I actually liked the race at least more so then the raptorans and illumians.
The only thing that did not satisfy me was the general concensus (not official rule, but was widely accepted) to make them worship Grumbar... Their religion, as portrayed in Races of Stone, didn't match very well with any god, contrary to the Raptorans with Akadi and the Illumians with Deneir.
Well, I liked the goliath character in the novel Depths of Madness.
as did I. I thought it introduced goliaths and warlocks nicely
Plus they're ugly.
Plus they're ugly.
Is this comming from the guy that had an Orc as a Avatar?
I wonder what is going on in the Thar in 4E. Still haven't read Swordmage. I could see Goliaths having been part of the ogre kingdom of yore.
well, they have been in the Realms according to the above referenced novel. We shall see
-I seem to recall an online article talking about the hows/whys/wheres of their existence in Faerûn. Maybe one of Eytan's, actually.
I don't recall that. I knw they had a blurb about adapting them into the Realms in races of stone
I don't recall that. I knw they had a blurb about adapting them into the Realms in races of stone
-I don't have that book, but I recall reading something, so...I'd take a look at all of those articles on the WotC website, just to be sure, you know?
Didn't Champions of Good (or however it was called) describe exalted Goliaths as well?
-Yes! That was it! Champions of Valor.
-Yes! That was it! Champions of Valor.
But that was only some suggestions on how to integrate "goles", "raps" and "ills" on Toril. Nothing more.
But that was only some suggestions on how to integrate "goles", "raps" and "ills" on Toril. Nothing more.
-Right. That's all there is, though. And, that's what Merrik is/was looking for.
With over 50 types of Giant races already available in FR (including several canon sub-species of Ogre), I have always felt the Goliaths were redundant and I have never used them, nor plan to.
I wonder if there will be any realms reference in the PHB2
-Do you (or anyone) happen to know the new format of the Core books? Will they have the "In the Forgotten Realms..." and "In Eberron" sidebars? I liked those.
-Do you (or anyone) happen to know the new format of the Core books? Will they have the "In the Forgotten Realms..." and "In Eberron" sidebars? I liked those.
I don't know. I would hope so.
Well not likely for that to happen for some time. Maybe at MMIII and after (when both FR and Eberron are up). Personally I think this kind of thing may be saved for web enhancements.
-I don't think that the Eberron Campaign Setting necessarily has to be out for them to implement stuff like this. I believe Rich Baker has already stated that classes that do not exist currently will be mentioned in the FRCG, in preparation for when they are published.
Anyway the current monster format does often leave a lot of empty space, though I have to say I like my MM as it is.
Well yes but only classes from the very next publication.
-After the Forgotten Realms, Eberron is the next and only other confirmed campaign setting being published, so...It's not as if WotC doesn't foresee the book being published in 2009.
Well yes but only classes from the very next publication.
Anyway the current monster format does often leave a lot of empty space, though I have to say I like my MM as it is.
They may discuss monks who won't be in the PHB2
So, yeah, the fluff was useful, but I'll use it and the stats with a different name and origin.
Anyhow, aren't the giants more elemental now? That was my understanding... so I think they would need to be tweaked a bit to fit 4e.
I don't recall that. I knw they had a blurb about adapting them into the Realms in races of stone
Where might I find this? I went through the whole Goliath section in RoS and couldn't find it - is it in another part of the book? I even checked all the MMs, but no Goliaths... although I did find a weird Stone Giant variant that had a 'in Faerûn' blurb - just what we needed, yet ANOTHER type of giant.
Is this comming from the guy that had an Orc as a Avatar?
Thanks for reminding me - it was about time to change back. :D
And my Avatar is quite 'fetching' compared to those Goliath pics.
I like the write-up for the Goliaths, but I would rather apply them to a race that already existed in FR before that splat book came out, like the Ice Spire Ogres - A bigger, stronger, SMARTER version of the common Ogre, living in the far north (above the Silver Marches, in Hartsvale).
So, yeah, the fluff was useful, but I'll use it and the stats with a different name and origin.
Anyhow, aren't the giants more elemental now? That was my understanding... so I think they would need to be tweaked a bit to fit 4e.
Where might I find this? I went through the whole Goliath section in RoS and couldn't find it - is it in another part of the book? I even checked all the MMs, but no Goliaths... although I did find a weird Stone Giant variant that had a 'in Faerûn' blurb - just what we needed, yet ANOTHER type of giant.
Thanks for reminding me - it was about time to change back. :D
And my Avatar is quite 'fetching' compared to those Goliath pics.
