I noted right away two things: Lady Moonfire's canines are a bit long (almost like a vampire with that smile) and she's a warlock. This left me wondering if she has a Fey Pact or Infernal Pact.
Guess I'll have to check page 17 of the FRCG when it comes out.
You know...the way this excerpt reads is as though the front end of the Campaign Guide starts out with either an adventure or very detailed location info about Loudwater.
Consider that you can find, "...the Snake Folk of Najara adventure (see page 32) or the Lair of Shadows adventure (see page 28)..." at the front end of the book.
Other thoughts.....I like the way NPCs are presented. The details for Curuvar the Brazen inform DMs where he can be found, what his personality traits are and what his motivations are.
This is good because it leaves DM's in the easy position of roleplaying their own style of eccentric, suspicious wizard who frequents a tavern with the goal of finding those who he can best manipulate into unearthing information about the Dire Wood and Draigdurroch Tower.
Good stuff. I could do a lot with just this information alone.
I noted right away two things: Lady Moonfire's canines are a bit long (almost like a vampire with that smile) and she's a warlock. This left me wondering if she has a Fey Pact or Infernal Pact.
With her tiefling fetish?
Interesting reward for a skill challenge encounter though.
Bel
Anyhow, listen well—the so-called Ogre King was no mere ogre—it was a being called an oni, an ogrelike beast with mystical powers.
Shhhht, wise old wizard, you will be shocked by what I'll tell you but I simply have to. These beings are called ogre-mages since a few thousand years. Maybe they're called Oni in Kara-Tur....
Shhhht, wise old wizard, you will be shocked by what I'll tell you but I simply have to. These beings are called ogre-mages since a few thousand years. Maybe they're called Oni in Kara-Tur....
-I notice no levels.
-To echo Meldred, the entire article seems very 'blah'. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, being as that I don't have the adventure that this place is supposed to take place in.
-And, concerning the artwork, I, personally, find it quite subpar to what I expect in D&D sourcebooks.
-I notice no levels.
-To echo Meldred, the entire article seems very 'blah'. I'll give it the benefit of the doubt, being as that I don't have the adventure that this place is supposed to take place in.
-And, concerning the artwork, I, personally, find it quite subpar to what I expect in D&D sourcebooks.
Well, its not an adventure but a detailed town for a default campaign starting point. I think.
The artwork is poor
Shhhht, wise old wizard, you will be shocked by what I'll tell you but I simply have to. These beings are called ogre-mages since a few thousand years. Maybe they're called Oni in Kara-Tur....
Shhht new Monster Manual renamed them to Oni.
I kinda liked the article, it was far better than nothing. The only thing that bugs me is the warlock showing so much teeth, I never can take anyone with such a smile serious.
I noted right away two things: Lady Moonfire's canines are a bit long (almost like a vampire with that smile) and she's a warlock. This left me wondering if she has a Fey Pact or Infernal Pact.
I noticed that they couldn't bother to give her a first name. And that "Moonfire" is pretty damn lame for a Realmsian name.
Other thoughts.....I like the way NPCs are presented. The details for Curuvar the Brazen inform DMs where he can be found, what his personality traits are and what his motivations are.
No, "seeking information about the Dire Wood" is not a motivation. That's called a "goal." If they had bothered to explain why Curuvar is seeking information about the Dire Wood, they might have given us his "motivation." A motive is the reason why someone acts, not the act itself.
It might also have been nice to know why he's called the "Brazen".
This is good because it leaves DM's in the easy position of roleplaying their own style of eccentric, suspicious wizard who frequents a tavern with the goal of finding those who he can best manipulate into unearthing information about the Dire Wood and Draigdurroch Tower.
Thanks, but I can come up with my own lame adventure hooks - I only pay for the good ones. And NPCs aren't supposed to be adventure hooks - they're supposed to be characters. Not a couple of paragraphs of knowing clichés.
Well, its not an adventure but a detailed town for a default campaign starting point. I think.
-Close enough.
I noticed that they couldn't bother to give her a first name.
-Maybe her name is 'Lady'?
If they had bothered to explain why Curuvar is seeking information about the Dire Wood, they might have given us his "motivation."
-There's only 1 reason why anyone would be interested in the Dire Wood.
:DShhht new Monster Manual renamed them to Oni.
-Which wouldn't change the fact that, in Faerûn, they're known as Ogre-Magi. Or, rather, were. There is 100 years +/- progressing here.
Shhht new Monster Manual renamed them to Oni.
I kinda liked the article, it was far better than nothing. The only thing that bugs me is the warlock showing so much teeth, I never can take anyone with such a smile serious.
I have a Colombian co-worker that looks just like that (no pointy ears thought
)-Maybe her name is 'Lady'?
That's what I thought also
-There's only 1 reason why anyone would be interested in the Dire Wood.
Indeed!Which wouldn't change the fact that, in Faerûn, they're known as Ogre-Magi. Or, rather, were. There is 100 years +/- progressing here.
Is it me or some one is cooking RECTON? :P
-If this is what we are going to get in the 4-Gotten Realms, forget it. :embarrass
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Shhht new Monster Manual renamed them to Oni.
Yep, and it made succubi to baatezu, angels to faceless aliens, eladrin to high elves and many more annoying retcons. And suddenly this is supposed to be how it has always been (yeah, yeah, that's the very nature of a retcon, but this is too much). I'm going to invest into the old 3E material, I hoped, that there was a reason to buy it, but the only one I can see is the swordmage, and that's not enough.
-Close enough.
-Maybe her name is 'Lady'?
-There's only 1 reason why anyone would be interested in the Dire Wood.
-Which wouldn't change the fact that, in Faerûn, they're known as Ogre-Magi. Or, rather, were. There is 100 years +/- progressing here.
The Ladies full name might very well be on another page, like the town overview under "important NPCs".
Dire Wood
...ok :D It´s a retcon ;)
I have a Colombian co-worker that looks just like that (no pointy ears thought
Awesome. But wait, does he look like an Oni:greenish skin, long yellow teeth, white hair, yellow eyes......or like an elderly humanoid. ? Also does he devour souls? ;)
Yep, and it made succubi to baatezu, angels to faceless aliens, eladrin to high elves and many more annoying retcons. And suddenly this is supposed to be how it has always been (yeah, yeah, that's the very nature of a retcon, but this is too much). I'm going to invest into the old 3E material, I hoped, that there was a reason to buy it, but the only one I can see is the swordmage, and that's not enough.
