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Head is wrong for a Gold. :P
i'm thinking opposite. Head is Chinese-like, which was more Gold Dragon.
The rider is supposed to be a shade knight.
-That said, though, concerning both what was chosen to be on the cover, and the actual artwork itself...No, it's not my cup of tea, either.
Isn't that the city being beseiged in the final battle down below? What was it... Minas Tirith or some such? Its been years since I read those books...
And it can't be a Wyvern, because the one major distinguishing feature a Wyvern ALWAYS has is its Stinger-tail. ;)
Perhaps it's a young Gold, who hasn't gotten it's whiskers yet.
Its nice to see someone's 'Shadowcrap' is still getting top billing, now that Ed's weave is gone.
I need to take a few more days break again...
Well, i think it looks most like a gold, if you take a look at the face. And it's no wyvern, it's got no stinger and it's got arms, as i think you can see the right leg poking out. And think those thingies on the wings are just artistic license, as they continue on.
-Looks like a stinger on the tail to me. Looks fairly sharp. And, I don't see any hind legs, either. That...piece of it, to the right of the creature's chin, doesn't look like a leg, or part of a leg, to me.
Its obviously a young Dragon, hence my comment about it not having whiskers - I like the idea that dragons get them as they get older, which is why those Celestial Dragons of the east always have such long ones. To other Dragons, they would be a way for a Dragon to show its age, and demand respect, much like a Dwarf's beard does for him.
I just made all of that up, but I like it, so I figured I'd share.
D&D has gone the way of home-cooked meals - cheap and easy to produce mass-market crap packed with 'fillers' and with very little in the way of value. Sadly, WotC has become the 'fast food' of the RPG industry.
-Not to muddy the waters, but that looks like a Wyvern to me. Don't see any back legs, and the front "wings" look like they are the creature's arms, due to the prehensile "fingers". ;)
Maybe. At that angle, it's really hard to tell.
Well, according to official sources (Rich, I believe, or perhaps Brian), it's a picture of a Shade mounted on a Dragon, so there you go.
Well, they've been mistaken before.
At first Rich thought the Drizzt cover was the real cover.
Well, according to official sources (Rich, I believe, or perhaps Brian), it's a picture of a Shade mounted on a Dragon, so there you go.
Well, according to official sources (Rich, I believe, or perhaps Brian), it's a picture of a Shade mounted on a Dragon, so there you go.
-Wyverns are Draconic creatures.
Well, they've been mistaken before.
-And, there's the novel release schedule, as well. That's pretty messed up.
Dragon doesn't mean draconic;p
-Rich also wrote that Queen Amlauril has black hair, so...
The city is most likely something from the new Nethril nation.
It's Shade Enclave
It's Shade Enclave
-It's a flying Netherese enclave. Being as that the Shade Enclave is surrounded by a forboding shadow, that's not the Shade Enclave (or a bad interpretation of it). That said, it must be the other flying Netherese enclave, Sakkors.
its still bad artwork, or a bad scan
Rich said it was a shadow dragon or so he believed.
-Case in point: Or so he believes. He believed a few things in the past that weren't necessarily correct...
-Case in point: Or so he believes. He believed a few things in the past that weren't necessarily correct...
that is true.
a tome look would have been better
Am i the only one that wants Bob Marley and Elminster smoking pipes and spliffs on the cover?
Yes, you are. :P ;)
Yes, you are. :P ;)
Damn... What about Elminster lying in a bed with however many wenches needed for the ego boost, smoking a pipe and looking at a shredded bedpost?
Ed Greenwood, Salvatore, Elaine Cunningham, Monte Cook and Baker all chucking miniatures at each other? With Salvatore shouting; "Not the Drizzt miniature!"
Then again, he's probably next, now that WotC forced him to kill Wulfgar, Bruenor, and cattie-Brie (Regis may be alive).
Anyhow, its just a picture, and although I don't think it really captures the spirit of the old realms, it certainly captures the new one.
And rarely does cover art accurately portray anything in a product (like the air-ships that appeared on BOTH SS products) - this exact topic has just come up over at CK regarding the novels as well.
