He is a Paladin of Lathander (DM has made a change to Lathanders weapon to be the morning star instead of mace) Right now I have a greatsword +1/+1D6 frost dmg and a full plate +2, gauntlets of ogre strength, Ring of protec +2and a cloak of resist +2, Iron ward of Diamond +1 AC and a scabbard of Keen. What type of stuff should I try to get hold of to boost this toon with better weapon, armor and so on? I have bullrush and soon shocktrooper as feats.
/Thrud
If I know anything about DnD, it's making whoop-@ss Paladins. Heck, I can make a paladin nearly take out a Balor single handedly at 15th level!
If I know anything about DnD, it's making whoop-@ss Paladins. Heck, I can make a paladin nearly take out a Balor single handedly at 15th level!
Explain more. Also, how would you equipt a Half-Orc Paladin of Corellon? Yes I know it sounds stupid and impossible, but that half-orc/half-elf has spent along time proving himself to the highest ideals of elfhood, that even Corellon is starting to look past his.... orcness. Level 8. But go higher if ya want.
Also, how would you equipt a Half-Orc Paladin of Corellon?
-In funeral garb, because that's where such a Half-Orc Paladin of Corellon Larethian belongs. ;)
(It doesn't sound impossible, by the way. It IS impossible. Corellon Larethian does not have Paladins. That aside...)
Well, it would depend on what your build is. From the impression i'm getting, your going to use you Shock Trooper feats NOT mounted, so i'd suggest that you take the Charging Smite class feature from the Player's Handbook 2 instead of the Special Mount. Further, your choice in a 2-hander is a good one, but i'm for optimization over aesthetics and a flaming weapon doesn't compare to a valorous weapon (x2 damage on a charge, or x3 with other modifiers such as Rhino's Rush - a 1st lvl pally spell). Also, see if you can drop the cloak for a Cloak of Charisma +2. Your Cha is the MOST important stat for a Paladin and should be forefront in your mind. At 10th level, you should have a Belt of Strength +4, and for your arms I'd go with the Armbands of Might (Magic Item Compendium). A good belt would be a Belt of Battle also in the MIC. For boots, i'd suggest Boots of Speed for the Haste property. What other feats did you take besides Power Attack, Improved Bull-Rush and Shock Trooper? I hope they include Battle Blessing (Complete Champion) to make most of your spells swift actions and there is a 3rd lvl spell called Find the Gap that treats your first attack each round as a touch attack, practically making Shock Trooper useless.
If I know anything about DnD, it's making whoop-@ss Paladins. Heck, I can make a paladin nearly take out a Balor single handedly at 15th level!
Can I convert to you? Seriously. Wow...-In funeral garb, because that's where such a Half-Orc Paladin of Corellon Larethian belongs. ;)
(It doesn't sound impossible, by the way. It IS impossible. Corellon Larethian does not have Paladins. That aside...)
Umm... Maybe he's a Paladin of Freedom?
Also, I'd say put Elemental Aura on the sword. That way you can jump from Flaming, to Frost, to Acid, to Electric, to even Sonic. Elemental Aura is alot more useful from a tactical stand point.
Umm... Maybe he's a Paladin of Freedom?
-They aren't Paladins, now are they? They're Paladins of Freedom. ;)
-They aren't Paladins, now are they? They're Paladins of Freedom. ;)
Well, you got me there... Maybe his DM house ruled it.
Well, you got me there...
:P
-They aren't Paladins, now are they? They're Paladins of Freedom. ;)
Figure you get me on that small detail that I forgot to mention
Yes, he is a Paladin of Freedom
Explain more.
ok, to take out the Balor:
First, you have to see the character sheet to understand how it works:
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Paladin of Whoop-@ss; CR 15
Male human paladin 15
LG medium humanoid (human)
Init +2; Senses Listen +3, Spot +3
Aura courage (10 ft. allies +4 against fear), good (moderate)
Languages Common
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AC 25, touch 13, flat-footed 24
(+10 armor, +3 shield, +1 Dex, +1 deflection)
hp 178 (15 HD)
Immune disease, fear
Fort +21, Ref +15, Will +16
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Speed 20 ft. (4 squares); base 30 ft.
