God associated with wine

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#1

VaultDweller

Jan 09, 2010 12:42:59
Are there any gods in the Forgotten Realms associated with wine?

I want a character to exclaim a god's name in exultation upon finding a bottle of incredibly rare wine (the last vintage of haerlu wine before Halruaa was wiped out by Spellplague).  If there's no god associated with wine, I guess I'll use Chauntea.
#2

LordManshoon

Jan 09, 2010 12:52:32
Are there any gods in the Forgotten Realms associated with wine?

I want a character to exclaim a god's name in exultation upon finding a bottle of incredibly rare wine (the last vintage of haerlu wine before Halruaa was wiped out by Spellplague).  If there's no god associated with wine, I guess I'll use Chauntea.

Chauntea would be a good choice for the production of wine, though it isn't one of her portfolios. I also recall hearing about vintners in some parts of the Realms who revered Lathander (if he's still alive in your game). Lliira, goddess of celebration and happiness, and Sharess, goddess of hedonism, are both associated with the consumption of wine. So, any of them would work.  

#3

The_Silversword

Jan 09, 2010 16:31:12

Right, I would go with Chauntea as well, although Ive found references to her priests making Ale, it would make sense for them to be making wine as well. I would imagine its all top shelf stuff too!

#4

VaultDweller

Jan 09, 2010 22:00:57
Thanks for the feedback.  I think I'll go with Chauntea.
#5

18DELTA

Jan 10, 2010 0:25:01
IIRC Dionysus(Baccus) was a 'Saint' of Illmater in the earlier Realms. 1e-3e in the eastern Realms.
#6

The_Silversword

Jan 10, 2010 2:39:17
IIRC Dionysus(Baccus) was a 'Saint' of Illmater in the earlier Realms. 1e-3e in the eastern Realms.



Thats right, i vaguely remember that. Didnt he have a monestary or something somewhere?
#7

18DELTA

Jan 10, 2010 2:52:26
In the Vast or Impiltur, I think.
#8

Matt_James

Jan 11, 2010 14:44:15

Tempus likes to drink wine and fight... >_>

(I choose St. Dionysius)

#9

iakhovas

Jan 11, 2010 19:23:51
In 4E parlance, Dionysus, Sollars, and the other "saints" of Ilmater's church may be exarchs.
#10

ScrivenerofDoom

Jan 11, 2010 19:31:43
Thats right, i vaguely remember that. Didnt he have a monestary or something somewhere?



I recall a Salvatorean abomination called the Abbey of the St Sollars with its five-pointed star holy symbol. There is also a Salvatoreaningly revolting passage of dialogue at the beginning of H4 The Throne of Bloodstone where St Sollars introduces himself:

I recall a Salvatorean abomination called the Abbey of the St Sollars with its five-pointed star holy symbol. There is also a Salvatoreaningly revolting passage of dialogue at the beginning of H4 The Throne of Bloodstone where St Sollars introduces himself:

"I guess you've figgered out by now that that bad hombre you've been fightin' is Orcus himself, the meanest dude this side of the Pecos," St. Sollars says, taking a deep swallow from his mug. He doesn't explain what, exactly, the Pecos is.



How browned off would Ed Greenwood have been, gracious as he is, when the first introduction that many D&D fans would have had to the Forgotten Realms was this revoltingly un-Realmsian passage of dialogue? And that passage of dialogue gets worse.

I don't recall "St Dionysus" getting much mention in the Bloodstone modules (thankfully) but Dionysus sounds like a name RAS would use for a half-shadow dragon female drow assassin. ;)



#11

sfdragon

Jan 11, 2010 19:39:16
By Helm.....
Sharess would work as well, since she is the goddess of fest halls
#12

LordManshoon

Jan 11, 2010 20:52:56
By Helm.....
Sharess would work as well, since she is the goddess of fest halls

I already suggested her, but great minds think alike.

As for Dionysus, I admit I don't know too much about him (the FR version, not the RW one). I'd be pleased if he and his peers got some face-time in the (preferably near) future. 

