My question is there an updated one or is that the one i have to follow
now if its a dragon magizine is there some free source i can look at or do i have to go buy it?
edit: i think i posted this in the wrong thread so del plz if im right
Yes, you're in the wrong boards for this topic. These are FR specific, so you want the 3e boards, unless you want to talk about the FR novel The Fighters: Ghostwalker.
James Davis (author of the novel Bloodwalk, which also features a ghostwalker) and I actually had a conversation about trying to build a 3.5 ghostwalker PrC, and we weren't sure the class really needed a rebuild. You can pretty much use it *as-is*, with a couple tweaks to the skills (to reflect changes from 3e to 3.5), though if you *do* want to change it, it's probably important to maintain the feel of powering up against your nemesis, walking through walls, etc.
If you like, however, there are also a couple suggested 3.5 PrCs out there on the web. I saw one that hit enemies with shadowy ghostly power. Pretty neat. Type "ghostwalker 3.5 PrC" into google and you should find a couple.
As for ghostwalkers in the realms, I think my novel and James's provide two different representations of what a ghostwalker might be like, and the comparisons you can draw between the two show pretty effectively what all ghostwalkers have in common: solitude, mystery, and darkness. I think they should be rare and extremely purposeful. They tend to be easier for the DM to handle as NPCs. I've run battles against my ghostwalker a couple of times, and boy do my PCs jump!
If a PC were to become a ghostwalker, there'd have to be a great story that goes into it--the revenge game is an interesting game. Could be a good "mysterious stranger in the corner who doesn't talk much" sort of character, or you could make for a good SOLO D&D plot . . . Hmm . . .
Cheers
P.S. Should you want to talk about the novel or the PrC or whatever, I'll be around this thread, and feel free to drop me an email if you like: erikscottdebie AT yahoo.com
now one of the powers you mention in your book is how Walker can see the dead is that just his power or something all of them should have.
Now my DM does want training to become a ghostwalker a part of the campaign so I also was kinda vague on how to go about that. My only thoughts whould be kind of like the entrenal blade from the book of nine swords where they have the spirit guide to train them
now one of the powers you mention in your book is how Walker can see the dead is that just his power or something all of them should have.
That's his personal power. Mechanically, I leave it ambiguous: a touch of some latent psionic talent, maybe, or a connection with the dead?
Not to put too fine a point on it, it's inspired by an ability characters could take in Ravenloft, actually.
Now my DM does want training to become a ghostwalker a part of the campaign so I also was kinda vague on how to go about that. My only thoughts whould be kind of like the entrenal blade from the book of nine swords where they have the spirit guide to train them
Not having a copy of the Book of Nine Swords, I couldn't say for sure, but that sounds like a good idea in concept.
I recommend your character embark on a series of quests meant to test his dedication and commitment to his lonely, dark path. One of his challenges might be to go into battle against a more powerful foe and survive. Since one of a ghostwalker's earliest abilities is to feign death, he needs to learn what it's like to have a purposeful brush with death. Also, he should have several battles against ghosts or other incorporeal undead. Also lessons on meditation, which isn't something you just do but something you learn and practice.
Cheers
P.S. I actually started a prequel story about the ghostwalker from my novel and his "training" but it never materialized. One day, maybe.
Anyhow, I though there was a 3.5 version in the Ghostwalk setting, but there isn't anything even close to it in there (sadly enough - it seemed appropriate).
Personally, if I were to use it, I turn the class features into Feats, available only to followers of gods of retribution or redemption (like Hoar).
Then again, I would change a lot of PrCs into Feat-chains avaialble only to specific groups, races, or regions. PrCs always seemd a little redundant to me with feats.
P.S. I actually started a prequel story about the ghostwalker from my novel and his "training" but it never materialized. One day, maybe.
-The Sun Elf Druid Ghost was a dynamic character, to be sure, in her motivations.
Anyhow, I though there was a 3.5 version in the Ghostwalk setting, but there isn't anything even close to it in there (sadly enough - it seemed appropriate).
The brilliant Ghostwalk setting was actually, I believe, one of the last, if not THE last 3.0 supplement released. So it wouldn't have included an update of the ghostwalker PrC, as that would simply be reprinting something that was already compatible with it.
I could be wrong on that, though--I missed my chance to buy that book the one time I saw it in a used bookstore, and I've been on the lookout ever since.
-The Sun Elf Druid Ghost was a dynamic character, to be sure, in her motivations.
Glad you liked her, LK. So what's your opinion: were she and the ghostwalker alive in that book or not?
Different readers have differing perspectives.
Cheers
Glad you liked her, LK. So what's your opinion: were she and the ghostwalker alive in that book or not?
Different readers have differing perspectives.
-Alive as in "Ethereal Ghosts" as opposed to "Undead Ghosts", or...?
Now Walker was alive mainly cause he did get it up a couple of times;)
I like the concept a lot, and have adapted things from various settings (Greyhawk's Animus, Deadland's Harrowed, and the Forsaken of WoW) along those lines for my own games.
The idea of dying, and then getting back up to complete something unfinished is just so cool. I only wish they had done more with it in D&D, instead of just putting it in it's own seperate setting. I thought the concept of undead being able to level and have classes was just awesome.