Melee +1 holy valorous longsword +23/+18/+13 (1d8+10, plus 2d6 against evil/19-20)
Base Atk +15; Grp +21
Atk Options Dreadful Wrath (DC 24), Power Attack, smite evil 4/day (+7 attack; +15 damage or +45 when charging)
Special Actions lay on hands 105 points/day, turn undead 10/day
(+9, 2d6+19; 12th)
Combat Gear wand of cure light wounds (50 charges; CL 5th), 2 flasks of holy water
Paladin Spell Prepared (CL 7th):
4th-deathward
3rd-find the gap*, righteous fury*
2nd-knight’s move*, strength of stone*
1st-divine sacrifice*, rhino’s rush (2)*
* Spell Compendium
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 15th):
At will-detect evil
4/week-remove curse
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Abilities Str 22, Dex 12, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 25
Feats Awesome Smite, Battle Blessing, Dreadful Wrath, Combat Brute,
Divine Might, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (longsword)
Skills Concentration +5, Diplomacy +12*, Handle Animal +10, Heal +7,
Jump +11, Knowledge (nobility/royalty) +3, Knowledge (arcana) +1, Knowledge (religion) +5, Profession (cook) +2, Ride +5, Sense Motive +8
Flaw Qualm: code of arms (-4 melee attacks against unarmed opponents or opponents wielding ranged weapons.)
Possessions combat gear plus +2 mithral full plate, +1 animated heavy steel shield, +1 holy valorous longsword, amulet of health +2, belt of Strength +4, cloak of Charisma +4, pearl of power (2nd), pearl of power (1st), ring of protection +1, vest of resistance +2
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Aura of Courage (Su): Immune to fear, and each ally within 10 feet of the paladin gains a +4 moral bonus on saving throws against fear effects. PH 44
Aura of Good (Su): The power of the paladin’s aura of good (see the detect good spell) is equal to his paladin level, just like the aura of a cleric of a good deity. PH 44
Charging Smite (Ex): When using the charging action and smiting, the paladin can triple the damage of his smite attack. If he misses on the attack, the attempt isn’t considered used for the day. PH2 53
Detect Evil (Sp): Detect evil at will, as the spell. PH 44
Discerning Insight (Ex): The paladin can recognize when a person is trustworthy or not. He gains a +3 bonus on Sense Motive checks when trying to get a "hunch" about the subject's personality after a 1-minute conversation. Web Enhancement:“Dead Levels” WotC website.
Divine Grace (Ex): The paladin adds his Charisma modifier, if any to his saving throws. PH 44
Divine Health (Ex): Immunity to disease. PH 44
Dreadful Wrath (Ex): When charging, making a full attack, or casting a spell that targets an enemy or includes an enemy in its area, the paladin gains the frightful presence abilty for that round. Enemies in a 20’ radius of the paladin must succeed on a Will save DC 24 or be shaken for 1 minute. PGtF 38
Remove Curse (Sp): Remove curse 4/week, as the spell. The paladin may use up two remove curse attempts to produce a break enchantment effect as the spell. CM 33
Smite Evil (Su): Four times per day, the paladin can attempt to smite evil with one normal melee attack. He adds +7 to his attack roll and deals an extra 15 points of damage. PH 44
Paladin of Whoop-@ss; CR 15
Male human paladin 15
LG medium humanoid (human)
Init +2; Senses Listen +3, Spot +3
Aura courage (10 ft. allies +4 against fear), good (moderate)
Languages Common
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AC 25, touch 13, flat-footed 24
(+10 armor, +3 shield, +1 Dex, +1 deflection)
hp 178 (15 HD)
Immune disease, fear
Fort +21, Ref +15, Will +16
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Speed 20 ft. (4 squares); base 30 ft.