#13

Nai_Calus

Jan 11, 2010 21:02:02
Normally I'd suggest a member of the Seldarine here, but mostly with them it's just Erevan Ilesere getting sloshed and getting into trouble and then swearing off wine for the five seconds it takes him to refill his glass.
#14

sfdragon

Jan 11, 2010 21:12:20
BY Every god and his mother, you mean his glass gets empty?
#15

Imruphel

Jan 11, 2010 21:49:39
In 4E parlance, Dionysus, Sollars, and the other "saints" of Ilmater's church may be exarchs.



The atrocious Sollars served Bahamut.

Rather than think of them as exarchs, I would prefer to think of them as never existing. I really hope they're not in the forthcoming Vaasa article that I am really looking forward to.

(snip) As for Dionysus, I admit I don't know too much about him (the FR version, not the RW one). I'd be pleased if he and his peers got some face-time in the (preferably near) future. 



I honestly and sincerely hope that all that atrocious non-Realmsian crap that was foisted upon the Realms at the beginning by careless authors and an even more careless TSR is consigned to a fiery pit of hell. One of the great things about the Spellplague is all this non-Realmsian crap can be utterly expunged.
#16

LordManshoon

Jan 11, 2010 22:44:31
In 4E parlance, Dionysus, Sollars, and the other "saints" of Ilmater's church may be exarchs.



The atrocious Sollars served Bahamut.

Funny, I've only ever seen Sollars mentioned as a servant of Ilmater. Plus, BRJ isn't one to err in his research.

(snip) As for Dionysus, I admit I don't know too much about him (the FR version, not the RW one). I'd be pleased if he and his peers got some face-time in the (preferably near) future. 



I honestly and sincerely hope that all that atrocious non-Realmsian crap that was foisted upon the Realms at the beginning by careless authors and an even more careless TSR is consigned to a fiery pit of hell. One of the great things about the Spellplague is all this non-Realmsian crap can be utterly expunged.

Guys like Dionysus and Sollars are obscure enough that most people wouldn't go digging for background history. Given the time leap, they could easily be implemented without bringing up mention of their original appearances in the Realms, especially if the Exarch hook was used. If BRJ or anyone else had any interesting ideas as to how to use them in 1479 DR, I'd be all ears. I prefer turning lead to silver or gold than discarding the lead altogether, but that's just me.

#17

Nai_Calus

Jan 11, 2010 22:53:54
Personally I prefer using the lead to poison my enemies and then throwing it away.
#18

The_Silversword

Jan 11, 2010 22:54:44
I dont even think the Bloodstone modules were originaly intended to be in the Forgotten Realms. As i understand it once TSR purchased the rights to the Realms from Ed, they just shoehorned it in there. That seems to have happened quite a bit.
#19

LordManshoon

Jan 11, 2010 23:06:55
I dont even think the Bloodstone modules were originaly intended to be in the Forgotten Realms. As i understand it once TSR purchased the rights to the Realms from Ed, they just shoehorned it in there. That seems to have happened quite a bit.

Like with so much of what became the Realms, this is correct. The Bloodstone modules started in 1985 (to my knowledge), two years before the Realms became an official setting. With the release of FR in 1987, the first two modules were retconned into having always taken place in FR, the third module, which was released around the same time as the FR setting, made it official, and they became official lore. Incidentally, I believe Darkwalker on Moonshae, the first Realms novel, also predated the release of the campaign setting, by about a month or so.

EDIT: Poisoning your enemies with lead, Nai? Seems subtle for a pointy-ears. No land-sundering magic storm or wave of butchery? Corellon must be disappointed in your methods.

#20

sfdragon

Jan 13, 2010 21:03:52
+5 lead swords of tom foolerly .....

hhahahaha.
Corellon smites you.
#21

Imruphel

Jan 14, 2010 4:58:21
Point taken, LM, but this is turning lead into gold. I believe the correct expression is "polishing a turd."

As for Sollars serving Bahamut, the passage of text quoted earlier where he sounded like the previous US president (Sollars and he have something in common: they're both faux-Texans!) he then goes on to say that Bahamut is his, um, boss. No, I won't give you a direct quote. It hurt too much to read the first time. I refuse the read that again.

Anyway, if you would like to, um, polish that particular turd, good luck to you.