I've been out of FR, and roleplaying games for that matter. For quite a while.
So, can you give me the info? And how I read up on what's to come.
I'm sorry, but where do I read about this overhaul? Do I need to have DDI to read about it?
I've been out of FR, and roleplaying games for that matter. For quite a while.
So, can you give me the info? And how I read up on what's to come.
besides the moaning and griping on these boards, you should check out the 3 Countdown to the Realms articles in the online Dragon magazine, ehich you currently do not need to subscribe to to read
Then get the Campaign Book in August if you want to waste $35
besides the moaning and griping on these boards, you should check out the 3 Countdown to the Realms articles in the online Dragon magazine, ehich you currently do not need to subscribe to to read
Then get the Campaign Book in August if you want to waste $35
....more like invest $35 if you ask me.
....more like invest $35 if you ask me.
Word.
$26 if you go the Amazon route.
Amazon really does have great book deals. $60 for the 4th Ed Gift Set? Yes please!
Amazon really does have great book deals. $60 for the 4th Ed Gift Set? Yes please!
Good thing is I preordered it for $57. Bad thing is they are so backlogged I still haven't gotten my set yet
As for my Amazon order, I told them to cancel that and send me a PHB, instead, but apply all the discounts that they put on the core rulebook gift set to that. So I got myself a second PHB with one-day shipping for $17.
-All have been compiled in the 4e FAQ thread.
Must it always descend into this bickering...
Yes, but it's alright... I won't join the mob and start foaming at the mouth until I find out Hoar's fate. Granted, if they do anything with him that isn't a Axe/Shar's boy-toy, I'll be pleasantly surprised... As it stands, I'm preparing myself for the worst. Here's hoping if he gets the axe, I like his replacement.
I'm curious about the change for FR, but unsure. I like the way they want to keep many parts of the realms down to earth, with 'islands' of great magic and fantasy.
I'm not much for the Dragonborn, but I guess they're not that bad.
And this is hardly a heated discussion... yet. Barely even warm for some of the threads we've had of late, but it probably would be a good idea to lock it.
I'm curious about the change for FR, but unsure. I like the way they want to keep many parts of the realms down to earth, with 'islands' of great magic and fantasy.
-Read the 4e Forgotten Realms FAQ thread, flip through the FRCG when it comes out, and make your decision then.
....more like invest $35 if you ask me.
..its investing if buying an ivory backscratcher is also an investment..
BTW, you should change your perspective, especialy if you liked the realms as they where. In that case it would not be an overhaul, but a dumbing-down.
This would not only sum up 4E Realms, but 4E in general as well.
This would not only sum up 4E Realms, but 4E in general as well.
I have to say that, regardless that the new Realms are mostly horrible compared to what they used to be, it is FAR better than the new core "world" (whatever that means!).
So are you saying 4e FR is better then nothing? Personally, I'd have to disagree...
....more like invest $35 if you ask me.
LOL
I already gave my 4e PHB away.
Not saying it was bad; it just wasn't for me.
I was going to buy the FRCG for Ed's contribution, but now that they cut the Anchorome stuff, I feel its a useless purchase... for me, at any rate.
I will take a look at it (in Borders) when it comes out, but I'm fairly certain I will be using the Golarion setting from this point forth. WotC wants us to put the past behind us and move forward, and thats what I intend to do.
I already gave my 4e PHB away.
Argh. You got yours, read it, decided it was junk and gave it away. Mine hasn't shipped from Amazon yet
I was going to buy the FRCG for Ed's contribution, but now that they cut the Anchorome stuff, I feel its a useless purchase... for me, at any rate.
According to Brian James, it wasn't cut. It was never written, and Ed instead wrote up the information on the new continent which replaced Maztica.
It will be fun to see how close to the mark I am. :P
Argh. You got yours, read it, decided it was junk and gave it away. Mine hasn't shipped from Amazon yet
I didn't go through it cover-to-cover, I just checked out the parts that interested me like the classes and races, and some of the mechanics.
