OK, one thing that was missing that I would like to have seen in the FRCG is how to pronounce some of the words in it. I have many, here are only a few (I might post more later). Part of the problem is that as an English-only speaker, I have only a vague idea of what triangles and dots on top of letters represent...
1) Amn - does it rhyme with the similarly spelled cussword?
2) Genasi - Hard g (gas) or soft (gel)?
3) Akanul - don't even know where to start.
4) Selune - two syllables or three?
5) Sune - one syllable or two?
6) Abeir - no idea
7) Amaunator - "a monitor"?
SUNE (SUE-nee)
SELUNE (Seh-LOON-eh)
ABEIR-TORIL (Ai-BEER-toh-RILL)
Genasi - gel
Amaunator - Ah-MAWN-ah-tor
Akanul - Ah-kah-nool ?
Amn: "Ah-m"
Genasi: "Jen-Ah-See"
Akanul: "Ack-Ah-Nool"
Selune: "Sell-Un-Aye"
Sune: "Soo-Nay"
Abeir: "A-Beer"
Amaunator: "A-Mawn-A-Tor"
I pronounce the g in Genasi like the g in get.
-That's, apparently, the 'official' pronunciation, and the most common. I know, I never saw a 'soft G'. It looks like it needs a 'hard G'.
-That's, apparently, the 'official' pronunciation, and the most common. I know, I never saw a 'soft G'. It looks like it needs a 'hard G'.
Id est, the German one?! :D
BTW, these pronunciatio nguides given in e.g. the F&A as well as the recent Lady Penitent series are quite helpful, if you are a Native Speaker of English. Yet, for non-native speakers who rely on the phonetic symbols to determine the correct pronunciation, it can be quite misleading. Not that I would complain that much, as the games and the names was designed with English gamers in mind. Then again, you wonder how they came up the names of the Kuo-toan deities, or the names of some places, like the segmented drow city beneath Thay. Did they ever try to speak their names aloud ... in a game session?
That's how I pronounce them, too, except for Genasi. I pronounce the g in Genasi like the g in get.
Me too.
Id est, the German one?! :D
-And, what would be an example of that?
Then again, you wonder how they came up the names of the Kuo-toan deities...Did they ever try to speak their names aloud ... in a game session?
-I find Blibdoolpoolp very easy to pronounce: Blib-Dool-Pool-P.
-Seriously, it's a leaking faucet.
Chauntea
1) Amn - does it rhyme with the similarly spelled cussword?
2) Genasi - Hard g (gas) or soft (gel)?
3) Akanul - don't even know where to start.
4) Selune - two syllables or three?
5) Sune - one syllable or two?
6) Abeir - no idea
7) Amaunator - "a monitor"?
I'm not sure what the official pronunciation is, but I say them like this:
1) AHM
2) JEN-ah-see
3) AHK-ah-nool
4) SEHL-oo-nay
5) SOO-nay
6) ah-BAYR
7) ah-MAHN-ah-tore
As for Chantea:
SHAHN-tay
-That's, apparently, the 'official' pronunciation, and the most common. I know, I never saw a 'soft G'. It looks like it needs a 'hard G'.
I always saw it as soft. I think possibly an unconscious association with the word "Genesis" means I now say it "JEN-a-sai".
In Faiths & Pantheons they give pronunciations for deities (although sometimes even the pronunciation key is ambiguous):
Chauntea: "chawn-TEE-ah"
Selune: "seh-LOON-ay"
Sune: "SOO-nee"
As for the others, I say:
Amn - "AHM"
Akanul - "Ack-an-OOL"
Abeir - "A-beer"
Amaunator - "A-MAWN-a-tore"
1) Amn - AHm (okay, so that isn't weird)
2) Genasi - GEH-nah-see
3) Akanul - Ah-KAH-nool
4) Selune - Seh-LOON-ay
5) Sune - SOON-ay
6) Abeir - AY-bare
7) Amaunator - ah-mow-nat-or
8) Chauntea - SHAWN-tay-uh
-And, what would be an example of that?