Speaking of witch, I wa looking for a pic of an well groomed orc warrior but all I find are Raging-Foaming-Chest beating orcs and since you (all) spend some time surfing than I do I since my computer at work can't go to most sites on the net I was wordering if you can help me out.....
Where might I find this? I went through the whole Goliath section in RoS and couldn't find it - is it in another part of the book? I even checked all the MMs, but no Goliaths... although I did find a weird Stone Giant variant that had a 'in Faerûn' blurb - just what we needed, yet ANOTHER type of giant.
Actually, I was corrected a few posts up, it was Champions of Valor that did that not Races of Stone. Sorry
Thanks for reminding me - it was about time to change back. :D
And my Avatar is quite 'fetching' compared to those Goliath pics.
-That's much more becoming of you. The other one just wasn't MT.
Speaking of witch, I wa looking for a pic of an well groomed orc warrior but all I find are Raging-Foaming-Chest beating orcs and since you (all) spend some time surfing than I do I since my computer at work can't go to most sites on the net I was wordering if you can help me out.....
-Be careful what you ask for. He finds all kinds of weird pictures...
-That's much more becoming of you. The other one just wasn't MT.
-Be careful what you ask for. He finds all kinds of weird pictures...
I know, I remmember still that naked female orc
;)I know, I remmember still that naked female orc
I know, I remmember still that naked female orc
Yeah. That was hot
Speaking of witch, I wa looking for a pic of an well groomed orc warrior.....
Here is a pic entitled 'Orc Paladin', but it could be used to define a civilized Orc Fighter -
Paladin of... Gruumsh?
This one is really good, but it's B&W -
Orc Fighter
Here's one with a little 'Celtic' Flavor -
Highlander Orc
And a 'Ranger-Type' with an Amerind feel -
Orc Huntress
And here is one I really like for an Orc scout - the pipe is a nice touch -
Orc Scout
How about an Orc as Conan (the hero!)
This One I'm including because it shows an Orc in a tavern, and it's just SUCH A COOL PAINTING!
Orc at an Arm-Wrestling contest
And something you don't see everyday
And just for LK, an 'Orc Princess' :D
A Vision of Lovliness
Except for some crappy WoW screenshots in Ogrimmar, I really couldn't find the perfect 'Armored Orc Fighter' in color.
And just for LK, an 'Orc Princess' :D
-Gee, thanks...
-Gee, thanks...
Now you can't say I never gave ya' nuthin' :P
Now you can't say I never gave ya' nuthin' :P
-Oh, I know something you never gave me...
-Oh, I know something you never gave me...
I can't these are family friendly boards
I can't these are family friendly boards
-The average American family is pretty messed up anyway, what, with the 2.5 kids, and the 51% divorce rate, and the no morals and all of that...:whatsthis
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I don't think this creature has any place being in the Realms!
On Topic
I don't think this creature has any place being in the Realms![/img]
-What is it?
I guess you never watched educational church-sponsored television while gro... Nevermind. :embarrass
Thats Davey & Goliath!
I guess you never watched educational church-sponsored television while gro... Nevermind. :embarrass
-MmmHmm...No, no I did not.
I did incorporate lot of new races to the realms, like changelings and shifters, and some from dragon magazines (few undead, fey, one plant, one construct), tough Illumians, Elan and Spellscales aren't a separate race
Changelings are a natural fit (the Unseen).
But I draw the line at Warforged. Don't get me wrong, I actually like them, but they belong in Eberron. If a player of mine wanted to run one in FR I wouldn't mind, and can think of at least four decent backstories off the top of my head... but I don't want a whole nation of them plopping down in the middle of Faerûn.
Like certain other setting's races did.
And to keep this on topic: this thread made me re-read the Goliath stuff in RoS, and it's really good... but I just think we already have enough 'Big' types in FR already, so if I used them, I would make them something else, like a Stone-Giant off-shoot.
Thats Davey & Goliath!
I guess you never watched educational church-sponsored television while gro... Nevermind. :embarrass
-I did. :P On channel 5 on Sunday Mornings of course. ;) I guess thats why I am as sick and twisted as I am. :embarrass
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Shifters I like - they feel like they 'belong' in the Realms.
-Why do you say that? Mind you, I'm not even 100% sure what they are. They're basically lycanthropes, right?