The first thing that 'did it' for me was when I went looking for the Spell Lists - thats always the first thing I like to read in every edition of D&D.
There was none.
Anyhow, I gave it to my son, so it's not like it went very far, and I do plan on making a character for his game eventually. To be honest, I was planning my own playtest, but the GSL knocked the wind right out of my sails, so the decision to not use it wasn't based on the rules themselves (which I still feel are pretty solid).
I like diversity in my games, and the idea of buying edition-specific material from a single company just rubs me the wrong way - I suppose I was spoiled by 3e in the regard.
Argh. You got yours, read it, decided it was junk and gave it away. Mine hasn't shipped from Amazon yet
-I feel bad for you, man. I hope you got free shipping, at least.
-I feel bad for you, man. I hope you got free shipping, at least.
Absolutely, plus about half off to boot
-Well, that's good. I guess when they say 'free shipping', though, you get what you "pay" for.
Rino got hers
Rino got hers
-She's special, and you're not, so...:P
-She's special, and you're not, so...:P
I'll give you that but how does Amazon know that
I made the order, then a week or two later found a fraudulent charge on my card and cancelled it. Sadly, I forgot about the Amazon order I made with that card. Then thursday, June 5th I get an e-mail saying that they were prepping my order to ship and tried to charge my card but it didn't work. Less then 20 minutes after receiving that e-mail I corrected my credit card information, but it was to late. My $54 order turned into a $75 order and my June 6th delivery date became a July 28th delivery date. What a cluster**** of a mess.spies everywhere
I would've gotten my order June 6th if it wasn't for that whole credit card issue.
-You know, you might as well hold off a little bit, and include the FRCG in your order, if you are buying it.
At least the discount is still in place.
It does seem unfair how some people haven't even gotten their books yet.
-Especially is they pre-ordered them. That's the entire point of pre-ordering things: To get them immediately.
-Especially is they pre-ordered them. That's the entire point of pre-ordering things: To get them immediately.
I pre-ordered them in early May. I have complained on 2 occassions. They still haven't shipped
-You know, you might as well hold off a little bit, and include the FRCG in your order, if you are buying it.
Already mentioned it in another thread, but I went and bought the books from my FLGS for full price the day they came out rather then get stuck waiting two months for them (I needed them the next day for Worldwide D&D Gameday). As for my Amazon order, I had them substitute the core rulebook gift set (which they had none of) with the PHB (which they had plenty of) and apply all the same discounts to that order. So two or three days after making that change I got a spare PHB for $17 (which is just as well, as the PHB I got from the FLGS was damaged).
I pre-ordered them in early May. I have complained on 2 occassions. They still haven't shipped
Do you care about the slipcase? Because what you can do is ask them to substitute the core rulebook gift set for the separate PHB, DMG, and MM and tell them you want the same price for that. Several people have done that, already.
Besides, I am planning to get the Player's Guide. I just want to focus on the player half of the system right now.
I think if you are a fan of the Realms, then get it. They stated that the 4e version will be based around 100 years after how 3e ended. So it is not just a revision, but an entirely new era.
Besides, I am planning to get the Player's Guide. I just want to focus on the player half of the system right now.
Even if they enjoy the rules of 4E but hate the updated setting there's still alot of good bits coming out in the 4gotten Realms Campaign Guide like the Swordmage class, Half-Orcs, Genasi, paragon paths, and maybe even additional spells/powers/exploits too.
Already mentioned it in another thread, but I went and bought the books from my FLGS for full price the day they came out rather then get stuck waiting two months for them (I needed them the next day for Worldwide D&D Gameday). As for my Amazon order, I had them substitute the core rulebook gift set (which they had none of) with the PHB (which they had plenty of) and apply all the same discounts to that order. So two or three days after making that change I got a spare PHB for $17 (which is just as well, as the PHB I got from the FLGS was damaged).
