But I read in the countdown articles the genasi largely where transposed on the realms.. like the dragonborn.
Interested how they gonna describe the cultures and genasi architecture upon the flying motes.
I would rather eat glass than play or run a hundred years in the future. They can take their politically correct, **** retentive Baldurs Gate that makes no sense whatsoever, and shove it up their candy a**es.
I always liked Genasi, too, but not like this. Not at the expense of the entire Dragon Coast and all the interesting intrigue. Fire Knives? Gone? Westgate? Gone?
It is very unlikely I will buy the supplement
however, I am interested in what people have to say about the genasi kingdom
And no more freaks.
Presumably existing genasi will be wiped out or retconned to accommodate this.
I think having a fully fledged race with a kingdom will make the appeal of playing a genasi beter. How would a race with elemental afiinities organise its lawsystem for example. And will the earth genasi be the worker caste (mainly clerics building all structures on landmotes), the water genasi the law enforcement (defendery and tenacious), the fire genasi the militairy (blasting enhanced soldiers and fiery warlocks), and the air genasi the governmental caste (elite warlords and bookish wizards)?
I think the appeal is the fact that they are rare and strange. I think a lot of players enjoy that type of character
I always liked Genasi, too, but not like this. Not at the expense of the entire Dragon Coast and all the interesting intrigue. Fire Knives? Gone? Westgate? Gone?
:surrender Some of you guys are now making up things to be upset about.
Well, I'm sure your right. But at the very least they have let out bits and pieces of the new Realms which has all so far been disheartening. So you may have forgive Msatran for assuming the worst
I think the appeal is the fact that they are rare and strange. I think a lot of players enjoy that type of character
I think the appeal is the elemental and planetouched flavour... not necesarily thier rarity... In chessenta and surrounding areas they were not uncommon. You can play a scro or Thri Kreen for strange and rarity...
But yeah, in the rest of Fearun they used to be quite rare, and that has its appeal too.
Westgate being still around eh, Iakhovas? It aint might have not gotten hit by the changelands as hard as Chondath...
I think the appeal is the elemental and planetouched flavour... not necesarily thier rarity...
OK. I just don't think making them more common makes them a more appealling PC option
If I like it, I'll use it--in a setting other than the Forgotten Realms.
If I like it, I'll use it--in a setting other than the Forgotten Realms.
such as?
such as?
Another planet to visit.
Another planet to visit.
you playing that?
you playing that?
No, not at the moment...but I think it'd be a fun idea!
No, not at the moment...but I think it'd be a fun idea!
I agree with you
Hopefully genasi go core
I always liked Genasi, too, but not like this. Not at the expense of the entire Dragon Coast and all the interesting intrigue. Fire Knives? Gone? Westgate? Gone?
I don't know what the source of your information was, but I think it was inaccurate. I do know the LFR Admins in Australia who are responsible for writing LFR adventures for the Dragon Coast and Westgate would be very surprised to hear otherwise. Their first adventure is set in Westgate (see reposted blurb), and since all of our adventure proposals/blurbs are reviewed and must be approved by WotC (for consistency with both the FR campaign setting and their planned novels), you can take the announced blurb as officially approved. The Fire Knives, Westgate and the Dragon Coast will be source of intrigue for many years, I suspect.
DRAG-1 Many Hands Make Light Work
Westgate is a dangerous city at any time, but today it’s about to live up to its name. Today, a band of pious Silverstars have arrived in your precinct and they need a little help with renovations and… removals. A Living Forgotten Realms adventure set in the Dragon Coast for characters levels 1-4.
Keith
I do not want to see the effects of it become canon.
unless its
FR timeline:
then has one living FR timeline
1476: retcon was found dead, killed by drizzt teamed up with halaster blackcloak.
anyway, I though the tiefling point of light falllen kingdom was just for that points of light core 3? and that it would not overwrite the FR tiefling.
or did you mean fallen narfell?
I still do not like the idea of the living fr.
I do not want to see the effects of it become canon.
-This is overreacting a bit. In the end, WotC decides what becomes canon and what doesn't, so what's the difference between them picking an interesting adventure, or them writing the adveture? Nothing, really.
1476: retcon was found dead, killed by drizzt teamed up with halaster blackcloak.
-The mighty Retcon cannot die.
-This is overreacting a bit. In the end, WotC decides what becomes canon and what doesn't, so what's the difference between them picking an interesting adventure, or them writing the adveture? Nothing, really.
it won't
-That answer doesn't even make sense! :P
Dammit! I read through this entire post just to agree with MerrikCale!
Dammit! I read through this entire post just to agree with MerrikCale!