Succubi to baatezu, is something I can accept, but I don´t like it, basicly it makes them devils advocate and no longer chaotic temptress. And it´s not tough to change.
Angels... well from an artistic point of view they don´t look bad, but I prefer angels with faces. It would be okay if there were some angels with the feature, but....well I liked HoMM5 angels.
Giving high elfs and sun elfs a new teleport power from an old connection to their old realm would be strange in the old realms, but after 100 years it could be icorporated into the setting.
And I really hope for you that you can grap some cheap 3rd edition books.
Succubi to baatezu, is something I can accept, but I don´t like it, basicly it makes them devils advocate and no longer chaotic temptress. And it´s not tough to change.
Agreed, it's just a minor inconvenience which can be changed pretty easily back (even though it influences everything that will be written about the nine hells and the abyss from now on). What irks me more is the loss of the power to drain life by acts of passion, it wouldn't have been that hard to change that from levels to HP....
Angels... well from an artistic point of view they don´t look bad, but I prefer angels with faces. It would be okay if there were some angels with the feature, but....well I liked HoMM5 angels.
Of course they don't look bad, in a new setting I would accept them without problems, but not as replacement for Deva, Planetar and Solar.
Giving high elfs and sun elfs a new teleport power from an old connection to their old realm would be strange in the old realms, but after 100 years it could be icorporated into the setting.
Their teleport power isn't the problem (a levitation power with the same effects would've fit better to the background they had till now, but who cares, the teleportation power is really cool if you think of it like Half Life Portal), the problem is their name, which was until now reserved for the chaotic good equivalent of angels. If they at least had made a real connection to the celestial eladrin, maybe as dead high elven paladins and priests which got elevated by the gods, but instead they made ghaele, bralani and firre titles of eladrin nobility....
And I really hope for you that you can grap some cheap 3rd edition books.
Thanks a lot
, unfortunately I've only found the books here normal-priced or already sold-out (darn english imports ), but I hope they become cheaper when the 4E-Books for Faerun are released.I'm keeping in mind that these excerpts are what they consider to be 'attention grabbers' - something that makes me want to buy the FRCS. What I read does the exact opposite. It almost put me to sleep.
It felt as if the whole goal was to just put up a big sign and say, 'Monsters are over there, kill them!'
That really isn't how the Realm's worked, or at least it isn't how I ran the Realms. This shouldn't have changed in the 100 year time jump.
To me the Realms was always a place where you were inevitably sucked into a plot somewhere, somehow, even through minor actions. Entering a town could potentially put you right in the middle of a conflict between two guilds. Angering a certain NPC could lead to whole adventures. Going after the Goblin King inevitably led to greater, more sinister plots - there was always webs within webs, and strings attached to strings as a myriad of different organizations vied for power.
You might think you're battling some local thieves guild, only to later find out, for example, that they have connections to the Zhents who are trying to expand their power base into the region. Or maybe they have a portal and are funneling slaves back to a Red Wizard in Thay.
That friendly old Innkeeper who just happens to give the right advice, always prodding you in one direction or another? He's a Harper. Oh, and he's been manipulating you into a fight against the local lord.
The Realms has always been a tangled web of allegiances and connections, both formal and informal. They inevitably lead the PC's to adventure, but there was always a reason behind going to that monster filled ruin outside of loot and XP. That is what I loved so much about the Realms, outside of the lore.
I didn't get that feeling reading that entry.
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The first thing I would have done was give Curuvar the axe. I hate stereotypical wizards, and considering all the work they've done to downplay the Chosen - either by killing them or removing them from the picture - Curuvar just feels like a pale imitation of Elminster. I'd replace him with:
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Byron Moors
This middle-aged man looks as though he might have seen better days. With graying hair that is only slightly groomed, and clothes that seem faded with time - with numerous half-attempts at patchwork - the man is either very cheap, poor or cares little for his public appearance.
Personality Traits: Byron is so cheap he'll squeeze the last copper until it begs for mercy. At the end of the day, he's a good man, always ready to greet a new comer with a smile and a nod, or lend a helping hand to someone who needs it (provided it doesn't involve him spending any coin). He cares little for public appearances, believing actions are what make the man, not how he looks.
Favorite Locations: The Green Tankard tavern (area 5).
Motivation: Byorn is a sly old man who is a former Harper that maintains ties to the organization. While he strongly insists that he is "retired" he is still very much active. Harping is in his blood. Once he finds out the PC's are adventurers he will attempt to manipulate them by placing them at odds with Baron Vangost de Lomarr (see page #) who he believes is an agent in the Zhentarim.
Roleplaying Opportunity: Once the PC's approach Byron to speak with him about anything, he will attempt to strike up a seemingly casual conversation, noticing the PC's are from out of town. Once Byron learns that they are a group of adventurers he will begin to casually drop hints about the Barrow of the Ogre King and the horn totem (see page 18).
If he grabs their attention he will show them the horn totem and tell them of the skull totem that remains in the Barrow. He will then promise the PCs the horn totem if they can retrieve the skull totem, and then relate the tale of their adventure to those who patronize his tavern. If questioned on where he got the horn totem he will claim he obtained it from a group of adventurers who passed through some days back.
In truth he obtained the totem from a Harper Scout who had infiltrated the Barrow after they learned that a Zhent Agent, with a possible connection to Baron Lomarr, was meeting with the Ogre King. He wants to manipulate the PC's into attacking the Barrow and uncovering more information and then making it publicly available to disrupt any Zhent activity in the area. (Of course, he also knows that relating such a tale would gain quite the audience which means more profits are to be had.)
If the PCs return and relate their tale to Byron, then keep their end of the deal by telling the tale of their adventure and how they stopped the Zhent plot of disrupting trade in the region to Byron's patrons, he will give them the horn totem as promised. Baron Vangost de Lomarr and Lady Moonfire will be in the audience as they relate their tale and speak to them afterward.
Sometime within the next week, as the PC's take an extended rest they will be attacked by Zhent Assassins. If they reveal what happened to Byron he will then inform them that the Baron is a Zhent Agent, manipulating Lady Moonfire, and attempting to take over Loudwater. He will keep his Harper connections a secret, although if pressed on how he obtained his information, and with a successful Diplomacy Check of 15 he will reveal the truth.
Manor House
This grand manor house is a jewel of dwarven craftsmanship. The building includes its own stable, buttery, and servants’ home. The manor appears to be over two hundred years old, and it looks as though it might weather another two hundred.
