Sorry if I lumped too many ideas into one thread.
-His soul was fragmented, so in order for him to be a vestige like thing, he'd have to be "reassembled", to a degree.
Well, an entity doesn't have to be complete to become a vestige. Having Hallaster's vestige being a tattered shred of his greater consciousness has merit.
If my memory serves me correctly, the result of Halaster's demise was that his soul/conscoisness was disjoined and scattered across Faerun. Is there any further mention anywhere of him such as what the spellplague did to these scatterings, etc. Any hypothesies? For instance, will he be a future souce of power for warlocks? Will all the wiped out powers be used to reintroduce vestiges in 4th edition fr?
Sorry if I lumped too many ideas into one thread.
If Halaster is fragmented and spread out anywhere, it is within Undermountain itself. The wild magic that runs through it since his death gives some backing to this.
-His soul was fragmented, so in order for him to be a vestige like thing, he'd have to be "reassembled", to a degree.
And a nice coincidence that Undermountain is like one big ass puzzle.
Perhaps they will come up with pacts allowing warlocks to draw power from primordials. Then the sleeping primordials can carry on their war with the gods via proxy: warlocks vs. clerics. Until finally, a sleeping primordial awakens and all hell breaks loose.
The what will that mean for those in the Promenade near Skullport?
The what will that mean for those in the Promenade near Skullport?
Skullport was smoked. Best git a bit angrier.
Well, an entity doesn't have to be complete to become a vestige. Having Hallaster's vestige being a tattered shred of his greater consciousness has merit.
-The left foot of Halaster...The appendix of Halaster...The earlobe of Halaster...
-The left foot of Halaster...The appendix of Halaster...The earlobe of Halaster...
Ha! I meant more along the lines of fractions of his soul (then you probably knew that), but that works too. Its actually a rather nifty idea.
Perhaps they will come up with pacts allowing warlocks to draw power from primordials. Then the sleeping primordials can carry on their war with the gods via proxy: warlocks vs. clerics. Until finally, a sleeping primordial awakens and all hell breaks loose.
There is supposed to be a primal power source in PH2 (Druid and Barbarians), IIRC. So there may be a way to do what you are saying.
Ha! I meant more along the lines of fractions of his soul (then you probably knew that), but that works too. Its actually a rather nifty idea.
-Nifty? Uh oh...
-The left foot of Halaster...The appendix of Halaster...The earlobe of Halaster...
I'm keeping Halaster's spleen in a jar. I'm sure it'll come in handy one day! :D
Skullport was smoked. Best git a bit angrier.
And apparently, the Promenade is no longer in operation either.
I'm keeping Halaster's spleen in a jar. I'm sure it'll come in handy one day! :D
-A spell component.
And apparently, the Promenade is no longer in operation either.
Thus, my point.
Besides, had they kept any of the nitty-gritty of what was being operated under Waterdeep, Luskan couldn't be that true pit of hopelessness they were looking for.
-A spell component.
Or a tasty snack.
Or a tasty snack.
Bah! You're not getting any of Halaster's spleen! Last time you were over you "accidentally" ate Tyr's liver and drank up all the good Chianti.
Do you know how hard it was getting that chunk of liver?
Bah! You're not getting any of Halaster's spleen! Last time you were over you "accidentally" ate Tyr's liver and drank up all the good Chianti.
Do you know how hard it was getting that chunk of liver?
You make me sound like Jeffrey Dahmer or something.
Its not my fault the ritual failed to transfer his power onto me. If I hadn't misinterpreted that line, "a duke that's bled" into "a Dookie that's fed," I would have been gold.
I mean, chicks dig power. I was only trying to do it for you.
Its not my fault the ritual failed to transfer his power onto me. If I hadn't misinterpreted that line, "a duke that's bled" into "a Dookie that's fed," I would have been gold.
I mean, chicks dig power. I was only trying to do it for you.
I... the... awwww! Mon doudou, that's so sweet! Next time just focus on expensive jewelry and furs. Deific power is so unstable these days, but wealth lasts through editions. It's true. :D
;)
I... the... awwww! Mon doudou, that's so sweet! Next time just focus on expensive jewelry and furs. Deific power is so unstable these days, but wealth lasts through editions. It's true. :D
Not my wealth if I'm spoiling you, ya money grubber. I'd rather be spoon fed spleens all day.
-Right, right, right...Back to Halaster and his misfortune of being blown to bits.
His "misfortune?" The guy was so powerful and fragmented in mind to begin with that even he should have figured out his soul was going to crack on death.
His "misfortune?" The guy was so powerful and fragmented in mind to begin with that even he should have figured out his soul was going to crack on death.
-He was sane at that point. Or, relatively sane. That's certainly a relative thing, sanity.
Not my wealth if I'm spoiling you, ya money grubber. I'd rather be spoon fed spleens all day.
**bats eyes seductively and leans in, showing her ample and perky cleavage**
Mon doudou... buy me something pretty, will you? :D
-He was sane at that point. Or, relatively sane. That's certainly a relative thing, sanity.