-Why do you say that? Mind you, I'm not even 100% sure what they are. They're basically lycanthropes, right?
sort of. Shifters like the warforged are eberron creations and should stay there. They help make that world unique
sort of. Shifters like the warforged are eberron creations and should stay there. They help make that world unique
I use to agree, and most likely will with some things. But for me both Warforged and Shifters can exist in any world, even in Forgotten Realms. They could easily be from Abeir, be warped from the Spellplague, be created in the past 100 years or have been from a fringe society that has managed to stay isolated until now.
For me Kalashtar are a race that I don't foresee myself migrating to other settings. Shifters and Warforged, not so much.
I just think they are a good fit for the Realms - especially the Realms of 1479 - because they would make an interesting group of Selune-worshippers. The Warforged are too 'Steampunk' to fit well, but thFR has plenty of room for a furry, intelligent race that lives in remote regions.
I guess when I think of the Realms, I think of it as a much more 'primal' world then ours, and this sort of 'wild child' just seems like it would go well in some of the older forests of the North.
Now that I think about it... I can think of a few southern and eastern forests that would also work nicely...
Shifters are the eventual evolution of true Lycanthropes - the ones born with it. They have become a seperate race, and do not carry the disease (IIRC). They are closer to Lythari in some ways - they are more feral, and are closer to nature.
-Alright...Why does a separate race exist, if they're mostly Lycanthropes, then? That's what I'm getting at.
-Alright...Why does a separate race exist, if they're mostly Lycanthropes, then? That's what I'm getting at.
they are a lycan version of planetouched. they have a lil lycan trace in their blood....
they are a lycan version of planetouched. they have a lil lycan trace in their blood....
-Mmm...Okay. Sounds a little...blah to me, but I don't know the "whole story", so.
-Mmm...Okay. Sounds a little...blah to me, but I don't know the "whole story", so.
Copper Elves sound very blah to me. is like: So we have the generic elves, the "i'm better than you cuz i'm smarter" elves, we have the "savage" elves, we have the evil elves and ....who are you again? I LOVE them mechanically (+2 STR AND +2 DEX!!!) but otherwise meh....
-Alright...Why does a separate race exist, if they're mostly Lycanthropes, then? That's what I'm getting at.
Good question? They were developed using 3rd edition where lycanthropes spread their disease and didn't breed true. However they weren't published until 3.5 and so their distinction became significantly less (although unlike lycanthropes they can be any alignment). The canon reasoning in Eberron is that lycanthropes WERE contagious, but aren't now. Whereas Shifters were never contagious.
Personally I'd be inclined to run shifters as a societal group (like the difference between High Elves and Wild Elves) in a non-Eberron campaign.
Copper Elves sound very blah to me. is like: So we have the generic elves, the "i'm better than you cuz i'm smarter" elves, we have the "savage" elves, we have the evil elves and ....who are you again? I LOVE them mechanically (+2 STR AND +2 DEX!!!) but otherwise meh....
-You had to get me started, didn't you?
-There are no such things as "Copper" Elves. This is a problematic retcon in RoF. Elves do not evolve, nor does interbreeding amonst other Elven subraces create a new subrace. For example, Sharlario Moonflower was the only Moon Elf among the survivors of Tintageer. He bred amonst Sun Elves, and yet, his children became Moon Elves, not some kind of Moon-Sun Elf hybrids. So, to say that Wood Elves are Sun-Moon-"Wild" Elf hybrids is impossible.
-"Wild" Elves and Wood Elves are the same thing. Would you consider an aboriginal indian living in the Amazon a different species from you? No, they aren't. Thus, societal factors- such as being savage or not- is no indicator of race/liniage.
-And, not I'm done...
Good question? They were developed using 3rd edition where lycanthropes spread their disease and didn't breed true. However they weren't published until 3.5 and so their distinction became significantly less (although unlike lycanthropes they can be any alignment). The canon reasoning in Eberron is that lycanthropes WERE contagious, but aren't now. Whereas Shifters were never contagious.
-Eh, if those are the major differences, I don't really think they deserve their own race. In my opinion, it'd make more sense just to say "X lycanthropes in Y setting are/aren't contagious".
-Eh, if those are the major differences, I don't really think they deserve their own race. In my opinion, it'd make more sense just to say "X lycanthropes in Y setting are/aren't contagious".
Agreed. Although a lot of speculation has it that the PHB2 will have shifters. Personally, unless they come up with a better story for them in the PHB2, I'll use them as simply a lycanthrope race (whether they appear in the PHB2 or the Player's Guide to Eberron) outside of my Eberron campaigns.
-You had to get me started, didn't you?
Yes.