Built by a dwarf artisan for a self-styled elf lord, this manor house was the seed from which Loudwater grew. The mansion is currently home to Lady Verissa Moonfire a descended from the original lord.
Lady Verissa Moonfire
This youthful half-elf favors a black gown sewn with silver thread. Glittering rings decorate her delicate fingers, and a silver amulet hangs regally from her neck.
Personality Traits: Lady Moonfire is given to laughter and light-hearted jest. While she is likable, many regard her as flippant and flighty. Although she is the town leader, she has little interest in her civic duties, and would rather leave these obligations to others. She is more interested in throwing grand balls and social events to which she can invite rich merchants, caravan captains, well-todo Loudwater citizens, and famous visitors.
Favorite Locations: The Green Tankard tavern (area 5) and her home (area 16).
Motivation: Lady Verissa Moonfire finds her life dull and boring and longs for some grand adventure. She is fascinated by the tales of 'real' adventurers, and to this end, she takes a strong interest in the PC's.
Roleplaying Opportunity: If the PC's are lured into Byron's quest to explore the Barrow of the Ogre King, and then upon their return relate their tale of their adventure in the Green Tankard Lady Moonfire with the Baron will be there to listen and observe.
Afterward, she will approach the PC's inviting them to attend her grand ball, which is set to occur in two days. The ball is a costume party, and no one will be admitted without a mask.
If they do not explore the Barrow of the Ogre King, Loudwater will be attacked by goblin raiders, and they will be enlisted by Marshal Samuel Vanerhoff (see page #) to help defend the town.
If PCs defend the town from the goblin raiders, Lady Moonfire soon hears of it and sends invitations to the PCs. On white cards with inlaid gold script, she entreats them to the same grand ball mentioned above.
If PCs take advantage of this invitation, they have the opportunity to mingle with Loudwater’s important personages and hear stories of trade, travel, and far off places, such as Waterdeep, Amn, and Netheril. Lady Moonfire makes an effort to speak with the characters.
If the characters take advantage of this opportunity, they will learn a great deal about Lady Moonfire, as well as her consort Baron Vangost de Lomarr (see page #), who in truth runs the day-to-day affairs of the town.
The quest to accompany and safeguard her on a trip to the Dire Wood will be offered, as she is interested in a tower called Draigdurroch, which lies on the edge of the woods. According to her research, Draigdurroch once held a small library of arcane tomes.
If the PCs accept this quest, and accompany Lady Moonfire they will be attacked by Zhent Assassins on their next extended rest while on the journey. However, rather than killing them, they will attempt to capture (and then kill) Lady Moonfire. If or when the PC's return to Loudwater, they will quickly be met by the Town Guards who arrest them on the charge of murdering Lady Moonfire. As evidence, there will be a lone witness, a traveling merchant by the name of Xavier Jives (see page #). In truth Xavier is a Zhent Agent and the Barons connection to the Zhents. It will also be revealed that the Baron himself ordered their arrest, and that he is now the new town leader.
The PC's will then be put on a sham trial with the Baron as judge and sentenced to death. However, while waiting in their cells to be executed they will be rescued by the Harpers, who will then take them to their hideout within Loudwater. It will also be revealed that they can depend on Byron Moors the owner of the Green Tankard. The Harpers will enlist the PC's aid in defeating the Baron, if not to save the city from falling under Zhent control, then to clear their own names of any wrongdoing.
If the PC's are successful in protecting Lady Moonfire from the Zhent Assassins, and then successfully kill their leader, they will uncover a letter from the Baron, revealing him as a Zhent Agent and behind the plot. They will then return to the city, with a very much alive and angry Lady Moonfire, only to discover the Baron has already made his escape. The PC's will then be given the opportunity to chase him down.
I am intrigued. It sounds like Chapter One will be a ready-to-play campaign, which is helpful for new people wanting to jump right in. I would like to see one of these adventures it refers to as a future excerpt, just to see how much information is given for them.
Look into the DMG town. There are some adventure options, I expect the same in the FRCG.
The first thing I would have done was give Curuvar the axe. I hate stereotypical wizards, and considering all the work they've done to downplay the Chosen - either by killing them or removing them from the picture - Curuvar just feels like a pale imitation of Elminster.
-Looking at the picture, Elminster was the first thing I thought of.
Awesome. But wait, does he look like an Oni:greenish skin, long yellow teeth, white hair, yellow eyes......or like an elderly humanoid. ? Also does he devour souls? ;)
I mean Lady Moonfire...:embarrass
Just to showcase some of the biggest people around now, unless it is all in ruin and only the outskirt towns and villages away from any cetral plot points remain standing...
I noted right away two things: Lady Moonfire's canines are a bit long (almost like a vampire with that smile) ...
So I'm not the only one who thought her face was a bit...odd looking.
Anyway, I was underwhelmed by this excerpt. I guess these NPCs work well enough as stock quest-givers, but the excerpt doesn't say very much about them as actual characters.
I noticed that they couldn't bother to give her a first name. And that "Moonfire" is pretty damn lame for a Realmsian name.
We didn’t get her full write up though. There’s supposed to be more on page 17 of the FRCG.
As for her name, what’s not to like? Would you prefer more of the same? “Moonflower,” perhaps? :P
No, "seeking information about the Dire Wood" is not a motivation. That's called a "goal." If they had bothered to explain why Curuvar is seeking information about the Dire Wood, they might have given us his "motivation." A motive is the reason why someone acts, not the act itself.
Was there a reason to get worked up over semantics from an excerpt that I missed?
Curuvar is motivated to seek information about the Dire Wood. Seems simple enough.
It might also have been nice to know why he's called the "Brazen".
Yes, it would. I mean, if the name alone is enough to pick your interest, I’m sure it would catch a player’s interest as well.
But lacking that specific information, so what?
We know from his description that Curuvar is tightlipped and not prone to sharing information. This just provides a Realms DM with more opportunities to fill in the gaps and make up a good back story for the guy as the players interact with him and maybe pry away at his reticence.
And NPCs aren't supposed to be adventure hooks - they're supposed to be characters. Not a couple of paragraphs of knowing clichés.
I think you’re overreacting a bit. It almost sounded like you just said NPCs aren’t supposed to be adventure hooks.
Now I don’t know about you, but I find it hard not to get my adventures going without the use of NPCs.
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I don’t understand why it’s necessary to waste vital page count giving overlong details about NPCs. This fits a motto of mine (borrowed from an FR Game Designer): Dungeon Masters, not Dungeon Lackeys.
Give the basics, tie the NPC into the setting by a few threads and let the DM use these tools to do the rest.