Genasi with a "hard" 'g', if that's what you meant. Anyway, did anyone actually noticed that Hallistra are actually (officially) pronounced /HAL-is-truh/ ? As it looks, all drow (first) names ending with -ra are actually pronounced /-truh/.
Genasi with a "hard" 'g', if that's what you meant. Anyway, did anyone actually noticed that Hallistra are actually (officially) pronounced /HAL-is-truh/ ? As it looks, all drow (first) names ending with -ra are actually pronounced /-truh/.
-That's how I always pronounced it. Hal-Is-Tra, with the letter 'A' being pronounced 'uh', where I come from.
I'll pop in my "weird" pronunciations here:
1) Amn - AHm (okay, so that isn't weird)
2) Genasi - GEH-nah-see
3) Akanul - Ah-KAH-nool
4) Selune - Seh-LOON-ay
5) Sune - SOON-ay
6) Abeir - AY-bare
7) Amaunator - ah-mow-nat-or
8) Chauntea - SHAWN-tay-uh
These are all the pronunciations I've used, except for genasi... is it really a 'geh' or 'guh" like in Google or good, rather than the 'jeh' like in Gemini or Geena Davis? I've always heard others say (who also thought) it was "JEH-nah-see" until I heard Cordell say it.
oh, and Abeir... I've usually said "Ah-BEER" (which is excellent when served cold with dinner).
I've always heard others say (who also thought) it was "JEH-nah-see" until I heard Cordell say it.
-We're freaks, apparently...
The FRCS 1e says Abeir-Toril is pronounced "Ai-BEER-toh-RILL". Amn is "AWW-mmm". It pronounces most everything else too.
In Old Empires, the Akanul region was spelt just like that, "Akanul" with no hat on the u. The Old Empires map however spelt it "Akanal" with an a. The new Akanûl, with a u with a hat is circumflex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumflex_accent
Given that the name came from Chessenta, I recommend that the Ancient Greek version should be used, though that seemly widely variable. A long and pronounced U would be my guess: "AkanOOl" to rhyme with "cool".
Genasi should be pronounced with a soft g, as in the word genie, since genasi derive from genies. For the rest of the word, I say "jen-ah-see".
The FRCS 1e says Abeir-Toril is pronounced "Ai-BEER-toh-RILL". Amn is "AWW-mmm". It pronounces most everything else too.
The Akanul region was always spelt just like that, "Akanul" with no hat on the u. The Old Empires map went and made it "Akanal" with an a. The new Akanûl, with a u with a hat is circumflex:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumflex_accent
Given that the name came from Chessenta, I recommend that the Ancient Greek version should be used, though that seemly widely variable. A long and pronounced U would be my guess: "AkanOOl" to rhyme with "cool".
Thank you! I knew something was up with Cordell's pronunciation.
You foreigners and your weird rules... just pronounce the words like they're written!
Foreign to where? I ask because I know quite a few words that are most definitely not pronounced as written.
For instance, I am living in Boise - ask anyone with just a little knowledge of French how to say that, and then wonder why it is that they are wrong.
-That's how I always pronounced it. Hal-Is-Tra, with the letter 'A' being pronounced 'uh', where I come from.
Well well, Brooklyn seem to be home to some strange folk, doesn't it?
You foreigners and your weird rules... just pronounce the words like they're written!
Indeed! Yet, to do that, they would have to know how to pronounce the letter correctly. As it is, they only know their vowel-shifted loan-word-loaded and thus garbled modern English varieties. :D
For the other FR pronunciations, I say:
1) Amn - Ahm
2) Genasi - Jen-nah-see
3) Akanul - Ak-Ah-nool
4) Selune - Seh-LOON-a
5) Sune - SOON-ay
6) Abeir - Ah-beer
7) Amaunator - ah-mon-a-tor
8) Chauntea - SHAWN-tay-a
Indeed! Yet, to do that, they would have to know how to pronounce the letter correctly. As it is, they only know their vowel-shifted loan-word-loaded and thus garbled modern English varieties. :D
Yea, us Yanks do 'garble' the English language. And the funny thing is how much the accents differ from place to place as well as terminology. Here in good ol' Pixburgh (that's how some pronounce it here) we like to drink PoP (or soda
:P), use gum-bands (rubber bands), and 'read up' the house (a.k.a clean briskly). Airyago (there you go), Choobinuptoo (What have you been up to?), and Goin' dahn tahn to watch da Stillers (Going down-town to watch the Steelers) are also common phrases......One word that's been really confusing to me is the Otyugh creature. I know it's not FR, but still.....how do you say it??!?!