-There are no such things as "Copper" Elves. This is a problematic retcon in RoF. Elves do not evolve, nor does interbreeding amonst other Elven subraces create a new subrace. For example, Sharlario Moonflower was the only Moon Elf among the survivors of Tintageer. He bred amonst Sun Elves, and yet, his children became Moon Elves, not some kind of Moon-Sun Elf hybrids. So, to say that Wood Elves are Sun-Moon-"Wild" Elf hybrids is impossible.
However we don't have 753 lycan related races unlike elves in FR. were the "copper elves"(It doesn't matter if is a recton or not the bottom line is that they ARE there) is redundant with wild elves (for the reason you name above), the lycan is a desent race (as in non-redundant) with no LA with a good posible background they can do great in FR.
-"Wild" Elves and Wood Elves are the same thing. Would you consider an aboriginal indian living in the Amazon a different species from you? No, they aren't. Thus, societal factors- such as being savage or not- is no indicator of race/liniage.
I don't know bout that My coworker from Guatelmala is pretty much 100% mayan and she is like a dwarf or a really short Earth genasi
-And, not I'm done...
ok....
-Eh, if those are the major differences, I don't really think they deserve their own race. In my opinion, it'd make more sense just to say "X lycanthropes in Y setting are/aren't contagious".
well is not like they can acually changeshape fist of all there no "wolf shifter" or "bear shifter" there's only one kinda shifters.
secon they have a few abilities that you choose at 1st LV like growing long claws or fangs....hmm I just realized they are a bunch of Victor Creeds :D well there you have it the a a bunch on Neutral Sabrethoths
Now this is starting to sound like my crazy theory about the third copper set of the Nether scrolls, lost in time.
Maybe Eladrin are really Platinum Elves. :P
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I was thinking about creating a group of NPC Goliath Bards... just so I can say they are "bringing back Big-band music".
Shifters I like - they feel like they 'belong' in the Realms.
Changelings are a natural fit (the Unseen).
But I draw the line at Warforged. Don't get me wrong, I actually like them, but they belong in Eberron. If a player of mine wanted to run one in FR I wouldn't mind, and can think of at least four decent backstories off the top of my head... but I don't want a whole nation of them plopping down in the middle of Faerûn.
I don't have warforged, but golmoids (Dragon 317), they're from Lantan, and are mostly restricted there
However we don't have 753 lycan related races unlike elves in FR.
-There are nine Elven subraces: Sun, Moon, Star, "Wild", Wood, Avariel, Lythari, Drow, Aquatic.
I don't know bout that My coworker from Guatelmala is pretty much 100% mayan and she is like a dwarf or a really short Earth genasi
-People from other places may be silly looking, and smelly, and hairy, and talk funny, but they are still people too. :P
-But, again, I don't know enough about the race, the Shifters, so everything I say should be taken with an asterisk.
well is not like they can acually changeshape fist of all there no "wolf shifter" or "bear shifter" there's only one kinda shifters.
Huh, I thought they could. Woops.
The child of an elf and a dwarf is...a dwarf! Not a joke! Not a dream! And NOT a half elf.
-The child of an Elf and a Dwarf is a Dwelf. Brennon was, last I checked, on a mission of genocide concerning the mongrel race.
where can one find lore on dwelves?
According to Candlekeep:
* Dwarves Deep (AD&D 2nd Ed source book)
* Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves
* Mintiper's Chapbook - Part 5: Myth Glaurach
-There are nine Elven subraces: Sun, Moon, Star, "Wild", Wood, Avariel, Lythari, Drow, Aquatic.
Meh, close enough.....
-People from other places may be silly looking, and smelly, and hairy, and talk funny, but they are still people too. :P
She's short (4'10") and just build and she doesn't even work out, she runs slow but he can run forever... she's pretty and she lack the beard but other than that, she's a dwarf :D
-But, again, I don't know enough about the race, the Shifters, so everything I say should be taken with an asterisk.
that's cool, I was just saying that they could fit somewhere like the Endless Wastes or The Great Wild Woods, I rather use then than Wemics ...
where can one find lore on dwelves?
-In places that ought never be looked in...
that's cool, I was just saying that they could fit somewhere like the Endless Wastes or The Great Wild Woods, I rather use then than Wemics ...
-I like Wemics. They're interesting. Especially in the context of Ka'Narlist.
-In places that ought never be looked in...
amen, brother
-In places that ought never be looked in...
-I like Wemics. They're interesting. Especially in the context of Ka'Narlist.
I think I don't like them mechanicaly-wise I just see them like Furry Centaurs....
I think I don't like them mechanicaly-wise I just see them like Furry Centaurs....