Now from my POV, the excerpt is not only doing that, but doing it well.
I like the emphasis WotC is placing on getting the characters right into the action from the get go.
It’s almost like they wrote the FRCG exactly to my tastes. ;)
You are overlooking a giant fact: It's boring. Chapter 1: Loudwater is being used to help introduce new DM's into the Realm's. I think that's great. However, it's freakin' boring and flat. This chapter should have been used to stimulate a new DM's mind, to get them to go "Wow, I really want to run this adventure". It should have been used as a way to get veteran DM's involved as well to go, "Wow, I really want to use this NPC, this location, this organization, this idea, or this entire adventure."
Chapter 1 should be designed to suck you in and keep you there. This preview is supposed to suck you in and make you want to buy the FRCS. It failed on both counts.
Sure, these NPC's direct you "right to the action" but if it's action you want there is little reason to purchase a campaign setting. Just create a single town, in a high magic setting with portals everywhere (think Sigil) and have the PC's constantly jumping off from one dungeon to the next.
Chapter 1 was supposed to introduce everyone to the Realm's and give everyone an idea of what an adventure in the Realm's looks like. It was supposed to be more about flavor than action. Even a new DM can easily create that set up. "Here is the nearest ruin / dungeon / cave with monsters. Go defeat them." That's what it boiled down too.
There is nothing wrong with playing a mostly combat oriented game, but if that is what you want there is little need for an entire campaign setting.
You are overlooking a giant fact: It's boring. Chapter 1: Loudwater is being used to help introduce new DM's into the Realm's. I think that's great. However, it's freakin' boring and flat.
How did you get your hands on the whole of Chapter 1?
I only got to read one excerpt from it.
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And for the record: No, the excerpt doesn't actually jump right out of the screen (what will be "the page" in August) and grab you with astounding insights and heady lore sure to make your heart beat faster and your mind race at all the new gaming possibilities.
But that's OK (for me). Based on what Chapter 1 looks to be trying to do, I'd say it's doing it correctly. I'll take it, for now.
It’s almost like they wrote the FRCG exactly to my tastes. ;)
You mean bland and dull with stock-characters? I thought the Core campaign was for that?
They could really have thought up better NPCs imo.
How about NOT giving the wizard a beard and a pointy hat? How about giving him more motivation than 'wants to know stuff'... How about not giving him the single most dumbest catchphrase there is? Seriously.
I like it. And I’m keeping the perspective that it’s just a snapshot.
What else can I say?
The last one of these introductory locations I saw was pretty boring too - I think it was the 2e FR boxset with the Shadowdale starter setting. Carefully aimed at newcomers to the Realms and the game as I recall.
mind you she could come back later and kidnap tiefling characters for personal use; male and or female ones...
I mean Lady Moonfire...:embarrass
Oh...well I guess ;) thats way better then. I actually had a former co-worker that looked exactly like the female eladrin fron the PB races capter, I am considering to glue somehing over it.......
the look is rather tough on me.If the rest of the chapter is like this I'll have to spend a quite a bit of time on it to get it useable or just simply homerule it out with a completely different version of Loudwater or just avoid the area entirely.
If the rest of the chapter is like this I'll have to spend a quite a bit of time on it to get it useable or just simply homerule it out with a completely different version of Loudwater or just avoid the area entirely.
You're a true optimist, I don't want to shatter that, but what if the whole book is that way?
Seemed a little odd to mention well-to-do people in a town of only 2,000... much less grand balls and the like. Can't see why any frontier town would ever consider someone like that their leader to be honest... unless there's something strange and sinister going on with her. Very disjointed I think is how I would describe it.
I don't understand, what is odd about a town with 'only' 2 thousand people (not counting travelers) having well-to-do people? The current head of Loudwater is a descendant of the original founder and she wants to throw grand balls. She wants to pretend to be a big time aristocrat that tells me something about her character. The average Loudwater citizen probably rolls theirs eyes when “uppity up” Lady Moonfire announces another “waste of time only for the mighty” Grand Ball. Or maybe the average citizens likes grand balls, “Hey Waterdeep has large parties, why can’t we?” As for the honesty issue, maybe they don’t like her but the Moonfires never done harm to Loudwater before and they managed to defend us from the Zhents in the past…etc…etc…
Be a DM, fill in the blanks. Or rewrite it.
This snapshot, while though an unusual choice to showcase the new Realms, is a starter town to new inexperience players and dungeonmasters.
And finally, what is in a name or nickname? There is nothing wrong with Moonfire as a Realmsian name, the continent of Toril is a big place with many diverse cultures and some new ones too. I have most of the old material from the late 1980’s up to now, I can find many names that look funny to me but I learned to live with it.
what if the whole book is that way?
This is the first bit of information on 4e FR that I've read that I've disliked. I liked all of the Countdown articles and even the Amn excerpt. So I'm not going to be that pessimistic at this stage.
I don't understand, what is odd about a town with 'only' 2 thousand people (not counting travelers) having well-to-do people? The current head of Loudwater is a descendant of the original founder and she wants to throw grand balls.
Well, let's start with the obvious. I forget the year at the time of publication, but 2E's The North boxed set describes Loudwater as a town of 4,000. The 3E FRCS attributes a figure of 8,137. Thus, in a little over a century, the town has lost three quarters of its population. Not exactly indicative of a town on the rise, with lots of wealth available for frippery.
Secondly, in a town of 2,000 in the middle of the North, in a time when, WoTC has made clear, trade and contact between the "points of light" is even less common than it was in any earlier edition of the Realms, the vast majority of inhabitants of Loudwater are going to be focused on basic survival. They'll be farmers, artisans, hunters, trappers, etc. Those people don't go to "grand balls." They go to bed when the sun sets, and rise with the sun as well. They have neither the time, nor energy, nor disposable income to take part in "grand balls." It's difficult to throw even one ball, let alone a series of them when you can only invite perhaps 20 people.
There are other problems with Lady Moonfire. It's important to remember that "Lady Moonfire" may be a descendant of the original lord of Loudwater, but a century earlier, the Lord of Loudwater was Nanathlor Greysword, originally from Nimbral. He clearly was not a member of that family, rather, according to FR5, Loudwater "needed him." That suggests that whoever Lady Moonfire's family is, it wasn't as important a century before.
More importantly, any manor house built two hundred years ago could not have been the seed from which Loudwater grew, given that the town came into being around a bridge, built by the dwarf Iirkos Stoneshoulder 1,000 years ago, and the pool which serves as a river harbor (also FR5 & the North boxed set).