Melee +1 holy valorous longsword +23/+18/+13 (1d8+10, plus 2d6 against evil/19-20)
Base Atk +15; Grp +21
Atk Options Dreadful Wrath (DC 24), Power Attack, smite evil 4/day (+7 attack; +15 damage or +45 when charging)
Special Actions lay on hands 105 points/day, turn undead 10/day
(+9, 2d6+19; 12th)
Combat Gear wand of cure light wounds (50 charges; CL 5th), 2 flasks of holy water
Paladin Spell Prepared (CL 7th):
4th-deathward
3rd-find the gap*, righteous fury*
2nd-knight’s move*, strength of stone*
1st-divine sacrifice*, rhino’s rush (2)*
* Spell Compendium
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 15th):
At will-detect evil
4/week-remove curse
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Abilities Str 22, Dex 12, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 25
Feats Awesome Smite, Battle Blessing, Dreadful Wrath, Combat Brute,
Divine Might, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (longsword)
Skills Concentration +5, Diplomacy +12*, Handle Animal +10, Heal +7,
Jump +11, Knowledge (nobility/royalty) +3, Knowledge (arcana) +1, Knowledge (religion) +5, Profession (cook) +2, Ride +5, Sense Motive +8
Flaw Qualm: code of arms (-4 melee attacks against unarmed opponents or opponents wielding ranged weapons.)
Possessions combat gear plus +2 mithral full plate, +1 animated heavy steel shield, +1 holy valorous longsword, amulet of health +2, belt of Strength +4, cloak of Charisma +4, pearl of power (2nd), pearl of power (1st), ring of protection +1, vest of resistance +2
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Aura of Courage (Su): Immune to fear, and each ally within 10 feet of the paladin gains a +4 moral bonus on saving throws against fear effects. PH 44
Aura of Good (Su): The power of the paladin’s aura of good (see the detect good spell) is equal to his paladin level, just like the aura of a cleric of a good deity. PH 44
Charging Smite (Ex): When using the charging action and smiting, the paladin can triple the damage of his smite attack. If he misses on the attack, the attempt isn’t considered used for the day. PH2 53
Detect Evil (Sp): Detect evil at will, as the spell. PH 44
Discerning Insight (Ex): The paladin can recognize when a person is trustworthy or not. He gains a +3 bonus on Sense Motive checks when trying to get a "hunch" about the subject's personality after a 1-minute conversation. Web Enhancement:“Dead Levels” WotC website.
Divine Grace (Ex): The paladin adds his Charisma modifier, if any to his saving throws. PH 44
Divine Health (Ex): Immunity to disease. PH 44
Dreadful Wrath (Ex): When charging, making a full attack, or casting a spell that targets an enemy or includes an enemy in its area, the paladin gains the frightful presence abilty for that round. Enemies in a 20’ radius of the paladin must succeed on a Will save DC 24 or be shaken for 1 minute. PGtF 38
Remove Curse (Sp): Remove curse 4/week, as the spell. The paladin may use up two remove curse attempts to produce a break enchantment effect as the spell. CM 33
Smite Evil (Su): Four times per day, the paladin can attempt to smite evil with one normal melee attack. He adds +7 to his attack roll and deals an extra 15 points of damage. PH 44
[b]Paladin of Whoop-@ss
-Who is this deity you speak of? This "Whoop-@ss" sounds...intriguing...
(@Diffan: Do not let LK in if you value your religion. He's the guy who stole the divinity of a deity of magic with a spell - one . freaking . spell. Can you imagine what he could do to a deity of whoop-@ss?)
ok, to take out the Balor:
First, you have to see the character sheet to understand how it works:Show
Paladin of Whoop-@ss; CR 15
Male human paladin 15
LG medium humanoid (human)
Init +2; Senses Listen +3, Spot +3
Aura courage (10 ft. allies +4 against fear), good (moderate)
Languages Common
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AC 25, touch 13, flat-footed 24
(+10 armor, +3 shield, +1 Dex, +1 deflection)
hp 178 (15 HD)
Immune disease, fear
Fort +21, Ref +15, Will +16
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Speed 20 ft. (4 squares); base 30 ft.