According to 2E MM, it's "AW-tee-ug".
I've been having to square with that word since middle school, anyway, by which time simply calling it "the poop beast" got to be marginally less funny.
Thus, that pronunciation seems quite natural, and Mr. Cordell is clearly mad!
-Bruce Cordell is under the influence of the Far Realms, so...
For instance, I am living in Boise - ask anyone with just a little knowledge of French how to say that, and then wonder why it is that they are wrong.
-Boise: "Boys-E"
One word that's been really confusing to me is the Otyugh creature. I know it's not FR, but still.....how do you say it??!?!
-Otyugh: 'Oh-Tu-Ga'
-That's the best I got.
Here in good ol' Pixburgh (that's how some pronounce it here) we like to drink PoP (or soda
-The hell? You people are freaks, you know that?
-Boise: "Boys-E"
Yes, that is how it is pronounced by most Americans.
It is a word that comes from the French language though, most specifically it comes from the word "boise." Which is pronounced bwah.
That was my point about the whole "foreigners" thing... people from one language background say things differently than people of other language backgrounds... especially once you put American english on the table for comparison, with all our words from other languages that we changed the pronunciation of without changing the meaning or spelling.
Yes, that is how it is pronounced by most Americans.
-Right. That's also the official pronunciation of the city: Boise (pronounced /ˈbɔɪsi/) (That symbol having an 'aw' effect.)
We all know Sune is pronounced "SOO-nee" according to multiple Realms sources, yet at Gen Con's Spin a Yarn with Ed Greenwood, someone shouted out something about a "paladin of SOON", and Ed pronounced her name as "SOON" a few more times. I wonder if that was just to avoid appearing like he was being a jerk and correcting the guy? (Some people just can't stand being corrected for some reason - gods forbid someone points out a mistake!)
Myth Drannor's another one. I say "Myth Drah-NOOR", which I believe I've seen phoenetically written somewhere like that, yet Ed and Rich Baker both say "Myth DRAN-ner".
Very curious indeed.
Oh, and I pronounce genasi with a soft g: "jee-NAH-see", since, as someone posted earlier, they are descended from genies.
Myth Drannor's another one. I say "Myth Drah-NOOR", which I believe I've seen phoenetically written somewhere like that, yet Ed and Rich Baker both say "Myth DRAN-ner".
Very curious indeed.
-How do I say it...Myth Drah-Ner
Yea, us Yanks do 'garble' the English language. And the funny thing is how much the accents differ from place to place as well as terminology. Here in good ol' Pixburgh (that's how some pronounce it here) we like to drink PoP (or soda
Wow... I feel like I'm back home in Georgia...
...Mr. Cordell is clearly mad!
This, just like "Rich Baker must be STOPPED!" needs to be on a t-shirt. ;)
If you go by the Japanese, "otyugh" is pronounced "ochu".
Bless you! *passes a kleenex*
;) :D ;)
I've always wondered how to correctly pronounce: Fzoul Chembryl
Thanks.
This is a very useful thread
I've always wondered how to correctly pronounce: Fzoul Chembryl
Thanks.
Smed-LEE WIP-lash ;)
Seriously though, I say it fuh-ZOOL CHIM-brill, but I have no idea if that's correct.
This is a very useful thread
I've always wondered how to correctly pronounce: Fzoul Chembryl
Thanks.
-I SAY: "Fa-Zool Chem-Bril" ('Ch' as in 'Chair')
According to 2E Running the Realms book, it's "fzool CHEM-bril". So presumably that's a soft 'z' (as in 'zoom') with just a breath of 'f' preceding it.
Maybe it's a silent z. FOOL CHEM-bril. :D