So, basically, either WoTC has decided to simply chuck all of the history out the door, or Lady Moonfire makes close to zero canonical sense.
And finally, what is in a name or nickname? There is nothing wrong with Moonfire as a Realmsian name, the continent of Toril is a big place with many diverse cultures and some new ones too. I have most of the old material from the late 1980’s up to now, I can find many names that look funny to me but I learned to live with it.
You may have found many names that look funny, but they belong in the Realms. Realms characters tend to have names like Elaith Craulnober, Volothamp Geddarm, Khelben "the Blackstaff" Arunsun. Those names are indicative of their "Realmsishness." Not "Lady Moonfire." That could come from literally any RPG. If WoTC is going to offer 3 supplements for the Realms for the span of this edition, it would have been nice if they could have tried just a little bit harder.
“Yes, I did indeed sneak into the barrow. By Mystra’s lost spell, you wouldn’t believe what a dull race goblins are! My wizardry easily incapacitated them. However, I didn’t find what I wanted. I took the horn totem as a souvenir. Tell you what—if you recover the matching skull totem from the barrow, I’ll tell you the truth about the Ogre King.”
It's a fetch and carry quest to unlock part 2!
Another interesting bit is how the de-facto head of a small town is not at all interested in actually running it, but rather just holding parties. Where she flirts with Tieflings.
As someone said on Candlekeep, "By Mystra's lost spell, that was bad"
That level of writing and NPC creation would be something I'd be embarrassed about if I created, as a fan.
You're a true optimist, I don't want to shatter that, but what if the whole book is that way?
Well I hope you're happy. You've gone and gotten me all worrying about the quality of this book now :P After all, what if the Amn section (which was by no means flawless) one of the best parts?
I just read the excerpt and its pretty pathetic. This is definitely not of the same quality as the NPCs of Fallcrest in the DMG. This is more like Midgard of a stock mud. Very little story and lots of stock dungeons in the area to go level up in and get cool loot. NOT a place where I'd set an entire campaign (as I felt Fallcrest was definitely a place to set a fun campaign in).
Frankly, I thought Fallcrest was a little disappointing too. I didn't see any NPCs there that "leaped off the page" as being interesting or exciting. The layout was good, and it had a great map, but the NPCs lacked flavor and the town was a little flat. Fallcrest didn't feel like either the Realms or Greyhawk, really (although I realize that it's a brand new core setting, so that's neither here nor there); it just felt super-generic. Contrast Fallcrest with Hommlet, or Saltmarsh, or the first setting we got for the Realms when they were new - the Moonshaes (then Waterdeep!). Those had colorful, cool NPCs that begged to be used.
For something printed in the core books, and meant to entice DMs/players to play the game, I would've thought they'd give us something with some punch - some verve. But like the snippet of Loudwater, they're either choosing somewhat boring things to show off (which doesn't make sense) or it's just lost something in the update. Feels like they've chosen to "punt", really.
Frankly, I thought Fallcrest was a little disappointing too. I didn't see any NPCs there that "leaped off the page" as being interesting or exciting.
It could have been my expansion of the NPCs that I particularly liked (for example I find that I quite like both Captain Kelfem and the innkeeper of Winterhaven in Keep on the Shadowfell, although its largely because of how I've played them). I thought up a plot where
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the tiefling was the patron of the players and for most of the adventure would be working on making the town hate its Lord because he and his employees were protecting the town from various menaces while the Lord's men did nothing. Then at the end of the campaign the tiefling would finally rebel against the lord and gain half the town. It would then be up to the players to either side with the Lord or side with their patron.
I thought that made the tiefling and the entire situation quite interesting, and it was all based on the info from the DMG.
I thought that made the tiefling and the entire situation quite interesting, and it was all based on the info from the DMG.
So, the party assembles in a Tavern, gets talked down to by a very stereotypical wizard, who asks them to go fetch something. It's what I'd expect from a twelve year old text based adventure game. By Mystra's lost spell, I'm glad my money is going Paizo's way, who know how to make adventures.
Am I the only one who noticed that Curuvar is found in a freaking Tavern? A Tavern!?!!?
-He had a hard day, and is kicking back with a cold brewsky or two.
Mystra doesn't loose spells!!!
My point was that the 'quest', such as it is, starts in a Tavern. That's like No.1 on a list of things not to do in a quest.
My point was that the 'quest', such as it is, starts in a Tavern. That's like No.1 on a list of things not to do in a quest.
My players would laugh out loud if I presented them with a wizard in a pointy hat, in a tavern, who offered them a quest. They'd probably even say "wait... is he a mysterious stranger too?"
I mean really... even his robe has moons and stars on it. It's like the Saturday morning cartoon version of the Realms.
-Just to throw it out there, Moonfire is an established thing in the Forgotten Realms. A manifestation of Selûne's favor, a white energy that turns into a milk-like substance with numerous magical abilities. So, I don't see what the big deal is here.
She's a warlock (which doesn't mix well with Selune), and apparently -openly- a warlock and a noble. Her characterization is just a little too cardboard cutout, and it doesn't seem well thought out. In a fairly isolated town with a population of only 2000, she throws grand balls/parties? Who's going to come? Nobles don't just throw money away on parties without other nobles or important people to invite. Other towns are fairly far away (Secomber and Llorkh are each more than 100 miles away), and in a town that size they'd all be farmers, laborers, and craftspeople of some sort. The name is really the least of it, I think.
I mean really... even his robe has moons and stars on it.
Clearly he's secretly a spy for some evil faction and is simply seeking out adventurers to dupe into doing his evil bidding.
Clearly he's secretly a spy for some evil faction and is simply seeking out adventurers to dupe into doing his evil bidding.
Honestly, my players would think that he'd be anything other than a wizard.
The name is really the least of it, I think.
-I'm just saying, with people saying it's not "Realmsian", or whatever...
Hello Meldread,
How did you get your hands on the whole of Chapter 1?
I only got to read one excerpt from it.
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And for the record: No, the excerpt doesn't actually jump right out of the screen (what will be "the page" in August) and grab you with astounding insights and heady lore sure to make your heart beat faster and your mind race at all the new gaming possibilities.
But that's OK (for me). Based on what Chapter 1 looks to be trying to do, I'd say it's doing it correctly. I'll take it, for now.
I am looking at this excerpt as an advertisement. When a company wants you to buy their product they don't put out some boring ad that you'll never remember. They want to draw you in, grab your attention, and motivate you into purchasing what they are trying to sell.