-Well, that's more or less what they are. The concept, coupled along with Nobanion, the Shaar, and KaNarlist, there's a lot of potential there.
-Well, that's more or less what they are. The concept, coupled along with Nobanion, the Shaar, and KaNarlist, there's a lot of potential there.
I know this is going to sound Blasphemous to you (and I have no plans of do it)but, you think it'll be too hard to replace Wemics with Shifters you know just mechanicaly-wise forgeting about the lycan heritage in Eberron?
-Maybe. I don't know. Remember- I don't even know what a Shifter looks like.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/roe_gallery/88209.jpg
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/roe_gallery/88207.jpg
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/roe_gallery/88255.jpg
-Now I know what they look like. Don't look very Lycanthropic, though. They seem more misanthropic than Lycanthropic.
they are more wolverine-y than anything else, but they do get more animalistic when they shift
they are more wolverine-y than anything else, but they do get more animalistic when they shift
-That's what I figured.
-On a side-note (heh, actually it's the main point!), I saw a picture of a Goliath, and they look somewhat cool.
-That's what I figured.
-On a side-note (heh, actually it's the main point!), I saw a picture of a Goliath, and they look somewhat cool.
There was one in Depths of Madness and I hope I see more of him and Twilight.
There was one in Depths of Madness and I hope I see more of him and Twilight.
me too very much so
-Nobanion
-Speaking of Nobanion, how is GothicDan doing?
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-Speaking of Nobanion, how is GothicDan doing?
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-He isn't coping well with the change to Nobanion.
-Now I know what they look like. Don't look very Lycanthropic, though. They seem more misanthropic than Lycanthropic.
Actually, that second pic is sorta how I picture Lythari to look - especially the one to the right.
I'm thinking in this new, crazy '4e world'. Lythari might become FR's Shifters. It would be easy enough - use the shifter crunch and just take the FR name (and fluff) for them in FR.
I know that probaly rubs you the wrong way, but it would make perfect sense - only the rules have to match, the fluff and local names don't.
And shifters are NOT Lycanthropes - they have no 'disease' they can pass on - they are their own race, which should suit you much better then 4e rolling Lythari into were-creatures (which would be awful).
I'm thinking in this new, crazy '4e world'. Lythari might become FR's Shifters. It would be easy enough - use the shifter crunch and just take the FR name (and fluff) for them in FR.
I know that probaly rubs you the wrong way, but it would make perfect sense - only the rules have to match, the fluff and local names don't.
-Makes sense. Non-Lycanthropic shape-shifters.
-Makes sense. Non-Lycanthropic shape-shifters.
-So...was this WotC's way of putting shifters in the Realms in 3rd Edition.
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-So...was this WotC's way of putting shifters in the Realms in 3rd Edition.
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-Lythari? Lythari have always been here.
-Lythari? Lythari have always been here.
are they in 4e?
I hope so. I loved Frostfell and the idea of lythari. Maybe I'll ask Rich if they will be in FRPG
are they in 4e?
I hope so. I loved Frostfell and the idea of lythari. Maybe I'll ask Rich if they will be in FRPG
-Regardless if they are mentioned, or receive stats, they will still continue to exist.
-Regardless if they are mentioned, or receive stats, they will still continue to exist.
I don't know bout that one....
-Unless they are specifically killed. But, if they simply aren't mentioned, that means they're still there. Like the Seelie Court in 3e.
True, but I would like to see some support
I don't know bout that one....
He's correct - the OFFICIAL rule is that if something ISN'T mentioned, it still exists.
These days, we have to worry about weather something exists if it IS mentioned. ;)
And since this has turned into a "What else is going to get dumped on the Realms" thread, I was thinking about the Warforged. RB has said they aren't going to be in the Realms, but he's not exactly 100% in the FR loop, and has been wrong before.
I was thinking that the Eberron campaign started after a hundred years of misery (war) and wound up with the Mournlands and Warforged as a result of that. Since we already have the Mournland (Changing Lands) and Dragonmarks (Spellscars), why wouldn't we be getting the Warforged? After all, someone could have created them as 'living weapons' during that century of strife.
And then I was thinking, if a Warforged got Lycanthropy, would he become a Transfomer?
I think there's "more then meets the eye" here. ;)
True, but I would like to see some support
-Yeah, there's a lot of things I'd like to see...
He's correct - the OFFICIAL rule is that if something ISN'T mentioned, it still exists.
-Of course I'm right.
And then I was thinking, if a Warforged got Lycanthropy, would he become a Transfomer?
