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| #1JorunhastJun 30, 2010 11:34:46 | Alrighty... this is an odd question, but I've read the Code of the Harpers and many of the Harper novels, and I guess I've always assumed (or maybe read somewhere) that the Harper Pin was a tiny brooch in the shape of a harp. Maybe something like this: But I can't find a single place online or in Code of the Harpers that actually says what it really looks like, other than it's small enough to fit under the inside folds of a lady's gloves (if a female harper doesn't want to wear it openly). So is there any place that describes the Harper Pin in detail? Are they all the same, or do they differ in appearance? Maybe it looks more like a lyre, as those are popular harps for bards in the Realms? Gah! Maybe they're described in a novel, and I just can't remember which one? Or do most people assume they're tiny silver harps? It's seriously bugging me that I can't find a description, lol! |
| #2KaganfindelJun 30, 2010 11:50:13 | I think it'd be safe to assume that a Harper pin is a pin with the Harpers' symbol on it (a circular device with stars at 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock, around a crescent moon, around a harp). Since the individual members of the organization don't know all the other members, it'd have to be fairly standardized to be useful, otherwise anyone with access to a silversmith could pass themselves off as an agent. |
| #3JorunhastJun 30, 2010 12:14:22 | I think it'd be safe to assume that a Harper pin is a pin with the Harpers' symbol on it (a circular device with stars at 12,3,6 and 9 o'clock, around a crescent moon, around a harp). Since the individual members of the organization don't know all the other members, it'd have to be fairly standardized to be useful, otherwise anyone with access to a silversmith could pass themselves off as an agent I think you mean like this: ![]() And definitely that's possible... I just wish I had a reference for sure. In Code of the Harpers, they detail a spell that causes the harper pin to grow into a life-sized playable harp... I guess that's what's leading me down the path of thinking it looks more like a tiny harp. But for sure it could be their main symbol as above. |
| #4The_SilverswordJun 30, 2010 12:27:19 | Yeah, ive always viewed the pin as being the symbol, but I dont think it says that any where, so its possible that its a mini harp. Its also possible, and even likely, that pins can vary from Harper to Harper, some may use a harp, others might use a symbol, some might use a more archaic version of the symbol that been passed down for generations or something like that. Ed has answered some questions regarding Harper pins over at Candlekeep: * "Is there any set size for one? I'm guessing that it's small, but how small exactly?" I'd say "usual size" rather than "set size" (there are a few exceptions, mainly tiny "charms" worn on anklets and other fine chains or as earring pendants by ladies, that serve for Harper recognition and have a few limited powers [can be magically traced by other Harpers, cover wearer entirely with a magical aura that makes all of them seem magical, and foils alignment- reading and all surface-thought-reading attempts] rather than the usual range. Most Harper pins are about two inches across, though there are also a few larger "show" pins, up to twice that size. * "Are there any protections against it being discovered from a 'pat-down', or is it up to the agent to make sure its kept very well hidden?" Most pins can be touched and a word spoken, to make them seem (to everyone not employing magically-augmented, illusion-piercing vision, except the person activating this power, who sees the pin as a "glowing Harper pin") like a set "other thing" (usually an old, slightly shabby brooch, usually with a flower or butterfly motif; in other words, an obviously "family heirloom" piece rather than something worth stealing for its intrinsic gem or metal value; some pins resemble battered personal holy symbols). This illusion lasts until the activator de-activates it again (or anyone else who knows the right word does so, by touch and speech), but doesn't fool the fingers of anyone. Yes, Harpers usually keep pins hidden rather than displaying them disguised, except in Berdusk or at Storm's farmhouse or "open Harper functions." A pat-down will discover them, so bearers fearing discovery will hide their pins somewhere (not on their persons), or if they have long hair work the pins deep into hair above the back of their necks, or if female and well-endowed will slip them up and under the curve of their breasts, or if fat will ditto with belly overhangs, or even wrap them against pain and slip them into body cavities. * "Are there stacks of them in safekeeping somewhere, or do they only get made for when a new member is joining the Harpers?" There aren't "stacks," no, but there are caches of pins ready for new Harpers. If love or deep regard or friendship is involved between an existing Harper and a new one, the veteran Harper may well help make a pin for the new one. Pins with a large range of powers do of course require magically-gifted crafters of sufficient levels. * "Do they even get passed down through the generations, from Harper to Harper?" Yes, many Harper pins get passed down, their powers sometimes decaying over time or being augmented or altered by various owners. There are even "haunted" Harper pins that bear the whispering or mind-speaking sentiences of former Harper bearers, that communicate with later wearers. |
| #5JorunhastJun 30, 2010 13:11:10 | Ah, interesting! Thanks Silversword, I didn't see that over at Candlekeep. |
| #6StiggerJun 30, 2010 15:51:04 | I always assumed each was at least a little unique, since I just can't bring myself to equate mass production (even in the limited sense that has in the Realms) with enchantment-grade items. I usually envisioned them like the pin-image you posted there Jorunhast. |
| #7JorunhastJun 30, 2010 17:53:30 | I always assumed each was at least a little unique, since I just can't bring myself to equate mass production (even in the limited sense that has in the Realms) with enchantment-grade items. I usually envisioned them like the pin-image you posted there Jorunhast. I've always liked the idea that it's a miniature harp. Just wish I could know for sure. |
| #8The_SilverswordJul 01, 2010 2:04:01 | Ah, interesting! Thanks Silversword, I didn't see that over at Candlekeep. No prob. Ive been workin my way through the ask Ed scrolls, I just recently came across that little tidbit about the pins, so Id thought Id share it, cause thats just the kinda guy I am. |
| #9StiggerJul 01, 2010 6:45:52 | Having read through a few sourcebooks, I kinda doubt there is a standard appearance, given the various supply sources they have. Some might look like a miniature harp, others might be more like the symbol-bearing badge, others could look like a cloak pin with miniature harps engraved on the inner surface. Probably depends on where they were made, and when, more than anything else. I'd guess that Berdusk probably had a much more standardized approach, but that's as far as I'd go with there being an official look to them. |
| #10faraerJul 03, 2010 10:42:23 | Harper pins appear and are described quite a few times in Ed's novels. For instance:"When you see the device of a silver moon and a silver harp, you face a Harper." So sometimes a moon and harp, sometimes a harp. |
| #11JorunhastJul 03, 2010 10:50:24 | Harper pins appear and are described quite a few times in Ed's novels. For instance:"When you see the device of a silver moon and a silver harp, you face a Harper." Awesome, thanks! =) |
| #12salaniMar 17, 2011 14:03:38 | I know this is an old thread but the answer always bugged me because it did not sound right. From Azure Bonds, and FR7 Hall of Heroes under Olive Ruskettle "In addition to a number of wonderful songs and a wealth of material for new tales, Olive gained another very special gift from her adventures with Alias. Because the halfling helped to rescue the Nameless Bard from Cassanas dungeon, the true bard, a Harper, gave Olive his small, silver harp and crescent moon pin, the symbol of the Harpers." Without the moon, it is just a harp, not a harper. (imho) |