Get that book if you can, Erik.
I know there is a PrC (or core class) wherein you must have a "brush with death", and I had thought it was the Ghostwalker, but I just checked and that's not the case.
That might be the Blood Magus. Who must killed and then returned to live in order to enter the PrC. A Blood Magus is the focus of the novel Bloodwalk (The Wizards series). Coincidentally the protagonist of Bloodwalk was also a Ghostwalker.
It seems (by chance of publishing selection) Ghostwalkers appear with some frequency in the Realms.
That might be the Blood Magus. Who must killed and then returned to live in order to enter the PrC. A Blood Magus is the focus of the novel Bloodwalk (The Wizards series). Coincidentally the protagonist of Bloodwalk was also a Ghostwalker.
It seems (by chance of publishing selection) Ghostwalkers appear with some frequency in the Realms.
There's actually a great story behind that: James Davis and I had both submitted pitches for the Ghostwalker novel, and WotC liked both of them. Only obviously they couldn't publish *both* of them as "Ghostwalker," so they asked James to rewrite his to focus on the *villain* rather than the protagonist (Morgynn, the blood magus). That way, they got to have the cake and eat it too.
I think the characters are sufficiently different to stand apart, whilst maintaining certain similarities that are common to all ghostwalkers (in the way that casting spells is a common theme among magic users). I like the resonance, myself.
Cheers
-Alive as in "Ethereal Ghosts" as opposed to "Undead Ghosts", or...?
I don't know--how did you interpret them? I left it ambiguous as to whether they were alive or not, and I thought that you, as a noted realms scholar, would have an interesting opinion.
I have that book, dislike it somewhat, and would be willing to trade...
Well, I guess we'll just have to run across each other at GenCon one of these days. Though I can't imagine what in my collection *you* would need (I'm sure you've got most of it already).
Now Walker was alive mainly cause he did get it up a couple of times
Now that has got to be the best logic EVER.
It's never come up at a signing, but sometimes I do get the question as to whether I'm down with necrophilia.
Cheers
And for those of you who enjoy a good 'gross-out', read The Throne of Bones by Brian McNaughton.
Very, VERY dark.....
But I HIGHLY recommend it, because it is a truly excellent collection of short (fantasy horror) stories - and I normally don't go in for the macabre.
I don't know--how did you interpret them? I left it ambiguous as to whether they were alive or not, and I thought that you, as a noted realms scholar, would have an interesting opinion.
-Not being very familiar (or liking) the "Ethereal Ghost" concept, I'd rather have all dead things related to the Undead subtype, when it comes to reanimation and such. Being as that Walker saw and interacted with the spirits of the dead (unless it was some type of illusion or some other kind of trick, being played on him by his master, or some other force/entity), I'd consider him Undead. But, on the other hand, he is quite physical. His status, is ambiguous, and rightfully so. In some D&D book that I don't have, there is the 'Deathless' status, or something to that effect, that I recall someone mentioning recently. Walker, with his Ghostwalker PrC, would most likely fall into that category, as I understand it. It's is essentially something like on the fine line between 'live' and 'dead'. That would explain his ability to interact with mortals and the dead, while existing as both living and dead.
Well, I guess we'll just have to run across each other at GenCon one of these days. Though I can't imagine what in my collection *you* would need (I'm sure you've got most of it already).
-Bah, I'll never go to GenCon, or any kind of convention. I have an aversion to people like that, who go to things like conventions.
There's actually a great story behind that: James Davis and I had both submitted pitches for the Ghostwalker novel, and WotC liked both of them. Only obviously they couldn't publish *both* of them as "Ghostwalker," so they asked James to rewrite his to focus on the *villain* rather than the protagonist (Morgynn, the blood magus). That way, they got to have the cake and eat it too.
I think the characters are sufficiently different to stand apart, whilst maintaining certain similarities that are common to all ghostwalkers (in the way that casting spells is a common theme among magic users). I like the resonance, myself.
Cheers
Hi Erik,
I've read about that behind-the-scenes publishing tidbit before. I found it interesting. I feel Ghostwalkers are the type of specialty fighter/warrior that FR should have, at least as novel protagonists and PC-options. One reason why I enjoyed Ghostwalker.
That might be the Blood Magus.
Thanks - that was the one I was thinking of.
-Bah, I'll never go to GenCon, or any kind of convention. I have an aversion to people like that, who go to things like conventions.
I have been to one gaming convention in my life, but I have also been to a Star Trek convention (the very FIRST one), and I have to say, they both gave me memories I will cherish my entire life.
Go to one... I promise you you won't regret it.
If I had the money, I'd drag you along with my two sons to Gencon this year.
I don't know - I prefer thinking of the various types of undead in at least two different states - physical, and spiritual.
-I agree. I don't find 'Etherealness' to be fully meshing with what I consider 'true' ghosts. When a person dies, I see their souls as being made of Incarnum energy, and existing on some conterminous plane that exists for the purpose of allowing the dead to "cross over", to borrow from John Edwards. The Ethereal Plane, I don't imagine being much involved.