-I was making up a facetious example for somebody about mixing in the "cool" elements of a setting, and I mentioned Warforged Swordmages, but originally, I was actually thinking about Lycanthropic Warforged.
Then again, the closest canon thing we have in the Realms - the Bloodforged - can turn into buildings (as per the video game), so who knows what else they can do? ;)
Then again, the closest canon thing we have in the Realms - the Bloodforged - can turn into buildings (as per the video game), so who knows what else they can do? ;)
-As long as they can't turn into planets that eat other planets, I'm good.
-As long as they can't turn into planets that eat other planets, I'm good.
Do you have issues against Unicron?
Do you have issues against Unicron?
-Eating Abeir-Toril, yes.
-Eating Abeir-Toril, yes.
I don't mind it eating The "Abeir" part ;)
I NEVER watched Transformers (I still haven't seen the movie, either), and I finally caught an episode the other day.
I was mad at my eyeballs the rest of the day.
What shlock - Spongbob is more well thought-out.
These 'Omicron' thingies sound even worse.
You want cool Robots, read Asimov - R. Daneel Olivaw FTW!
Uhg.
I NEVER watched Transformers (I still haven't seen the movie, either), and I finally caught an episode the other day.
I was mad at my eyeballs the rest of the day.
What shlock - Spongbob is more well thought-out.
These 'Omicron' thingies sound even worse.
You want cool Robots, read Asimov - R. Daneel Olivaw FTW!
Whoa whoa Don't mess with Prime! He's my childhood Hero (no joke)-MT just made a lot of enemies, methinks. :P
as in 50ft. tall lazer shooting robots that transform in Cars/plane/tanks/asault choppers/pumas/cities/ Even bigger Robots/*cough*microscopes /*cough*cameras*cough*/planet eating moons?
The cartoon I watched called the leader 'boss bot'.
Is the series Transformers Animated the same as the original?
Becasue thats what I saw, and it was gawd-awful.
Whats a 'Prime'?
-Any of THESE is a 'prime'.
Okay... now the series seems even more boring then I originally thought. :P
So he's NOT a robot, he's an Integer?
-Well, he is a robot, so his 'soul' is composed of a series of zeros and ones.
Where are the little girl's parents? Did those robots steal her? Is she an orphan, and if so, how did they get custody?
Why is it right that they drag a small child into danger?
Also, It seems to me that they wind-up destroying half the city whenever they try to help.
You guys still haven't answered the question - is that new series supposedly part of the same continuity as the original?
As far as I know, no series share continuity I like the first one though......
Also, It seems to me that they wind-up destroying half the city whenever they try to help.
Tell that to the Gray Hand enforcers of Waterdeep
or The Avengers OR JLA Or The X-Men Or The Thunderbolts Or...ok I'm done :PThough I like the idea of a lycanthropic warforged as one. :D
Though I like the idea of a lycanthropic warforged as one. :D
-There was an episode of Futurama where Bender Rodriguez (the robot) is "bitten" by a Werecar and becomes afflicted with Lycanthropy.
Never cared for that series...
-Well, I would say that you have no taste, then, but we already knew this. :P ;)
-Futurama is good. It's fresher than the Simpsons, it has more..."inside" jokes, and I'd put it on par with South Park, as far as being humorous in addressing actual, relevant issues. For example:
"We don't know anything about their race, history, or culture, but one thing's for sure. They stand for everything we stand against."
As to my sense of taste, well, certainly likely it differs from yours, but I count that as a good thing given your bizarre love of the Beatles and MASH. :P ;)
As to my sense of taste, well, certainly likely it differs from yours, but I count that as a good thing given your bizarre love of the Beatles and MASH. :P ;)
-Good point. What do you like? Goliaths in the New Realms?
-Maybe you'll like this quote, from the same character: "The quickest way to a girl's bed is through her parents. Have sex with them and you're in."
As to what I like in the New Realms... Swordmages sound interesting... I love the fact that it'll be saving me a lot of money, letting me pay off my new 8gb Zen X-Fi a lot faster... umm... Dragonborn sound sort of interesting in a vague sort of Saurial-with-breath-weapon sort of way... yes.
As to what I like in the New Realms... Swordmages sound interesting... I love the fact that it'll be saving me a lot of money, letting me pay off my new 8gb Zen X-Fi a lot faster... umm... Dragonborn sound sort of interesting in a vague sort of Saurial-with-breath-weapon sort of way... yes.
swordmages yes, dragonborn no
-Do Dragonborn have breath weapons? I guess I should ask that in the Dragonborn thread.
yes
Sorry, maybe its context, but I don't find that too funny... depressing, sure, but not funny.