I guess I wasn't making sense after all
I mean the LFR stuff won't become canon
I would not be so sure about that.
I mean the LFR stuff won't become canon
-Oh, oh, oh. Well, some of it will. In a base, vague form.
the Genasi realm should be in Calimshan not in Chessenta
-If not Genasi, I remember seeing stats for Half-Genies/Djinni/Mereids/Whatever the other one is that I thought were pretty cool.
I guess I wasn't making sense after all
Eh. Probably not.
-Oh, oh, oh. Well, some of it will. In a base, vague form.
Why do you say that?
Why do you say that?
-Because that's how it works. I don't remember the name of the adventure off hand, but do you remember the one where the players free Waukeen from Gra'zzt? Lore has been made since that denotes how "a band of adventurers" freed Waukeen. This will be, in a general sense, what happens in the case of the Living Forgotten Realms, and the RPGA. The things that are deemed canon will be somewhat vague, so that lots of people can feel special.
-Say that 1,000 people play the "Kill Fzoul!" adventure. After everything is said and done, "a bunch of adventurers" will have killed Fzoul. Follow?
-Because that's how it works. I don't remember the name of the adventure off hand, but do you remember the one where the players free Waukeen from Gra'zzt? Lore has been made since that denotes how "a band of adventurers" freed Waukeen. This will be, in a general sense, what happens in the case of the Living Forgotten Realms, and the RPGA. The things that are deemed canon will be somewhat vague, so that lots of people can feel special.
-Say that 1,000 people play the "Kill Fzoul!" adventure. After everything is said and done, "a bunch of adventurers" will have killed Fzoul. Follow?
Ah. If its only occassional I don't mind
-Well, I don't know how often it'd be, but it'd be in that generic format. But, as I said somewhere else, what's the difference between WotC doing it, writing it in a novel, sourcebook, or adventure, or the RPGA people doing it?
none really
-Exactly. So, there's no reason to panic, because of that. Other things, sure, but no need to add more on the plate.
whose panicking? I am just concerned that too much canon would stem from the RPGA.
-Nope. It is likely that all Genasi will be found there, but we don't know the make up of social strata, and all that.
the name does sound kind of "air genasi-y"
LFR/RPGA
LK is quite correct - the canon will derive from the adventures themselves, which are 'approved' by officials sources. Details of individual groups running the adventure are purposely left out when the incident is discussed in sources later on - this way everyone can pretend it was their group that 'did it'.
Its a sham, really - NOTHING happens in canon that they didn't plan in the adventure. They have always presented adventure lore thusly, and I can only think of one example where the 'negative outcome' of the adventure was used, rather then "the good guys won".
And that would be Brian James' version of the events surrounding Solon, Ra-Khati, and Tan Chin from the Horde series of adventures. I suppose the reasoning behind that was that not many FR fans used them.
Air Genasi - you can read all the available info in my FAQ.
I couldn't find it, whats the info?
The Genasi come from Abeir from the land of Shyr, that gets transposed over parts of Chondath and East Chessenta (the former Akanûl plains) . Airspur is the capital of Akanûl now. Guess they oust all remaining ruling halforcs there.
None of that mentioned genasi types, though?
-I was thinking, myself, that Air and Water Genasi should make up the ruling classes of the city. Fire Genasi and Earth Genasi, stereotypically, are too stupid and/or ADD-ridden to make an effective ruling class.
I wouldn't completely bank on that. While stereotype applies, in all reality, fire genasi and their self-superiority would be hard pressed to simply taking a back seat in the governing of their own nation. And subjection to their race would leave them retaliating.
None of that mentioned genasi types, though?
Nope. But I found a clue that the different types of genasi survive. Rich Baker spoke about a playtest he did with an epic genasi warlock with the wildfire racial paragon path here. He mentions taking two pieces of a soul to make his character.. fire soul and storm soul...
Does that mean genasi intermingle nowadays? All genasi are dual elemental? Whe'll see soon enough.
Nope. But I found a clue that the different types of genasi survive. Rich Baker spoke about a playtest he did with an epic genasi warlock with the wildfire racial paragon path here. He mentions taking two pieces of a soul to make his character.. fire soul and storm soul...
Does that mean genasi intermingle nowadays? All genasi are dual elemental? Whe'll see soon enough.
I highly doubt all genasi are dual--though the concept is a bit cool, providing there is diminished power on both sides.
But, come on, how elemental can a person be? I mean, storm/fire/magic genasi, when only fire is a true "element?"
I wouldn't completely bank on that. While stereotype applies, in all reality, fire genasi and their self-superiority would be hard pressed to simply taking a back seat in the governing of their own nation. And subjection to their race would leave them retaliating.