Melee +1 holy valorous longsword +23/+18/+13 (1d8+10, plus 2d6 against evil/19-20)
Base Atk +15; Grp +21
Atk Options Dreadful Wrath (DC 24), Power Attack, smite evil 4/day (+7 attack; +15 damage or +45 when charging)
Special Actions lay on hands 105 points/day, turn undead 10/day
(+9, 2d6+19; 12th)
Combat Gear wand of cure light wounds (50 charges; CL 5th), 2 flasks of holy water
Paladin Spell Prepared (CL 7th):
4th-deathward
3rd-find the gap*, righteous fury*
2nd-knight’s move*, strength of stone*
1st-divine sacrifice*, rhino’s rush (2)*
* Spell Compendium
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 15th):
At will-detect evil
4/week-remove curse
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Abilities Str 22, Dex 12, Con 16, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 25
Feats Awesome Smite, Battle Blessing, Dreadful Wrath, Combat Brute,
Divine Might, Improved Sunder, Power Attack, Weapon Focus (longsword)
Skills Concentration +5, Diplomacy +12*, Handle Animal +10, Heal +7,
Jump +11, Knowledge (nobility/royalty) +3, Knowledge (arcana) +1, Knowledge (religion) +5, Profession (cook) +2, Ride +5, Sense Motive +8
Flaw Qualm: code of arms (-4 melee attacks against unarmed opponents or opponents wielding ranged weapons.)
Possessions combat gear plus +2 mithral full plate, +1 animated heavy steel shield, +1 holy valorous longsword, amulet of health +2, belt of Strength +4, cloak of Charisma +4, pearl of power (2nd), pearl of power (1st), ring of protection +1, vest of resistance +2
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Aura of Courage (Su): Immune to fear, and each ally within 10 feet of the paladin gains a +4 moral bonus on saving throws against fear effects. PH 44
Aura of Good (Su): The power of the paladin’s aura of good (see the detect good spell) is equal to his paladin level, just like the aura of a cleric of a good deity. PH 44
Charging Smite (Ex): When using the charging action and smiting, the paladin can triple the damage of his smite attack. If he misses on the attack, the attempt isn’t considered used for the day. PH2 53
Detect Evil (Sp): Detect evil at will, as the spell. PH 44
Discerning Insight (Ex): The paladin can recognize when a person is trustworthy or not. He gains a +3 bonus on Sense Motive checks when trying to get a "hunch" about the subject's personality after a 1-minute conversation. Web Enhancement:“Dead Levels” WotC website.
Divine Grace (Ex): The paladin adds his Charisma modifier, if any to his saving throws. PH 44
Divine Health (Ex): Immunity to disease. PH 44
Dreadful Wrath (Ex): When charging, making a full attack, or casting a spell that targets an enemy or includes an enemy in its area, the paladin gains the frightful presence abilty for that round. Enemies in a 20’ radius of the paladin must succeed on a Will save DC 24 or be shaken for 1 minute. PGtF 38
Remove Curse (Sp): Remove curse 4/week, as the spell. The paladin may use up two remove curse attempts to produce a break enchantment effect as the spell. CM 33
Smite Evil (Su): Four times per day, the paladin can attempt to smite evil with one normal melee attack. He adds +7 to his attack roll and deals an extra 15 points of damage. PH 44
-Who is this deity you speak of? This "Whoop-@ss" sounds...intriguing...
A deity of gigantic proportions! One who never cowers in the presence of evil and can stamp out foes with a mere gaze. Pathetic 'so-called-deities' such as Bane and Cyric are like the buzzing of flies to him. He. Is. WHOOP-@SS!!!
(@Diffan: Do not let LK in if you value your religion. He's the guy who stole the divinity of a deity of magic with a spell - one . freaking . spell. Can you imagine what he could do to a deity of whoop-@ss?)
Whoop-@ss does not fear silly wizards and they're spells.
On one hand, I feel dirty for asking if I could convert... Feel like I've betrayed Hoar, but on the other hand. Oy... I think I just fell in love with that character build.
In all seriousness, the build is pretty simple that can incorporate any deity.
I took a Flaw only to gain the Dreadful Wrath feat so it's not required. Also, Weapon Focus can easily be switched with Improved Initiative or even Improved Bull-Rush. The build I used was:
1st, Human- Power Attack, Improved Sunder
3rd- Weapon Focus or Improved Initiative
5th- Charging Smite (ACF)
6th- Battle Blessing, Remove Curse (ACF)
9th- Combat Brute
12th- Awesome Smite
15th- Divine Might
18th- Free
Divine Might is good, as well as Law Devotion or even Extra Smite. At 18th level I like Sacred Vitality or Leadership.
In all seriousness, the build is pretty simple that can incorporate any deity.
