Gypsies in the realms?

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#1

mobutu

Sep 02, 2008 19:05:31
Just curious if there is any "canon" mention of Gypsies in the realms. I'm playing a Gypsy type character, curious if there is any source background info I can use for story fodder.
#2

markustay63

Sep 02, 2008 20:22:53
The closest you are going to find in the Realms are the Raumathari people still living in the area around the Lake of Mists.

Nothing canon about them 'wandering', but at least the culture is pretty close.
#3

BadCatMan

Sep 02, 2008 20:58:41
There's the Gurs, a wandering people of the Western Heartlands, formerly of Rashemen. "Most Gurs are members of extended family groups that travel together from settlement to settlement in motley caravans selling cheap cast-offs and working odd jobs. Others have settled in the poorest quarters of cities such as Baldur’s Gate, Elturel, and Irieabor, where they struggle to survive in the face of ancient prejudices." They have a short bit in Races Of Faerun.
#4

mobutu

Sep 02, 2008 21:38:29
Thanks!
#5

lord_karsus

Sep 03, 2008 0:00:55
-Ravenloft has interacted with the setting before, so it wouldn't be much of a "leap of faith" to say that there may be Vistani in the Realms.

-Ugh...I can't remember what culture/area they are from, either, but there are a specific groups of Savras worshipers who seemed very Gypsy to me.

-I believe they like to refer to themselves as 'Romani', however, as 'Gypsy' is seen as a negative term.
#6

naex

Sep 03, 2008 0:55:16
I was wondering something similar. What about traveling shows (circuses) an early Greyhawk Pick-a-Path had one, and I wondered if anyone ever started one in Faerun. I think a Ravenloft novel featured one as well (based on a boat IIRC).
#7

marius4

Sep 03, 2008 1:12:20
Speaking of Ravenloft, if you want that feel for your character you might drop some gypsies in the countryside of Erlkazar. Small pastoral villages filled with farmers and peasants...who don't go out at night. FRCG 126.

Another non-canon alternative, but you're only one word (gypsy) away from canon! May as well pick a place that fits your concept and then add a band of gypsies. Unless they're present in huge numbers, it's not like they'd be marked on a map or in population statistics, right? Good luck with your character!
#8

quale_

Sep 03, 2008 6:16:38
I like Gurs, Varisians of Golarion are interesting too, so I combined them
#9

mobutu

Sep 03, 2008 12:06:35
Yeah we just kind of ret-conned them in, I mean you'd have something like the Romani (gypsies, carnies, whatever ;)) on almost any trade or caravan routes.

Was just curious if there was any real mention of them in any of the source books or novels, would give me some extra info to go on.
#10

angelus_obscura

Sep 03, 2008 12:33:35
I never liked using the term "gypsie" in a D&D related setting, so I'd always name them Rovers.
#11

mobutu

Sep 03, 2008 12:47:49
I never liked using the term "gypsie" in a D&D related setting, so I'd always name them Rovers.

Our table is calling them Pikeys, as the character I'm playing I'm pretty much talking like Mickey from Snatch, and even named myself "Pikey" -- Piekev Moqtada (an actual Romani last name, spelled a bit differently, didn't make the Moqtada Al Sadr connection lol) -- aka "Pikey"
#12

GreenKnight

Sep 03, 2008 12:49:19
I friggin' hate Pikeys!

(Just saw Snatch the other day ;))
#13

lord_karsus

Sep 03, 2008 12:51:56
Our table is calling them Pikeys...

-Geeze, that sounds even worse! :P
#14

mobutu

Sep 03, 2008 13:04:54
-Geeze, that sounds even worse! :P

I've never been fond of Political Correctness, and especially not at the D&D table.

I'm 1/8th Polish and have no issue with pollack jokes. I have Jewish friends who consistently make jokes about jewish stereotypes.

I don't have any real racist tendencies, but have no problem role playing as though I do. My Avariel character is a complete arse to anyone who can't fly. And Pikey became an adventurer to get away from his thieving, con-man, flim-flam artist of a father and his 7 brigand brothers.