-Of course. But, if they can't focus on the topic at hand for more than five minutes...I did preface that by saying that's just what I thought, by the way. :P
Its a sham, really - NOTHING happens in canon that they didn't plan in the adventure. They have always presented adventure lore thusly, and I can only think of one example where the 'negative outcome' of the adventure was used, rather then "the good guys won".
And that would be Brian James' version of the events surrounding Solon, Ra-Khati, and Tan Chin from the Horde series of adventures. I suppose the reasoning behind that was that not many FR fans used them.
the Genasi realm should be in Calimshan not in Chessenta
Nope. But I found a clue that the different types of genasi survive. Rich Baker spoke about a playtest he did with an epic genasi warlock with the wildfire racial paragon path here. He mentions taking two pieces of a soul to make his character.. fire soul and storm soul...
Does that mean genasi intermingle nowadays? All genasi are dual elemental? Whe'll see soon enough.
Earlier rumors told about a unique genasi race, as if they were a race infused by the energies from the Elemental Chaos. With racial feats and/or paragon paths then you would "specialize" in an element or energy type of your choice.
I'm not sure if that was early design or clues made by the designers or even some players. I don't say I don't like it... just waiting to see what's really going to be.
The normal elementals (they are not in the 4E MM yet?) are mostly multielemental aswell, so this will make the new genasi fit the new planar themes. The older genasi where more closely linked with efreet and djinni ancestry and more linked to the Calimshan history.
There will be only one Genasi race, but by choosing the soulparts one can make a dual (a Shyrian) or monoelemental (Fearunian) genasi. For example an older regular fire genasi chooses the Firesoul and Efreetisoulpart, and a typical Akanûlian genasi would pick the Water and Air/Storm soulparts. This'll keep the older planetouched feel intact while making dual elemental genasi possible. And more powerful racial feats can be chosen depending on the former soulparts. This design sounds rather interesting to say the least.
The normal elementals (they are not in the 4E MM yet?) are mostly multielemental aswell, so this will make the new genasi fit the new planar themes. The older genasi where more closely linked with efreet and djinni ancestry and more linked to the Calimshan history.
Wow, where was this all detailed?
-I think that's an interesting concept, but don't think that 'Genasi' is the best term to use for these creatures.
I agree. I wouldn't mind seeing something like that per se, but they ain't no air genasi
Always thought Genasi as rare, so now that they're not, they've lost a lot of their appeal, imo.
There is some truth in that. The rarity is a plus, although a kingdom of them does not rule out their rareness. There is a kingdom of shades after all and people still stare at them as they walk down the street. Who knows how many genasi occupy the kingdom and whether or not they leave much
But I do get your point
I always liked the genasi myself, so I am glad they are getting some work in the Players Guide
-The Genasi in the Forgotten Realms got some extensive coverage in Player's Guide to Faerûn, if I'm not mistaken.
-The Genasi in the Forgotten Realms got some extensive coverage in Player's Guide to Faerûn, if I'm not mistaken.
More so in Races of Faerun
More so in Races of Faerun
-I take back what I said. I believe I meant Races of Faerûn.
-I take back what I said. I believe I meant Races of Faerûn.
no no. you were wrong and I had to correct you
-Well, like it was described earlier on in this thread. Mixing Air and Fire (which I guess would result in Smoke), and so on and so forth.
so if an air genasi got busy with a fire genasi, you would a smoke genasi?
Fans had made para and quasi genasi for planescape (not to mention the Elementalists Netbook that had more ways to specialize in elementalism than I can explain in a single thread).
where is the Elementalist netbook
Yup that is the book LK. A combination of both how fun and humorous fan made material for planescape is, and of how ridiculous things get when you create a world that focuses on symmetry.
-Awesome!
But the idea that you can mix elements is nice as long as its easy to limit how many you use.
If it not possable to create one who only one of the classic elements I be miffed.
This mixing thing might work well for tieflings and aasimar (the planescape kind). I'm intrigued
I'm not sure what you mean, the mixing of the genasi?
I'm not sure what you mean, the mixing of the genasi?
-The netbook.
is it true there will be no more air genasi, fire genasi, etc. Instead there will just be genasi?
-I don't think so, because I remember Rich Baker saying that the Air Genasi were the "upper class" of Akanûl.
good. Some people have posted that a Rich post implied otherwise
-Who? Where? How?
-Who? Where? How?
mostly on the general boards not here. I'm too lazy to go looking though
-Oh, okay. I don't ever bother looking at the General Boards. Some people say "it's" bad here? Pshh...
sometimes I stray over there for a post or 2. Mostly in the Future Releases Board actually and a little in the General Discussion