That is what these excerpts (IMO) are trying to do. They are trying to provoke intrest in the new FRCS, to motivate people to go out and purchase it. As I pointed out, and you more-or-less agreed with, it was flat and boring.
I am acting on the assumption that this is what WotC considered "great" stuff from Chapter 1. I mean, realistically, if you're going to leak excerpts from the new FRCS to an already largely skeptical public, you'd want it to be good, right?
I mean, good gods - WotC can't be lacking this much in creativity. WotC went through all the trouble to deal with Elminster and the other Chosen (something I agreed with), only to... create a bad imitation?
I am looking at this excerpt as an advertisement. When a company wants you to buy their product they don't put out some boring ad that you'll never remember.
Ah but you see, It's SO bad that you'll never forget it
. Clever WotC,...Clever Indeed....
I should have known. They are truly agents of evil, using such vile tactics to sell their products. Now we will all buy the FRCS just to see if it is all really that bad. ;)
Leave it up to WotC to create an entirely new marketing scheme: "So bad you have to buy it to see if it is any good."
-Good one! :P
:P
I should have known. They are truly agents of evil, using such vile tactics to sell their products. Now we will all buy the FRCS just to see if it is all really that bad. ;)
Leave it up to WotC to create an entirely new marketing scheme: "So bad you have to buy it to see if it is any good."
Is like Banned from Television all over again :P
Nice... :D
Not really funny . . . I have actually begun to think that this is the reason I will buy the FRCG.
Buy the ugly hairless dog because it needs love too? ;)
I've done that as well.
I've done that as well.
Aw, you're soft-hearted.
I think I'd probably kick it before I bought it...
And Stig isn't...
Aw, you're soft-hearted.
And Stig isn't...
That surprise you?
That surprise you?
Probably just means Stig needs more hugs. ;)
Probably just means Stig needs more hugs. ;)
I tried. Shot Me in the knee caps....
Getting back to the topic... I keep looking at that picture of Lady Moonfire, and I just don't see fangs or even sharp canines. I do think the pic looks odd, like she's way too cheerful for a warlock, but I don't see the sharp teeth thing.
Heh! ;)
Getting back to the topic... I keep looking at that picture of Lady Moonfire, and I just don't see fangs or even sharp canines. I do think the pic looks odd, like she's way too cheerful for a warlock, but I don't see the sharp teeth thing.
The inking is lighter in her lower lip and it gives the Illusion that it it has fangs.... And thanks for finding some shooting my knee caps ammusing...
The inking is lighter in her lower lip and it gives the Illusion that it it has fangs.... And thanks for finding some shooting my knee caps ammusing...
Heh, no prob. ;) I'm still not seeing the fangs thing. Even zoomed up.
Well I hope you're happy. You've gone and gotten me all worrying about the quality of this book now :P After all, what if the Amn section (which was by no means flawless) one of the best parts?
Sorry.
I didn't like anthing they released so far for the new Forgotten Realms, so I'm through with them, but I will try to encourage you:Wizards of the Coast has the crappiest marketing I've ever seen. A few months ago they released "Threats of the Galaxy" and made two previews. One I remember was an uncool protocol droid, the other was a generic NPC thug I could've created in one minute, called the "brute". I didn't buy it, because I didn't really need a manual of monsters for Star Wars (everything important is in the rulebook). Now someone made an index here in the forums of all the cool stuff players and DM's can get out of the book. I instantly ordered it from Amazon and can't wait until it's delivered.
So if you like what you read about the realms so far, and can live with an evil cliché Amn and many senseless slaughtered gods you can still hope, that the wizard is simply unable to release a decent preview.:D
-Warlocks can be happy people, too. The 'Far Realms' pact does that to you, makes you always happy...
new warlock pact?
-The Far Realms one. Whatever it's called.
I was thinking about a spellplagued pact or something.
Probably just means Stig needs more hugs. ;)
I get hugs from my wife all the time... but she's even worse than I am, so... :evillaugh
As to the rest, Threats of the Galaxy was well worth it I found, had some really interesting stuff in there that definitely sparked the imagination. Looking forward to running a SW campaign, but gotta wait until next month for the KotOR book to come out before I start really thinking about it.
I am intrigued. It sounds like Chapter One will be a ready-to-play campaign, which is helpful for new people wanting to jump right in.
I can certainly appreciate that. I just wasn't too impressed with this excerpt on the whole--honestly, I would have liked it better if it told us more about the characters themselves. Hey, I've said before I'll pick stuff out that I like and use it in a different context if it truly grabs me.
you can still hope, that the wizard is simply unable to release a decent preview.:D
Yeah I'll be flipping through this before I buy it I think ;)
Okay, I got a bit carried away there, but anyway - that's more along the lines of what I like to see. It's something I could use, and something that can grab new players into the Realm's as well.
I thought what you wrote was way better than what was in the article. Nice job.
-Looking at the picture, Elminster was the first thing I thought of.
You know what? I actually like that wizard picture.
It's a cliche, but one that resonates with me I guess.Heck, I even like the Lady Moonfire picture. I just find her smile to be...well, very toothy. So much so that it's a bit off-putting at first.
I don’t understand why it’s necessary to waste vital page count giving overlong details about NPCs. This fits a motto of mine (borrowed from an FR Game Designer): Dungeon Masters, not Dungeon Lackeys.
Give the basics, tie the NPC into the setting by a few threads and let the DM use these tools to do the rest.
Point taken.
Point taken.
For what it's worth, I will take more when I can get it, so long as it's not overlong or tedious.
Viva La Realms!
You know what? I actually like that wizard picture.
-That's fine.
-I like how he has a mummified raven...
Yes just ignore to poor dirty filthy outsiders.
Viva La Realms!
-If you say so...
think my two remaining tieflings will stay clear away from her, she gives me the creeps......
mind you she could come back later and kidnap tiefling characters for personal use; male and or female ones...
She's interested in tieflings because she eats them.;)
I mean, look at those teeth.
-If you say so...
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Hello Rinon,
For what it's worth, I will take more when I can get it, so long as it's not overlong or tedious.
Understood.
Everyone has their own limits.-That's fine.
-I like how he has a mummified raven...
It's silly (and yes, reminiscent of a Saturday morning cartoon, even), but I enjoy some silliness in the Realms.
Well, there was one thing that stood out for me.