So true. It was a rather sad end for him. I do think it would be interesting if someone found enough of him for a resurrection spell.
So true. It was a rather sad end for him. I do think it would be interesting if someone found enough of him for a resurrection spell.
-I'm sure this'll be the focus of many campaigns. I don't think anything will become of it in the canon, however.
Bah! You're not getting any of Halaster's spleen! Last time you were over you "accidentally" ate Tyr's liver and drank up all the good Chianti.
Do you know how hard it was getting that chunk of liver?
What, no Fava beans?
What, no Fava beans?
Dookie doesn't go for Fava beans. I think he slathered it in cheap salsa.
**bats eyes seductively and leans in, showing her ample and perky cleavage**
Mon doudou... buy me something pretty, will you? :D
Prettiest thing I could find on short notice:
-He was sane at that point. Or, relatively sane. That's certainly a relative thing, sanity.
What, ‘cause of Mystra?
Dookie doesn't go for Fava beans. I think he slathered it in cheap salsa.
Bejebuz Holy Water!!! Holy Water!!!
You call his spicy, zesty funk cheap again, so help me…I’ll…I'll...fart or something.
Prettiest thing I could find on short notice:
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You call his spicy, zesty funk cheap again, so help me…I’ll…I'll...fart or something.
Okay, that's it... no more sugary candy for you tonight, mister!
Now, back to the discussion at hand...
*ahem*
Halaster!
Okay, that's it... no more sugary candy for you tonight, mister!
Whatever, toots. Mixing spleen munching and cleavage staring isn't the best combo anyway. Think there is something wrong with it.
I am surprised that with the number of clones and duplicates of himself that he made, that he didn't survive the spellplague, especially if he knew it was coming. If I were in that circumstance I would have put a stasis clone on a completely different world (say Greyhawk) in order to ensure my survival, and we know Halaster had access to other worlds, given the number of gates he created.
Well, that's the "problem"/"bonus" with the new Realms, isn't it?
I am surprised that with the number of clones and duplicates of himself that he made, that he didn't survive the spellplague, especially if he knew it was coming.
-If I'm not mistaken, it was in his preparations for the coming Spellplague that is what caused his soul to shatter. He could have, in theory, been working on just this when he messed up his preparations, and he had his soul shattered. The text doesn't go into the specifics.
-If I'm not mistaken, it was in his preparations for the coming Spellplague that is what caused his soul to shatter. He could have, in theory, been working on just this when he messed up his preparations, and he had his soul shattered. The text doesn't go into the specifics.
The issue I would have with the "soul shattering" is how big is a soul? How big is a soul fragment? Manshoon was able to inhabit several clones at once, so it does not necessarily follow that a whole single soul would be necessary to animate a clone. And if Halaster's soul fragmented, than any of those fragments should be able to power a clone. So I have to believe that either Halaster chose to accept his death, or he is alive and just not hanging around his old digs.
The issue I would have with the "soul shattering" is how big is a soul? How big is a soul fragment?
-Being metaphysical entities, they have no size.
Manshoon was able to inhabit several clones at once, so it does not necessarily follow that a whole single soul would be necessary to animate a clone. And if Halaster's soul fragmented, than any of those fragments should be able to power a clone. So I have to believe that either Halaster chose to accept his death, or he is alive and just not hanging around his old digs.
-The difference between the two is that Manshoon's soul did not "shatter" before his death, whereas Halaster's did. Being as that, as far as we know, Manshoon had clones, whereas Halaster did not, this is important, and is the reason why Halaster's clones, if any exist, did not activate.
-The difference between the two is that Manshoon's soul did not "shatter" before his death, whereas Halaster's did. Being as that, as far as we know, Manshoon had clones, whereas Halaster did not, this is important, and is the reason why Halaster's clones, if any exist, did not activate.
Even without clones, he was fond of illusionary doubles. And, much like he, you never knew how these "others" would approach you.
Speaks to me of his mind. And, as is the state of the mind, the soul shall follow. Fragmented. Conflicted. Willful.
Tomorrow he's having afternoon tea with Elminster so that they can decide what to do with that silly Szass Tam.
In the Silverfall he was freed from the touch of Shar, in Elminster In Hell, he is cured of his insanity and made a chosen.
Actually, he was not made a Chosen of Mystra, and Ed Greenwood has confirmed this.
Actually, he was not made a Chosen of Mystra, and Ed Greenwood has confirmed this.
Did I not hear somewhere that he was a "fallen" Chosen? Seems faint on the memory, but there.
I believe that 'fallen' thing was mentioned in Silverfall also. How Silverfall and Elminster in Hell relate chronologically, I have no idea. Speaking of Silverfall, I think I read one of the 7 sisters is alive in the Dales but I can't remember which or where I read it.
The Simbul. Apparently taking care of El' in secret.
Did I not hear somewhere that he was a "fallen" Chosen? Seems faint on the memory, but there.
-Sammaster, the leader of the Cult of the Dragon, was a "Fallen" Chosen.