the Realms, Mielikki is know to the elves as Khalreshaar, and worshipped even in Evermeet. No doubt clerics know she is the same being as the 'human' goddess, but they worship her all the same. That a deity goes by different names depending on race or region shouldn't make her any less worthy of respect and worship.
#5 arcas_shan Jul 20, 2009 7:23:31	The funny thing about Sehanine/Selûne is that you can still play them separate. We have rules for Sehanine in the PHB I and for Selûne in the FRPG.:D It's a shame that the same isn't true for the other gods.
#6 suin_bahhar_02 Jul 20, 2009 8:27:24	My guess is that of Sehanines worshippers only the seekers of the 6th and 7th mysteries (i.e. the highest archclerics that have experienced Sehanines/Selunes Mystery of the Night more than 6 times, once every century) actually know that ancient Selune is one and the same as Sehanine, as her celestial moon empowers both her elven aspect and has sought different forms to sway the faith of n'tell'quess. In typical elven alloofness they'll accept Selune as an aspect of Sehanine though. If Sehanines clerics have prolonged contact with Selunes faithfull, especially with older human clerics that have underwent the Mystery more oft (look how humans get the chance to experience it every year!), they propably get that wisdom imparted earlier. Selunes dogma preaches understanding for all sentient creatures, which will aid the Sehanines clergy in accepting the retoric of Selune as one of their own goddes. Her presence amongst humans and elves might give rise to the blurring of the faith, as more and more elves see the wisdom of speaking to n'tel'quess from positions of authority. I think most of the shrines to Selune may see high numbers of elves and halfelves trying to help expand the powerbase of Sehanine.
#7 borris Jul 20, 2009 20:42:32	It doesn't state so clearly, the tables in the 4e Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide and Player's Guide seem to insinuate that it's now common knowledge that Sehanine was an aspect of Selûne, Aerdrie an aspect of Akadi, and Talos an aspect of Gruumsh. Though we're not told what, something has occured in the last century to make mortals aware of such. It probably has something to do with the Spellplague. In my games, elves call their moon goddess Sehanine Moonbow, while humans call theirs Selûne, but most are aware that they're but two aspects of the same deity. Of course, it might also mean that some elves have turned away from Sehanine and instead chosen to worship fully elven deities, as much as that can mean something.
#8 markustay63 Jul 21, 2009 13:21:57	Way too much of it IMHO. :P An Orc after my own heart. :D Personally, I am so over down-sizing the Pantheon. In fact, all the deific idiocy (since 2e) has left with such a bad taste in my mouth for FR, that it may just be the #1 reason I opted to go Hombrew this time out.
#9 LordManshoon Jul 21, 2009 22:16:13	Personally, I'm curious as to Rillifane's fate. He's always been my second favorite elven deity (right after Shevarash), and I'd really like to know what, if any, fate the designers awarded him. An aspect of Silvanus is possible, but about as plausible as any of the other "unmaskings" as it were. Archfey has a lot more potential, though. Since I've ignored the changes to the Seldarine in my own Realms, I know it ultimately doesn't matter, but I'd like to satiate my curiosity regardless.
#10 green_elven_vampire Jul 22, 2009 21:06:50	At least Erevan Ilesere is still in the pantheon and causing trouble across the multiverse.
#11 LordManshoon Jul 22, 2009 21:40:54	At least Erevan Ilesere is still in the pantheon and causing trouble across the multiverse. True. Erevan's my third favorite, and I'm glad he survived the transition. Even if he hadn't, he'd still be running amok in my own realms. Plus, Erevan's a favorite of Erik Scott de Bie, and there's always the chance we might get a brief glimpse of Erevan/his faithful in the new era.