I took a Flaw only to gain the Dreadful Wrath feat so it's not required. Also, Weapon Focus can easily be switched with Improved Initiative or even Improved Bull-Rush. The build I used was:
1st, Human- Power Attack, Improved Sunder
3rd- Weapon Focus or Improved Initiative
5th- Charging Smite (ACF)
6th- Battle Blessing, Remove Curse (ACF)
9th- Combat Brute
12th- Awesome Smite
15th- Divine Might
18th- Free
Divine Might is good, as well as Law Devotion or even Extra Smite. At 18th level I like Sacred Vitality or Leadership.
Eh, I tend to lean more towards being able to Tank with my pure Paladins. Will most of my cross-class Paladins tend toward combat prowess. Most of them seem almost "sub par", but it's still fun using them.
A deity of gigantic proportions! One who never cowers in the presence of evil and can stamp out foes with a mere gaze. Pathetic 'so-called-deities' such as Bane and Cyric are like the buzzing of flies to him. He. Is. WHOOP-@SS!!!
-Whoop-@ss intrigues me. Wonder what the Tarraqsue is doing this time of year...
-Whoop-@ss intrigues me. Wonder what the Tarraqsue is doing this time of year...
Why is there a part of me that thinks the Tarraqsue is really Whoop-@ss's avatar? :P
Why is there a part of me that thinks the Tarraqsue is really Whoop-@ss's avatar? :P
-If that is so, then I've already had dealings with Whoop-@ss before, by proxy!
-If that is so, then I've already had dealings with Whoop-@ss before, by proxy!
Ah, but was it a Tarraqsue with the celestial template? I think not.
For damage, you take the weapon damage 1d8 (we'll say 4 average) + 13 (Str/weapon property) + 30 (from PA with two hands on the longsword) + 45 (from charging smite) + 7 (from Divine Might)= 95 dmg. This number is tripled with Rhino's Rush and the valorous property= 285 dmg. Add the average damage from the holy property (6)= 291 dmg. But the balor has DR 15/cold iron and good so -15= 274. To eliminate the Balor's DR, instead cast Find the Gap and Bless Weapon on your 1st round to make the weapon good aligned. I didn't say it would kill the balor, but darn well come close and with no help and 5 levels lower than it's CR.
Yea, so apparently my basic arithmetic is....well bad. Not to beat a dead horse but the damage output would be 99 then x3 to 297 then -15 to 282 which is still 9 hps away from dropping the Balor. I really need to learn to read the stuff I type.
Ah, but was it a Tarraqsue with the celestial template? I think not.
-I don't know. I didn't deal with it one on one. I'll have to conjure up the souls of those adventurers who did my dirty work, and ask them.
so you say that I should dump this feat? If so what should I take instead?
/Thrud
Combat Brute is way more effective than Shock Trooper. If you have the spell Find the Gap on it'll make your damage on the turn after you charge deal that much more. Also, with levels of Fighter, you might want to invest some ranks in Jump so that Leap Attack is easier to obtain. By making a power-jump attack at the end of your charge gives your power attack ratio 4:1 (4 dmg to -1 attack). Now that's sweet!
My pally has a buid up alot like your Diffan but I multiclass him as a Fist of Raziel :P
I have a fighter2/Paladin8
He is a Paladin of Lathander (DM has made a change to Lathanders weapon to be the morning star instead of mace) Right now I have a greatsword +1/+1D6 frost dmg and a full plate +2, gauntlets of ogre strength, Ring of protec +2and a cloak of resist +2, Iron ward of Diamond +1 AC and a scabbard of Keen. What type of stuff should I try to get hold of to boost this toon with better weapon, armor and so on? I have bullrush and soon shocktrooper as feats.
/Thrud
head,helm of brillance
neck,badge of glory (another multiplyer to paladin lvs) MIC
your weapon should haveivine wrath(adds 1d6 per 1 cha mod to undead(example +5 cha mod +5d6 extra damage))if you worship lathander,you should be fighting undead alot,almost as much as a worshiper of kelemvor
belt of one mighty blow,or belt of battle
caduceus bracers mic
true strike gauntlets
ring of evasion (cuz your saves shouldn't be bad why not)
...if you worship lathander,you should be fighting undead alot,almost as much as a worshiper of kelemvor...