"Lady Moonfire makes an effort to speak with the characters, especially if at least one PC is a tiefling. Lady Moonfire is attracted to tieflings, and she might court a tiefling character who at any point succeeds on a DC 15 Diplomacy check while around her."
Not one mention of gender...
Lady Moonfire is bisexual?
I am looking at this excerpt as an advertisement. When a company wants you to buy their product they don't put out some boring ad that you'll never remember. They want to draw you in, grab your attention, and motivate you into purchasing what they are trying to sell.
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Heya,
Well, there was one thing that stood out for me.
"Lady Moonfire makes an effort to speak with the characters, especially if at least one PC is a tiefling. Lady Moonfire is attracted to tieflings, and she might court a tiefling character who at any point succeeds on a DC 15 Diplomacy check while around her."
Not one mention of gender...
Lady Moonfire is bisexual?
That's what I assumed, until it dawned on me that she wants to have them over for dinner in the literal sense.:P
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire, apply directly to the forehead....
Moonfire spam?
Where's the BOOMKIN?!
(Sorry... WoW Druid joke...)
That's what I assumed, until it dawned on me that she wants to have them over for dinner in the literal sense.:P
I don't think "court" means what you think it means...
Or else, you mean eating in an entirely other sense than for dinner. :P
Heya,
I don't think "court" means what you think it means...
Or else, you mean eating in an entirely other sense than for dinner. :P
Just because she courts tieflings doesn't mean she won't eat them later. Make of that what you will.;)
Just because she courts tieflings doesn't mean she won't eat them later. Make of that what you will.;)
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:angelhide
Bel
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In today’s Forgotten Realms preview, we show off an encounter in the town of Loudwater, from Chapter 1 (Loudwater) of the forthcoming Campaign Guide.
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The town of Loudwater sits at the confluence of the Delimbiyr and Grayflow rivers. The forested shoulders of the Star Mounts rise above the town in the northwestern sky. These cloud-veiled peaks remind the townspeople that beyond the city’s walls stretch wild lands, where deadly monsters threaten the unwary.
Merchants, caravan guards, local craftsfolk, hunters, farmers, and retired adventurers treat the Green Tankard Tavern in Loudwater as a second home. In the tavern’s common room, talk turns to tales of hostile tribes and barrows glimpsed through mists; folk speak warily of goblins in the Southwood, of the serpent folk of Najara, and of ancient, ruined kingdoms.
The tavern attracts young and old with its warm company and tall tales. But before buying an ale for one of the inn’s regulars, a visitor should think carefully. Many adventures have started from stories exchanged over cheap ale and greasy food, but not all have ended with the glorious exploits of which bards sing. An old story or a wrinkled map could be the doorway to adventure—or the path to a quick death.
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The town of Loudwater sits at the confluence of the Delimbiyr and Grayflow rivers. The forested shoulders of the Star Mounts rise above the town in the northwestern sky. These cloud-veiled peaks remind the townspeople that beyond the city’s walls stretch wild lands, where deadly monsters threaten the unwary.
Merchants, caravan guards, local craftsfolk, hunters, farmers, and retired adventurers treat the Green Tankard Tavern in Loudwater as a second home. In the tavern’s common room, talk turns to tales of hostile tribes and barrows glimpsed through mists; folk speak warily of goblins in the Southwood, of the serpent folk of Najara, and of ancient, ruined kingdoms.
The tavern attracts young and old with its warm company and tall tales. But before buying an ale for one of the inn’s regulars, a visitor should think carefully. Many adventures have started from stories exchanged over cheap ale and greasy food, but not all have ended with the glorious exploits of which bards sing. An old story or a wrinkled map could be the doorway to adventure—or the path to a quick death.
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I suspected they would be using the same format as the H1: Keep on the Shadowfell adventure, and I was right.
Good thing too....because you get more information about (and dialogue for) the various NPCs the characters get to interact with.
Thanks for posting those links, Delta.
Well the AD&D setting had an entire book on shadowdale and an adventure set there in (nice plot, terrible encounter balance). I think all settings need a base camp for the DM who doesn't have time to flesh out his own. Heck if they do a good enough job people who play in other settings might adopt such a location simply because of how expedient it is.
The second boxed set did that, the first (gray box) only had a map of shadowdale, and a list of residents with no real detail given. The two adventures are set in Myth Drannor. And their were no statted NPCs anywhere in those books. It took years to build all the lore that now exists. IMO, they are leaving it to the DMs (even new ones) to fill in the info of motivations and abilities to reflect their own ideas. For instance, if the wizard is interested in the Dire Woods, then maybe it is because of the remains of Karsus there, or maybe there is a fabled portal nearby that leads to an Elvin treasure trove.
And why do we need to know there levels and powers, do your PCs run around slaying every resident of a town? Why waste space on info that is never used?
However this is certainly better then either NPCs and it seems like there's the potential to weave the different threads and dungeons into a cohesive whole.
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I can understand that Chapter 1 is meant to be ready to play, and that these are just quest NPC's, but if this is meant to appeal to newbies, shouldn't it be showing them the very best of the Realms? Instead we get a bumbling old wizard in a tavern who sends them on a fetch quest. Is that really what newbies want from DnD?
The encounter isn't much to speak about either. Seriously. Burnt Offerings is far better as that's got a far more interesting goblin raid.
In today’s Forgotten Realms preview, we show off an encounter in the town of Loudwater, from Chapter 1 (Loudwater) of the forthcoming Campaign Guide.
Goblins bursting through a wall, and the players have to stave off the attack.
It's the intro to Icewind Dale II, isn't it? Or pretty close...
By the luscious Hair of Sune
By the Lost Dance of Eilistraee
By Gond's everblasting smoke-powder keg
By Ilmater's Dirty loin cloth
they are all bad phrases
so where was loudwater placed in the realms??
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they are all bad phrases
so where was loudwater placed in the realms??
Where it's always been, since the Old Grey Box. In the North. On the River Delimbiyr (which rolls into the Sea of Swords near Daggerford), west of Llorkh, south of the High Forest, etc.
Although, strangely enough, apparently the town is oriented on a strict north-south axis, with the city walls managing at points to run in a completely straight line east-west. Well, at least, judging from the encounter map in the second preview.
That's some fine cartography, there.
By The Lost Ever Watchful Gaze of Helm.......
For some reason I kept and keep hearing "By the Power of Greyskull" when I read Curuvar's cliche... sorry, catchphrase.
Well, paint me dramatically underwhelmed by these excepts. Firstly I don't count them in similar fashion to the Countdown articles, not least because the Countdowns were the Preview and this is supposed to be the meat of the setting that they were leading up to in the first place.