As to my sense of taste, well, certainly likely it differs from yours, but I count that as a good thing given your bizarre love of the Beatles and MASH. :P ;)
I love the Beatles and dislike the Transformers, and I used to like MASH but toward the end it went *meh* on me.
You should give Futurama a chance Stig - not as politically provocative as SouthPark, but still lightyears ahead of the Simpsons (which I never, EVER watch).
The Professor:" Why did he have to go and join a a cult? Why couldn't he join a mainstream religion... like Voodoo or Oprahism?"
You just gotta love the old coot's one-liners. :D
Their culture is cool, and thats why I'd apply it something else that looks cool, like the Icespire Ogres, or perhaps even an ancient society of Ogre-magi in K-T.
Maybe if they made them look more like this guy -
They are badly-drawn, lumpy men.
-Yeah. I envisioned them in my faulty mind's eye to be more..."elemental earth giant" looking in appearance, rather than giantish and lumpy.
Their culture is cool, and thats why I'd apply it something else that looks cool, like the Icespire Ogres, or perhaps even an ancient society of Ogre-magi in K-T.
-Ogre-Magi are apparently known as 'Oni' all over now.
There is even some lore in that regard - superior (Tiefling) Ogres are called Wang-Liang (from the 2e MC). One of the few regions I have actually worked on thus far is the Chukei Plateau, where an ancient Ogre Kingdom used to exist (non-canon), and I had placed the Ogre-Magi as originating from there.
Just one more thing 4e F-uped that I have to go back and change now.
Oni also had three sub-races, but I guess now they don't.
Maybe if they made them look more like this guy -
-This. This is more of how I envisioned them. Like Goron, from Legend of Zelda.
Are people really upset about this? Ogre mages are not native to Faerun and migrated there from the northern reaches of Kara-tur so they have always been oni. I am pretty sure that is canon already.
-And, it's also canon that they're known as 'Ogre-Magi', not 'Oni'.
They should just let Lockwood do everything - a lot of their current 'talent' pool is worse then the amateurs I see on DeviantArt.
Give me DiTerlizzi over Lockwood any day...
-I wouldn't want ALL of D&D to have that Planescape feeling. It'd subtract from Planescape!
-I'm all in favor of the different campaign settings having different art styles and such. Todd Lockwood, I have no problems with, for doing Forgotten Realm art.
Of course, now that I know he's the guy behind Spiderwick, there's no way he'll ever go 'slumming' again and do game illustrations.
Lockwood, to me, captures the 'FR feel', and thats why I like his style to represnt the Realms. As much as I love DiTerlizzi, his style fits the 'other-worldy' much better.
Wayne Reynold's work on Eberron is pretty much one of the best things on that setting as well. FR really needs a distinctive art style, it has largely lacked an artistic identity in 3E which can contibute a lot to the mood of a setting. Not that I would like a couple of red sonja wannabes on every book like in 2E . . .
-Being as that the Forgotten Realms (along with Greyhawk and Dragonlance) are "stereotypical" fantasy, I don't think there really should be a "unique", "identifiable" art style to go with it. I'd want the same artists for all of the illustrations, but, like I said, I'd have no problem with Lockwood. I like his style, and generally, the art he produces.
Wayne Reynold's work on Eberron is pretty much one of the best things on that setting as well. FR really needs a distinctive art style, it has largely lacked an artistic identity in 3E which can contibute a lot to the mood of a setting. Not that I would like a couple of red sonja wannabes on every book like in 2E . . .
The one thing about FR unlike Eberron is there are several to many different moods.
If we could get DiTerlizzi to do the Feywild stuff, that would be like a dream come true.
Of course, now that I know he's the guy behind Spiderwick, there's no way he'll ever go 'slumming' again and do game illustrations.
Lockwood, to me, captures the 'FR feel', and thats why I like his style to represnt the Realms. As much as I love DiTerlizzi, his style fits the 'other-worldy' much better.
You didn't know he was behind Spiderwick? My wife loves those books, so couldn't avoid knowing that I guess... think her head nearly exploded when she found out about the movie being made.
Geeze... why does that last part sound SO wrong?
But the others in RoS are utter crap - except for the evil versions, the Garguns.
Thats pretty cool - there is one I like from the original book -
But the others in RoS are utter crap - except for the evil versions, the Garguns.
I like goliaths but I agree the art in the book as a whole was subpar
LOL - you quoted me before I 'fine-tuned' the pics.