-Oh, so you do have it, then.
I think if you are a fan of the Realms, then get it. They stated that the 4e version will be based around 100 years after how 3e ended. So it is not just a revision, but an entirely new era.
-That's silly.
-Oh, so you do have it, then.
Yep, though I ended up paying $58 more, and didn't get the slipcase.
Yep, though I ended up paying $58 more, and didn't get the slipcase.
-Full market price.
Even if they enjoy the rules of 4E but hate the updated setting there's still alot of good bits coming out in the 4gotten Realms Campaign Guide like the Swordmage class, Half-Orcs, Genasi, paragon paths, and maybe even additional spells/powers/exploits too.
Perhaps there will be some good crunch in it, but I believe its the Players Guide that will have all that
Yep, though I ended up paying $58 more, and didn't get the slipcase.
Sorry to hear.
The slipcase isn't essential, but I have found it to be handy, and nice-looking to boot.
I pre-ordered them in early May. I have complained on 2 occassions. They still haven't shipped
Check your credit card, some clumsy delivery man probably ended up destroying them and they refunded you. That's what happened to me once.
Check your credit card, some clumsy delivery man probably ended up destroying them and they refunded you. That's what happened to me once.
Nope. accoridng to amazon, they have not shipped
Nope. accoridng to amazon, they have not shipped
If you ordered Amazon direct, the amount of time they take to reach you depends on how far away you live from Washington state and what method of shipping you used. If you used super-saver, then it will take a long time.
If you ordered Amazon direct, the amount of time they take to reach you depends on how far away you live from Washington state and what method of shipping you used. If you used super-saver, then it will take a long time.
But they haven't even shipped yet. They are not in transit. I just contacted them again and they have basically told me sorry, we should ship them in early July.
I asked why some, like Rino, got theres but I did not. They basically had no explanation, other than they ran out
Do you care about the slipcase? Because what you can do is ask them to substitute the core rulebook gift set for the separate PHB, DMG, and MM and tell them you want the same price for that. Several people have done that, already.
So if you don't care about the slipcase, then you can do that. Just make sure to ask that they give you any and all discounts, too. Don't change it yourself. E-mail them and tell them to change it, and to apply any and all discounts you had on your previous order.
But they haven't even shipped yet. They are not in transit. I just contacted them again and they have basically told me sorry, we should ship them in early July.
I asked why some, like Rino, got theres but I did not. They basically had no explanation, other than they ran out
Then again, unlike Rino, you don't have the ear of a millenia-old, insane, Jewish archmagi that happens to be dead threatening the post-man with his life:D
If you ordered Amazon direct, the amount of time they take to reach you depends on how far away you live from Washington state and what method of shipping you used. If you used super-saver, then it will take a long time.
Washington state? I live all the way on the other side of the country (in New Jersey), and I've had my books for nearly three weeks now. I believe I asked for regular shipping (didn't want to spend more money than I had to).
And no, Merrick, I'm not trying to rub it in.:P
Washington state? I live all the way on the other side of the country (in New Jersey), and I've had my books for nearly three weeks now.
And no, Merrick, I'm not trying to rub it in.:P
aargh!!!
Then again, unlike Rino, you don't have the ear of a millenia-old, insane, Jewish archmagi that happens to be dead threatening the post-man with his life:D
Well, that's true too!
oh wait, there are no more schools
in the well you go boy:P
-Anyway, concerning the actual topic, it's relevant to know (I guess), that not everything is receiving an overhaul. For good or bad.
--Anyway, concerning the actual topic, it's relevant to know (I guess), that not everything is receiving an overhaul. For good or bad.
Well, considering there is a 100 year time jump, everything has changed to at least some degree
Well, considering there is a 100 year time jump, everything has changed to at least some degree
-Good point. I'm not considering things that are being left mostly in tact the way they were, asides for the passage of time, as being "overhauled", though. Personally speaking, I think that entails massive reinvisioning and rebuilding and all of that.