Even taking into account that these have both (strangely) been from the pre-made adventure chapter rather than the "body" of the text so to speak the lack of character detail (in the NPCs article), sorry the "room for DM modification" renders these two almost entirely bland to me. One way this might have been rectified would be to show Lady Moonfire's entire write up (the one referenced as being on page 17) to outline her as being more than just a encounter at a ball or an bodyguarding job.
It strikes me that these previews would have been a superb chance for WotC to jump up and down on a platfrom in front of what is, forgive me for saying so, a captive audience shouting "Look at this, look at us! We can be all things to all people, we have improved on the past. Buy this because it is better!". A thin line to walk but a golden chance nontheless and I do have to wonder why they didn't take it.
For some reason I kept and keep hearing "By the Power of Greyskull" when I read Curuvar's cliche... sorry, catchphrase.
I keep hearing By Grabthar's hammer in a monotone english voice.
It was used in the RPGA campaign 'Legacy of the Green regent'.
Maybe I'm just easy to please... But I'm happy that the first female NPC for the new Realms I see happens to be the lord of the town and bisexual.
They need to work on the details a little though - the eschewing responsibility to hold balls for a small town just doesn't work for me.
As for the male NPC... He was very very bland.
Am I the only one who thinks it's a bit silly sending someone into a potentially lethal place just because you're holding back some tidbits of information? Sounds WoWy to me. Hate the whole exclamation mark above NPC's in D&D.
This is part of an adventure, we believe. So why would this be a problem?
Maybe I'm just easy to please... But I'm happy that the first female NPC for the new Realms I see happens to be the lord of the town and bisexual.
Well, it doesn't say that explicitly. It does leave room for the DM (quite a lot of room - ok, planetsized). Still, bisexual women we have had (and will have) aplenty in the Realms. Bisexual men, otoh... But I'm working on that :P
Gomez
My way would be that the adventurers would need to
- Explore Southwood, battle some goblins, and either track the survivors back to their camp or use Charm Person or Intimidation.
or
- Gather Information Check (low) to find out who might know where the place is, followed by a Diplomacy Check (high) or money to persuade Curuvar (or someone else) to enlighten them on where the Barrow. Alternatively, they could perhaps procure a map with directions to the Barrow.
Either way would allow them to perhaps get ahold of the Skull Totem, as it's not exactly inconspicous (sp?). Then have that give a bonus on persuading them to haul information out of Curuvar.
But that might just be me that thinks that would've been better.
I'm thinking realistically. This is an adventure, not an MMO quest. Kill X monsters and I will give/tell you about Y. Fair enough with the odd one, but if this sets the bar...
My way would be that the adventurers would need to
- Explore Southwood, battle some goblins, and either track the survivors back to their camp or use Charm Person or Intimidation.
or
- Gather Information Check (low) to find out who might know where the place is, followed by a Diplomacy Check (high) or money to persuade Curuvar (or someone else) to enlighten them on where the Barrow. Alternatively, they could perhaps procure a map with directions to the Barrow.
Either way would allow them to perhaps get ahold of the Skull Totem, as it's not exactly inconspicous (sp?). Then have that give a bonus on persuading them to haul information out of Curuvar.
But that might just be me that thinks that would've been better.
or... sneak the guy by night. Hold him. Rob him. Interrogate him. and finally kill him. So you won't need to do is messy work he is asking for. Why would an adventurer work for "information". We want money. We want beer ! We want girls all night ! or men... depends on your desire... !
From what I see, the FRCS will be riddled with more encounters and more tables and less history ! For me, 4ed resume to that: Tables. Encounters.
But yeah, sneaking the fellow by night would work too! Bit unorthodox if you're Good, but as alignment's no bother in 4th...
Though for the record, I was kinda hearing "By Grabthar's Hammer" myself. :D
By The Lost Ever Watchful Gaze of Helm.......
By the luscious Hair of Sune
By the Lost Dance of Eilistraee
By Gond's everblasting smoke-powder keg
By Ilmater's Dirty loin cloth
they are all bad phrases
so where was loudwater placed in the realms??
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Loudwater is a town south-east from the High Forest. Pertty close to Darkhold, I think.
Darkhold is farther south, near the Sunset mountains.
-This dude better not start messing with forces he doesn't understand...I hate it when people get a little...too inquisitive for their own good.
A bit territorial are we?
-Yes. In multiple ways.
-Yes. In multiple ways.
I am still refreshing myself with what used to be the Realms to understand what changes are taking place.
-In that case, I'd suggest you go look up what's in the Dire Woods.
-Yes. In multiple ways.
And I thought you were speaking from personal experience. ;) :P
And I thought you were speaking from personal experience. ;) :P
He was, the Dire Woods were his last glimpse of the realms before he crashed and burned.
He was, the Dire Woods were his last glimpse of the realms before he crashed and burned.
I know. Hence the " ;) ". ;)
Lord Karsus speaking about mages who mess with things they don't understand somehow reminds me of this:
Lord Karsus speaking about mages who mess with things they don't understand somehow reminds me of this:
Lord Karsus speaking about mages who mess with things they don't understand somehow reminds me of this:
But, despite that, I'm still laughing at his expense over the matter. :D
She's interested in tieflings because she eats them.;)
I mean, look at those teeth.
eaten or worse, binded to her whim.......
whether for mentioned tiefling is male or female............
Karsus' last words were "woops!"
Either that or "oh shi..." *poof* :D
Public library in a town of 2,000? You on crack again Khae? :P ;)
Though for the record, I was kinda hearing "By Grabthar's Hammer" myself. :D
It's 9000 (or 8000, don't have the book on me) in 3rd ed. 2000 in 2nd ed. ;p
And it's the best Peruvian you can get ahold of, I'll let you know!
Yeah, but 3/4 of the population? That's far worse than the black death hit Europe... there had better be a collapse of fuedalism included in there somewhere. Got a feeling I'm going to have a hard time swallowing this one...
Why, when we can have PARTIES!
Yeah, but 3/4 of the population? That's far worse than the black death hit Europe... there had better be a collapse of fuedalism included in there somewhere. Got a feeling I'm going to have a hard time swallowing this one...
-It's Spellplague, remember? As you yourself told me, we need to start changing the way we think, for things to make sense. :P
Go make some sangria and stfu. :P :D
I'm Prican I don't do Sangrias
I do Rum! :DWell, get a real culture and make some sangria. :P ;) :D
....If I had a Nickel