-Not true, necessarily. Morninglords do not like Undead, it's true, but who and what they fight is dependent on the DM. As I said earlier, I am playing a Morninglord, and I, as of right now, have only killed a Mummy nine levels in.
im sorry for ya lol,i love fighting undead,they make very well rounded "bad guys" imo but thats just me...
-I don't like Undead as enemies. In the past, my DM has overused them, so they've lost their appeal to me. Plus, most Undead are pretty 2D.
-I don't like Undead as enemies. In the past, my DM has overused them, so they've lost their appeal to me. Plus, most Undead are pretty 2D.
On one hand, I'm with Lord Karsus, while on another. I hate undead with a passion. I might be able to stand Vampires, at least I can get an intelligent conversation out of them, same with Lichs. However, unlike with Vampires, any Lich I come across, I "re-kill". Because they are corruptions of the natural order. And I take offense at there very existences. Zombies, Animated Skeletons, Wraiths, Liches, ect. The thought of disturbing someone rest just to rise them as mindless grunt cannon fodder, sickens me. At least most vampires have the up side of very being put in the earth to start with. But even that wouldn't protect them from me for long.
On one hand, I'm with Lord Karsus, while on another. I hate undead with a passion.
-Well, I didn't say I like Undead. If encountered, my character would certainly take grave offense to their mere existence, and proceed to perform a Greater Turning, and then pummel them with the holy light of Lathander.
/thrud
-Well, I didn't say I like Undead. If encountered, my character would certainly take grave offense to their mere existence, and proceed to perform a Greater Turning, and then pummel them with the holy light of Lathander.
No, I meant that I was with you on the Undead pretty much being "done to death" (forgive the pun). Depending on the campaign and the DM, it's almost imposable to go anywhere without stumbling over Undead.
Yes we hate the undead me and my brother who is a Morninglord (dunno if thats the paladin class with Lathander) I play a paladin of Lathander so I dont get the goodies that my brother gets.
-Morninglord is the generic title for a priest of Lathander. It is also the name of a PrC in Player's Guide to Faerûn.
No, I meant that I was with you on the Undead pretty much being "done to death" (forgive the pun). Depending on the campaign and the DM, it's almost imposable to go anywhere without stumbling over Undead.
-Oh, oh. Yeah, my DM uses Undead whenever he can, to the point that, after having him DMed me for so long, Undead are boring. The more common forms, anyway. Currently, our BBEG is some kind of large Undead Shade thing (A Nightshade, perhaps), and, so far, that's no played out, as it is different.
Yes we hate the undead me and my brother who is a Morninglord (dunno if thats the paladin class with Lathander) I play a paladin of Lathander so I dont get the goodies that my brother gets. I will try to find a valorous great sword, Belt of giant strength, cloak of charisma, boots of speed and armbands of might. Is there any good helmet out there I like things that always work and not have just 3 uses per day... what about a helmet that works like the "Helmet of the purple plume" with a +2 Cha bonus, where can I find info about Helm of brilliance?
/thrud
Hmm, well the Helm of the purple plume's +2 Cha won't stack with that of a cloak of charisma. You could look into what an Angelhelm does, it's listed in the Magic Item Compendium. Also, other things such as headband of Intellect could easily be constructed into a helm. As for the Helm of Brilliance, it's listed in the Dungeon Master's Guide.
hrm...headband of intellect...sounds nice.... ;)
/thrudd
My pally has a buid up alot like your Diffan but I multiclass him as a Fist of Raziel
That's a sweet Prestige class. All full of Smiting goodness. I didn't go that route more because the thought of going 20 levels of paladin and then Epic paladin just makes me feel.....accomplished.
im sorry for ya lol,i love fighting undead,they make very well rounded "bad guys" imo but thats just me,btw dose rhino's rush double ALL damage from a charge or is like a crit and just do weapon damage
Rhino's Rush doubles ALL damage done on a charge attack. This means weapon damage, smiting damage, divine might damage, power attck damage, but not extra-die damage such as the Holy property, sneak attack, etc. Yes, a very sweet spell indeed and a lvl 1 at that!!