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#1 Antheros Jul 03, 2009 22:39:17	Warning: Possible spoilers in this post! I recently read a Dragon article about the Moonshae which mentioned that Lurue was now an Archfey, and the Earthmother, Eldath and Nobanion were primal spirits. It made me wonder, when their worshippers die, what actually happen to them? Since demizens of the Realm are required to worship a god or suffer some horrid afterlife, what happen to those people who are part of a an established religion which deity happen not to be a true god?
#2 arcas_shan Jul 04, 2009 11:16:01	Short answer: Their souls are stuck in an ugly wall, if they don't pray to another true god beside their spirit. Long answer: Just ignore that crap and treat some gods as dual beings. I believe in 3.5 there were rules for making warlock pacts with gods (even a prestige class for cleric/warlocks). I would treat Seldarine as archfey and gods, Eldath and the others as primal spirits and gods etc.
#3 markustay63 Jul 04, 2009 13:10:42	Long answer: Just ignore that crap... QFT Don't try to make sense of 4th edition... the designers apparently didn't. :P
#4 Iluvrien Jul 04, 2009 13:30:49	I thought the wall didn't exist in 4E. I thought everyone just ended up on the Fugue plain under the eyes of Kelemvor, and then deities came and collected those they wanted (follower or not). In which case what happens to the souls of these worshippers is that they end up on Fugue just like everyone else. The real question for me is whether primal spirits or arch-fey could pick them up from there? Or could they go one step further and be subsumed at the moment of death into the worshipped presence, lending it power and allowing them to abide with it eternally? Always reminds me of the Eldar Craftworlds in 40K.
#5 suin_bahhar_02 Jul 04, 2009 18:44:32	After reading this I think it's intended for some primal druids and fey warlocks to be absorbed into their patrons respective planes; i.e. the natural spirit world and the feywild. Only the most powerful druids and warlocks are fit to survive awhile after their transistion to spirit or fey creatures, as millenia old entities, both benevolent and malevolent, roam those realms. Silvanus probably has sacred areas on Toril, places where his godly domain crosses close to Toril and its feywild or the natural spirit world, where his worshipers can aid the ones Silvanus accepted in his domain. Spirit tree's already exist in realmslore. The Red Tree, an ancient gnarled tree in rashemen accepts the essence of deceased wychlaren inside to help maintain the trees spirit demesne and give counsel to their peers for as long as their essences can go. In the novel Bladesinger it accepts a foreign half elf druid, who can manifest herself to Taenaran with more ease when he seeks his peace at the Red Tree.
#6 pamela Jul 05, 2009 8:07:51	I'd consider reincarnation for these worshippers, myself.
#7 Antheros Jul 05, 2009 15:22:39	I thought the wall didn't exist in 4E. I thought everyone just ended up on the Fugue plain under the eyes of Kelemvor, and then deities came and collected those they wanted (follower or not). In which case what happens to the souls of these worshippers is that they end up on Fugue just like everyone else. The real question for me is whether primal spirits or arch-fey could pick them up from there? Or could they go one step further and be subsumed at the moment of death into the worshipped presence, lending it power and allowing them to abide with it eternally? Always reminds me of the Eldar Craftworlds in 40K. Thanks for the answers guys! Is the disappearance of the Wall of the Faithless in one of the 4th edition books? If yes, wich one?
#8 arcas_shan Jul 05, 2009 16:07:47	From another thread: Rich, In previous editions of FR, the description of the afterlife was pretty specific about the Faithless being stuck in the living wall and the False roaming the City of Judgment. The 4E FRCG is more vague. Were those fates for the Faithless and False dropped (retcon) in 4E, or just not discussed due to space limitations? Thanks. Keith Just not discussed. Many folks didn't like it the way it was, but it wasn't something we wanted to change (it features prominently in a couple of novels that are likely to be in print for some time). My own $.02 -- With a hundred more years to get his feet under him as god of the dead, I imagine that Kelemvor might be more willing to give souls the benefit of the doubt and save the Faithless/False determination only for those who really, really deserve it.