You know When you 'fine-tune' (whatever tha is) I can't see them in my computer....
Maybe it's a security setting - I made them smaller and took out the backgrounds, is all, and then re-posted them on Photobucket (which I'm assuming is okay with WotC, since you can view them here for free).
yeah there is a security setting in my computer Just because we deal with Top Secret stuff.......
As to the Goliaths, first pic is much more what I have in mind when I think of them.
I liked di Bie's interpertation of the goliath in Depths
-Faerûnian Goliaths. Everything in Faerûn is just better.
Pity we don't have artificers yet, officially anyway...
there are no artificers in Faerun
-An interesting class, if I remember correctly, too. At least, if not the mechanics, the idea behind it. Using technology and stuff, they are able to mimic the effects of spells.
As to Gnome Artificers, they weren't really that great, unless you used a few of the modifications KtM suggested for them and their creations. Speaking of which, I wonder where I put those notes I had on them... haven't seen those in a while.
Yes, I'm aware there are no Artificers in Faerun, officially anyway, though I hope we start seeing some. They're an interesting class I think... kinda like the combat engineer of roleplaying.
As to Gnome Artificers, they weren't really that great, unless you used a few of the modifications KtM suggested for them and their creations. Speaking of which, I wonder where I put those notes I had on them... haven't seen those in a while.
Or KtM for that matter.
And Evokers Are the Combat engineers or roleplaying. ask any Combat Engineer what they do for a living and they'll give you just one universal answer...BLOW SH*T UP!!! :PBut they do it very precisely, as opposed to the artillery barrage that is an evoker. :P
I would like to see Artificers in the realms as long is something Gond-ish/Ogma-ish. Much like Druids with meilikki and Silvanus....
-Gnome Artificers. Magic of Faerûn. ;)
-An interesting class, if I remember correctly, too. At least, if not the mechanics, the idea behind it. Using technology and stuff, they are able to mimic the effects of spells.
those are acceptable
-The first one is good. I like that one. The second one, though? No.
The second one is a Gargun - an evil Goliath.
You remember, from back in the day when EVERYTHING needed symetry? :P
Can't have a race without it's 'evil opposite', can we? ;)
The second one is a Gargun - an evil Goliath.
-Okay. It's still a Goliath, though, right? Or is it something completely else?
Don't recall one for humans... other than themselves anyway.
-We're our own worst enemy.
AU had a very cool underdark dwelling evil human subrace
Not in Tolkien (Elves and Orcs were), but in FR/D&D we have the Drow as Elves 'evil opposite', so that leaves Orcs up for grabs.
Think about it - Orcs are, for all intense and purposes, primitive barbarian humans. perhaps early humans didn't have tusks, but they did have more pronounced canine teeth, so Orcs are what Neanderthal would have looked like had he survived.
Besides, we also have Shades now, because not only does everything have to have an opposite, but in 4e it also has to have a 'Shadow Version'.
-That said, the Orcs' opposites...That'd be the Ondonti, but only in philosophy, not history/anatomy/physiology/etc.
And whoever wrote-up the Neanderthals in Frostburn was an idiot.
The things in that source are clearly WoW troggs.
And whoever wrote-up the Neanderthals in Frostburn was an idiot.
The things in that source are clearly WoW trogs.
-What's wrong with it?
If you are going to create a purely 'fantasy' race, then you should at least give it a different name then a real-world creature!
They have the same exact thing in WoW, but the guys at Blizzard were smart enough to not disagree with science by calling them Neanderthals!
Neaderthals were small, hairy, near-men.
Neaderthals were small, hairy, near-men.
Height is generally a luxury of good nutrition and good health. Had they either, they wouldn't be an evolutionary dead-end.
-This is D&D we're talking about here. :P
You don't believe a small moon can slam into a planet and have no effect what-so-ever?
While enjoying FR, check your logic circuits at the door. ;)
Height is generally a luxury of good nutrition and good health. Had they either, they wouldn't be an evolutionary dead-end.
Right. When I said small I meant comparable to humans from the same time period. They were only slightly larger which I'm quite surprised about.
Else, how would you explain the small, hairy Welsh? :P
I should go back and visit them... they probably think I died...
Totally missing the Goliath Greathammer and Mammoth Leather
Mammoth Leather what?
Picture on p. 156
text on p. 157
stats on p. 158
Races of Stone
I should go back and visit them... they probably think I died...
-You did. You were reborn. Your old life is exactly that: your old life. This is your home now...