-Meh, you don't know what you're talking about.
-Anyway, concerning the actual topic, it's relevant to know (I guess), that not everything is receiving an overhaul. For good or bad.
Waterd.. oh yeah.. big new sharn city and khelben (laereal too?) is dead.. twins around, maybe..
Dales, surely..? Oh wait, myth drannor..
Which leaves.. icewind dale, i bet they are still polishing those troutheads to troutivory over there. And all the inns are still leaky and freezingly cold.
Waterd.. oh yeah.. big new sharn city and khelben (laereal too?) is dead.. twins around, maybe..
-Good change, all grounded in lore.
Dales, surely..? Oh wait, myth drannor..
-Eh, I'm neutral on that.
Which leaves.. icewind dale, i bet they are still polishing those troutheads to troutivory over there. And all the inns are still leaky and freezingly cold.
-Same ol', same ol'.
-I wasn't either, but I'm not one of those people who came to know Myth Drannor as an "impossible" mega-dungeon and everything.
Me neither, it's history was more important for me than being a dungeon, which are too much easier to create. And I was happy that elves won once after so many defeats (Evereska nearly destroyed, Evermeet attacked, Zhaor assasinated, etc.). I'm not one of those who want elves as misterious beings like LotR. They are just another race with a different way of thinking and history, and it's that history and way of thinking what makes them attractive, not how rare they are to see.
I did get a chance to play in Myth Drannor as a dungeon (by the campaign box set). Very memorable place. But I do much prefer it as a living city. I never understood why dwarven and elven kingdoms just always have to be in decline in fantasy; it is much more exciting to fight side by side with legendary warriors and forces, and you can keep ruins on the side for those types of adventures.
Its the Tolkien thing
As for Myth Drannor, I'm all for it getting rebuilt. Just wish it was being ruled by the family line of my 2E character who tried so hard to conquer the place and make it his own personal demesne. Oh well. Can't win 'em all. ;)
As for Myth Drannor, I'm all for it getting rebuilt. Just wish it was being ruled by the family line of my 2E character who tried so hard to conquer the place and make it his own personal demesne. Oh well. Can't win 'em all. ;)
-Eh, the current government is weak, and not technically legitimate until the Srinshee gives Ilsevele the Ruler's Blade. Get 'em now, get 'em now, while you still can.
As for Myth Drannor, I'm all for it getting rebuilt. Just wish it was being ruled by the family line of my 2E character who tried so hard to conquer the place and make it his own personal demesne. Oh well. Can't win 'em all. ;)
Just make it that way in your own Realms.
Not that I minded the lore.
-Too bad it wasn't always consistent with the rest of the setting. Meh...
And yes I think I would have loved the return of Myth Drannor so much more if the trilogy had remembered to occasionally do some character development instead of flooding us with lore. Not that I minded the lore.
yeah that would have been OK
-Eh...Personally speaking, I'm not really looking for much character development and such in Forgotten Realms novels as much as I am looking for information about the setting, and about the issue at hand, whatever it is in the particular novel.
Yeah, unless its Bob Salvatore, since he is actually a professional author and does a good job at characterization, or Elaine, since her characters are actually interesting.
Yeah, unless its Bob Salvatore, since he is actually a professional author and does a good job at characterization, or Elaine, since her characters are actually interesting.
-The latter, personally speaking, is one of the worst at doing this.
-The latter, personally speaking, is one of the worst at doing this.
Well, maybe not deep, but at least entertaining.
-Eh...Personally speaking, I'm not really looking for much character development and such in Forgotten Realms novels as much as I am looking for information about the setting, and about the issue at hand, whatever it is in the particular novel.
well, thats you. I like good characters
-The latter, personally speaking, is one of the worst at doing this.
You mean the former?
You mean the former?
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-Uh...Yeah...
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