They're just 'pretty pictures', after all, NOT illustrations, painted with the sole purpose of capturing people's attention... nothing more.
The artists usually put high-res images on their site, and only Elmore makes it difficult to download the image (although thats easily circumvented).
I only do it to make Avatars for the WotC site though, because they already own the rights, so I'm not doing anything 'funky'.
That reminds me, I have about 600 more I need to mail to Mel... :lightbulb
That reminds me, I have about 600 more I need to mail to Mel... :lightbulb
-Yeah, how 'bout a list of cities you have to mail Lord Karsus?
Sorry
I really should get my affairs in order... I got my second complaint in 24 hours. Obviously someone's gunning for me. No big, I wanted to be a 'Martyr' anyway. :D
Funny, I've been doing that for the last 16 months here, every now and again, but only got in trouble for it twice in the last twentyfour hours.
I do that on plenty of sites, but this is the first one that pointed out it was against the rules.
Now I know better.
BOLLOCKS
BOLLOCKS
BOLLOCKS
i'm tempting fate.
There is really no threat there, you know.. either way we all have to 'move' soon.
I remember when Games Workshop got rid of their boards - their quarterly earnings have been plummeting ever since.
Nothing like supporting your EXISTING customer base.
I did go out and buy a Wood Elf army when it came out, because I thought the minis were gorgeous, but it remains a 'virgin' (totally un-played). I painted a bunch of Ogre minis when that came out as well, but those were sold on E-Bay as part of the Tsunami relief fundraiser we did. I could probably even cobble together a Dark Elf or Vampire Counts army (a small one), because I have tons of odds and ends from both of those lines as well.
But yeah, it got too expensive, and turned into a hobby for collectors, not gamers. Iron Kingdoms, with its much smaller warbands seemed to be the way to go (I have two armies there as well). One day I'll finish my Warjack with REAL working LEDs for eyes.
Should fetch a pretty penny on E-Bay. :D
I tell you, there's just so much good stuff out there right now, I'm at at loss to choose just one.
Did you catch that issue of White Dwarf, with the Lustrian Norse Army? I SO wanted to build one of those. Jungle Vikings; how original is that? :D
And i will let you know my brother's skinks were tough; 60 of them with poisoned arrows and a kroxigor... and a shaman that survived a direct hit with a cannon... and then called down thunder from the skies... Was scary...
Are you afraid they will ban you from a board they are planning on getting rid of in a few short weeks?
There is really no threat there, you know.. either way we all have to 'move' soon.
I remember when Games Workshop got rid of their boards - their quarterly earnings have been plummeting ever since.
Nothing like supporting your EXISTING customer base.
I know English is not my 1st language, but does the listing here, under "D&D Worlds" that says "Forgotten Realms" actually mean "deletion"?
I know English is not my 1st language, but does the listing here, under "D&D Worlds" that says "Forgotten Realms" actually mean "deletion"?
Your knowledge of the English language is not at fault.
I know English is not my 1st language, but does the listing here, under "D&D Worlds" that says "Forgotten Realms" actually mean "deletion"?
Thats a reference to the new 4e setting they are coming out with, not anything that they currently publish.
Which is what I'm here for.
I'm not going to a 4e board to discuss the Realms, because anything I know about no longer matters, and anything anyone there can tell me I really could care less about.
See the dilema?
I want to go to a board that discusses a setting I play in.
BTW, I have no argument with those people, it's just that we have nothing in common.
Stop victimizing yourself.
New ideas can help anyone out no matter what setting you play in.
I know English is not my 1st language, but does the listing here, under "D&D Worlds" that says "Forgotten Realms" actually mean "deletion"?
-The boards are being shuffled (if you haven't noticed already), and the Forgotten Realms section is going from six to one.
Aren't these current boards the 3rd edition FR boards? Yet we have people here who play 1) in their own version of the Realms 2) with a different edition of D&D 3) different ruleset altogether.
Stop victimizing yourself.
I have a problem with your #2 -
1e, 2e, and 3e were NEVER referred to as new settings, and although the timeline was moved forward a bit, almost everything in the earlier edition books remained true.