My own campaign world features governments who treat women as nothing more than property, human supremacists, and orcs who **** and pillage. Fantasy worlds generally do not adhere to our current societal norms, and then only if you think of the US and Europe as the norms - which, by statistics, they are not. Probably 60% of the world's population lives in a culture which oppresses women, minorities, or lifestyles in some fashion.

Sorry for derailing my own thread ;)
#15

lord_karsus

Sep 03, 2008 13:20:06
I'm 1/8th Polish and have no issue with pollack jokes. I have Jewish friends who consistently make jokes about jewish stereotypes.

-I'm not Polish at all, but I still use, and have no issue with the Polish jokes. I am Jewish, though, and our natural self-defense is self-depreciating humor.

-I was just joking with you, though. I was just saying how 'Pikey' sounds a lot worse than 'Gypsy'.
#16

mobutu

Sep 03, 2008 13:32:15
-I'm not Polish at all, but I still use, and have no issue with the Polish jokes. I am Jewish, though, and our natural self-defense is self-depreciating humor.

-I was just joking with you, though. I was just saying how 'Pikey' sounds a lot worse than 'Gypsy'.

Oh, I know, was just responding with my thoughts in general, didn't really think anyone had gotten their feathers ruffled. (Geez! What, are you prejudiced against birds now too??? ;))
#17

BadCatMan

Sep 03, 2008 20:47:59
Halfings also gained a bit of caravan-culture in 3e. In the Realms, I think this was mainly seen in Neverwinter Nights: Shadows Of Undrentide.

Back to the Gurs, here's some more:

Races Of Faerun

The Gurs, also known as “Selûne’s Children” or “the people of the highway,” are the nomads of the Western Heartlands. Most Gurs are members of extended family groups that travel together from settlement to settlement in motley caravans selling cheap cast-offs and working odd jobs. Others have settled in the poorest quarters of cities such as Baldur’s Gate, Elturel, and Irieabor, where they struggle to survive in the face of ancient prejudices. Among those few scholars who have studied their culture, the Gurs are thought to be primarily of Rashemi descent. Although they have certainly intermingled with members of other ethnic groups, they strongly resemble the natives of Rashemen. As fragments of lore dating back to the erection of the Standing Stone refer to the nomadic Gurs, it is thought that they fled their ancient homeland during or immediately after the cataclysmic battle between Raumathar and Narfell.

Speakers of an ancient dialect of Rashemi among themselves, the honor-obsessed Gurs employ the Thorass alphabet and speak Chondathan with non-Gurs. Many of Selûne’s Children are unusually gifted oracles and find employment as soothsayers and diviners. In addition to the goddess of the moon, many prophetically inclined Gurs venerate Savras. Their secretive faith may in large part account for the continued survival of his faith during his many years of imprisonment.
#18

lord_karsus

Sep 05, 2008 22:44:14
Oh, I know, was just responding with my thoughts in general, didn't really think anyone had gotten their feathers ruffled. (Geez! What, are you prejudiced against birds now too??? ;))

-Great, you're prejudiced against birds, too...When will the hate end!?
#19

Another_Gnome

Sep 06, 2008 12:09:55
Where do people tell Polish jokes anyway? First I ever heard there are those.
#20

lord_karsus

Sep 06, 2008 12:29:59
Where do people tell Polish jokes anyway?

-In Poland!
#21

BadCatMan

Sep 06, 2008 23:11:42
I'll check some other sources later.

The only other Gur-related piece of info I could find was a character, Therin, in the novel King Pinch. He has a short piece in the Heroes Lorebook. Says it: "He is a swarthy Gur (a gypsylike people)..." The novel may have a little bit more information on them.
#22

the_shaman

Sep 07, 2008 5:52:42
I always thought the Moon Elves were a bit like gypsies when they were on the road, btw.
#23

lord_karsus

Sep 08, 2008 10:08:25
-They are more nomadic than Sun Elves, sure, but I don't really see Gypsie culture, or anything like that. Have you seen Lord of the Rings? The procession in which the Elves are passing west, to board the boats to the Gray Havens? This is very much how I see Moon Elf travel caravans. Didn't seem very Gypsie to me.