My point was that all three previous edition books are no longer valid, because the geography has changed and the NPCs are all dead. There is not much in them that counts in 4e. The people on the 4e FR boards may be nice, helpful folks, but everything they can tell me has NO bearing on what I play in. Just like I don't go to the Eberron boards to ask questions, I won't go there either. Nor will I be obnoxious and try to force my own version of FR down their throats. Anything I could possibly contribute is quite worthless now.
It is a different setting, plain and simple, and the company that is publishing it has said it was NUMEROUS times.
I don't have anything against 4e or its fans at this point - I'm over that - but I'm a realist, and its time to move on.
What confuses me the most is why you guys, of all people, would care if I no longer plan to participate on the WotC boards.
I'm not a 'victim' - never said I was. I'm just making a decision to move on.
My point was that all three previous edition books are no longer valid
Hello? We are getting 3 FR books for 4e. Unless you can supersede thousands of pages of lore in 3 hardcovers, your old FR books are just as valid as the numerous 2e books have been for me in my 3e games.
What confuses me the most is why you guys, of all people, would care if I no longer plan to participate on the WotC boards.
Because... I, uh...
I love you, MarkusTay63.
I tell you what, if you want me to try and participate, I will. I have no idea how helpful I could possibly be, since I only know about the stuff thats long gone, but I suppose I could give it a shot.
Maybe I'll just embrace 'lurker status' most times, and only say something if its a history question.
And who knows, I may still like FR when it comes out - as of right now, I only know what I don't like.
:D
Well, to be fair, 4e Realms still has Ed. And Elaine eventually too.
Elaine is a maybe, not a definite.
A good fat paycheck.
No one. Can resist.
A good fat paycheck.
Right, but Elaine has other sources of that besides the Realms setting. She has a few projects she's working on right now, and none of them, so far as she's told us, have to do with the FR setting (4E or otherwise).
But I know! "Realms are dead! Thanks for destroying the Realms... wah-wah sand in my ******!"
Wah-wah? Interesting debating tactic. Now, I can counter by saying that even though 4th Edition 'Realms' have Ed, it also has just three books, Dragonborn and is being run by Bruce Cordell.
Frankly, I couldn't care. I've always found whining much less constructive then doing what I can as a consumer, which is to not purchase the products I don't want.
I like being positive, which is why I'm recommending to people that they try out Pathfinder. It really is very good.I like being positive, which is why I'm recommending to people that they try out Pathfinder. It really is very good.
Indeed, it feels good to be excited about a new setting.
Right, but Elaine has other sources of that besides the Realms setting. She has a few projects she's working on right now, and none of them, so far as she's told us, have to do with the FR setting (4E or otherwise).
My post was firmly tongue-in-cheek.
Wah-wah? Interesting debating tactic. Now, I can counter by saying that even though 4th Edition 'Realms' have Ed, it also has just three books, Dragonborn and is being run by Bruce Cordell.
I wasn't debating. I was deconstructing an opposing viewpoint and analyzing it with sharp intellect.
I'm playing PRPG.
I wasn't debating. I was deconstructing an opposing viewpoint and analyzing it with sharp intellect.
I'm playing PRPG.
Excellent. It's the cookies that did it, isn't it? :D
Whichever world I use (if I use either), I will still probably follow both, PF because it something new, and Elaine and Ed (not to mention everyone else over there) are just to hard to resist. FR because, frankly, I still have a deep love for the setting itself, so even if I don't buy any of the RPG products or game in it, I will still pick up the occassional novel just to see whats going on.
My decision to not participate in the 4e boards has nothing to do with spite, anger, or "voting with my Wallet". It has to do with the fact that I know myself, and I don't want to spoil other people's enjoyment just because I don't like something. 4e FR must be given a chance to garner it's own, new audience, and I shouldn't stand in its way.
To be all 'puke-mushy' for a sec -
"If you love something, you should set it free"
Besides, the Genasi Kingdom does sound mildly interesting... even if it should've been placed in Calimshan. :P
Well, it looks like it's finally happened--only one FR board now.
-"Merging of the Two Worlds"! Ahh!
